Since every other thread is started by delusional Spencerites

Since every other thread is started by delusional Spencerites
This is the thread where we rationally discuss the chances of the driver in court
Only thing I can think of helping him would be the fact that police and governor violated the federal judges order and dispersed the protesters into counter-protesters
Other than that doesn't look good for him

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>doesn't look good for him
he was protecting his life, it's pretty clear-cut that he's completely innocent.

normally he'd be innocent. This isn't a normal case though and he's been crucified by the media. I think he'll be made an example of.

Hoping for zimzam round II.

he's found not guilty and then riots erupt like back in the nineties

Since the woman he killed didn't attack him directly, I believe they will buy down for manslaughter and get him. Murder won't stick with the blatant bat attack to his rear lights but since he killed a BEAUTIFUL WOMAN OF SIZE they have to fry him for something

this, its the only rational perspective

That one swat moments before hitting the crowd?
Don't think that will hold up in court
Zimmerman was crucified even worse by the then President but got off because he had the facts on his side
In this case the guy doesnt
This thread is for discussing the case
Manslaughter is possible but again the stick can be explained away by prosecuting because he was already causing the crowd to flee without slowing down

the courts won't matter. even if he is found innocent the real trial is the rest of his life.

he will probably get killed on his way to court, or some such other fucking melodramatic nonsense.

The video of the guy whacking his bumper with the bat that precedes the video of the "ramming" should be pretty good evidence that the kid panicked when he zoomed forward, slammed on his brakes, was surrounded (and going to be pulled from the car, let's be honest), and tried to reverse out to safety.

>brake lights
>mob attacked vehicle, so he reverse 'panicked'
>girl was killed as he reversed

I'd say his chances are quite high actually, there is also precedent of a mob attacking a vehicle and the driver running them over to escape, and being acquitted all charges (happened in NY).

Depends on how useless his public defender ends up being I guess

Site other cases where drivers were not convicted of running over protesters

Fear of life
Public road
Vehicles he ran into were stopped at intersection, why?
if Trial in Virginia, jury made up of citizens pissed because thier history being erased by the people he ran over

Casey Anthony didn't have it so good

he's not the first

There is also the fact that the BLM idiots in the protest he crashed into chased away the police, so there was no traffic control. This can also help his defense since normally with protests cops set up a perimeter to prevent this very problem from happening of randos crashing into people in the street or cars making the situation worse.

It's almost like he planned this perfectly as his defense is so tight

he is fucked the public defenders won't even work with him , the jury are porbably going to be bought in from somewhere remote to the area and he can spend a year in jail at least without violating his rights.
Any plea deal is going to be over a year in prison minimum for that reason alone.

Nope he is already starting into the crowd with less than ten feet to go before he hits people with no brakes on
If he was hit and had like a window shattered when he was 50 feet away and was braking to a stop it would be a valid defense
No brake lights in any of the videos going towards the crowd

he hit armed "counter-protestors" that were illegally blocking the road

he has a pretty solid chance in court friendo

fucking based Subaru

they were beating his car with bats

no man, the left is way too peaceful and rational to do something like that

That car is iconic now. Are they gonna sell it? I know I'd never afford it, bsut still.

>they were beating his car with bats
Where?
And if you post the one stick he's hit with as he's ten feet from the crowd you are wrong and you know it

People standing in the middle of the road like they wanted to commit suicide.
He tried to scare them by braking on the last moment, but they just kept standing there and got hit.
Tbh he should get off, he tried all he could, but they wanted to die too badly.

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>starting into the crowd

You mean driving where cars go, on the road, yeah? The pickup truck parked there leads me to conclude the road was not closed nor properly marked for protest. Invalid.

>no brakes on

The defense theory would be his panic prevented him from forming the intent or being aware of the natural/probable consequences of his actions. People either slam on the brakes or the gas when they panic, they don't do both. Also invalid.

>would be a valid defense

A "valid" defense is whatever the charges, law, and finder of fact allow. If you are allowed to use a specific defense and the finder of fact buys your theory, that's what makes it valid.

In all honesty, I think the worst case scenario for him will be given some sort of probation, house arrest, and a suspension of his drivers license. Best case scenario suspension of drivers license.

Reasons: Video proof of him attempting to brake. Video proof of him being attacked. Video proof of protestors screaming death threats at him. Video proof of protestors on the roads illegally. Police illegally dispersed protestors onto the streets. The protestors made an effort to jump in front of the car instead of jumping away.

The court will be a win for him, but his entire life he has to deal with accidentally killing a woman and leftist making his life a lot worse.

He may be able to use the video of his car being hit with a bat to make a self-defense case. Might be enough to plead down to a vehicular manslaughter. Still an uphill battle.

There are a number of options depending on the circumstances but he will definitely end up in prison.
If he had any form or anxiety or depression he could claim diminished responsibility. For example if suffering from anxiety it may explain why he may have panicked when faced with an angry mob attacking his car.
If his actions were a result of him trying to escape a situation where he feared for his life then he used unreasonable/unjustified amount of force against his attackers. So the best he can hope for is having the murder charge reduced to manslaughter.

I dunno, i think he has a huge case to get a reduced sentence. Manslaughter not murder.

plenty of video evidence to prove this.

the big negative for him is that this became a national matter and the media will pressure them to make an example of him to appease the cultural marxist.

shouting fire in a crowded theater can get you charged with murder. so why can't hitting a car that's in a mob. you're inciting a panic either way.

He'll get charged with manslaughter unless the DA are preening jackasses, then he can maybe get a good lawyer and beat the murder 2 charge.

Ultimately he drove recklessly into an illegal assembly and probably feared for his life. He's culpable for that much

You all are so delusional it's sad
It would be very hard
Depends on whether prosecutor wants a quick plea or to drag it out for politics

Do you think this car belongs in a museum?

Or will they publicly destroy it and cheer?

You can clearly hear the car skip of the road, meaning he braked to hard. You can see the brake lights turn on right before the Camara "fails" to follow the car. Also if he didn't brake the protestor wouldn't have been able to hot the car.

He'd getting charged with terrorism and some other shit. I hope he enjoys getting raped bybthe minorities he hates so much.
He'll also be placed along with the other crazy dangerous inmates and not in the good boy wing of the prison.

Wipe your dashboard off you fucking slob

if you examine the scene you realize he has tons of factors on his side

what plenty of brake lights and brake screeching.

This was a false flag done to stir things up. He's going to either disappear, or they'll double down and have him walk to further cause outrage.

You faggots realize this sort of shit is literally what the CIA does for a living right? Artificially starting riots/civil unrest/coups. This is just the CIAs way of firing back at Trump.

The camera follows him all the way the last 50 or so feet into the crowd
And guess what? no brake lights all the way there
>Also if he didn't brake the protestor wouldn't have been able to hot the car.
Are you an expert in this or can you give me some studies to show at what speed you can or cannot hit a car on the rear?
Because I'd love to see some proof of that

if he doesnt get a public defender hes gonna walk unless they got him to agree to defend himself and waive his right to a defender

>zimzam round II
that would be sweet and cause a MASSIVE butthurt

There absolutely is brake lights right before he smokes them, did you miss the 1000s of threads yesterday "If brakes are lit, you must acquit"

What none of us have either is video from before he is even on that street, which the court will have. I'm betting it's filled with "peaceful protesters" who threw shit at his car or were chasing him.

If this guy has any kind of decent lawyer he walks away from the murder charge easily, the leaving the scene of an accident easily, but perhaps not the reckless driving.

Post this video, because all news video you see the camera failing to follow from the beginning of the video to the end.

So what you are saying is that he hit the crowd on purpose?
Theny why did he try to avoid the mob running after him? And also explain why did he swerve and brake right before flooring it before the mob ahead of him?
If this was planned don't you think he would have gone for it derectly, and more importantly chose a cheaper and more robust vehicle with more mass to do so? Using an expensive plastic toy for that makes absolutely no sense.
The simple truth is that he wanted the mob in front of him to part ways, bu they didn't and were swarming him armed with weapons instead. He panicked and tried to force his way through, but didn't see the cars blocking the road to to the horde ubsuring them.

a lot of the people who got hit were hit by the unoccupied cars that were illegally blocking the road and completely blocked from the drivers vision by the crowd

>no brake lights

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The whole Car Attack was a False Flag, complete with Crisis Actors.

he's got a lawyer, charles webster but he won't be from that public defenders office.

his old teacher, who seems to be a media whore says schizophrenia and says he recently tried to join the military, but was denied because of a history of anti-psychotic medication.

there were no illegally blocking cars.

the intersection was crowded by people.

there were 2 cars idling waiting in the crowd for the crowd to pass but they were blocked from the drivers vision by the crowd.

Everyone report the Anon5 fag
And no brakes lights all the rest of the way into the crowd
Post your video which you say proves him innocent

Media circus always helps the defense. It distracts the prosecution and creates a number of traps that could easily lead to a mistrial if they make the slightest mistake.

Charged=\=convicted

It's funny how people like you fantasize about rape so much. You're sick in the head.

Are you familiar with the concept of 'pushing through'? Or do they not teach you that in driving school?
He was being chased by a mob armed with bats and hammers.

zimmerman was on the phone with the police, and had connections to the local justice system. His parents were judges if i remember right.

If the kid in the dodge doesnt get the trial moved out of virginia its an obvious railroad job by the GOV.

If this is true then its more likely that he will end up in a mental institution rather than prison. Let's be real he must be mentally fucked If he thought anything he did was a good idea.

In Reno last year, a white man ran over a Native American protestor on Columbus Day.

He revved his engine at them and honked his horn. They came up to him and made threats, at which point he ran one over.

He only got charged with "provoking assault" for revving the engine/honking. Two of the protestors were charged with battery.

If the CVille guy can prove he was attacked/threatened, he can get off. The hit and run charge should definitely be dropped.

The President coming on TV now to talk about this makes me think they probably found some shit on his computer thats going to come out and rile everyone up.

Rationally is a foreign word here.
1)he can't afford a lawyer and is getting a public defender.
Not good
2)it can't be a local public defender, because of conflict of interest
Getting worse
3)the governor is furious at this and will make examples of his behavior.
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4)he didn't drive foreword at a high rate of speed, to escape. All that was in front was people and cars.
5)even if you kill people as an accident, you're still responsible. He'd need OJ's legal team to even paint that picture as an accident.

He's fucked.

There is tons of footage of him attepting to avoid them, and being surrounded and attacked from multiple angles. That is why youtube is deleting those videos for 'inciting violence'

Agreed. It's already been established that if you are in your vehicle, your vehicle is surrounded and blocked by an angry mob and you believe that angry mob means you harm than any actions panicked or not are in self defense. I say he walks. Is there a gofundme for his defense? I'd happily donate to pay his legal fees.

There is video evidence. He's going to rot in jail for the rest of his life which may not be very long if the niggers have their say. I hope he gets tortured to death in prison.

show one

rofl, he will be an idol for the AB and mexicans in there. he'll be a fucking king in prison you retarded fuck

>one
Didn't save the best angle one in time, it got shoa'd. Ill find a copy eventually.

Maybe, it really depends if they started smashing his car before he rammed into the crowd. If I was going to intentionally hurt a crowd of people in America I'd use a gun not a van of peace.

>if they started smashing his car before he rammed into the crowd
They did.

>be white
>attend """white nationalist rally"""
>driving in your car
>get attacked by white leftists
>"oh shit what the f is going on how do I get out of here"
>speed up to preserve personal safety
>crash into whites, hit a car you couldn't see
>back up and hit more whites
>flee the scene because they were attacking you non-stop

I for the life of me don't understand how this is a racial crime.
the media is so disingenuous I don't understand how anyone could take them seriously.

Legally speaking he's going to be 110% ok. This isn't even a case of manslaughter. He was being attacked, showed intent of "slowing down" when he realized the crowd was not going to move. He backed up go get out of there and did not attempt to "mow down" anyone.

he's gonna be fucked in civil court once those anarchists realize they can sue him for emotional/physical damages though. fucking hypocrites

This. He's gonna walk. Clearly and indisputably self defense.
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So he won't be able to use any of it?
I don't think most posters here understand the law. Unless immediate threat is present (people shooting at you), your first responsibility under self defense is to escape. The only way he could of walked, is if all he did was back up. He could of realistically run people over, and claimed it was his only escape.
Look at the car he hit. The trunk got pushed into the back seat. He drove through a crowd to pin people between his car, and immovable objects. He killed someone. He's fucked. You don't have to agree, or like it. Those are the facts though.
He's getting no bail. He isn't making a go fund account. You could always make one for him, but hide your identity.

would you even notice that from the inside?

hearing/feeling someone hit your car and then swerving to the right and slowing down would indicate that he could notice that from inside.

That's a tap on the bumper. Had he reversed then, and ran people over, he'd be fine.
They are having the FBI tear into his life. If he made any posts about white nationalist anything, anywhere, he'll just be a martyr that they can hang.

He drove past him(her?) and probably saw them swinging. Also side mirrors.

there was some guy from norway that did this in some town in usa, he was hit in the face by some villagers and they surrounded the car like an angry mob (he drove at some illegal road or something) so he panicked and drove and hitted some.

he is in jail for life

When you illegally block the road and assault a random motorist with intent to intimidate, maim or kill the driver you've just handed someone else the right to legally kill you and anyone else illegally blocking the road. The driver has the law on his side. The protesters only have public outrage of the left. He's gonna walk.

Why would you think there will be a fair trial?

It is obvious he didn't want to crash into anyone, front or back. That is an expensive car after all.
Once he noticed the mob would not part he panicked. If he stopped at that point they would have dragged him out and probably killed him.

but i think you have to match the force, so if they are using bats, you can use blunt weapons back. but not a gun or a car (car is defined as a weapon in court)

first of all I don't think norway has "life" sentences. second of all how the fuck is that guy deemed the same kind of threat as Breivik?

You socialist nords really are crazy

remember all those early reports when they thought it was a lefty that hit the wrong crowd?
they couldn't push the "accident" or "fleeing in self defense" angle fast enough. all of those still apply.

the fact that he's been in custody since Saturday without a lawyer being appointed to him is a very bad sign.

i doubt this guy has the resolve to not say anything. ESPECIALLY if it was an accident and it wasnt intentional. He feel like he can say "the truth" without it getting twisted into a life sentence.

You're so high on your own dumb. The law says nothing like that.
Self defense force can't exceed the force used on you. His car was tapped on the bumper. That does not give you a license to kill.
If someone pulls a knife on you, you can shoot them. You can't empty the magazine, reload and pop another twelve rounds into them and claim self defense. You're so wrong it's funny.

Havent kept up with all this, can anyone give the quick rundown?

He wasn't trying to kill, but to flee. That has to be a factor too. Keep in mind there was a mob surrounding him.

He didn't kill shit. Fat killed her. She had no injuries external or internal inflicted from being hit.

The bitch had massive heart failure because her adrenaline sent her heart over 150bpm and she was toast.

If her heart is shit, you must acquit.

The faster you accept these facts, the faster we can heal and regroup from this disaster
>This was not an accident and he did, in fact, try to use violence by plowing his car into the protestors
>it was not a false flag or any conspiratard
>he was one of us
>the alt right is not dead, this is just a major setback
>the leftist media will hold double standards
>the leftist media will run with this story for decades to come
>the leftist media doesn't care about your side, they see us as Nazis and they won't care if it was an accident if Antifa was the ones starting the violence or if your freedom of speech was suppressed.
This is like hail gate, just worse, but we will overcome this, learn from this, draw more support and enemies but in the end we will be stronger.

"What is dead may never die but rises again harder and stronger"

some guy driving at a white nationalist rally got cornered by antifa mob and panicked when they started to attack his car so he sped up, crashing into a car he didn't see in front of him because of the mob, killing one woman, then reversed to get out of there since they were continuing to smash his car up.

News is playing like he's some neo-nazi looking to mow down "peaceful protestors" a-la Nîce style. Especially since he "fled" the scene of the crime AKA got away from the mob to an area he felt was calm and safe.

That's why I keep saying HAD HE REVERSED IMMEDIATELY HE WOULD BE ABLE TO CLAIM A DEFENCE. The fact he injured so many and killed one, he won't walk.
You can't "accidentally" kill people, say sorry and walk. Someone died as a result of his actions. It's all over the news, interviews of wounded people, etc.
he's getting a shit lawyer that probably has little experience. It's not going to go well.

Unless someone can prove mathematically that he was slowing down. Distance, velocity, time, impact. Cannot rely on the vids though, because they can be sped up or slowed down.

>he was one of us
Who is this 'us'?

alt-right/white nationalists, the far-right etc.

There was no escape in front of him. THATS WHY HES FUCKED. HAD HE IMMEDIATELY BACKED UP HED HAVE A DEFENSE.
People hit my car with sticks, so I put them into a brick wall isn't a valid defense.

>You can't "accidentally" kill people, say sorry and walk
Bruce Jenner, anyone?
>inb4 celebrity/connections
It can still work if the word gets spread around enough. Twitter, facebook, youtube, anything. Spam it.

I wish I could be on his defense team to argue this UNDENIABLE FACT

I've heard he was diagnosed as having schizophrenia. Any truth to this? If so, does this help or hurt his case?

This is true, but he ran over people who weren't breaking his shit. And killed some woman who i believe wasn't technically attacking him

Is this true?

The spin in that video is terrible.

youtube.com/watch?v=OvAmeWsHpeg

At aprox. 2 secs into the video, just an instant before the camera pans up is when this image was captured.

You can barely even make out the brake lights in the video. From there you can hear/see the car accelerating into the crowd. He had already forced people to jump out of the way of his car before his car was hit. He was trying to hit them, his car just hadn't built up any speed yet.

people wearing masks and carrying bats & knives? yep. i'd be mowing down motherfuckers with my dodge too.

It would help tremendously
>other than that thing that makes it look good for him, it doesn't look good for him
Why do leftists do this?

Yes.