>f-fuck optics
>the only way t-to win is to display our true power
>who cares if I make sympathetic normies recoil at our otherwise legitimate message?
>surely they'll watch this 6 hour youtube video, then they'll understand!
>zieg heil!
>*tips stahlhelm*
Why do these betas insist on worshiping the flag of a foreign government? Worse than kekistanis -- at least kekfaggots are just stupid muds who don't have a stake in building a legit white movement.
I want edgetarians to leave.
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The only way to win is to assemble a new ruling class of real elites to replace the current one of degenerate elites. End. Anything you do that goes against this goal is leftism
>The only way to win is to assemble a new ruling class of real elites to replace the current one of degenerate jews
FIFY
Yeah and you do that by having high-agency respectable white men sympathize with your cause, not by larping as trailer park shit.
The symbol and aesthetic are tainted permanently. There is no need to fight that battle unless you're in this for edgy fashion and not to win.
Spend less time worrying about what other people do and more time doing the best you can.
Yes some things are bad for "optics", but you know what is worse for optics? Endless blackpilling and disavowing and fucking about it. Notice how the left doesn't do that even when people on their side are throwing acid bombs and shooting cops? They do this because they know that playing by the enemies rules and accepting his terms means you've just gone and given him a weakspot to attack
The only people I'm disavowing are 8pol tier larper fags who don't want to win. The right wing is supposed to be about nationalism and traditionalism. These people flying a foreign flag solely because it makes people butthurt or makes them feel like a rebel are neither. They don't actually stand for anything other than their own ego. It's detrimental to the nation. I'll sure as shit mock it for what it is, same as I'd tell any fat guy to stay away from public events.
>not by larping as trailer park shit
Nationalists are not LARPing, I for one am sick of this socialist/commie shit. Even here in cuckistan we are well armed and /fit
>>surely they'll watch this 6 hour youtube video, then they'll understand!
>Nationalists
>Flying a foreign flag
I'm talking about swastikafags, not you.
Congrats on doing antifa's work for them I guess? You claim to care about optics but you don't see how attacking your own side (and a tiny, tiny minority of your own side - there were maybe half a dozen people from the NSM out of thousands at Charlottesville) looks.
Don't like them? Ignore them - there's so few its not exactly hard
1488 online = Ok
1488 offline = CIA
>Notice how the left doesn't do that even when people on their side are throwing acid bombs and shooting cops?
Because the media and public opinion is already on their side
The left doesn't have to care about optics because they control the entire media apparatus. They DO care about optics -- they cut their bad elements out of footage or outright deny their existence. They have the tools (the media apparatus) to do so. We don't. We can't splice the swastika banner out of photos like they can splice out commie flags. If we controlled the media I wouldn't give two shits about swastikas. We don't, so we have to police our own optics in other ways.
I agreed with this until Charlottesville. There's morons on here who can't tell the difference between the internet, where you have plausible deniability that it's just edgeposting trolling, and real life.
>1 nazi takes out a thug at a riot
>The right is apologetic, tries to explain away what happened - Everyone from mainstream conservatives to liberals violently denounce them and say they need to be eradicated from the earth
>Muslims mow down 16 innocent people including children minding their own business and are completely unapologetic and proud
>Mainstream conservatives and liberals don't even mention Islam, let alone condemn it violently
Hmmmmmm.
Looking at UTR, I dont think enough nazifags had teeth to meet the dental requirements of the CIA.
13 teeth total across all of them
Yeah it's hypocritical. Newsflash: our enemies don't give two shits about being hypocrits. Work with the world as it is, not as it should be.
Your right. I agree with you that we need to tidy up the movement and it sucks because we have to be way more cautious about our retards when we don't hold the narrative and media control that the left does
>talking about swastikafags
People fly them just to piss other people off, my nieghbour has had one outside his house for years, even I have a NAZI panzer division flag I bought while drunk (but I don't actually hang it out front my house). It's got to the point here that even flying our pre-1965 flag gets you labeled a fascist
Do you want to piss people off, or do you want to win? That's the question of the thread.
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>police our optic
People on our side (or who are sympathetic to us) don't care what the media has to say, because it will lie 100% of the time and call us evil neo-Nazis anyway. There is nothing uniquely evil or strange or worthy of condemnation about the swastika, by accepting the narrative that there is you're playing a rigged game. Ignore it and push the message, anyone who is capable of thinking is not going to be scared off by a couple of flags. He's much more likely to be put off by cucking and disavowing and navel gazing bullshit
Yeah basically this except we still need a pro-white/white nationalist movement that openly denounces and rejects neo-nazism, fascism, white supremacy, antisemitism, racism and hatred of any sort.
This
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Not sure if you're shilling or just a complete retard, but there have been plenty of groups like that before
Guess what - they were still called evil Nazis and attacked as viciously as they would have been if they were waving swastika flags
>People on our side
Yeah, I'm aware. Going in public isn't for the people on our side though, it's for the fence sitters or to move the narrative.
You make a legit case for why the swastika isn't uniquely evil, but again I ask: why is this the battle you want to fight? We could (a) fight for white identity and white rights and white nations and/or (b) fight to relegitimize the symbol of a past foreign government. Why do you care about the latter if it even possibly hurts the odds of winning former in any way (which it does)?
Which is more important? Getting out the truth, or saving white people?
>Do you want to piss people off, or do you want to win?
Really not much difference these days, you'd never see me in a dodge charger running people over, but I does suck my vote counts for shit (Im in a rural county)
The left will always call us evil Nazis, you're right. But for Joe watching the footage at home, he's able to scoff this off as overblown bullshit as long as their aren't toothless rednecks flying the flag of a foreign nation on his screen.
And that's another issue: White Nationalism 1.0 further tainted it even beyond "le ebil nazis." They made it not just a symbol you're taught since 6 years old to reject, but they also made it low class. No one wants to be low class. White nationalism and race realism need to be made high class, and you can't do that with swastikas anymore than you can with wife beaters and suspenders or white hoods. It's tainted as trash. Again, why do you want to fight the battle to change that perception?
It was implied, I like to let our nonJQd friends feel involved
On a semi related note do you ever get pissed off at how Hitler and the nazis went full fucking retard and ruined the movement? I unironically do
Why is this the battle you want to fight? No one except the people that are going to hate you anyway. If the average man in the street sees someone waving a swastika the worse they are likely to think is
>lol what a dickhead
You can find so many more worse things at any leftist rally, and the way they deal with them is not to deal with them. Why can't we do the same? There will *always* be fringe elements involved in any sort of movement, it"s not worth losing sleep over
>Why do these betas insist on worshiping the flag of a foreign government?
They've been dooped by the Jews into becoming Neo-Nazis. And the FEDS want them to commit false flags.
As far as NatSoc it should become a spiritual movement not political or street violence. The original NatSoc were either high intellectuals or military officers. We have niether on Sup Forums.
>fight the battle
The only one who is talking about fighting any sort of battle is you, I am suggesting live and let live
There was no "movement" before Hitler you kike worshiper. Stalin would of taken Germany and that's it. And no one would of exposed the Jew World Order.
But NatSoc weren't a bunch of retarded larping kids and gang members and FEDs following a National Bolshivik like Spencer into a false flag.
>There was no "movement" before Hitler you kike worshiper.
Yea keep worshipping a failed autistic artist dumb fuck. God I'm sick of autists like you, I'm talking about the european conservative philosophy that built great european empires not some autistic shithead whose empire survive 5 years
the worse they are likely to think is "wow what a toothless low-class redneck. I, as a social creature, would not want to be associated with someone so low class anymore than I would want to be seen shitting myself on a walmart scooter."
>Why can't we do the same?
We don't control the narrative. Stop thinking in terms of "it's not fair." Hypocrisy does not fucking matter. Play to win.
What do we BENEFIT from using or even allowing Nazi imagery at pro-white events? We benefit from talking about Jewish power, about racial differences in IQ, about anarcho-tyranny in treatment of whites. We don't benefit from le swastika.
Why aren't you replying to me? You know what, fuck you and fuck your stupid fucking thread. Go head and ramble to the retards who don't give two shits about your strategies and ideas, you just lost your only supporter ITT, shit head.
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Why would I reply to you when we're on the same team? Holy shit man, get a grip? You want an attaboy? Gg, I agree with your posts. :)
There are multitudes of brash, simple minds in every group that tarnish it irreparably for all others. It's noble and NECESSARY to have a respectable appearance, but it's insane to think squeaky cleanliness is possible. There will always be morons, especially in this day and age. You can't micromanage everyone everywhere every time.
Modern media is a sword forged in the pits of hell itself and it was honed for this very purpose. By our former president, no less.
Be vigilant, improve, any way you can.
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ywm
It's not really a benefit.
When Charlottesville happened, why do you think the first thing the media did was ask every Tom, Dick and Harry from Trump on down to condemn and disavow? Because they had the best interests of the movement at heart?
Of course not: because they know that once you accept their narrative they have you.
I can't believe that it's current year after Trump showed that the only way to win against these vultures was not to play their games and we still have people telling us to do what the media is telling us to do
>squeaky cleanliness
"No swastikas and no fatties. You hurt more than help." is all I'm asking for. Isn't the right supposed to be about hierarchy and order? if we can't impose some social stigmas for the good of the movement, how the fuck do we expect to govern society if we ever took power?
Now it's considered faggy and misogynistic to have male spaces and brotherhood. If men can't organize, they can only adapt to the status quo. The only elite will be your wife and your boss.
I agree with you in principle. If there was any benefit whatsoever to displaying the swastika other than "these fat weird guys really like it" I'd agree with you. But that's not the case.
All I'm asking for is to quit this navel gazing bullshit. Half a dozen people among 6,000 is not worth wasting one second of worry about.
Instead focus on the fact that 6,000 people were gathered in the first place
I hope we can achieve that, but realistically it simply doesn't matter. It sounds cynical as all he'll but we won't be winning the media war anytime soon. All it takes is David Duke showing support.
We really do just need a solid cockslap to the power structure, something monstrously crippling, proof of sickening corruption.
Sorry, but a chain is only as strong as it weakest link. With that kind of logic we can just ignore the jews because they're just 2% of the population. Fat swastika retards have to be purged, have some standards.