After recent events, I think we can all agree that the use of Nazi symbolism just won't work. Even 2-3 guys with swastikas will ruin it for an entire rally. But too many forget- what about our own history? The left is always guilt shaming us for America's racist past, reminding young students that the framers of the Constitution were white racists, and that not a single President until JFK believed that all races were the same and equal(ironically he praised Hitler in his diaries). Why not embrace this image, and adopt it in our ideology? They've set it all up for us. We have a great opportunity to use this for white nationalism, but instead, some still think it very necessary to keep a National Socialist approach, despite the fact that this isn't even Germany.
Typical leftist: It's un-American.White nationalism is not apart of our history and heritage.
honestly, i think the best thing to do would to a total rebranding of the movement. too many people at this point associate the Alt-Right with nazism that a makeover probably won't change people's minds
Landon Russell
seeing things from over here in the uk i can agree that it's not a good look. it doesnt garner any sympathy over seas. people see nazi fags and just switch off mentally. a rebranding would be good
Zachary Walker
>Even 2-3 guys with swastikas will ruin it for an entire rally. THEN I GUESS WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY MORE RALLIES AMRITE?
This is their current psyop, friends. Take note.
Jacob Ramirez
what?
Angel Allen
yeah and ur doing exactly what they want you to do rn
Mason Edwards
>Chad 14/76: Actually, it is. Chad Nationalism >good 14 >great 14/76 >fuck yes
Jack Bennett
>14/76
I respect that. The founding fathers were White Nationalists btw
Brody Fisher
Just stop being edgelords you fucking nogs. look at Bush sr. that dude has murdered people and crazy shit. He a hero./
John Gomez
COUNTER-LEFT
JUST DO IT.
Nathan Williams
>THEN I GUESS WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY MORE RALLIES AMRITE? >This is their current psyop, friends. >Take note. Nigger, what? We need MORE rallies. Just kick the swastikas out and replace them with American flags.
captcha >1332 NICE
Lucas Butler
I can live with this if we get to use MUH EEBUL swastika and black sun after we win.
Aiden Murphy
This is the goal. We have to get nazism into the mainstream. We succeeded brilliantly so far. Young people are taking an interest in the politics of Hitler and how awful the situation was before he came to power.
The alt-rigth should be the first step to rehabilitate the extreme right wing: nazism and fascism. Otherwise it'd just be paleoconservativism. I'd be fine with this, but it lacks virility. The idea lacks the punch to swing the pendulum. First we have to be radical, so that we may settle with paleoconservativism.
Henry Brooks
Here's an idea. Arrange a fake in fighting between people in full on nazi reaglia with some dudes in Trump hats and maybe get some of those cringey kekistanis in on the action too.
Take some pictures for social media then we can push a narrative that clearly not all people at pro-free speech/statue appreciators are Nazis and to frame them all as such is false.
Jack Harris
This, rallies are fine, just don't let another cville happen. and disassociate from the crazies and controlled OP. Make yourselves more appealing. try to smile more, and bring a more positive message. Social psychology backs this up. You have to make people want to be you. If you look angry, out of shape, and generally unpleasant, don't let people see you.
Alexander Parker
It's time to adopt the frog again!
Benjamin Garcia
Roll a piece of shit in glitter as much as you want, you're not fooling anyone.
Asher Clark
It was also our heritage to burn witches and progressively lose our hearing to syphilis before dying to it (at least if you were getting any). I for one am down with embracing the scientific and industrial advancement which came out of the enlightenment and early roman/greek ideals which provided a basis for Western philosophy and mathematics, which actually drove Europe forward.
Nicholas Rivera
>implying burning witches is a bad thing
William Ramirez
Right. Having rallies in 2017 is fucking retarded.
Hunter Harris
Not an argument.
Gabriel James
>already trying to label yourselves >have obviously not learned the real lesson at all You are never going to get what you want. All you are doing is getting in the way. You'd rather fuck up Trump's commie removal agenda and let America burn to the ground than not get your shitty third world ethnostate. Just move to a slav country. Holy fuck.
Start by dropping that retarded label. “Alternative” means something that isn't something else. What a completely useless word. "Right" is a completely arbitrary direction.
We need a name that actually means something. I am an American nationalist. I fight against anti-American globalists and zionists. America first. It’s that simple.
Kayden Taylor
oh good another optics thread
Jace Wright
>honestly, i think the best thing to do would to a total rebranding of the movement.
I have a great idea. Have it represented by a lame cartoon frog and proselytized by guys with hipster haircuts!
Jason Brown
I dont think you guys get it... The left will never accept conservatism... or anything right of center. You can remove the symbols of "hate" but it wont do any good. You need to BECOME the media. With hard hitting signs using memes from Sup Forums. Theres a wealth of red pilled info you can spread to anifi and other blue pills, if you just use what we already have on pol. You need to start making these for the marches. YOU MUST BECOME NEW MEDIA. Don't buy into the divide and conquer tactics your your movement will lose its power and steam. Don't support Nazi but don't invite them either. When the media speak of Nazis, make sighs attacking the new nazis, which are the communists ie. Alt Left. It's the only way I can see.
Lincoln Ward
Jews have a super high rate of retards and sister lusting.
Nathan Bailey
What is "American" though? To be American, used to mean to be white and of good character.We shouldn't hate other races, but rather consider that proximity + diversity equal s conflict. Trillions have been spent on tryign to uplift blacks into white society, and as a whole, it's failed. How much more effort should be put into trying to make a multiracial country really work?
Tyler Cox
Also >pro-Jewish elite ruling your institutions
Camden Moore
You fucking retards the label "alt-right" is for the Nazi's and White supremacy. I am with trump 100% but we gotta recognize radicalized beliefs when they are staring right in front of you. Same this goes to Anti-fa and every other group like them "Alt-left".
Have you guys learned nothing??
David Myers
it's not the medias fault. hardly anyone trusts the media. But when they call alt right nazis and they see them holding swastikas and chanting about jews, well, you lose a lot of potential.
The wining strategy is to incorporate symbols of American patriotism into white nationalism.
Julian Stewart
I think reddit's more your speed.
Juan Walker
We aren't "alt-right" anymore, boys. We're not an "alternative" or fringe movement. We need to sell the branding of traditionalism - original conservatism - the TRUE RIGHT
Asher Bell
Just distance yourself from them, in the way "moderate" muslims distance themselves from ISIS.
They may make you look bad, but on other hand they open the discourse window, so more moderate nationalists could claim "we are not nazis, they are"
Make you american protests, kick some nazis out of them for show and disavow and judge them, but always in the but... (they were radicalized because leftism, racism against whites...) way.
Just copy the tricks leftists and islamists use for their extremists.
Owen Carter
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Alexander Rogers
How about just enjoying yourself and not antagonizing the owners of the country to crush you?
Wyatt Ross
When the left labels everyone who is right of Marx "alt-right", the fulcrum of that center is shifted so far to the left that it consequently creates more people sympathetic to the white supremacist movement for fear of losing national/historical identity. The left has created this problem, much like EVERY problem they create for themselves. The left have to strawman every argument and create a emotinally hysterical scene to gather pity support from their media to legitimize their cause. These statue defamations and removals are nothing but an emotional reaction to a new trendy idea that history is racist and therefore should be removed and forgotten so it can be eventually be repeated. Their media shit lords perpetuate to the brainless masses and it snowballs over to the rest of the country. Divide and conquer is their game and the more divided we are as a country, they win no matter what.
Bentley Thompson
Trade the Nazi and Confederate flags for the flags of your actual heritage and don't allow people to carry them in your rallies.
The benefits are many: >Can't be singled out as racist, Nazi, etc. >Fighting for something of actual personal importance instead of long-dead ideologies >Unifies the message that European culture will not go quietly >A sea of nation flags shows the diversity of the cause >Strong European unity without falling under globalist EU banner >Might encourage stronger nationalism in actual European countries >Easily digestible message
If this fight is really about preserving western traditional western culture and not just Nazi/Confederate LARPing this would go a long way to strengthen the image of the cause and fix some of the damage that Nazi LARPers caused.
Xavier Sullivan
>Have you guys learned nothing??
I learned that you are an unclever Jew faggot.
Jordan Gray
>distance yourself from them, in the way "moderate" muslims distance themselves from ISIS This is sage. Media already does it with leftist violence. Conservatism need NOT be a synonym for absolute reticence to act. Inaction is still an action.
Rhetoric, logic, reason... These things are intellectual masturbation that will not approach an absolute that is naturally a paradox. WILL is what's missing.
Complain about the optics of ignorant neo-Nazis all you want, but they have something that's lacking: Wille zur Macht.
That, and proper leadership/guidance.
Lucas Cook
I mean, US right wing groups do need to use our own iconography but we also have to keep out the civic nationalists, lolbertarians, and other such pussies.
Of course, we've a history of republicanism and democracy so it's really not exactly a good well to draw from.
Isaiah Gray
>America first.
Simple enough name for a nationalist party, dunno why it's never been taken up.
Lucas Myers
Your iconography represents nothing but failure and acquiescence...like claiming assplugs aren't gay.
Ayden Campbell
>the movement
Leo Robinson
>Your iconography represents nothing but failure
Be damned if I'll hear that from some faggot whose country hasn't been relevant in centuries.
Levi Watson
No matter what you do, jews will show up to your rallies wearing Nazi attire to get pictures taken of them.
Adam Barnes
If ya gonna rebrand successfully ya need to think like a Jew.
Stage neo Nazis rally and rebranded movement shows up and chase the Nazi friends out of town. Put on a show.
Call anyone who sees through your ruse a nutjob conspiracy theorist.
Jeremiah Butler
There's nothing enjoyable about being slowly poisoned and bled to death by ticks.
Why don't you go watch your pornography and pray to Mammon.
Robert Clark
You do not understand the media. They would call us Nazis no matter what. Let's not be fucking cucks or even try to win over the jew media. If the media EVER sees us as good, we are no longer good
If the media absolutely despises us, we are on the right track
Carter White
testing flags lul
Jeremiah Garcia
>Stop being National Socialists!
Julian Taylor
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Brandon Reyes
The thing is that you want to make your own empire, should make your own rules not follow failed nations nobody wants to be a loser
David Brooks
cringe
Hunter Kelly
Independence Hall in Philadelphia
Jayden Scott
American National Party WHEN Make a flag and sell it online and start marching!
Cameron Wright
we should have listned to cerno and pj
Lucas Hernandez
I like the idea of more americana and less nazism, but it won't make a difference. The nazi symbols might scare some people away, but the problem at cville was the way the media framed it. The alt-right was attacked by the antifa and the state police were given stand down orders by the mayor as well as literally pushing the alt-right into the streets toward antifa. The media are pushing the narrative that the alt-right started and wanted the violence. This would have happened with or without the nazi regalia. I think blaming it on the nazi regalia is easy, but the problem is more complex than that.
Bentley Brooks
17/76: "We must secure the existence and the freedom of our people and a future for white children"
Lincoln Davis
Don't you see guys? Unless we conform to our enemies standards then they'll win
Landon Cox
keep the swastikas, just make sure only chads can be seen with them
>Nigger, what? We need MORE rallies. Just kick the swastikas out and replace them with American flags.
This, I think, is the pivotal takeaway from all this. People have been conditioned so hard to hate Nazis that trying to undo that will take too much effort to be worthwhile.
We need to appeal to our own heritage and history.
>1476
John Morgan
Alt-Reich
Austin Davis
Maybe some black Nazis? There actually were african, asian, muslim, half-jew, as well as most of europe that fought on the side of the natsocs. Why not redpill the world with women and people of different races all holding swastikas. The media will implode!
Oliver Rivera
>failed nations >loser tf are you talking about. Not saying to carry their flag, but Nazis dominated the field of science in their short tenure. Very successful.
Anthony Cox
>It was also our heritage to burn witches
No, this was a Calvinist/Puritian thing. Catholics and decent Protestants understood that witchcraft doesn't exist.
Samuel Howard
That could destroy the nazi movement too.
Andrew Evans
America First
Jace Perry
The media and weaponized left associate swastikas with "white supremacy" when they are different things. They obviously need to be redpilled no matter their color and understand the teachings of our blessed adolf.
Brody Allen
it's not just the nazi symbolism. any race based right wing movement in america will fail in this day and age.
Thomas Baker
>Your iconography represents nothing but failure and acquiescence
We have never used the Swedish flag, actually.
Alexander Bell
goy rights
Lincoln Wood
Being the strawman they want is conforming to their standards.
Noah Johnson
I think its a pretty goddamn good idea goys need to unite. Its the only way to stop the eternal shlomo.
Jace Thompson
Rename it to the white horse movement. Why the white horse? It is associated with purity, strength, dominance, and salvation. All of which fit the movement well. White horses also often have blue and hazel eyes just like whites. It is the perfect animal for a white movement.
Main focuses would be: >White identity >Glorify specific parts of white history and encourage others to learn of it. >Increasing white birthrates by promoting stable marriages and fixing divorce laws. >Promotion of white immigration into the country if any immigration at all. >Anti race mixing. >Traditionalism >Stoicism in men. >Empathy towards whites that have lost their way to welcome them back into the fold instead of attacking them and keeping them away permanently weakening the race as a whole. >Constitutional rights focus >Strong family focus >Healthy lifestyles promotion while avoiding partying, clubbing, drugs, and lack of exercise.
Don't do the following: >Pushing white superiority over other races. >Pushing genocide of other races >Pushing imperialism. >Pushing down other races.
Connor Bailey
"i'll have those niggers voting democrat for 200 years"
--harry truman
Carson Collins
Well the symbol it's there and even if you all stop posting swastikas, someone will regardless.
I think it's a good idea to disarm the left arguments and at the same time get some exposure for white issues.
Matthew Murphy
Anime fags will be the first to go
Ryder Rodriguez
Native Americans flag
Wyatt Gomez
smartest person on Sup Forums right here
Caleb Stewart
True but the GOP is full of fuckbois begging to be purged. True Right candidates running as Republicans needs to start happening well before 2020.