Identity Politics, From Both The Left and the Right, Will Destroy This Country

Ben Shapiro recently said something very accurate on a recent Joe Rogan podcast:

>"You say the level of hatred leveled against Trump is warping Trump, but it’s also warping people on my side, who are so interested in THE FIGHT that they’re less interested in advancing the polices I’d like to see achieved. Let say Trump resigned tomorrow. He said, “That’s it, I’ve had it, I’m out.” Mike Pence becomes president and proceeds to do all the things that conservatives want. Tax reform, limit immigration, all of those things. But, he doesn’t Tweet, especially about things like Mika Brzezinski’s face. There would actually be a whole group of people on the right who would be pissed. What they want is someone who pisses off the left more than someone who actually beats the left. There’s a lot of people who’ve fallen into the trap of thinking these are both the same thing. That pissing off the left means you’re winning. NO!"

I’m going to present two of many examples I could give of one of the core reasons why America is destined to collapse. To be fair, I will use both a left-wing and right-wing example, since both sides are guilty of this.

>Item One

During the Obama years, several organizations (including Howard Stern) went out and interviewed Obama supporters, but lied to them and told them Obama held views opposite to what he actually had. These reporters would tell the Obama supporters things like, “Obama wants all the troops to stay in Iraq. Do you agree with this?” or “Obama is pro-life and is against abortion. Do you agree with this?” And so on. Tons of them actually agreed with Obama’s fake right-wing views. There are still videos about this on YouTube if you don’t mind searching around. Obama worshipers supported Obama no matter what they thought his views were. Indeed, Obama was, amazingly, re-elected in 2012 when the economy sucked and when black unemployment was near an all-time historic high. They loved Obama, not his views.

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>Item Two

Trump supporters really thoroughly dislike my views, even though I disagree with the left on just about everything and support at least 80% of the alt-right’s political platform. On the other hand, Trump supporters absolutely worship Scott Adams, an extreme, big-government, left-wing liberal, an atheist, a guy who never votes, and a guy who actually shut down all commenting functions on his blog for several months because he didn’t like the alt-right posters there talking about race. Doesn’t make any sense, does it? Well, the reason why is simple. Insane, but simple. I like a lot of what Trump has done, but I also call Trump out when he does the opposite of what he promised and when he does shitty things. Scott Adams, on the other hand, defends Trump almost 100% of the time, no matter what he does or what happens in his administration. (“Bombing Syria is good persuasion!” “It doesn’t matter why Comey got fired!” “He hired Scaramucci! What a great move!” Ten days later: “He fired Scaramucci! What a great move!”)

So there you go. The Trump supporters and alt-right love Adams and are at least mildly irritated with me, even though I agree with far more of their policies and political opinions than Adams does or ever will.

What does this all mean? It means that we have entered into an era where people care more about the groups or individuals involved than the actual policies they support. This is literal insanity. This has been called identity politics, which is politics based on race, religion, or social background rather than ideology or party-based politics. However, it’s worse than that. I think that identity politics was “phase one” and we have now moved to “phase two” where it would be more accurate to call it “personality politics.” In other words, this guy is my guy. I don’t care what he does, nor do I care what laws he passes or what actions he takes. I just support this guy because he’s my guy and I like him. He could literally do the opposite of what my political views are (and does!) and I will still support him because he’s my guy. Does that sound like sane behavior, or insane behavior? Seriously.

Of course, if this guy is the same race, religion, and/or social background as you, your insane personality politics are also backed up by identity politics as well. “Obama is black so I support him!” or “Trump is a white man who doesn’t like Muslims so I support him!”

Do you understand why, if both major political ideologies in the US (and in the Western world) are voting for and supporting people just because of who they are and not because of what they do, that the West is guaranteed to collapse? Do you understand if a president is attacked, and the first defense his supporters give is that the other candidate would have been worse, why this is a bad thing for the future? If corporatist elites like Bush, Obama, Trump, and the next president know that they can do literally whatever they want and their base will keep supporting them and they’ll likely get re-elected, do you understand why the entire system will never be fixed and why it’s more or less doomed?

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Are you getting this yet? Or do you want to get angry at me and defend Bush/Obama/Trump because he’s your guy and you’ll defend him no matter what he does? I know there are more of you in the second category than in the first.

That’s exactly why your civilization is slowly collapsing all around you.

Accelerate
Gas gas gas.

>authoritarian-accelerationist
mah nigga

(((Shapiro)))
Memes aside, of course we are being divided. The left fights the capitalist pig while the right fights banks/jews.
Who has a more accurate perspective of the world?

Oy vey!

When SHTF I rather follow a Caesar of my tribe than some faggy jew claiming peace and world freedom in one glorious package for only 2,99. Civilization die, humans live.

>Ben Shapiro recently said-

Stopped reading right there.

Full radical centrism now.

Ben Shapiro is a dirty Jew with double loyalties who should go the fuck back to Israel.

>voting for and supporting people just because of who they are and not because of what they do, that the West is guaranteed to collapse
prove to me that it's ever been otherwise.

Filthy alt-center human supremacist. I bet you believe in compromise you kike faggot.

He's actually calling for an ethno-state and massive expulsions of foreign elements... for Israel that is. USA better get browned because it's good for the Jews.

The nation inspires nobody, the citizenry takes zero responsibility for the well beiing of the political goings on, and the culture provides no paternal guidance that its people are happy to follow and promote. The U.S.A. is learning that the great experiment where "every man is a blank slate" is false. Right, left, morally right or wrong, it doesnt matter, its the winner and holder of the power that shapes nations and moves mountains. They are more concerned about the groups because working with grouos that want to kill you is antithetical to your grouos survival. We are the hollow, weak men, best prepare for the hard times. People are realizing identity politics will win most if not all of the time. Sharpiro and his republican ilk will lose ground, an inch at a time until they witness their constitution systematically destroyed.

It's not just identity politics.
It's pretty much any ideology.
Radical centrism is right. As long the extremists don't hold power, you'll never have to be worried about being murdered for your beliefs.

People are incapable of holding a happy medium to sustain it from the radicals, or the corrupt.

Good thread and points OP, BUMP.

This is exactly what the problem is. I attribute it 100% to social media and like-whoring. Any blind follower will get the rope when we take all this back.

Jews are acting rational. It's the US that should get its shit together, realize they are white, and stop mixing with their old shovels, but return them or burn them.

>UN flag
Apart from that, this is one based motherfucker right here. It's really fun to see lefties get triggered, but in the long run it isn't effective or efficient for accomplishing our goals.

This is common knowledge

The term "alt right" was made by s DNC think tank and pushed by MSM

Also Richard Spencer showing up out of nowhere

They want to create alt right / neonazi to split Trumps base and hurt him as they previousy couldn't since he didnt have any particular ideology

I just dont understand how people fall for it.

America and every European country is gonna crash so we might as well vote for whoever builds up the most morale and nig hate for the upcoming race war. Benny obviously doesn't like that because he's with (((them)))

Fucking bumb this shit and keep making new bread.

people are so so fucking stupid.

I've literally been saying this since the (((Alt-Right))) first started making an appearance after Hillary's speech. People on this board (idk if shills or not) would literally fight me tooth and nail about the authenticity of the (((Alt-Right)))....

of course identity politics will destroy this country, it destroys every country. You can't stop it, nobody can.

>waaah waaah I am an individualist I want reasoned debate
sorry faggot humans don't work that way. Individualists get lynched and emotional charismatic leaders whip up the lynch mob. Doesn't matter if you think it is good, bad or indifferent, that is the way humans are. The middle will not hold, it will never hold, it never CAN hold.

Choose a side or get crushed, faggot. You with us or with the lefty faggots?

You might have a point if you gave people a choice on which side to choose.
For example if I was black that means I have no choice but to side with leftists and all the insane bullshit they believe in because nazis flat out want me did or forcibly removed from my home.

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

Sup Forums is not the alt right there is a (((group))) out there VERY determined to get us accepting that Sup Forums is the alt right and it is fucking infuriating to me as well. The leftists are completely fucking dead they just throw label after label at us because we asshurt them so badly with memes. Shit is ridiculous.

it dosent matter who said it, what he said is true. If a kike said there are 2 genders would it's opinion be discarded? no. now fuck off

Pick a side faggotron

tl;dr but I like this thread.
Open Question: Does a truly unifying ideology exist which all humans can adopt to live harmoniously in a world moving toward post-scarcity?

It's always been on Sup Forums to some degree, I can't tell if they're shills or if the media meme'd a influx of actual skin head american history X wannabes who really think National Socialism can make a comeback.

Yes

>(((Stalin)))
>(((shapiro)))
>(((stern)))
OP is sitting at his computer giggling that he fit so many jews into one post.

Would require a very authoritarian government.

drop the age of consent. legalize discrimination. case closed.

bigots vs perverts

why not both.

Got to sleep Podesta, you're drunk.

i'm thunk.

No

>Yes
>No
Which is it?

THIS, back at you.

Sup Forums and Sup Forums in general has always been a collection of rational minds (despite the outward appearance) with some participation of "extreme" fringe ideas where occasionally solid truths are found (red pills). "We" larp and act retarded for fun and lulz. "We" mobilize against stupidity and fuckery. "We" btfo everyone because of the fact we operate in reality, rather than some ideology that redefines reality to fit it's mold.

I honestly think, whoever on the Clinton team devised the plan, modeled the (((Alt-Right))) directly around Sup Forums because of the aspects Sup Forums contains, and they knew the retarded masses would just run with it.

A CARTOON FROG IS A LITERAL FUCKING HATE SYMBOL. Let that sink in... "Feels bad man frog" is a registered hate symbol. WTF

quality bread, user.

Trump was a rocket fired at the (((Establishment))), nothing more, nothing less. Only those retarded kekistani fuckers hero worship him.

Shapiro is a filthy Jew in right wing regalia, he's neo-con lite.

People will hate people who arent exactly the same, other will not hate outsiders. Some people are contrarian on every topic because they like to be that way. Humans place themselves in classes and states based any factor they can find, they are far too diverse for universal peace and understanding, almost as if we perceive different realitws from one another.

Kek this
He has a point about confusing winning with triggering dem blue haired feminists and donating to my patron goys

scott adams is a stupidcunt. anyone who is "into" hypnosis is always fucked in the head somehow

The brain washed commie zombies are everywhere.

You are a fool if you don't understand that fascism is the only thing strong enough to destroy communism and the root cause of the cancer.

This is not the way any of us wanted it to be but they pushed and pushed and pushed. What did they think was going to happen?

Most people just wanted to be left the fuck alone but no they had to continue pushing their agenda.

Identity politics dont destroy a country, they destroy each other you fucking idiot until they are the state.

If we truly perceive different realities from each other then which common threads run through all of them?

HAIL VICTORY
that shit was weird. nobody even knew who he was and then whoop suddenly hes this figurehead. i dont know whether hes a plant or just a shekel collector but the ones they talk about are the ones to avoid.

This country was founded on White Christian Heterosexual Male Identity Politics and it will be reborn of it again.

>You are a fool if you don't understand that fascism is the only thing strong enough to destroy communism and the root cause of the cancer.
Why did Communism fall in the 1990's almost 50 years after the collapse of fascism?

“This is a war universe. War all the time. That is its nature. There may be other universes based on all sorts of other principles, but ours seems to be based on war and games. All games are basically hostile. Winners and losers. We see them all around us: the winners and the losers. The losers can oftentimes become winners, and the winners can very easily become losers. ”
- William S Borroughs

he may have been a scumbag but he wasnt wrong.

You think we're brainwashed, but you're naive. The truth is WW2 never ended, and the Aryan's struggle against the eternal Jew continues. They really, seriously, are trying to destroy Western civilization, or at least turn it into what they think it should be. A festering brown cesspool, so yeah, absolute destruction.

Don't lose faith, I see a lot of us just getting used to the decline and starting to think it's normal. Don't leave your brothers and sisters to fight this battle alone. We need to stay vigilant as ever.

>Do you understand if a president is attacked, and the first defense his supporters give is that the other candidate would have been worse, why this is a bad thing for the future?

Do you understand that this is the most attacked president in history and that a good deal of it is completely unwarranted over the top fear mongering?

They come for him at every angle, 24/7.

It is not the voters or Trump that are causing this collapse and mindless attacking and mindless defending. It the media and mainstream news trying to keep up with clickbait for ad revenue, stretching facts and pushing the narrative to its limit for eyeballs.

Celebrities are like personal friends to people in a way - the ones they like and don't like are part of their identity. Now imagine you had a friend who wasn't perfect but everything he did was lied about and exaggerated constantly - by people who seem to irrationally dislike him. Imagine he was accuse of theft, or murder? Knowing the way people talk about him, who would you side with? Of course you would give him the benefit of the doubt.

If the entire press about trump during the election were printed out, it would fill a library of books. And only about 60 pages of it, good and bad would be factual or true, and only about 5 pages of that would be newsworthy.

This is why it has become personality politics, information overload there is simply too much to sift through, so people go with their gut or whatever your peers tend to like. It could be fixed with a few restrictions on media profiteering and honesty.

Simply forcing people to write THIS IS AN OPINION PIECE in bold for when ever their spit out their disgusting opinions, lies and conspiracy theories would go far. The soft censorship of facebook and google is simply untrustworthy.

That is a question for someone other than an user on a forum, as i seldom can think of any off the top of my head.

nice flag bro. you're on to something there, but its almost entirely beside the point in the grand scheme of things.

This was for

Probably some corporate techocracy which occasionally riles up the peasants through mass media on sports and "artists" to keep them calm while they secretly tax them to fund scientific research.

/thread

seriously, every single episode of the daily show is no longer even pretending to be a funny take on the news of the day, it's nonstop trump bashing. Shit got old after a week.

There were no so called Left or Right.
Both was created by Kikes as part of Divide & Conquers Tactics. more divided more easy to be conquered.
I had belief that naturally, ideology was only two, Nationalism & Internationalism/Globalism.

>shapiro
Discarded. His kind owns the media thats doing the divide and conquering.

I haven't watched that since they went after Ron Paul in like 08. I was a huge fan until I noticed most people I knew that watched and trusted it were morons.

China is going to eat us alive aren't they?

The belief in "progress" is in jeopardy, of course they are scared. They are essentially nihilists scared to come to terms with relativism of all values, so they try to impose them, creating new values.

But these new values have no metaphysical crutch, or an ontological basis.

Meaning - progress is "real" only while you are creating it: the minute you stop it disappears. And with it, the illusion the world is moving towards order collapses as well... That is what Nietscze talked about - that feeling of dread we moderns have.

The belief in progress is the last thing holding many from despair i guess - the future will give me what life itself has failed. But i must "do my part".

Tyler "dindu"

5 star post

>he's not part of the centrist master race

>flag
>shapiro
5 shekels deposited

so, Fight-Clubbism is the new movement

Even the Gov admins that employment data is fake.
>Because unemployment insurance records relate only to people who have applied for such benefits, and since it is impractical to count every unemployed person each month, the government conducts a monthly survey called the Current Population Survey (CPS) to measure the extent of unemployment in the country. bls.gov/cps/faq.htm#Ques2
>At 60,000 households per month nationwide, the CPS sample generally is not large enough to support monthly estimation of even total labor force and unemployment for subnational areas. Furthermore, many of the areas included in the LAUS program have no CPS sample coverage whatsoever, precluding tabulation of data over longer time periods. Nor is the reliability of estimates from the CPS consistent across the areas for which annual-average data can be tabulated and published in GP. Despite these limitations, the CPS-based estimates in GP are the most current source if demographic and economic characteristic detail is sought for subnational areas.bls.gov/lau/laufaq.htm#Q09

actually Shapiro is on the side of the left trying to beat the president's agenda

his jewish identity politics are warping his brain

tragically we have the same enemy, but only the right cares to name them. the left was told it was the right and now they believe every republican is the 1%

This

politics is entertainment now, nothing more.

"Hurr durr I'm a milquetoast centrist who likes to pretend I'm just a cool and rational dude who's above the fray. A backbone? Integrity? Nahhhhh!"

>voting for and supporting people just because of who they are and not because of what they do, that the West is guaranteed to collapse?

Sure, I could agree with this statement. However, I think your views are too idealistic. That is, while your mindset appears to be rooted in sane, objective view of policy and potential/historical merit of political figures, surely you realize that the overwhelming majority does not hold such objective views? You can attempt to convert/inform people to an objective viewpoint, but the reality is that most people will hold a bias for one reason or another.

Additionally, anyone with a brain will realize that most elections (in the US, particularly) are a battle between TWO candidates, not three or more. The outsider parties never win. It's like voting for Gary Johnson instead of Trump or Clinton. Even if you liked him, why even vote when he will not win even 2nd place?

The large majority of people vote for one of the two largest political factions. Others get nothing but scraps. Maybe in other countries, it is different, but not in the US. Identity politics ARE personality politics, and personality politics are 'politics' in the US. They have been for years. At least my entire lifetime, but I am still young.

I'm not debating your point about mindless support being...problematic. However, with the points I have stated, and the ever-growing need for support and defense of one's political desires and positions, what is anyone to do but cheer for their side? What is realistically going to change anything?

why does it always look like a team of gremlins is going to work on his ass? (and that he enjoys it)

Space Monkey Ready To Sacrifice Himself For The Greater Good

Politics is about people so there's no such thing as non identity politics.

>centrism

Faggot ideology. Compromise is off the table. Why should I compromise with anything the left espouses?

Collevtivism will always beat individualism.

Join up or fade into irrelevancy you atomized faggot.

/thread

It needs to be said again and again: The "alt-right" is a leftist strawman and boogie-man. Much of the left has morphed into a SJW cult, with no tolerance for other ideas to be allowed. So they try to frame anyone who is not a leftist into an opposing meta-cult as well. Problem is, you have very little in common between neo-nazis, monarchists, libertarians, etc. except for their opposition to leftist ideals.

>s

I haven't seen Trump deviate from his promises in any substantive way.

I supported Obama originally but he didn't live up to any of his promises, so I stopped.

I like Scott Adams and the Scaramucci thing was a great move until Scaramucci shot himself in the foot. Then it was a great move to get rid of a guy who created a PR disaster when he was there to handle PR. How is Adams wrong there and how does that make me a "personality cultist" to follow where logic dictates?

To reiterate: I have not seen Trump deviate from trying to fulfill his promises in a substantive way. I have seen plenty of the media trying to spin it as so, so as to try to erode his base.

Someone make a cap of this....

>hating religion but following political ideology

If this doesn't show how extremely unintelligent most of the western population is i don't know what does.

Yes OP, you're absolutely correct!

The cultural war is even more important that the laws he cam pass. What he's doing is exposing media bias and leftism (DNC) craziness.

'My job is to Shut The White People Down' - DNC Chair
youtube.com/watch?v=ImeRx0Ba97I

Was about to post this

>faggotron
I laughed too much

Good.
The destruction of the US is the last thing we need in the path towards WWIII.

There's a 4th one too

>Much of the left has morphed into a SJW cult, with no tolerance for other ideas to be allowed.

The normies were just on the cusp of realizing this too with the Goolag firing then Spencer came along and fucked it up for us with a tiki torch march.

Is Spencer a Soros plant? And that whole group of neo-nazis on his payroll as well? Can we do some research and find out who funded these guys?

>HAHA IM SUCH A CENTRIST LOL

>muh country

You're not wrong in seeing the danger of these cults of personality, but the reason Trump is given so much credit here is because he's our most important piece on the board. He's far from perfect, but he does fight the establishment on a number of important issues. I don't like his support of Israel or opposition to Assad, but I won't outright abandon him until he 180s on key issues like immigration.

The_donald and /ptg/ are perfect examples of "personality politics," though. Their blind opposition to David Duke, for example, reeks of ignorance.