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Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is recommended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

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youtube.com/watch?v=YAYtknd1ncY
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gommies.gom/ohshid/
gommies.gom/1984/
gommies.gom/guck/
gommies.gom/probaganda/
gommies.gom/XDDDD/
gommies.gom/hiwherearethefood/
gommies.gom/benis/
islamiggommunism.gom/
gommies.gom/wheresfood/
users.wfu.edu/cottrell/eea97.pdf
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

"Divide and you'll conquer" is the strategy that the bankers and businessman have used to infantilize both left and right in the US, and make sure that a polarized society can't make any real, useful, and necesary social process.

Why should I support an ideology that has thus far proven too weak to defeat capitalism?

>why should I rebel against my jew masters
t. the post

I agree

Communism was founded by Karl Marx, who is related by blood to the Rothschild bankers

The Bourgeoisie wanted a system of complete control, so that the masses gave them 100% of their wealth and property voluntarily (this is why private property doesn't exist under Communism, it's all owned by the state while they tell stupid goyim it's actually all theirs, and it's also why Marx talked about "seizing the means of production")

So they got this Jew, Marx, to indoctrinate the poor fools into giving all their wealth and property to the "state". Not only that, but he also indoctrinated them with ideas such as national borders being bad to push the same globalist agenda

The problem was who runs the state?
The Jews. Via the Central Banking system usually owned by the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, and all these powerful Jews, and in the USSR, the Soviet government (Kaganovich, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Lenin...). This is why the "Russian" Revolution in 1917 was funded by rich Jewish bankers like Jacob Schiff, the Rothschilds, the Warburgs...

You only have to look at Venezuela, it has a Central Banking System. This is why people never become rich in Communist nations, only poor, and why so many people starved in the USSR. The solution is to end the Central Banking Systems

Anyone who still follows communism, an ideology that never worked, has killed over 100M people, is retarded in terms of social policies (let's destroy national borders and the family unit because of "capitalism"?) and was only ever created by Jews to benefit Jews if you look at it objectively, is retarded. The original communism is Jewish supremacism.The fact that they've convinced so many college students to think it's any good shows how far the ideological subversion has come

Marx advocated genocide, so did Trotsky and Lenin

youtube.com/watch?v=YAYtknd1ncY
>Karl Marx planned genocide for Europe's "Racial Trash"

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FAQ for washed liberal-morons, kekistani edgelord teenagers and normal people who simply do not know much about communism:

1. Communism is the USSR.
The USSR is a socialist state, not a communist state.

2.1. Why, then, does the Communists all the time refer to the USSR?
Because the USSR is our historical experience of the practical construction of a communist society. We highlight the positive aspects of the experience of the USSR and study the negative experience. It is also worthwhile to understand that the USSR is for us a certain significant Symbol.

2.2 Communism is a dictatorship
Under communism there are no classes, accordingly there is no dictatorship.

3. What about the dictatorship of the proletariat?
The dictatorship of the proletariat is a temporary form of political power called upon to ensure the observance of the rights of the proletariat during the transition from capitalist society to communism.

4. But Stalin ...
With regard to the period of Stalin's rule, we can identify a lot of positive and negative aspects of his activities. But unfortunately, all-round propaganda has distorted the history of this period too much, therefore, without a comprehensive historical analysis of this period, it is impossible to draw unambiguous conclusions on the basis of ALL declassified documents.

5. And yet Stalin ...
We adequately perceive the figure of Stalin and treat him normally and without hysteria. Nevertheless, Stalin - though significant, but by no means the main figure of the communist movement.

6. What is the main figure, if not Stalin?
Marx

7. Ie you are not Communists, but Marxists?
Communism is part of Marx's teaching. At present, Marx's teaching has evolved into many directions. As for the precise definition, the terms "Communist" and "Marxist" often very much depend on the context.

8. Communism is the antithesis of democracy.
By no means. Communism is just a true democracy.

9. Under communism - all work in the Gulag for workdays on 24/7.
On the contrary, the Communists set their task to reduce the number of working hours, by increasing the productivity of labor. Ideally, we should work for 4 hours in fully automated production, the remaining time dedicated to self-development, art, hobby.

10. But wait! This is a capitalistic post-industrial one!
You are deeply mistaken my young friend. This is precisely communism. And under capitalism you will not get it. Communism is the highest stage of development of society and economy and if capitalism is similar to what I described above, then it turns into communism.

>The USSR is a socialist state, not a communist state.
No, fucktard, it was state capitalism all along. It never even got to the point of actual socialism.
Now please be so kind to kys.

Stalin did nothing wrong. Fuck the faggots who whine about much 60 gorillion. It was probably a hoax and if not kulaks deserved it.

I'll agree that he did nothing wrong in that I hope someday I can be as talented at murdering communists as he was.

Stalin was a social nationalist. Socialism in one country is the way to go.

It didnt work in the long run thats why the ussr doesnt exist anymore.

I thought the last thing I read was the dumbest fucking thing I'd have read all day but I guess this is just a day where I read all types of fucking dumb shit. I can't even get past the first sentence about communism being the next stage in humanity following capitalism. WTF dude? In your fucking head? At yur local antifa rally? YOURE JUST AS BAD AS NAZIS!!!!! FUCK YOU COMMIE BITCH!!!!!

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Because if we don't do something via collective effort to the upcoming problems a lot of people will die and a lot of people will blame capitalism. Making capitalism the most hated one, is that what you want?

Stalin was killed by the Jews comrade.

No, since usage of wage labor in addition to taxes and markets(that are closed) is acceptable since peoples excess wealth goes to common funds(of the state) and not towards single capitalists pocket.

Where's spurdo?

Can you tell me how else we will be battling the incoming automation age and the rising numbers of human vs the jobs that will fade?

>since peoples excess wealth goes to common funds(of the state)
But that's not true. People could just save up their excess wealth. Where are you getting this crap?

>Be lazy neet that makes commie threads on Sup Forums
>Be Dr working 70hr weeks saving lives
>Their labour is equally valuable to society and they are entitled to the same
Fuck off m8

In the excess that comes form wage labor(if the socialist state makes an profit) and taxes.

Alt-left faggots need a free helicopter ride.

Yeah no. form each according to their ABILITY to each according to their needs. This means that not all labor power is equal.

I hate you!

kek, you should add pic-related to this pic. They raped and murdered thousands of Catholics.

Hello gomrades! X_DDddDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of ebin revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. X_-DDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :-DDDDd
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all FUG. When capitalists run away we win and I gill you all. Eventually the fungtions of state stob and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
gommies.gom/fug/
gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
gommies.gom/ohshid/
gommies.gom/1984/
gommies.gom/guck/
gommies.gom/probaganda/
gommies.gom/XDDDD/
gommies.gom/hiwherearethefood/
gommies.gom/benis/
islamiggommunism.gom/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :-DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. (BENIS :_DD)

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage 4
Nod real gommunism. Nexzt gountry. problems werent. :-DDdd

Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
gommies.gom/fug/
gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
gommies.gom/ohshid/
gommies.gom/1984/
gommies.gom/guck/
gommies.gom/probaganda/
gommies.gom/XDDDD/
gommies.gom/wheresfood/
gommies.gom/benis/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage 4
Nod real gommunism. Nexzt gountry :DD

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Fantastic post comrade!

So what you're saying is that the value of labor is subjective based on it's market value like capitalist have been saying?

What is wrong with the LTV.

Non arguments:

>If I dig a hole in my backyard and then fill it in I used labor but made no value! Commies BTFO!

Marx clarified (unlike adam smith) that only socially nessary labor (labor used to produce a commodity with use value) creates value. This is also the case if you spend 1000 years making a bed.

>Nature can create value as well. If an apple falls from a tree then value is created without labor

Marx also noted nature could create value.

>if labor determines price why is coca cola cheaper than bottled water?

Labor doesn't determine price. It determines value (not exchange value or use value) and correlates with the equilibrium price. Supply and demand determine price.

Machines cannot create value. If I make a machine that makes diamonds out of thin air then the value of a diamond falls below that of bricks now that they can be aquired with no work what so ever. Price might not fall because you can still manipulate supply and demand but value certainly does.

Some definitions.

Use value = How useful an object is.
Exchange value = Market value of a commidity. Different from use value. You can sell a beanie baby for 200$ but it is almost completely useless.
Value = the amount of congealed labor withing a commodity.


Some evidence of the LTV
users.wfu.edu/cottrell/eea97.pdf

Hello, I like sweet grains and I am a furry comrade in arms and Stalin did nothing wrong, and they deserved it. If anyone wants to join my own communist chat I am Robin Gaard Backlund, look for me in your resident messaging apps and social media.

WE'RE THE GOOD GUYS

Thoughts on this man? At least he wasn't a puppet.

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In the Sudetenland referendum, 98% of the region chose to join National Socialist Germany.

People need to differentiate between Marxist-Socialism and socialism as a whole

Where's your Spanish flag faggot

dangz gomrade :DD

heil Marggz heil Lebbin heil bigdory :DDDDDD

Obviously being able to freely move capitals between countries it's helpful to the capitals.

But some things aren't as convenient under a free market economy.

No.
Its not based on market value but utility and cost-effectiveness.

The people who will die are the kind of people who would support communism, so I see no problem.

How do you propose to give the means of production to the people? Government taking of private assets?

That's why Jim Crow laws still exist and I can buy niggers at my local market

This has so many levels of retardation that I'm just overwhelmed
>ussr "is" a socialist state
>durr it's hard to figure out if Stalin was bad
>communism is classless, we swear no one is needed to administer things
>communism is true democracy, as long as everyone votes to remain communist

These are the hallmark arguments of teenagers whose brains haven't properly developed yet

he was arguably the most puppet...

Hoxha wrote a fuckload about how awful he was

Who values this ? In capitalism it is the market.
The government ? Good luck with your famines.

What are you even talking about?

Cuckunists don't even make good slaves. Literally useless. Would throw out of helicopter again. I rate 1/10.

Exactly the sort of critical thinking skills I'd expect from a communist. The post was in response to the idea that a society polarized by the evil 1%ers is unable to make effective social change and progress

I know Tito was an idiot, but the bunker man sure is one to talk about communists being awful.

The fact that you can't 'buy niggers at you local market' does not in anyway mean that division doesn't exist and that its not in the interests of certain people. Nobody mentioned your idea of 'progress'

How is a worker's revolution assured to survive to the point of a genuine collective of interconnected, though relatively autonomous communes? In many notable instances of socialist-style worker uprisings, a political class emerges with a cult of personality at the head. Would you consider such instances to be undermining of the goals and spirit of true Communism, or a necessary phase in the development of this utopia? If the latter, why is it that this goal could not be made manifest in the time that these countries have been socialist states?

I wouldn't consider myself deeply familiar with the history of socialist regimes and attempts at communist societies, though I can only bring to mind Revolutionary Catalonia as coming anywhere close to have realized the goal and not succumb immediately to authoritarian rule. This state of affairs was fucked over by Stalin who disagreed with the decentralized nature of these communes, and only lasted 3 years. How do you propose that the ideal arrangement of autonomous though co-dependent communes would be made possible on a larger scale, as unseen before in larger countries/regions which went through a socialist revolution?

If my understanding is correct, such a movement is to be driven by social consensus and aims to strip away the traditional hierarchies of power. In many cases, this power is concentrated in a 'people's party', which on paper is the vessel through which the will of the people is carried out. It is usually the case that the head personality figure will have absolute control of the party, and hence decides unapposed what the social consensus and policy of the country is. In such conditions, what is stopping power-hungry sociopaths from consolidating and keeping absolute authority?

Also, considering the what we have seen historically since his publishings, would you consider his ideas to be fully relevant to the reality of today, to the extent that his ideas are to be considered the blueprints for an ideal society? Or do you have any criticisms/different interpretations of the subjects he writes on?

What filters do you guys have for pol? My filters so far are hiding 60 threads.

Comrade I'm hungry. I know you are too. When will we have something to eat? Our ideology always leads to starvation.

This is now a fast food food porn thread

I filter literally everything apart from the communism general

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>commies make Sup Forums a safe space for themselves
Well, I knew there had to be some reason that there's communists on this board.

It was a joke autism boy
I post all the time without my commie flag

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>a safe space
I'm sorry but racism and shit flinging doesn't do it for me like it did when I was 15.

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>prefers shit packing

Obvious burger

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>all these pictures of fast food saved
let me guess, American?

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I love rightist butthurt in these threads.

>Hard drive space is as rare as food in commie land

Lick your screen comrade. It's the closest we've had to real food in 3 weeks. Muh worker's paradise

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Take off your flag

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I know, they just can't help it. Its funny that they usually keep the thread on page 1 because of their constant bumping too

My flag? How dare you. The flag is communal property of the proletariat. Straight to the gulag with your bourgeoisie ass

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I don't see what the problem is with keeping the thread on page one. Maybe a real communist will see it and be dissuaded from communism.

>ancap flag
>posting a 'right wing death squad' picture
are you confused user?

>the state as such will wither away.
>the state and society are indistinguishable.

In the the battle of reals versus feels, reals always wins.

Lets say your perfect society starts to take hold, what so you do with people who simply will not comply? What so you do with people who are anarchists, or simply anti-state? What happens in your perfect world to people who aren't...perfect?

Care to explain why every communist country, past and present is also an ethno-state, meaning 90% or more are the majority race? Do you honestly think you can convince me communism doesnt eventually devolve into racism?

Capitalism works because it pits the worst elements of society against each other making a society that is greater than the sum of its parts. Uni fails because it is subject at all times to its constituents and tje good often gets canceled out by the bad, it is a degenerate society because it os always producing the lowest common denominator.

The reason democracy and capitalism dont just quash communism is because people need to see for themselves that communism doesnt work. It like your dad catches you smoking so he makes smoke the whole carton, communists have to learn the hard way.

Do you think its a coincidence that communist party is comprised mostly of young people? Hmmm, where did all the old communists go?

Do you think its a coincidence that the only people who teach communism are college professors who either have tenure or some very financially secure families? Why exactly do you think the term "champagne socialist" exists?

I honestly dont mean to incense you user, please mull over my questions and give an honesy reply. I really so value your response and your taking the time to read my post.

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Ancap is right-wing.

You are a moron

How is ancap not right-wing?

Ancap is Anarcho-capitalism. Key word here is 'anarcho'

Right wing death squads are a shitty meme used by fascists and nazis

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communism has caused three generations of my family to live in poverty and terror then gutted everything that was left fully turning this once beautiful nation into a shithole, forcing people to either hardly scrape by or live a humiliating life in rich, capitalist west europe abandoning their roots.
apologize.

So the RWDS will be privatized and used to hunt those who violate the NAP (commies, nazis, etc).

Ancaps are crypto-fascists btw.

:(
Take your (you)

The picture you posted before has a black sun in the background too

I'm so hungry comrade I'd even eat a 7-11 hotdog

The actual kulaks were indeed scum and deserved liquidation. Lots of innocents got caught up in the campaign against them, sadly.

>Midnight Petrograd... A Red Guards night watch spots a shadow trying to sneak by. >"Stop! Who goes there? Documents!"
>The frightened person chaotically rummages through his pockets and drops a paper.
>The Guards chief picks it up and reads slowly, with difficulty: "U.ri.ne A.na.ly.sis"...
>"Hmm... a foreigner, sounds like ..." "A spy, looks like.... Let's shoot him on the spot!" >Then he reads further: "'Proteins: none, Sugars: none, Fats: none...'
>You are free to go, proletarian comrade! Long live the World revolution!"

How so? How is anarcho-capitalism in any way similar to authoritarian national syndicalism?