The 88 problem

19th century: Europe rules the world, white man ascendant, huge colonial empires, mostly peace and prosperity in Europe.
1870s-1945: Germany tries to become a great power. Various chimpouts. Two world wars.
After 1945: half of Europe controlled by Soviets, colonial empires gone, millions of white people dead, white nationalism linked in public mind with collectivist totalitarianism and angry shouting autists with weird hairstyles.
2017: neo-Nazis claim that you can't be a white nationalist unless you support Nazis.

WHAT THE FUCK

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fags like you who are scared to own up to what you believe in are only making this worse.

Who's scared to own up to what they believe? I like white people and want to protect their future, I just don't like fucking Nazis.

Hitler was a failure.

>Master race.
>Blame Jews for losing WW1.
>Take power again.
>Can't kill all the Jews. Waste huge amount of resources trying to.
>Can't even beat England.
>Lose in Africa
>Can't even control italy. swapsides.gif
>Proceed to lose rest of Italy
>Have to build submarines because the surface navy is non-existent.
>Millions of master race encircled & killed by Soviets
>Western front armies scattered to the wind by America.
>Master race leader kills himself.
>Now represented by inbred country hicks and fat internet losers.

The Master Race.

You can go full 14 without any belief in 88.
But everyone will call you 88.
You will never lose 88.
14 is 88.

Finally someone that shares my sentiments. I'm glad I'm not alone in liking being white and liking white people but hate nazis and anyone that sucks hitlers dick.

Yeah, they also sent Lenin to Russia in order to try to damage the Russian war effort, then after the war they tried to scare everybody by talking about the Bolshevik menace. Fuckin a.

THIS

I've had people call me 88 before for saying that it made sense for whites to consider their future in a world that's increasingly non-white. It's ok, though, I don't care if people call me 88. What matters to me is that I don't think the Nazis had the right idea or the right methods.

14 automatically leads to 88.

If you think you can play by democratic rules and save this for us you are delusional or your faith is not strong enough.

You like authoritarianism but let me guess, you probably complain in other threads about how your government makes it illegal to discuss certain things. If the Nazis were in charge, there would be a lot more things it would be illegal to discuss. This site wouldn't exist, even though there are so many Nazis here. The Nazis would still consider it too much like free-thinking. Half your friends would probably get bullets in the back of the head.
14 without 88 doesn't necessarily mean always being idealistic at the cost of pragmatism. It just means not being a Nazi and more generally, not valuing collectivist totalitarianism.

>not realizing that a lot of NatSocs were libertarian before like me
>not realizing that there is an ideological bridge
>not realizing that your little freedums are not as important as continuing to exist
>not realizing that being NatSoc does not mean to re-LARP 33-45
>thinking you know what "the nazis" think

Which Nazis? Me?

Libertarianism allowed the US to become corrupted by jews and to become 56% white.

Everyone is part of a collective by birth. Straight European men. You are (I suppose) part of this one. There wont be freedom for you if that collective is exterminated.

Hitler was the worst of the 20th century fascists anyways, Franco was relativity successful and even mussolini probably would have had lingered on if he hadn't chosen the wrong side.

Yes. I mean just look at Spain now. Free from degeneracy and leftism and jewish influence.

Not attacking the eternal enemy is the true redpill amirite, Chaim?

Yeah, spain isn't even close to your shithole, france or britain.

You know why that is? Because their economy sucks because leftist have ruined it already.

You are not even able to see the big picture.

The jews were around even before liberalism doing their dirty tricks. Liberalism/libertarianism isnt key to jewish control, communism was and now zionism and (((victim))) hood is.

>oy vey goyim it's not ((((((((us)))))))) at fault for your destruction, it's those ebil nadzees that ((((((((we)))))))) violently suppressed
>don't pay attention to the (((kalergi))), (((hooton))) or (((morgenthau))) plans goy, only the germans are at fault for their annihilation
Fucking cuckchan, I swear.

No but Libertarianism can't defent against jewish infiltration. Since that requires collectivism.

If an ideology requires faith to follow it, it will be probably based on false pretenses.

Oh please, as if you've tried every peaceful option and were forced to turn to espousing violent totalitarianism by necessity. Don't give me that bullshit.
Also, zero NatSocs were ever libertarian. There were, however, a bunch of people who, obviously, never really understood libertarianism and were Nazi all along. Then when they came across someone who articulated their true feelings, they realized that they were Nazis and not libertarians.

Or simply intelligence. You're basically saying "several hundred million white people are too stupid to resist the desires of 15 million Jews without turning into collectivists in order to do it".

So you are an atheist?

>>Oh please, as if you've tried every peaceful option and were forced to turn to espousing violent totalitarianism by necessity. Don't give me that bullshit.

>Jewish-bolshevist terror didnt exist
>bolshevist superstate building up next to you didnt exist
>government and judges/lawyers werent filled with jews
>media is not in jewish hands
>implying an enemy whose goal is to make you disappear will treat you fairly

you know what I am getting from you? That we should not attack the jews. You know who would say that? x)

>>Also, zero NatSocs were ever libertaria

>let me tell you about your life

"Lmao a 190 pund, 6'5" guy cant even resist an bacterial infect? Haha don't take that anti-biotics haha lel"

History has shown us that free press, capitalist society and democracy are dangerous tools against white people by the hands of Jews. You're not "turning into" collectivists, it's not a disease, you're just organizing in a way in which you are much less vulnerable to subversion and degeneration.

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Free press, capitalist society, and democracy are some of white people's greatest achievements. I think there are ways to succeed and protect white people that don't involve turning back into animals.

>press is free when its owned to 90% by one international clique
>j-just dont attack u.. the jews, you are civilized right haha? Maybe you could do a protest or something just dont be antisemitic :)


Too obvious you dirty rat

There is no denying that external forces are working against white people

Free press doesn't mean every race gets a proportional level of ownership of media companies. It means the government won't try to stop you from saying whatever you want to say. I know in Germany you don't have perfect free speech. I wish it was different and the laws against supporting Nazism were repealed. However, in the US I do have virtually total free speech. Not consequence-free speech, but that's a different matter.

I don't think you can consistently believe 14 without 88 honestly.

If you believe whites as a group have rights and don't merely exist to be bossed around and bullied by the globalist establishment then you necessarily believe the same thing about particular groups of whites, like Germans.

Honestly the only way you can believe 14 without 88 is if you buy into retarded easily disproven myths like "Hitler started WW2" or "the holocaust happened." Hitler was a man of peace.

>Free press
read: kikes own the newspapers
>capitalist society
read: kikes own the shekels
>democracy
read: kikes own the politicians

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Yes, extermination of all non white elements in white nations. But as long as there are minorities in your nations, you aren't safe in the long run - those systems are very comfortable to co opt and poison, just like is happening today - a jew media that attacks unity in order to protect the minority, that divides in order to control the flow of democracy, and so on.
Extermination is not inhumane. I am not a monster for poisoning the cockroaches and rats in my apartment, I do it out of necessity and for the well being of my family. It's all pretty simple and most importantly there is no other way.

Your free speech is a fig leaf. Do you think jews are stupid? Free speech means nothing when you control all of the media and publications but they knew if they were pushing too hard on this issue they might wake up some goyim so they rather strangle the American nation by slowly changing the demographics and then they will take it away.
Which again demonstrates how utterly useless and dangerous democracy is in regards to defending Europeans.

I do not agree with national socialists on much
Though George Lincoln Rockwell was a great speaker as was uncle a.
But I also won't counter signal against anyone who is to my right.
Not goin to happen

You seem to have an extremely low opinion of whites to think that 5 million Jews control 200 million whites. That's practically like "British in 19th century India" population disparity, and without a technological advantage even.

hmm

How totalitarian do you want your society to be? Are you gonna start policing free speech? Put cameras in people's bedrooms? What are we getting at here? Because if that's the case then I'd rather not save the white race.

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70 years of hard work, demonizing white self determination through nazism, shutting down any criticism via guilt and growing generations upon generations of self hating whites to put sticks in their own wheels. Nothing surprising about this, just a successful psy war that could have been easily avoided with a little lynching and a lot of segregation.

So my two options here are death and slavery? I'll choose death, thank you very much.

The one thing that the retards on this board don't understand is that you very seldom get NEW ideas. You get the same old ideas coming up again and again, but "baptised" in New language. So, for example, Marxism is alive and kicking. But now, it goes by names like "social justice" and "universal basic income." Only the stupidest and most autistic people still argue for "communism" and the "workers of the world."

That's what you have here... instead of being smart enough to "baptise" white supremacy in new language and to "rebrand" it, you have these knuckle-dragging idiots waving swastika flags and "heiling" a guy who has been dead for half a century.

You're talking out of your ass. That user said nothing about fucking cameras in bedrooms. Just keep your dumb mouth shut when you have no idea what you're talking about.

>19th century
>mostly peace and prosperity.
wew lad

>How totalitarian do you want your society to be?

You do realize that we undertake this measures out of necessity and now because we ware the cartoon villains from your propaganda movies, dont you?

>Are you gonna start policing free speech?

Yes.

> Put cameras in people's bedrooms?

No.

> What are we getting at here?

Exterminating any subversive and enemy element withing society that is dangerous enough to endanger us as a whole. Punishing traitors for what they have done.
Securing our nations till we have recovered demographically and spiritually and we can be more lenient again.

>Because if that's the case then I'd rather not save the white race.

Wenn than look forward to having as many rights as white Rhodesians.

Kys goy

Well, when you support NatSoc, you support a regime that literally murdered people for being political opponents, for being former allies who were no longer convenient, for being mentally ill, for trying to resist their nation being invaded, and so on. I'd say that if they did that, they'd probably have no issue with putting a camera in your bathroom, either.

>freedom means what degenerate choices I can make today and how reckless I can behave
>I hate long term thinking as well
> I would rather fight people who want to supress the enemies of my own people just to keep a system where I get fired for speaking in support of my people

Your brain on lolbertarianism: the post

getting chills looking at this pic and realizing this shit is actually starting to go down.

Is there slavery in having a responsibility to your mother and father, for example? How about your brothers and sisters? Grandparents? You didn't choose any of them.
The European peoples are an extended part of your family, they are your cultural and biological kin, whether you like it or not. If you'd rather die than to fulfill your responsibilities towards keeping your own family safe and assuring it's future is secure, you deserve to.

Holy shit, are you bluepilled. Jewish control is a fact, it's not even an issue of superiority and inferiority. A minority of Jews can control whites because there is no collective identity that holds whites together and strong against the usurious Jewish spirit, because they've suppressed it from their consciousness through white guilt and muh six gorillion. Hitler could easily cleanse his country of Jewish influence because of the awareness of his people, but the eternal Jew still violently suppressed the Third Reich from outside.

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And yet you're choosing slavery to kikes.

>muh Utopian society can only be achieved through genocide, so it's totally worth every drop of blood
Fuck off Jew, your Utopia will crumble eventually no matter how perfect it is on paper.

No they aren't. The world has gone to shit since the enlightenment.

>There's no way to protect the white race without becoming a sociopath.
>Whites are so weak that they are in danger of extinction at the hands of 15 million Jews and the only way to stop this is to worship a dead autist with a bad haircut.
Your brain on Nazism

*not instead of now

*well indstead of Wenn

I feel responsibility for my mother and father because I've known them all my life and feel a personal attachment to them. I feel no responsibility towards someone I never met and have no personal attachment to. Boogie2988 can go to hell, I ain't paying for his healthcare even if he's my fellow European.

>Well, when you support NatSoc, you support a regime that literally murdered people for being political opponents, for being former allies who were no longer convenient, for being mentally ill, for trying to resist their nation being invaded, and so on.

Yeah and don't forget the sixty million Jewish children personally slain by Hitler wielding a machete.

Not only would they put cameras in your bedroom, they'd probably install explosive collars around your neck. Those mean old evil Nazis!

Somebody should have told Hitler that before he murdered millions of Europeans.

All the things I wrote about actually happened. Are you seriously going to dispute that the Nazis murdered people for being political opponents, for being former allies who were no longer convenient, for being mentally ill, for trying to resist their nation being invaded, and so on?

The Jews are already collected. If we aren't well just be played against each other. Organized always beats organized.

I'm glad that you're amused mate. OK, so banishment if extermination hurts your feelings. Without hegemony you are not a nation, just a territory with arbitrary culture and traditions that will die and be replaced with a couple dozen years. It's not utopia, it's the literal minimum standard, and every nation follows it except for white ones.

Nice strawman brainlet.

>Hitler
It's spelled A-l-l-i-e-s

Of course it is. It is inevitable. It is victory or death as it has always been. Europe and the US will look like Rhodesia with more ethnicites involved, the world will turn dark and we will be forgotten. No save game, no respawn. That is if we remain silent.

>calling others jews to distract form your own jewishness

absolutely jewish

>treating unequals unequal is sociapathy
>acknowledging nature is sociapathy
>whites are weak whites are bad. What? Whites want to be strong and fight the attacker? Dont do that whites.

If you attempt to troll you should at least understand the subjects you are trolling on

This I really hope the degenerate neo-nazis fuck off or realize they need to clean and shape up.

Defending your nation when other nations declare war on you is not murder.

>implying milquetoast faggots have any control over natsocs

>gnadzees were sociopaths goy
Do you get all your opinions about national socialism from wartime Disney cartoons?

He wouldn't grow fat in the first place in a national socialist society. He's a necessary consequence of capitalism and its individualistic, solipsistic, materialistic hedonism.

Extermination literally means banishment by the way. ex-terminus = out-boundary. It's another kike word game.

How many fucking Nazi photos do you have saved on your computer you goddamn autist?

Also, have fun trying to win over the support of the people when you're dragging them into the street for suspected treason over a joke they made online. You're gonna have an uprising unless you go full Commie and start taking away people's gun rights, thereby turning the people into slaves. The white race will starve to death at the hands of the 1% instead of being saved.

OP is right

You are probably using a proxy; if not are you a Zionist or a Palestinian?

>calling others jews to distract form your own jewishness
Nigger look at his flag.

>You can go full 14 without any belief in 88.
you can be full 14 without knowing who Hitler or what National Socialism was

>Someone called me a faggot, might as well start sucking cock.

This is what you sound like.

How do any of you think we ended up in this position in the first place?

Throughout history Europeans have bled and died for you as well as for that fat ass youtuber, and you both have a responsibility to your blood. I really do feel bad for you if you think this is slavery, and modern society is not.

Yeah, the Allies killed millions of Europeans. Are you going to argue that Hitler didn't?
Treating a man as unequal to me isn't sociopathy
Killing the man because I am so convinced of the accuracy of my political and historical theories that I abandon human decency is sociopathy.
Besides, if the Jews really are as powerful as Nazis think they are, then I guess the inequality points in the favor of the Jews.

>tfw leftypol tries to LARP as a lolbert but does a horrible job

You have been found out

>Defending your nation when other nations declare war on you for attacking a nation they have made a military pact with
You forgot a part

I would rather be speaking german now, than speak Arabic in 30 years

Even aside from the Boogie example, there are some whites I fucking despise. The white race isn't infallible, there's gonna be shitty people in every faction. And letting yourself be forced to prop up someone you can't stand is ultimate cuckoldry.

bullshit dude,

I'm not saying NS is 100% uber wrong but OP is dead fucking right

>a military pact that was made last minute
you forgot a part

>ad-hominem instead of providing a counterargument
checks out

Whatever, no murder is required, although I do think that it'd be better to get it over with.
"Zionist" by necessity, because I'm a citizen and I want myself and my loved ones to survive, but in reality I dislike both sides. False dichotomy and whatnot

Adolph Hitler directly caused the war that led to the highest white death toll in history.

>after Germany had swallowed Czechoslovakia against most of its people's wishes, all while complaining about the supposed wishes of ethnic Germans
you forgot another part

That's the literal definition of cucking. I don't care though, you people don't deserve to be saved.

>moving the goal posts

This "responsibility" you're trying to sell to me seems like a totally arbitrary thing that nobody would've felt before coming to a place like this. Most people don't feel indebted to people they've never met or had no relation to. Your arguments are bullshit.

No I actually didn't forget a part at all. I could debate you at length about the injustice of the war against Germany by UK and France but it will suffice to say that war is not murder. Germany is not responsible for the foolish and unjust guarantees the Allies made which led to countless deaths.

I'm going to argue that Hitler wasn't the one who dragged the war to be WW2. You're saying it as if he just decided to kill euros, while in reality it was just some border dispute with Poland, more or less.

Sure m8

Interesting how being confronted with harsh reality brings you towards NatSoc, isn't it?

Counter arguments require argument to be made in the first place

That was not even the plan. We never planned to "conquer the world and force everybody to speak German and Heil Hitler 20 times a day" this is a cartoonish meme right out of allied Propaganda.

We would have something like a protectionist EU with a NatSoc Germany united with Flanders, Netherlands, Austria, and maybe the nordic countries being the dominant power but no degeneracy and replacement. That was the plan basically.

The US, if it stayed out of the war, would have remained completely unharmed and so would Britain. Same goes for France if they didnt declare war.

>Self defense is sociapathy
>goy stop relying on your natural instincts

You may stop now

I'm white as snow, and my natural instincts are obviously rather different from yours.

If you think that you can build your desired society with non whites, you are an idiot, plain and simple. It wouldn't be the first time that tribalism takes over for the sake of self preservation, and I believe you'll stand by your racial kin when the time comes.

No joke, it really is.

Dat Reddit style double line spacing... Could you make it anymore obvious?

>I-Im white! Now let me continue counter signaling the survival of Europeans

A lack of realism is prevalent in our current societies. Also making the exception the rule and so on. I think a hard reset will come