So I'm curious. What's actually wrong with communism? I've seen that the majority of you think it's bad...

So I'm curious. What's actually wrong with communism? I've seen that the majority of you think it's bad, and history has shown it no favour. So surely you guys have good reasons for disliking communism as a whole.

Also, just another question: is ultra-nationalism the way to go?

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its pure utopian fantasy and can never be realized

We dont like its core Philosophy of Collectivism.

Which the Fascists have in Common.

They both want to Sacrifice the Individual in the name of the Greater Good of their Collective.

You will be raked last.

From the perspective of the pre-communist state, it's an incredible rallying point. Propaganda begins. Ethnicity, sexuality, and gender are simple weapons to threaten by proxy, so the "win condition" for those groups becomes less unreachable due to the cognitive dissonance of a group - in propaganda.

These groups get played like puppets again and again by divide-and-conquer zionist jews before the "win condition" of a communist state is met. At this point, they're left with no choice but to face the natural progression of motivation borne by separate instances of cognitive dissonance.

Take for instance, kangs who fight tooth and nail to claim american indians were black.

And, if you follow Papa Yuri's dialogues, then comes the authoritative state in which things undesirable to the people (gays, or higher crime/lower IQ peoples like blacks) are considered a burden on the state and mass killings ensue. By this time, the propaganda will have much more extreme, violent rhetoric regarding those against the state and this cognitive dissonance will only reign in the "ruling parties".

Fags and niggers against the wall, they're a blight on the true "comrades".

Communism is a cancer.

Re: ultra-nationalism
Nah, senpai. Classical liberal (often confused for libertarian) here.

Look at how communists implement their "utopia"
>we all equal now
>except the farmers who own land
>Kill farmers, starve
>Can't have anyone questioning our perfect society
>Drive out/kill/imprison every smart person they can
>Completely ignore supply/demand paradigms
>Breadlines, more starving.

The temptation for the leading revolutionaries to fall into totalitarianism historically seems almost impossible to resist.

More practically trade embargoes from the capitalist world will condemn a revolutionary communist nation to starvation, which honestly seems like a really shitty time to me. I like not starving.

phoneposting, had to unleash that queso chicken Wendy's serves from my bowels.

I want to offer a personal critique as well, but Jesus god, this is the kind of hot snake that's gonna take some time to exorcise.

Communism is a great idea which is working, with robots and computers. Every part of your device receives just enough energy to do the job and don't brake.
With humans it is proven to fail for a simple reason: humans are passionate and greedy.

Forced collectivism, authoritarianism, suppression, almost inevitably ends in mass murder and confiscation of property. Yeah sounds real nice.

>ultra nationalism
No, just as stupid black and white thinking. "We are the best we can do no wrong every country belongs to us" is a retarded sentiment to have. Blind loyalty makes no sense.

The principle of elevating those in poverty and the destitute is good.

Communism, however, in every mechanism and every abstract framework it presents, doesn't actually seek to do this ultimately. Only superficially does communism seek to help the least of us. In reality, in its depraved materialism, it seeks only death and destruction. It only seeks to slaughter the rich, and then let the systems that the rich and intelligent put into place degrade, and then everybody is put into a pit of despair. The true goal is to allow the depraved agents of communism to indulge in every horrific vice as every system and person, religious and otherwise opposed, is annihilated.

It was made by a jew, and the spirit of communism is jewish. It is authored in truth by the synagogue of satan. That's why it only seeks depravity and death. The proposed "utopia" is simply a lie, and not the goal.

How'd it happen in Russia and China? That fall into temptation, I mean. I'm not as well read as I'd like to be, though the next book on the chopping block is "200 Years Together"

lurk moar

And humans aren't truly equal.
Everyone is different by definition, different traits, appearance, skills, abilities, attitudes, etc.
Communism's goal is to make everyone the same and have the same standards of living. This can't be done naturally, so it will require a lot of oppression to accomplish.

by the tree's fruits shall ye know it
look at those fruits
wanna live like that?

No financial incentive for innovation and individual corruption.

Hi Japan

I'd argue that the tense isn't accurate in that simile. Batteries distribute power in the same way gasoline fuels combustion engines. It moves laterally and/or down a list, rather than the resource being sourced from components, then redistributed back to the components. If anything, that simile could lend rhetoric to slavery.

it doesn't make sense

Given that communists are historically notorious for their lack of respect for property rights and self ownership and have been responsible for the greatest mass murders in recent human history, we can deduce that they do not apply rights such as self ownership to others or themselves. Furthermore this means that communists can not be considered moral agents one can not be considered a moral agent. If one does not have an ability to make a moral judgement. Since these moral relativists reject the notion of morality altogether we know they are incapable of acting in a moral fashion. In order for rights to exist between two or more beings there must exist some level of reciprocation of rights. Such is the minimum requirement for one to be considered a moral being. Communists are incapable of reciprocating rights as they do not believe such things exist. We can thus conclude that communists; being incapable of showing the characteristics of humanity, are therefore, for all intents and purposes, not human, and as such should be treated as dangerous primates

Commies and Fashies are lying scum who will quickly see you hung.

bump, more well-thought critique is good

Besides the fact that it doesnt work because the economic model is broken & real communism can never be achieved and the socialism that procedes it always collapses, there's many theoretical things wrong with communism.

First theres the concept of equality. Is equality actually a good thing? In my opinion, it is not. Inequality breeds hard work, gives people something to look up to, and is how humanity (and nature) has functioned ever since the inception. An ant colony is the pinnacle of inequality. The ant social structure is made out of soldiers, males, workers and the queen. Each are different and unequal.

As such, humans also specialize in things they are good at. And yes, "talent" does exist. Genetics plays a fairly large role in what you are good at& what you are interested in. So does your biological sex.

Communism sees this kind of hierarchy as oppresive and. However, i see it as the natural state of things.


Then the whole concept of utopia is also pretty sketchy... Imagine world peace.. no wars, a one world government where all people are free and everyone should be "happy". But will they actually be happy?

All the great battles have already been won, all the great decisions have already been made.. And now it's just existance, work and weekends to look forward to spend time with family&friends. No future to look upto, no stuggle, no improvements to be made to society, just a mere boring and lethargic existance of mediocrity.

What communist (and liberal) analysis doesn't understand is that humans dont just seek pleasure. Yes, there is a need to satisfy your basic needs drinking, sex, eating and then a whole bunch of needs. But that's not the only thing humans want. Humans also want struggle, self sacrifice. They want to be challenged, they want to make friends and have enemies. Look at how Sup Forums craves for happenings that in reality are tragic events. It's part of a profound human desire to be a part of something meaningful, greater.

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t.black hand

He was asking a question. If he wants to rebut or agree, that's his own shit.

Visit North Korea for a month and report back here with your assessment. It's important to get a first hand look. Then let us know how much you like dictatorship. K?

Because of the millions of goyim that the judeo-bolsheviks killed? Because they strip the people of all rights, including political representation? Because of the mass genocide? Because of the fact that it failed numerous times? Because they openly advocate violence against all non communists?

>So I'm curious. What's actually wrong with communism?
The short answer is that people suck. Someone will look around and see "well, this is a perfect system for me to take advantage of to make this entire group of people just work for me" and then they'll make that happen. Another factor is that people want to feel special which betrays the underlying concept of communism. Add in the social work principle (the more people that do a job the less efficiently it's done) and people looking over and seeing Susie gets her full rations just for cleaning windows while Billy has to dig ditches for 12 hours a day and it just doesn't work.

Ultranationalism isn't the way to go. It's tribalism 2.0 and makes the mistaken assumption that even enough people agree with the direction you want it to go for it to get it to go that way. The only way to go is extreme individualism.

(You)
This is why any sort of "utopia" is actually a dystopia. There can never be a finish line in human social development - for it is simply anti human. The whole concept of civilization that it is constantly changing, morphing.. Communism can never be the end of human social development. Even if communism is reached, eventually people will start to rebel againts it out of spite. Why? Because humans crave for struggle. This is something that is very politically incorrect, because to aknowledge that war&hate has a place in humanity is to go againts the comtemporary liberalism of today. Because just like communism, liberalism believes in the same "end of history" narrative. The idea that liberalism (and the current system) is the end of human political development. According to comtemporary liberals, there can be no innovation, no new political philosophy. And contemporary liberalism is the one and only legitimate political philosophy out there. Everything else is inferior. Nothing better will ever come out.

The only difference between them is that they see the road ending at a different place.

But this is an incredibly short-sighted, foolish and ignorant statement. For the diversity of human thought is endless, and new and old ways of law&culture&society are constantly being rediscovered and the old becomes new and vice versa. While the ignorant mind see's the past as horrible&bigoted&sexist&homophobic&racist or whatever the endless amount of idiotic terms and declares that the values they hold today is the "ultimate morality" which can neither be challenged nor changed., and whilst these ignoramuses condemm the past, the free-thinking mind looks at the past and present and seeks to constantly innovate. He looks at the past and applies it to the future.

You could say this is one of the reasons Trump got elected.. You see life at the "end of history" can be quite boring. There really isin't much to do.

Indeed, whig history is an illusion.

It's fundamental philosophical assumption is based upon an inaccurate hypothesis.

Marx opined that prehistoric man had no concept of personal or private property. The last 200 years of archaeology beg to differ.

Communism is for the weak-minded individual who is too afraid to face his fears and accept that he has faults. It means never having to stare down the beast inside that is eating your soul. It means never fighting back and becoming enlightened in the process.

>Even if communism is reached, eventually people will start to rebel againts it out of spite. Why? Because humans crave for struggle.

Not even a communist but stopped reading right here. It's like that episode of Powerpuff girls where Mojo Jojo wins and eventually brings back the heroes because he's 'bored'. How ignorant an idea that people will, eh, just get bored [shrugs intensely]

Boredom is the result of complacency, sure, but does boredom in paradise and boredom in the midst of world war II sound the same to you? contentedness is perhaps hard to teach people who are used to struggle, but once they establish that land and raise kids in it, why would the kids strive to make things worse?

absolute 80's saturday morning cartoon villain tier thinking

Are you 12 years old? I swear half the nazi larper idiots on this board are pre teens.

Communism is shit because you have to share with all the other retards, so in the end everyone feels ripped off and doesn't do shit, or they do a shitty job at what they're doing. You want the guy building a bridge to feel ripped off? and who the fuck decided that national socialism was right wing? Socialism is just commie light, same retarded shit. Nazi larpers are just share blue shills.

United States was an excellent system before Obamacare but that violated everyone's right to freedom. It can still be fixed but nowadays the tax man comes for you regardless of how little you make.

Threadly reminder that all yellow-flag posters are literally insane.


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>nazi larper

I don't think I ever said what I support you fucking idiot. The flag was there to cover up my nationality so people wouldn't think I was shitposting out of the blue.

Fuck off back to whatever hole you live in you dumb cunt. I'm a capitalist.

I didn't even look at your flag when I replied, didn't realize abbos could work a keyboard....uh how do I go about this...talking to an abbo....

HELLO
....
I AM A HUMAN
YOU UNDERSTAND?
YOU LIKE FOOD??
(Motions towards mouth)
FOOD?
(Gives abbo banana)
YES FOOD GOOD
IN TUM TUM

>Being an individual is insane

Holy shit, I never thought I would speak online with an insect! Are you a bee, or an ant?

WASP

>oh no I've been ousted i need to reply oh I know I'll insult him with a stereotype that'll work hurr durr i'll speak to him like he's a retard xddddd

Your failure to even accept your mistake on any level is sad. You offered no argument that was related to the issue at hand. Please commit die.

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Are you 12 years old? I swear half the nazi larper idiots on this board are pre teens.

Communism is shit because you have to share with all the other retards, so in the end everyone feels ripped off and doesn't do shit, or they do a shitty job at what they're doing. You want the guy building a bridge to feel ripped off? and who the fuck decided that national socialism was right wing? Socialism is just commie light, same retarded shit. Nazi larpers are just share blue shills.

United States was an excellent system before Obamacare but that violated everyone's right to freedom. It can still be fixed but nowadays the tax man comes for you regardless of how little you make.

Oh my god, you can copy and paste!

I was referring to when you were making fun of the aboniggers. You completely disregarded what I said and acted like a full-on retard.

Listen I'm sorry, I just learned a very hard lesson from being a hardcore liberal in the past that will probably kill me.

Leftism and gay acceptance is killing our country especially the west where I'm from. People don't know how bad it is out here. California is insane with aids acceptance and even has "poz bars" where aids gays meet up. There is also so much misinformation about aids and hiv out here that they will have you believe it's no worse than herpes. California especially SF Bay Area literally puts out ad campaigns about anti discrimination against people with aids like "you wouldn't shun someone with the flu..." and my liberal group of friends always talked about how aids is the burden of the gay man and being a fucking try hard liberal I was I thought my little stunt would earn me some brownie points but they literally do not tell you how bad hiv/aids is out here. Before pol two years ago I was really bad. I went so far down the rabbit hole I convinced myself that I should succumb to a black bull and that AIDS was something of a burden that I should take on as a white man, like I could do something about it. So I let a nigger poz me up and now I will truly pay the price for my false beliefs. I do not have health insurance bc Obamacare so I am likely to get some kind of benign infection on the next few years that will kill me. I paid the toll I suppose. Our society is corrupted and wants you to think getting aids from n a black man is progressive

communism is based on dehumanizing large groups of people so you can kill them off to maintain power

Know why people hate commies? They're those people that refuse to recognize that their ideas are retarded, because they imagine them necessary/inevitable.
>Martin Heidegger
>Oswald Spengler
>Nietzsche
>Ayn Rand
No one likes you faggots, but you think you Marx hasn't been reasonably and empirically disproved, thoroughly.

Off to the gulag with you

Do you really think war is a necessary aspect of the human experience?

>he's salty
Thanks for the salt, user.! Your delivery came right on schedule!

Communism is shit in theory and in practice. Anybody who tells you it's only good in theory lack any real understanding of justice.

>he doesn't know what collectivism is
Congratulations on shwoing everybody how stupid you are.

Yes, the failure rate is pretty spectacular, not only that but it fails to take into account human nature, human beings will not tolerate equality because most all of us have a desire for more stuff, or self improvement, or to be unique. This is why ever communist government is so incredibly, spectacularly corrupt, because the humans empowered to ensure "equality" are tempted to just steal the resources for themselves instead, and generally they do. It also has a lot to do with the instability of the revolution>dictatorship>revolution cycle which produces unstable government structures prone to purging and more revolutions. In a dictatorship the primary goal may be to get things done, but it inevitably turns into keeping your advisers and generals happy so they don't string you up.
Different user, it doesn't necessarily have to be literal war where one group tries to exterminate the other due to threat or desire for resources. War in the sense of conflict between groups and individuals, and competition between groups and individuals is however absolutely necessary for survival.

The core mistake anarcho capitalists make is that they forget the existence of the society. Society exists and it is not just a collective of individuals, it's a real living breathing entity. And in order for society to progress everyone needs to be in, you can't just separate and leech off of it but call yourself an "independent individual"

The real leechers in any society are the capitalists/libertarians, they are the ones that claim to be individuals while enjoying all the benefits society as a whole provide .You are part of the society and as everyone else you have a duty towards the people.

There have been instances where I could barely reason with even Fascists on some topics, but in my eyes capitalists and people who unironically praise neo-liberalism are the lowest scum that should be hanged

The only way to go is Queer Shinobi Marxism

Stalin and Mao.

Do you tire of being a materialistic nigger?

>materialistic
>communist
Kill your self retard

>being a communist
>not being a dialectic materialist
>dialectic materialists are materialists

pick one, you can't have both

i have lots of money i want to keep it

the core idea is noble:to everyone by their needs. The issue is: my "need" is black caviar in the morning and a glass of champagne. I'm pretty sure you get the drift.
That's the reason equalty of opportunity is the most achievable, that's why US of A is so great, till left decided that we have provide equality of results...

niggers

This. Its not the redistribution of wealth and knowledge, its the redistribution of poverty and stupidity.

>keeping money
Thats un-American of you.

>Dialectic materialism = materialism
Bwhahahahaah, get educated you retarded faggot


>Materialism
Philosophy that values material possessions and values more than spiritual ones
>Dialectic materialism
Philosophical theory that argues that every historical event is a result of a series of conflicts that arise from social contradictions.
The "materialism" stands there because the theory suggests that these conflicts and contradictions are of material kind (economic problems for example)


Take a rope and neck yourself idiot. If you don't know what something is than you probably shouldn't discuss it you nigger

>The redistribution of money and resources will bring about utopia
>not materialistic

everyone dies. and the jews walk away clean.

I would disagree... on other hand communism as we know it is technically a whole country with each member is a "slavery".

nice digits.

>choosing spritual possessions over material possessions.
Islam does not work for everyone mohammad.

Would you let us know how did you acquire this money fine gentleman ?

Do any of you fags know what being materialistic even means

N E C K Y O U R S E L F

>communist
>religion

K

It doesn't take in account how human motivation and satisfaction works and lack of resources. The idea is good though.

>spiritual possessions
>communism
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The human race doesn't need to be controlled and regulated. especially not by an (((government))). Survival of the fittest is the game we are supposed to play. Rise above the competition or get trampled.

Better dead than Red.

>Philosophy that values material possessions and values more than spiritual ones

WRONG

Materialism is the belief nothing exists but the material.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materialism

>Philosophical theory that argues that every historical event is a result of a series of conflicts that arise from social contradictions.
>The "materialism" stands there because the theory suggests that these conflicts and contradictions are of material kind (economic problems for example)

Materialism is there because Dialectic Materialism necessitates belief in only physical causes.

Pls learn about philosophy before you start losing arguments about definitions on the internet.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materialism

You got me there m8, hands down, but regardless you said "materialistic" in every post

Being materialistic and being a materialist is not the same. Materialistic = to value material possessions more than spiritual
Yea, I might be an materialist piece of shit, but I am definitely not materialistic

>what's wrong with communism

It doesn't work and anyone that is not a star eyed propagandist can tell and as such eventually all communist attempts get taken over by slightly less retarded people but with less scruples as well.

He never mentioned "materialistic" in any of his 3 posts, faggot.
You lose.

>you said "materialistic" in every post

WRONG

I never once said materialistic. I said Materialist. A Materialist is someone who believes in Materialism.

KEK. Leftypol is retarded.

>Materialistic = to value material possessions more than spiritual
Again

Welp, guese lefty/pol/ gets BTFO by posts and digits as usual

>he actually did

do you even know what having food on the shelves means?
NECK YOURSELF

Forgot the pic

>Being incapable of looking at IDs

Communism always fails because it is anti-specialization, and thus anti-civilization. It claims it just wants equal compensation for work essentially, which on its own is obviously not possible, but it doesn't matter anyway because its just a lie to make communism easier to swallow for the masses. Really, its people who feel inadequate in their lives, and with no greater purpose in them, wanting to bring everyone down to their level to feel better about themselves. The mindset required to really believe in this shit, is straight up anti-life. Like Nietzche said about killing God, how then do we live up to that? How do we wash the blood off our hands? Communists are basically people who can't handle that; missing a greater meaning, they seek to destroy ALL meaning. Read Dostoyevsky's Demons (sometimes The Possessed), you will see the effete bourgeois liberal and the rabble rousing street punk commy both utterly dissected and destroyed. And you will recognize that the people who destroyed Russia are just like our current crop in the West.

>can't read ID's
It's impossible to be a materialist and not be materialistic since there are not metaphysical reasons to value anything other than the material.

>So I'm curious. What's actually wrong with communism?
It's Jewish.

>Also, just another question: is ultra-nationalism the way to go?
Fascism/National Socialism is the way to go.

Communists are admitted materialist degenerates /end