How Can We Begin Rebuilding?

Many here feel demoralized by Saturday's events, but I believe that this is is only a battle we've lost - not the war. With time, we will recover, but we need to take active steps now; let this defeat serve as a lesson to us.

Let us discuss ideas for how we can begin rebuilding, and more importantly, for how we can protect ourselves against defeats like this in the future. I'll try to get the ball rolling:


Our oppositions - Antifa, BLM etc. - do not have their shit together. The media is on their side, true, but they're completely reckless, erratic and unorganized in their actions. For the most part, they're just thugs who like running around and opportunistically smashing things or throwing tear gas. They could not plan a structured, collaborated effort for their life. This is where we can differ. We can enforce structure, organization and discipline within our groups.

Furthermore, if we hope to bring people to our side, which we undoubtedly need, we cannot appear to be extremist fanatics. When your moderate or cuckservative friend sees people on his Normiebook timeline posting images from the rally of alt-righters carrying Nazi flags like in pic related, do you think he pauses to consider if they're doing it ironically or if those goys are just the most extreme participants and not necessarily representative of the whole movement? Do you think he takes a break to investigate our actual talking points? No, he begins associating us with fringe groups like the neo-Nazis or the KKK, and thinks to himself, "oh how horrible it is that such groups are still allowed to exist in the current year!" We'll need to adopt different strategies if we hope to encourage people towards our side.

Some suggestions:

> Ban dressing in Nazi regalia or engaging in Nazi conduct (saluting, shouting "blood and soil"). I'm not talking about Sup Forums, or any internet refuge, for that matter. I'm talking about public events, such as yesterday's rally. We can't afford bad PR.

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twitter.com/AnonBabble

Another suggestion:

> Replace torches with candles.

You'll never defeat Antifa.

You are fighting a battle that is on a cosmic level. The Kali Yuga. If you choose to fight you have to remember that there is no end goal in sight, only a push and pull.

We don't lose the war if you take the lesson that civic nationalism > nazi larping. Put the Swastika away and take the real redpill.

Bury your power level deep down, it does you credit but it can be made to serve Soros.

pissing in an ocean of piss

I say we encourage each faction to go all out. BLM, Antics, etc. and see who is the last one standing.

Is it unreasonable to say that it's about time to ditch the swastika as far as imagery is concerned?

Or are orderly flag patterns inherently fascistic?

Pls respond.

The concern trolling is real.

I say we kill all blacks, indians and white people including Argentinians and Chileans.

>we christ fags now
no

It would help our optics.

Noone here has been defeated and i don't feel demoralized, stop trying to speak on our behalf.

Also, alt-right is not Sup Forums.

this is all very counter productive, antifa was doing all the damage to their reputation by constantly raiding neighborhoods and acting like thugs,

the right looked like the most civilised and realistic. the second stormfront got involved people instantly associate it with the kkk and nazi's and now they have the ammo. we don't need to protest what we need is to continue to win the hearts of the people through argumentation online. the second you start waving nazi flags you lose the public image. we aren't supposed to act like (((them))) we are supposed to act better than them, because thats how we were winning the public over, and getting them to reconize the evil of the regressive left and the damage its done to society and our communities. we must seperate ourselves from stormfront.

America is not Europe ethnic nationalism can't work here.

tl;dr. I'm not demoralized over a false flag.

We all need to unite against the real Enemy.. Canada!

> you still want to hide your power level
The events that took place clearly in my eyes show a false flag. The left and the swamp want to keep the people as there slaves so they made the right look bad by running some Comie fags over. Well id rather not take this and slide. I honestly want to revel the truth of the events at unite the right rally and use it as blackmail or red pill normies.

How about you fucking retards wait and see what happens.

There is no reason to scrap our movement just because some guy ran over some communists.

I haven't lost shit. Maybe you civnat shiteaters.

This event made me happy as a pig in shit.

>kekistani flag
>optics
>ban dressing in Nazi regalia or engaging in Nazi conduct
>We can't afford bad PR

Please just kill yourself promptly. You sound like a shill

I am Sup Forums.
I have autism.
I need systems.
I work well with systems.

I go to rallies.
I wear:
1 pair black pants
1 pair black shoes
1 grey hoodie

These things are cheap and easy to afford.
These things will help me tell us apart.

I never sperg out at rallies.
I always hide my power level.
I always remember how to operate.
I saw the meme for that.

I remember that normies know nothing yet...
I remember what it was like to not know.
I help normies by mentioning American values.
I help normies by mentioning peaceful goals.
I try to not mention white nationalism first.
I try to not chant: "White Lives Matter".
I try to represent my cause tactfully.
I only join movements that I created.

You are a faggot.
You make national socialism look gay.
You drop the JQ like its falling out your ass.
You make me look weak and beta.
You are no better than a shill.
You are a narcissist.
You know nothing yet...

Make a new version of the swastika that doesn't look like at all nazi related.

Autist larpers somehow don't understand that the nazi flag doesn't convince anybody to join them.

>we don't need any pussies anyway heh
They're just deranged and demoralized to the point where they don't really care about the outcome.

>its /leftypol/ tries concern trolling thread #7438
so

fucking

boring

We lost today because of the faggy edge cases we have in the movement. How is 1860s or 1930s politics helpful for us today? Too much hipster LARP.

You can start by actually organizing in person & not posting on /pol like cowards...

the only answer is radical jordan petersonism
youtube.com/watch?v=D3sewd_NPoA

after he completes his website he'll reduce the amount of people entering marxist college courses by 70% and antifa will cease to exist

HOL UP

WE

Kill jews, kill commies. Before thinking about "rebuilding" how about stopping those doing the destruction in the first place?

If you think this whole weekend was good for White Nationalism, you're a fucking moron. There's a huge difference between illumination and spotlighted.

All this accomplished was to bring back bad feelings for almost everybody in the country, and remind them why they hate Nazis.

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FUCKING IDIOTS!
YOU DON'T REBUILD WHAT ISN'T BROKEN.
USE LEFTIST TACTICS. NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE WHITE SUPREMACISTS. NOT ALL PARTICIPANTS WERE THERE TO BE RACIST.

This wasnt a battle or a war... They can false flag every event like this and blame it on us... .. Why would you get demoralized? This didnt hurt the movement this movement was getting hurt since beggining.

What was the whole point of the rally?
Marching around like faggots is pretty gay.

This. Fuck this gay ass thread, REPORT

the way the right wins, is by acting cool and collected. not by rioting. the left look like terrorists to normies, most people freak out thinking "what if antifa starts rioting here, what about our kids". the second we start taking on those tactics they will demonize whites and the right. its only logical to abandon the stormfront attitude for a more reasoned experienced levelheaded movement.

STOP

USING

NAZI

STUFF.

IT'S POISONED IMAGERY. YOU CANNOT USE FUCKING SWASTIKAS AND NOT JUST INSTANTLY BLACKPILL NORMIES AGAINST YOU.

STOP SUCKING HITLERS DICK FOR IDENTITY POLITICS. TAKE HIS MESSAGE, WHAT YOU LEARNED FROM HIM, AND LEAVE HIS IMAGE AND BRANDING BE.

NO

FUCKING

NAZI

SHIT


WHITE SUPREMACY WONT WORK EITHER. YOU NEED THEM TO SWALLOW THE NATIONAL PRIDE PILL FIRST BEFORE RACE WILL NATURALLY FOLLOW SUIT AND PROTECT ITSELF WITHOUT SAYING A WORD.

WHITE WOMEN --WILL--- FUCK ONLY WHITE MEN IN A WORLD WHERE PRIDE OF VALUE IS RETURNED. THE FEW THAT FUCK BLACK PEOPLE, SO WHAT.

YOU BETRAY OUR LOVELY NORMIE PEOPLES WITH YOUR BULLSHIT ABOUT NAZIS, IT WONT WORK, NO MATTER HOW RIGHT HITLER WAS.

HITLER AND NAZISM IS POISONED FOREVER AS IMAGERY. USING IT MAKES YOU PRIME GOYIM WITH A STAR ON YOUR CHEST.

This will be difficult, but I think the best way to get public support is by having conduct that will make us seem like good people. Organize the marches properly so that we look powerful and not a mess. When we get coverage, don't act smug, try to communicate to the common man. That's what has worked and what will work. We need new symbolism, this isn't a 20th century movement like back in the day.

To exercise our 1st amendment right which says we can fly Nazi flags and yell about niggers and jews. Aussie cucks and Europoors will never be able to do this.

They're already demonizing us. The sooner a clear split occurs, the better.

If you want to act cool and collected be my guest. Nobody wants scum like you anyway.

>the second stormfront got involved

What the fuck else do you want then you moron? What are you complaining about? Trump is elected. What movement do you have? "Niggers, would you please kindly go back to Africa. Spics go back too please. Also, all this sexual stuff in the media is really bad and porn is bad for the children. also pedos exist. k thx bai"

Is that it?

Reddit needs to go.

The jews, the pedophile politicians, the spooks, every single one of them are going to die. Nazis or not, psy ops or not etc.

It will be a long uphill battle, but they decided to exterminate us, now they burn.

Shill trying to divide us spotted. Leave the purplepills alone, it takes time to reach full redpill status.

I'm just against the IRL larping. Look at these fags, they look like idiots trotting around in meatspace with their Nazi flags. This is chanology levels of cancer. Be online faggots. Where you cannot be identified, where no one can stop you. Bring down websites, cause internet mayhem, spread memes. This IRL bullshit is some fucking 1800's tactics. We're in the goddamn future fags. We are easier to spot and pidgeon holed when people see you in real life. Spread your message online and avoid communist faggots in real life. The meme game was strong in 2016, and we can do it again. Just stop outing yourself in public.

>Nobody wants scum like you anyway.

The "Nobody" to which you refer is a very very small group of people. That's the entire problem that you don't seem to understand.

>> Ban dressing in Nazi regalia or engaging in Nazi conduct (saluting, shouting "blood and soil"). I'm not talking about Sup Forums, or any internet refuge, for that matter. I'm talking about public events, such as yesterday's rally. We can't afford bad PR


Fuck off shill you're using a kekistani flag you're nothing this isn't your movement you have no right to tell us what to do.

Fuck off.

My four point plan to restructure the alt-right

> Unify the various entities under one bureaucracy

I propose Identity Evropa. I think that Nathan Damigo's conduct at the latest rally proves that he has integrity. He also has close ties with Generation Identity, a group that we need to emulate. All other organizations and ecelebs need to be operating under IE's banner with a centrally-directed and coordinated messaging campaign.

> Emphasize discipline

Reform all fatties and skelletons. Every member of our movement needs to be healthy and strong. People who are not should be barred from membership/rally attendence until they correct their behavior. Peoplewho pose PR challenges (ex. the guys who kept doing roman salutes) or security risks (people overeager to fight, or who talk to the press/police) need to be quickly isolated, sidelined, or (in the case of informers) outright expelled.

> Structure the organization around the nuclear family

In 5 years, bar anyone who is not married with at least one child from taking leadership roles We are badly losing the numbers game and need strong families to serve as the bedrock of our movement: Everyone needs to focus on finding a wife and creating children. This needs to be an essential component of our movement, as important as any rally, speech, or other action.

> Avoid public direct action

It's pretty clear what happened in Cville: The torch-lit march the night before the rally was a huge sucess because police, media, and various useful idiot liberal groups were not prepared for it. It wasn't announced publically, but rather organized through back channels. The next day, the publically anounced rally took place and we got BTFO by more numerous counterprotestors, who had the support of the state.

Everything we do needs to be focused on recruitment and building the human terrain for the next decade's activism.

So? I don't believe in democracy. The cattle will fall in line if enough violence is applied correctly.

The Right has never won with numbers and it never will.

That's not even concern trolling, it's just common sense. Walking in the streets while waving a Nazi flag is not going to make you any friends. Believe it or not, that may upset some people. I like the Trump angle. We just change the system to what we want it, no need to get into specific about what it is doing. If the end result is the same, do the way that gets shit done. Walking around like a Nazi larper accomplishes nothing.

>Wear all white, and maybe some gold, at rallies/protests. It would strike a contrast to antifa, and make observers believe that we are the good guys.
>Convince actual nazis and white supremacists to not fucking tell the whole world about it, and just pretend to be normal free-speech protesters
>If the nazis and white supremacists don't play ball, then we would need to outright vilify them, PUBLICLY. If they show up to a rally or protest, make them leave.
>Publicize antifa and the left's more outrageous behavior. Make sure everyone knows how fucking crazy they're getting.
>Don't defend the Dodge driver, vilify him and distance from him. Believe it or not, defending someone who drives into a crowd of people is not a good look to observers.

>oy vey goyim I'm getting nervous when I see too many fashy goyim in one event go back online where you can't have a real political presence

>The Right has never won with numbers and it never will.
t. leftist shill

You are entirely wrong about that, my commie friend.

When was there rioting? There were a few violent confrontations (mostly instigated by antifa), but rioting? No way.

>Wear all white, and maybe some gold, at rallies/protests. It would strike a contrast to antifa, and make observers believe that we are the good guys.
>Convince actual nazis and white supremacists to not fucking tell the whole world about it, and just pretend to be normal free-speech protesters
>If the nazis and white supremacists don't play ball, then we would need to outright vilify them, PUBLICLY. If they show up to a rally or protest, make them leave.
>Publicize antifa and the left's more outrageous behavior. Make sure everyone knows how fucking crazy they're getting.
>Don't defend the Dodge driver, vilify him and distance from him. Believe it or not, defending someone who drives into a crowd of people is not a good look to observers.

Correct. I don't understand how people don't see the white supremacist and nazis as a liability.

I feel like this was a honeypot. Libs/Leftists are having a field day.

Regalia from the Third Reich is stupid in the United States, and I say this as someone who thinks that Hitler made a lot of good points and would prefer if he had won WWII. Imagery needs to be unique to us and to the 21st century.

I don't understand why people don't make the argument that if whites are so "oppressive" to coloreds, we should live apart from them. Also, at this point, leftists and white liberals that ignore anti-white hatred are just being disingenuous.

Anyway, glad I wasn't there for that shitshow.

Can we get some real torches next time? The tiki torches were a bit embarrassing.

> if enough violence is applied correctly.

It is impossible to apply the correct amount of violence if we are vastly outnumbered and many of our members are horrifically out of shape.

>REPORT
for what? this isn't leddit, all opinions should be allowed here, even the retarded ones

>need to vilify them publicly
Spotted the civnat humanist egalitarian scum.

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LOL, OP thinks Nazis are a "we". Get the fuck out of here. If your 'heritage' makes you better, then fucking prove it. Be better. Accomplish some shit. Stop pretending dirty hippies, shrill lesbians, and poor blacks are holding your ass down.

Fuck you OP, and fuck your stupid fuck friends.

>I believe that this is is only a battle we've lost - not the war.
you can win by making more people aware of the fact that a federally protected legal assembly was declared unlawful by the state before it began, and that the national guard was deployed in a state of emergency to stop it from happening.

freedom of speech has been violated in america.

Yeah words will make the people that want to murder us and our families go away.

Correction: America as a formed nation was an extension of Europe even after gaining independence. Then some asswipes messed with immigration policies too much, claiming it wouldn't be a problem.

>they're completely reckless, erratic and unorganized in their actions

I would not underestimate Antifa's organizational structure. It is very top-down. I work in the advocacy community to advance civil rights and I know some Antifa members by association. I only do this as a part of my job and I'm hoping to find a new one. I'm slowly trying to distance myself from all these people because I (((know))). It is good cover, anyway. I go to social justice meetings meetings and I know how they organize actions. Everything is strictly on a need-to-know basis.

>For the most part, they're just thugs who like running around and opportunistically smashing things or throwing tear gas.

Yes, their tactics are deplorable but they have had many years of experience organizing these things. I would argue that it is actually you who should learn from the other side. Don't let your bias blind you. I'm not sure how Richard Spencer and them are organizing these things. Have you been to a protest and do you know? It may in fact already be as organized as Antifa, etc.

It wasn't a honey pot it was a set up the police lied to the people doing this event and told them they would be protected that wasn't true they were lying and they attacked the people at the rally once they got there.
They are going to be sued like hell.

15% has been enough historically.

I will consider the 'out of shape' shit propaganda until conclusively proven otherwise.

Why don't we replace our pants with skirts while we're at it.

It's so easy to spot the White Supremacist after today. They are an enemy to America

Whoops.

Do you want to steer the country in the right direction or not? You don't win by coming out of the gate with nazi salutes and confederate flags you idiot.

>by having conduct that will make us seem like good people.
Lmao what is this wording? Are you admitting you're not good people and want to trick people into believing you are?

>
THIS THIS

we need to create our own ideologies and rhetoric to wake up normies. Not tainted Hitler symbolism and rhetoric.

We need to stop in fighting. All the different sub groups need to actually unite. I think identity evropa is the best honestly. American vanguard is very aggressive and not what we need right now. Maybe later down the road we can but not now.

I think rallies like this need extreme cohesion and vetting. Don't let these redneck nazi boomers destroy our image.

The end game is to redpill normies slowly. We need to look at our optics from their point of view. Win them over and slowly redpill.

The ole saying about how to boil a frog. You can't throw a frog into boiling water, you instead put em in cold water and slowly turn up the heat.

I would like to see all the e-celebs come to some agreement on common rhetoric and rules.

also no fucking larping.

The leaf has wisdom

This should all be common sense. Fucking retard Nazi larpers holy shit they embarrassing to white people

What we need is more attention from the mainstream audience in order to frame events like this. The Left is framing it as "first blood", when Antifa has be provoking and attacking the right since Trump became President. Use this thread to combat common leftist "arguments"
>This is white terrorism
This was one instance, how can you suddenly be up in arms about "white terrorism" when you've refused to acknowledge Islamic terrorism after Bataclan, the Pulse Night Club, the Rotherham sex gangs, The Cologne Christmas Market rapes, etc.? The difference between this "white terrorism" and Islamic terrorism is that Islamic terrorism is propagated by the ideology that's written down in the Quaran and condoned by Mohammad. This "white terrorism" was the result of two sides gearing to fight, point to me a manifesto that articulates a "white terrorist ideology". Not even Trump condoned the violence.

>Now you know how Muslims feel
False dichotomy. Muslims are united by the Quaran which condones their terrorist acts and has been a reliable source for terrorism since the turn of the century. Can you name other RECENT acts of white terrorism?

>Repealing Obamacare is a violent act
Then what about mass immigration that displaces whites? If violence is going to be interpreted beyond the physical, you do realize that mass immigration of nonwhites would be considered as a violent act against whites?

Feel free to continue.

Don't bother. This movement was a mistake.
It's completely backwards. You don't build strong white people in a shit society. You build a good society and strong white people will return.

> Unify the various entities under one bureaucracy
Not a good idea. We need a big entity, and then smaller ones, which are not publicly linked to the bigger ones.

> Emphasize discipline
Yeah. You also need to put nazi tattoos, or very bad rep people in smaller groups.

> The last 2 points
Yeah.

But more importantly, 2 things to do : 1) change your image and 2) reach to everyone.

Anons what did he mean by this?

>Here in my car
>I feel safest of all
>I can lock all my doors
>It's the only way to live in cars

youtube.com/watch?v=Ldyx3KHOFXw

YES

Good filter moment.

Cucks will leave because MUH NAZIS, everyone else will radicalise more.

10/10 need more of these.

No. Who gives a shit about the country? I just want to live in a society with no degenerates.

maybe rioting was the wrong word, i meant that when we start going around acting like the ss its not going to strike well in the minds of people.

people must accept the truth naturally, and forcing it like this event was supposed to do, only incites violence from the left "see look how evil these white people are" online is where the real battles are being fought not in the streets, win the minds of the public and you win all together. the thing is we are the majority, the left is fringe nonsense to any level headed normie, the way antifa spergs out and feminists freaking out over this made up boogeyman known as patriarchy its insantiy to the average person.

what scares people is hitlers germany. weather he was right or wrong doesn't help the fact that it strikes fear into people and this ISN'T what the right should be trying to do.

Agreed, gay as fuck.

Are you dumb? Do you see Jews marching in the streets holding torches screaming the white man must come to an end? No, because that shit is stupid. You have to be subversive, like we were during the election. Using cointel and meme magic to change the public consciousness. You know what normies saw today in their minds? Literal Nazism resurging in America. And you know what people think about? The Holocaust. Like what's your strategy here Sven? We wave nazi flags and then people start saying "You know what Nazis are not so bad." You are a literal white nigger, let the grown folks figure this out

The Democrats got all of their imagery for 2018 campain commercials this weekend. These Nazi larpers are way too autistic

Funny, i seem to see more far right pedophiles and hear of the horror stories of neo nazis raping kids more offen than ive heard of liberals hurting kids. Anytime i heard of liberals hurting kids is when Sup Forums is involved

>pizza gate
>Pedosexual

false flags that never caught on.

Mean while i know of a lot times where ive seen degenerates pose their child sex doll with nazi shit and i even know of a website that draws loli shit in nazi uniforms.

>Bitches about fake false flagging
>Tries to fake false flag even though far right and neo nazis are the actual known pedophiles

making me think

What the right needs to realize is that antifa has no reputation. Fight on "equal terms" with them, as in lowering ourselves down to their level will only hurt us because the actions of Antifa aren't even reported by the MSM. Notice in this recent event that the MSM makes no mention of Antifa's incendiary presence.

except we dont have a big one. IE is very good at getting their message across.

why exactly are nazi flags bad?
why should our group obey the propoganda laws set by our enemies?
just because so many normies are brainwashed and can't see Hitler as anything other then the worst evalll cuz he tried kicking out the joos and then got attacked by all the international powers? (who's citizenry was pretty split between supporting or disliking Hitler prior to massive propoganda campaigns and forced enscription).

The point is our group shouldn't rely on approval from the establishment (media/politicians) who will always fight against us tooth and nail (see Paul Ryan's recent tweet and even Trump's to a much lesser extent) and same is true for the lefties.
I guess the argument is for more middle ground normies who would maybe come over without the scary Nazi's intimidating them away but I dunno... still seem's we'd be better off acting like Jews who always remain loyal to the tribe, never apologize and don't give a fuck what anyone else thinks if they disagree with them

>he doesnt know that nobody here gives a shit about the right wing values. Autistic frogposters and kektards like it BECAUSE of the brand because its fashinoable.

Well that's not going to win you any elections. At the very least don't sell it like it's some sort of pro-trump rally

>Many here feel demoralized by Saturday's events
Concern shills.
>defeat
It wasn't. We got tons of press coverage, and the people who were going to call us murderous Nazis either way are calling us murderous Nazis. Big whoop.
>the rest of your post
Reddit LARPing kys

see >"The cowardly, hysterical panicking of some people shows you exactly why the right has lost every battle for 70 years.

When a leftist Bernie fan tried to assassinate 50 GOP congressmen, do you think antifa was sitting around saying "HOLYSHIT HOLYSHIT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO YOU GUYS!?"

When BLM assassinated 5 police officers, did the left-wing establishment rush to disown Black Lives Matter and prove to the Republicans that they could be good conservatives too?

When hundreds of thousands of communists lit Hamburg on fire, did every democratic politician come out to condemn their hateful ideology that killed 130 million people?

Our leaders (outside of Trump, who merely condemned violence on both sides) are cuckolds, cowards, and sycophants, and it's time to admit that they are what they are; liberals, regardless of their party, who stand in stark opposition to what this country was founded to be.

Do not cower, do not cuck, do not buy into the narrative that the media chooses to create. Don't cede one fucking inch.


HOLD
THE
LINE"

Pretty much this

No why would they? They are winning as is why would you ""protest""" when things are going your way?

Normies are our power though. We have to win them over. How do you not see this?

Elections are for cucks. Attack the system, not the content of the system.

stop being such fags, no one will care about this in 1 week. also no one else but you are constantly updating Sup Forums or any other news site all day, the rest of the world read the news and are already moving on with their day.

in a week there will be a few BLM and leftists using the argument of muh evil nazi who ran over people and he will be countered by mountains of leftist/blm violence. it simply won't be an argument

the protest was mostly a success, stop being such limpwristed cucks

>holy shit they embarrassing to white people

Says the guy who sits on his ass and does nothing to stop the white race from being bred out of existence while the Left pushes for white genocide openly

It might just be time to kill yourself.