From last thread where Jordan Peterson says you can beat leftists by playing at their identity politics game.
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He's not saying "don't work together", he's saying if you get tricked into making this about race like the left is doing, you WILL LOSE. THEY created that frame, they created that game, and the game is rigged. THEY created identity politics rules SO THEY COULD WIN. This is why Charlottesville was an epic fuckup by the alt right, it played right into their hands (though Trump's politi-jitsu managed to salvage something). We (defining we as trump supporters for now) should absolutely work together, but continue to completely shun, mock, and ridicule identity politics while focusing on real issues. I can't tell if the people saying "fuck Peterson we should fight them on their terms" are shills / from alt-leftypol, or are actually just fucking retarded.
Jordan Peterson: Don't play identity politics if you want to win
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i can't stand this retard. he's a disingenuous narcissist. he video about "Hitler Was More Evil Than We Thought" is pathetic. His videos on Christian theology are heretical.
and he's just plain dishonest, just like Ben Shapiro. While professing to want to save Western civilization, he simultaneously rejects every attempt to preserve the white majority in the West because "MUH IDENTITY POLITICS IS BAD FOR IMAGE".
without white people, Western civilization and liberal/libertarian society is gone. it's over. it's not like Hispanics and blacks vote 60% democrat and can be swayed with smart campaigning... no, they vote 95% democrat/anti-white. there is no coming back after losing a white majority.
these dumb fucks need to understand that. rejecting white identity politics is anti-white and this retard needs to get on the case.
>Trump's politi-jitsu
I cringed when i read this
These guys don't get it
Identity politics are literally what won trump the election. White identity united republicans far better than any other issues could have.
>THEY created identity politics
No. Identity politics is a natural outcome for a multi-ethnic society. By refusing to engage in it you're putting yourself at a disadvantage.
Actually cringed, or just thought "i can write how I cringed at this instead of actually forming a coherent counter-argument"?
Jordan Peterson is an honorable person who has helped me orient my life, but he has said that we should be grateful for Jewish dominance because they're smarter than us, and that most of his friends are Jews. He's like 300 years old and faps to tragedy porn about the nazis and communists daily so I doubt he's gonna change his mind on this. The notion that identity politics was created recently should be laughed at. Segregation and slavery are identity politics. Jim crow and anti-miscegnation laws too. Even repelling a foreign invasion is identity politics. WWII propaganda on all sides was prominently "identitarian". The tribe, the model from which the nation emerged, is based on kinship and common ancestry. We won at "identity politics" before, dominated actually, and for a great amount of time. I will continue to advocate for identity politics.
He knows the game and its rules. You gotta be smart about it. But edgy kiddos aren't smart
Yep. Identity politics is inevitable and ignoring it will cause you to be crushed by it.
What possibly makes you think that? Trump didn't once, ever, bring up 'white identity', or group his opponents into racial groups (national groups maybe). This is just some post hoc bullshit.
>Larpers are trying to make white identity a thing, and Trump won the last election, so it must have been caused by trump winning the election.
The point is not whether white pride is good or bad, the point is that I want to 'win' the cultural war against these fucking scum leftists as much as you, and playing their game plays right into their hands.
>His videos on Christian theology are heretical.
In what way? I honestly wanted to watch some, but only watched his vids on sociological issues
No he won with the western identity. Black people voted for Trump, Mexicans voted for Trump. Holy shit how out of touch are you guys? Trump won because he wanted to put America first and drain the swamp of our shitty politician's.
closed borders, a wall and muslim deportation is identity politics. the problem with immigration isn't legality, it's the fact that they're even coming here to begin with. if you think white nationalists and alt-righters voted trump for any OTHER reason than the fact that his policies aligned with identity politics, you're delusional. obviously Trump isn't gonna boast about that publicly, but he exploited that vein of thinking.
Hahahahahahahahaha okay buddy. Go look at voting patterns for the election you fucking retard
>Black people voted for Trump, Mexicans voted for Trump
just shut the fuck up
It is definitely not "natural", at least on an individual level. Put a group of multi-ethnic kids in school together and they don't start fucking genociding the minorities. they don't even think about skin color past asking "why is their skin different color" until adults 'educate' them.
He's not even playing the same game as us. His stated goal is to reduce suffering. He has more in common with Mouthy Buddha than Jared Taylor.
You're the worst kind of American. The American who thinks they know everything about anything they feel strongly about.
>Holy shit how out of touch are you guys?
Lol
>. if you think white nationalists and alt-righters voted trump for any OTHER reason than the fact that his policies aligned with identity politics, you're delusional.
this
Sadly seems to be true.
>he video about "Hitler Was More Evil Than We Thought" is pathetic
It literally contradicts the narrative by playing it out, why would Hitler spend dwindling resources to kill jews? The answer is simple either he's an evil idiot or he didn't, JPB is doing everything but naming the jew
kys faggot
Absolute bullshit. Kids self segregate hard as fuck. There is the black table, the ese table and the asian table. I went to a shit ton of multiculti schools i know how it goes, faggot
What about the black people who voted for him.
How do you account for BigJoe?
You can't ignore it when your media overlords say it.
Even babies are racist you bluepilled mongoloid
"Infants aged 15 months normally choose a playmate who is perceived as being fair, sharing toys equally for example, regardless of that person’s colour.
But if a baby sees a person of the same race as them unfairly distribute toys in a way that benefits another of their race then the baby wants to be playmates with that person.
Babies are also more likely to help those of their ethnicity, an effect known as in-group bias, where people favour those with the same characteristics."
Typical leaf whining about Americans rather than contesting the point of the American.
you don't seriously think peterson is redpilled on the jewish question? he's an alt-lite cuckservative at best. promoting the West without promoting white majority is lunacy. he'll avoid the topic for fear of racism.... or he's just really believes the shit he spews.
On the contrary, play divide and conquer to the max if you want to win.
>He actually thinks that 63 million voting Americans are all white nationalists
Your tablescraps from a few key minorities doesnt mean shit compared to the aggregate. Your gaslighting dont work here
Identity politics is making things about identity that shouldn't be. Those issues you mentioned are about protecting our borders and our people, the LEFT is making them about identity, and you've accepted that frame it seems.
> Begin to respond-
> Check Flag
> Relax. Smile. Laugh.
A fucking leaf.
You guys are just as obsessed with race as the SJW types. Y'all all deluded yourselves into thinking your right, and come here everyday to reaffirm your bias, and it's utterly pathetic. I'll never understand why you, and the social justice losers are obsessed with race and identity. Like do you seriously believe that we established western civilization because we have the right skin tone? Or could it be the ideas we had developed through certain experiences? Probably the latter. And the best part about everything that's happened is you haven't even helped us, you've now confirmed to the normie sheeple that there still are racist white people and they WILL generalize that to all of us. Hope your autistic larping was worth damning all of us in the process, fckn sheep.
>he doesnt think voting for the guy who called mexicans rapists and wants to build a wall isnt implicit white nationalism
AFAIK, he got a higher percentage of both groups than any previous republican
Also
He acknowledges Europe is done for. Acknowledges tribalism is normal and instinctual. Makes you think. Most of his friends are Jewish.He hates nationalism. Makes you think.
Peterson loves Jews. He's a race traitor to the core.
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>a crypto-Jew politely asks the goyim to forswear identity politics, which have enriched his tribe so much over the years
Hypocrite.
In a multiracial society, all politics is identity politics. Idealists like Peterson are deluded.
>western civilization because we have the right skin tone
You are ignorant as fuck if you unironically think race and the history of our civilization is that shallow. Jesus FUCKING Christ read a fucking book, just ONE book for once in your life fucking God damn you are a bluepilled fucking retard.
>skin tone
fuck off
So he went from a few crumbs to a few crumbs more? What even is your point?
Western identify is white identity. Some black people and wetbacks (very few in fact) are just smart enough to realize leaving whitey in charge is in their best interest.
Well then how do you account for his victory I the elections, and that far and wide black people celebrated his rise into office? Or were you at those depressing Starbucks events crying into your effeminate elbows all day?
Your head is so far up your ass you can't tell who's a Trump voter and who isnt. Not without race and skin color. Which is racist and biased.
Then again I expected too much when I expected intelligence from shitposters.
Exactly. Alt-right larping faggots want to make this about them and their 'movement', and all it's doing is making life harder for Trump.
Trump won the electoral college vote because of white people in the midwest you utter retard. Even Trump's civic nationalist rhetoric was implicitly white.
You need to fuck off to /r/the_donald to jerk off to based black guys in maga hats. Retards like you don't belong here.
I don't see how you win against a pack being a lone wolf
>Being this young
>taking political advice from a radical centrist cuck
it's like you faggots wanna loose
yeah but people don't want to feel racist even if they are. What they want is a politicon to wrap it in something else.
Do white people not want their country flooded with mexicans? ofcourse not, but they don't want you to say mexicans are awful because genetically native americans are dumber and more violent than white people.
what they want is to be told these people are criminals because they broke our laws to get into this country, so they need to be removed.
Trump did that, hence he won the election
>F-fuckin sheep going against the biggest artificial taboo of our time! My wife's black son is just as smart as my wife's white son!
>LEFTISTS ARE THE REAL RACISTS
The idea that the left is identitarian is not even true. The left is all about erasing racial identity and looking past biological boundaries (race and gender). The fact that the left focuses partially on race is because they perceive society to be inherently un-equal for non-whites, so they focus on non-white struggles against a system "run by white racists" -- but their model world is completely non-racial.
What you need to understand is that Western society and civilization in general can only survive if whites maintain control. That's an objective fact. If you want the West to survive, you better damn promote a white majority. If you don't, you're ANTI-west.
>says trump called mexicans racists and wants to be taken seriously
>Which is racist and biased
A fucking leaf
Youre right being a minority is exactly what the majority white population had in mind when they voted for the guy whose main point was to build a wall and deport them all.
Which was still tiny as fuck and not nearly enough to win. We're talking low single digit gains vs. Romney.
Whites need to practice some ethnic solidarity, or we aren't going to have nations anymore. Western civilization is a product of the European man and if he becomes a minority it will be destroyed.
But it's not about being a lone wolf user. It's about being individual and self sufficient but also about being a unified people.
Meh. Not a jew, and the jewish issue is something i haven't been redpilled on yet. Doesn't seem like a crazy idea. But it's also not 100% relevant to the point.
>a fucking LEAF
There it is. Shill is out of ammo and all it took was one fact check on Google. GG ezpz
>While professing to want to save Western civilization, he simultaneously rejects every attempt to preserve the white majority in the West
you're just as braindead as neo commies I swear
Then you dont know shit. If you havent read Culture of Critique you shouldnt ever post here again. Youre like a blind retard grasping at the dark if you dont actually have information and knowledge with you.
>radical
>centrist
He names the author of 200 years together alot and dodges the question if he's read it by saying there's no translation
He's not prepared to lose everything he's built is all and it's funny a memeflag is calling someone else a coward, if you watch the video you have to pick is he a stupid idiot or is the narrative a lie? It's pretty fucking obvious and idiot couldn't pull off what Hitler did, I don't give a fuck if he's alt-light he's valuable and far better for transition than most of the altlight skeptic types
>"Anti-semite? Most of my friends are jews"
You can have black friends and still think they should be deported, you would say the same you don't say you want the jews gassed in public with a camera on you do you?
I'll check it out, but again it doesn't seem entirely relevant to this topic.
I don't have any issue with that.
Watch Kevin McDonald's interview on Red Ice, "The Importance of Understanding the JQ" and don't post again until you have.
>niggers and spics who vote 95% socialist will preserve white civilization
Fuck off kraut
Thinking blacks voted for him. they know the welfare is keeping them on the leash.
peterson is a clinical psych professor not a nationbuilder or scholar of civilization
who fucking cares what he think
niggers muslims and jees will die. period
we dont need a frame. we have rifles.
I didn't say he's not valuable, he's obviously a driving force. I also don't think he's a coward, going public on racial issues or the kike obviously entails real life dangers. He's good at what he does.. still, don't gobble it all up without a grain of salt.
If I want to tell my opponent their race argument is non-sequitur, I have to abandon my race arguments. Really fuckin plain and simple.
He's literally never said anything negative about Jews and goes out of his way to say "Judaeo-Christian" rather than just "Christian". Don't be so eager to hope.
>muh based 10% of minorities that don't hate us will save us
You need to go examine some statistics about these people's opinions very closely and then come back when you aren't a massive retard.
>he's saying if you get tricked into making this about race like the left is doing, you WILL LOSE
Stfu with this meme. White people are being all over the world by non-whites. We are the only ones standing up for these victims. That is the entire purpose of this cause. Maybe you came he because of "muh feminists" or some shit like that, but most are here because of injustice against white people----even if they're unable to articulate as clearly as I do.
Boomers need to die already. Or we can speed the process up. I can't wait to cut their pensions and starve them slowly to death.
not gonna happen. there will be xivil war or they will put you in a workcamp to pay for their pensions
we dont get to starve them. its kill or be killed
You're responding to a retard, he just screams out his kneejerk reactions whenever his chest gets tight.
Watch them for yourself, they are just an evolutionary study of the truth of the Bible.
No it's fucking not. Western values! Capitalism! Closed borders! White mfers didn't get him elected alone you pissant. Being white is fucking nothing. Being morally superior and truthful is everything
Spooks and other boomer and gen x cancer will surely try to shut us all down for shekels, but at this point doing so will only seal their fate and awaken a giant.
Why is everyone treating this guy as if he's some sort of prophet with sacred knowledge?
>don't care about race goyim
I don't think he understands that it is 'that' bad yet. He probably thinks the way to win is by having a centre-right position which values individualism and personal responsibility as opposed.to the collectivism of the left. He thinks that all problems can be solved if we take this individualist approach and not fall victim to some identity politics approach. His argument makes sense from one view, but when you take into account the massive demographic changes we are going through then this approach will not be enough since non-whites and white liberal cucks will one day outnumber us demographically and normal white conservatives will never be able to win an election ever again.
It's funny because majority of his followers are actually white identitarians or collectivist minded, and what he appears to be explaining is the degeneracy of the collectivism of the left instifling free speech and then atteibuting what he thinks of this to collectivism of the right which he thinks is just as bad, if not just as bad as Nazi Germany.
their plan was to flood us. it would have worked.
at this rate though the u.s. might actually collapse without whites being a minority so long as we can deport taconiggers
gunning them down at that point is easy. theb we can invade europe
if i am gonna get shot in a war i demand a tall high iq blonde virgin
>he simultaneously rejects every attempt to preserve the white majority
he's said that explicitly that there is absolutely nothing wrong with opposing immigration
The Libertarian Right is the only political right-leaning choice that can survive the lefts onslaught.
JBP and his friends got their asses handed to them in the academic arena for the past 40 years.
He can barely lecture in his own university,
he is banned from campuses regularly,
he failed to stop legislation that will put him in jail for saying the wrong pronouns.
But sure, lets listen to him about how to win.
Once we are all fucked like he was, we can start our own patreons and pass the same 5 bucks around.
To be fair, he does believe that a country is created by its people, and if a country is anti-Western, then they probably shouldn't be allowed in. Besides, you can't pretend the left isn't white, too. If all the minorities were gone, they'd just be enticed again to let them in because they'd be removed from their shit culture.
he is a university professor. OF COURSE he doesnt realize how bad it is. classic boomer. if he doesnt shut his fucking mouth about race someone ia going to curb atomp his stupid skull for ignoring our suffering
I don't think so. Identity politics is the only force in a multicultural society. If they keep doing it, and we're the only group that doesn't, they're going to beat us every time.
I wish people could understand this. It's so simple.
spot on
Sadly the adoration and neetbucks of thousands of losers will prevent any sort of introspection.
In fact I bet he feels like a fucking winner.
>This is why Charlottesville was an epic fuckup by the alt right,
Alt right is a controlled opposition group that serves as a strawman for Trump Supporters, they've been sculpting the silhouette of the alt-right as Nazis for months now in an effort of taking us out.
We do not attend rallies, we have jobs.
>YOU LOSE
>THEY WIN
Who is (You) and who is ((They))?
This is how we play the game. We are BOTH and we aim to lose. You think I'm gone if the whole world sides with Alt-Left? No, then we are Alt-Left, since that's where the power of identity is. We just continue doing what we always do under different mask. As long as the power belongs to the people, it belongs into our hands.
> also about being a unified people.
What unified people? Every time we try to Unify the media literally loses their minds. No, I think Sup Forumscolony is the right course of action, our enemies shit their pants anytime, even an indication it's happening appears
Not really. When the commies run around drilling it into the minds of everyone that whites are evil racist Nazis the last thing you want to do is go out en masse and CONFIRM everything they are saying.
>see: Charlottesville
When they bait you into playing their game all you do is confirm. their rhetoric and you give them A LOT of political munitions.
Just look at what has all happened after Charlottesville, loads of statues are being removed, and now they are trying to rewrite everything including street names and they are fucking getting away with it.
>Haha one guy couldn't stop the entire elite communist cabal all by himself what a LOSER haha
kys
boomer mindset in a nutshell.
your clever orwell quote is 30 iq points above 70% of the country
the only way theyll understand is with a bullet in their head
lets avail them sooner rather than later
>JBP and his friends
literally the 4th word
of course a fucking leaf is being fucking retarded on Sup Forums
Identity politics is the way to lose and the thing that lost the dems the election. It devolves into purity spiraling and an autistic fixation on race/gender/other bullshit that screams mentally ill basement dweller. Trump won because more niggers and spics voted for him than generally vote for Republicans. Unironic nazis/white suprematists are our version of the left's whiny genderqueerkin SJWs that drove the masses away.
The way to beat the left is to make them follow their own rules off a cliff. Trump realizes this which is why he threw in that bit about Washington and Jefferson being slaveowners. All it takes is one PoC to say "yeah we should tear down their statue" and the left has no choice but to follow them, otherwise they get accused of using their white privilege to be selectively racist. Like, I've pretty much gotten every SJW I know to reluctantly agree that those monuments should be torn down by using that logic. Now you're gonna have mainstream leftists unironically trying to outvirtue signal each other by wanting to destroy everything dealing with the founding fathers. That's a bigger red pill for mainstream people than anything the left did during the 2016 election.
The answer isn't to be all "two can play that game" and start tearing down their Lenin statues and shit, but to make fun of their Lenin statues while pointing out that you don't believe in tearing down statues whose history you disagree with because that's prehistoric tribal tier bullshit where every new ooga booga that conquered the land purged reminders of everything that came before him.
The only way Trump can lose is if we outchimp the left by publically being 1488. The best thing we can do is publicly beat Spencer half to death to show that we are fed up with his larping shit that only serves the leftists.
the only way to win is with bullets
you do not "win" if a murderer temporarily fails to kick down your door