>The Nazis were social-
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Nazi Germany had private businesses operating and producing according to the dictates of the government, and social benefits financed by borrowing against the future; that's definitely a kind of socialism. It's just not classical Marxism.
Wtf I hate Nazis now
>Nazi Germany had private businesses operating and producing according to the dictates of the government
The rule in socialism is that public ownership of the capital and/or means of production should be a direct benefit to the public, like public parks and the post office.
If the public has no access to those state goods and services and only indirectly benefits as an afterthought, then the system is more rightly called state capitalism.
>social benefits financed by borrowing against the future
This is a classic guns or butter argument. The Nazis rose to power on restoring the economy in Germany and creating prosperity for the people (after years of austerity from WWI), but their new war efforts created a lot of market shortages and scarcity.
The Nazis nationalized private welfare and stole a lot of Jewish property to finance their wars, but eventually they realized that the people would turn on them unless they took some of that capital and gave it back to the people in the form of social welfare benefits.
>that's definitely a kind of socialism
It is, but in the context it was delivered, it was more a type of payment for the silence of the German people. The Nazi's were buying love as we might say.
>it was more a type of payment for the silence of the German people. The Nazi's were buying love as we might say.
That's exactly what your government is doing with niggers. Giving them welfare so they sit tight in their ghetto, if they cut the money there will only be more and more social unrest and violence.
Thats really not true at all
If they had to work there would be far less crime
They're nationalist socialists. I don't care what he said.
>national socialism
>socialism literally in the name
>"lol not real socialism"
????
Just search for "hitler on socialism".
It is NOT marxist socialism, FFS.
>history writer
people's democratic republic of korea
>(((history writer)))
...
They weren't Marxists, but they were undeniably economic collectivists.
This professor has an agenda.
>implying it isn't democratic
They get to vote. But there's just one guy to vote for. Just like back in the USSR.
Technically it is a republic and it is a democracy. There's only one party though.
History professor or history writer? There's a big difference.
Mike Stuchberry
Always the same little hateful cunt the media seem to love.
>if we redefine socialism to mean this, and invent this term to fill in the blank then nazis were capitalists and not socialists
>looks like we marxists win again haha
>union of soviet socialist republics
>national socialist german workers party
it's democratic, just like how china or the former soviet union are democratic
>en.wikipedia.org
The nicked (fucking limey) a few socialist policies, eh?
>We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.
>All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.
>The first obligation of every citizen must be to productively work mentally or physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all. Consequently, we demand:
>Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.
>In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore, we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
>We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
>We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
>We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
>We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
etc
NatSoc is not Marxian Socialism. Only retards think it is.
The US right now is drastically closer to Marxian Socialism than Nazi Germany was. Our welfare system is utterly massive, it is a system of lifelong dependence, and we support people who contribute nothing to society. We have created a demographic of minorities who do nothing but leech from the state.
Germans at least had restrictions along racial/ethnic lines, ant it was not a limitless lifestyle. The goal of their program was to get people working, not provide for the lazy and degenerate.
Hitler appropriated the term Socialism, the term comrade, the colors of the Communist parties, and a ton of their language to hide their true intent when the party first formed. It was also used to recruit Commies into the party once they were gaining power.
I think that twitter rant might be from the same fag who claimed there were trannies in the Roman Legion because they found one corpse that was born intersex.
Sure it didn't end up being socialist, but almost all genocidal regimes have a funny habbit of starting out with those types of ideals.
>Hitler appropriated the term Socialism, the term comrade, the colors of the Communist parties, and a ton of their language to hide their true intent when the party first formed. It was also used to recruit Commies into the party once they were gaining power.
This and he also did it to piss commies off desu
I mean Strength through Joy and the NSV were about as socialist as you could get.
Stuchbery is an SJW tool who got kicked out of a teaching job after only three months because he couldn't handle children. See bbc.com
He is NOT a historian. He is a seedy blogger.
>history (((writer)))
So fucking obvious
Like a rising tide raises all boats?
Hi hello my name is Mike Stuchberry and I (((write))) history
What? What do you mean I don't know what I'm talking about? I literally write history!
Wasn't this guy also the one who claimed that Roman Britain was typically black?
Probably.
>Sure the nazis were authoritarian statists who nationalized industries to provide baseline standard of living to all citizens, but they were weren't socialists!
>It is, but in the context it was delivered, it was more a type of payment for the silence of the German people.
Okay dude, whatever let's you sleep at night. Because ideology isn't based on your policies, it's based on the INTENTION of your policies.
OH NO THE HISTORY TEACHER IS AT IT AGAIN, HOW CAN WE RECOVER Sup Forums? THEY'RE SAYING HE DESTROYED PJW AND NOW THIS?!....
"It is not Germany that will turn Bolshevist but Bolshevism that will become a sort of National Socialism. Besides, there is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates us from it…. I have always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the party at once. The petit bourgeois Social-Democrat and the trade union boss will never make a National Socialist, but the Communist always will. "
"The party is all-embracing. It rules our lives in all their breadth and depth… There will be no license, no free space, in which the individual belongs to himself. This is Socialism… Let them then own land or factories as much as they please. The decisive factor is that the State, through the party, is supreme over them, regardless whether they are owners or workers. "
"After all, that’s exactly why we call ourselves National Socialists! We want to start by implementing socialism in our nation among our Volk! It is not until the individual nations are socialist that they can address themselves to international socialism. "
"I have learned a great deal from Marxism as I do not hesitate to admit… The difference between them and myself is that I have really put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun. The whole of National Socialism is based on it… National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with a democratic order. "
-Adolf Hitler
>There are people in this very thread who think that socialism is communism
not muh socialism
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If you watch Hitlers pre WWII speeches when he was just a fiery politician trying to get votes he sounded a lot like a very high energy Bernie Sanders. Lots of promises of social programs and fixing poverty. It was very nationalistic but still socialism.
He is not a history teacher. He is a "writer" who likes history. Look it up
>communists reject our right so we reject theirs
>ancaps consider any form of government a violation of their rights
So by that logic anyone who's not an ancap should be executed right? God this ideology is so pathetic.
and there are also people who deny their common traits
Big brother taking a huge chunk of your wages and deciding where it goes for you. Then promising to give you back that value in handouts.
Yeah but then he murdered the socialist wing of NSDAP and made alliance with old guard and industrialists.
That was the shittest "schooling" I ever saw. It was like Politico or Snopes with the way they very things. Like...
"Water is wet" - FALSE While many people immersed in water claim to feel a sensation of "wetness" this doesn't account for other physical states of water such as ice.
The NSDAP implemented socialist economic policy. He admits it but spergs out about the Italian Fascists and their relation to the Third Reich. This is the shittest argument I've ever seen.
That's the thing, we don't. Socialism is the transition from capitalism to communism. I get that. Which is why you can argue countries like Norway are socialist when they very much have commerce similar to that of any liberal democracy. And you can argue that private enterprise existing in Nazi Germany can still be socialist.
The other thing people fail to mention about this is that the use of private enterprise in taking back Germany's economy was absolutely necessary for Germany to recover and even have socialist programs. Germany would have been beholden to international banks and it's deliberately weakened currency forever if the oldboys network of German industrialists who served in the WW1 and saw the backstab first-hand didn't all agree to adopt the MEFO bill system.
There's your fucking socialist revolution. Producers of wealth and commodities getting together to shrug off imperialists and global bakers and helping their local community.
The Soviets called themselves the Union of Socialist Republics, so therefore Republican democracy is evil. Not so hard, huh?
It's essentially a monarchy my dude
Don't even need to go that far, just bring up Antifa and their actions then sit back and watch the crazy mental gymnastics.
>this professor has an agenda
More like every professor (even non-commie professors)
IT'S NOT REAL SOCIALISM
IT'S NEVER BEEN TRIED
>Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes.
No more welfare socialism?
How is "socialism" the elimination of socialism?
>Ideology is called national socialism
>Stems from nationalism + socialism
>If it was something else, it'd be called something else
>BUT THEY DIDN'T PRACTICE MY KIND OF SOCIALISM
It's "b-b-b-b-ut REAL communism hasn't been tried yet" all over again.
They actually were. National socialists .(National identity and purpose, state ordered to focus economy on belicism. Marxism doesn't apply here at all). But a state made in order to avoid this glorious system to be used under a taboo nightmare with a deadly reminder. Also Israel is.
No my dude, he's talking about profits from financial speculation. It even says "Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery" which puts this into context.
they were essentially natcaps for the brainlets in here who think you need full blown open borders globalism to be a le free market capitalist
So North Korea is democratic, right
holy fuck some 'nazis' are fucking retarded
National Socialism was socialism on a national level (surprise, surprise)
The 'socialism' that was made popular by Lenin and Marx is international socialism
So yes, National Socialism is socialism, just not the socialism that you so fear.
I hate kikes
Factory owners and people in charge of different industries had to be loyal to the party and didn't have control over the goods that were produced, their quantity etc.
>If it was something else, it'd be called something else
So the People's Democratic Republic of North Korea is really a republic led by a democracy of the people? Welp, it was on the internet so it must be true.
I mean, any ideology that believes in family, tribe, race, nation, community, and pro-social institutions fits the broadest definition of socialist. Not all socialism is Marxist or Fabian socialism, not all socialism is anti-private ownership or enterprise.
>history writer
Do you need a fucking brain transplant or something? If I am a communist by every definition of the word, and I decide to name myself "Nazi Pete" and tell everyone that I am a nazi, I'll still be communist by definition, and will be branded as such. Because all of my beliefs align with the communist ideology, rather than national socialism.
The Third Reich was national socialist by definition. That is a universal acceptance, hence why we still call them nazis.
>So by that logic anyone who's not an ancap should be executed right?
You're retarded.
It is. They all chose Kim.
>he's talking about profits from financial speculation.
That makes sense. In America, about 85% of the GDP is from labor producing goods and providing services and the rest is from finance/interest.
Interestingly, almost 50% of the debt in America is from risky derivatives and other credit default swaps with no tangible or asset value.
>It is. They all chose Kim.
And what of the people who didn't?
>free helicopter rides
(1) Republic that doesn't protect the rights of the people
(2) Not really a democracy
(3) People not necessary for elections
The trifecta of dictatorship.
kek how did i miss that
Yes it's socialism but not Marxist socialism, but still socialism. Not the kind you guys rightly hate but the kind that you guys are rightly suspicious of. Also we have thwe fucking threads every few hours
Nah, that's just a (((cohencidence))).
This goes for you too.
Although I'm assuming you got stuck on the "it would be called something else", rather than everyone in the fucking world would call it something else.
The only work they know how to do is crime. You really don't want to force them to work.
"NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY"
Marxist-Leninist Socialism: "Workers of the world, unite!"
German National Socialism: Workers of Germany, unite (fuck off we're full)!
>If they had to work there would be far less crime
A drug dealer makes more money than you you fucking retard. It's not a "Poor Aladdin is stealing bread from the rich to feed his little monkey" situation.
It's lazy niggers selling crack/robbing people to buy a new pair of Yeezys and a new iphone.
>German National Socialism: Workers of Germany, unite (fuck off we're full)!
It's not just workers, that's the point. It's all classes.
>If the public has no access to those state goods and services and only indirectly benefits as an afterthought, then the system is more rightly called state capitalism.
And? The same can be and is said of China today, but no one takes issue with them calling themselves Communist.
Socialist should really fuck off and admit that their ideology is a curse for humanity.
NK is communist (private property abolished) on paper. In actuality they appear to be a monarchy.
It's referring to Jewish means of wealth, usury ect
maybe he can tell me what is and isn't real communism
How fucking retarded is this guy? To prove his point that the Germans were different than socialism, he first pointed out the Nazis used military means to expand their greater German Reich... while socialists used violent revolution to achieve global socialism.
What amazes me isn't that somebody is this stupid. It's that not only is somebody this stupid, but somebody is stupid enough to read an argument this stupid and think it's smart because they're a HISTORIAN, and then a bunch of commentators all think it's brilliant.
This is some retarded arguing and it's all based off somebody extremely autistic view that only a specific style of globalised communist style socialism before Stalin came along was REAL socialism and that all other varieties of socialism like say Nordic-style are not socialism.
Socialism is the state collectivization of private industry, the National Socialist Workers Party did exactly that, they just allowed them to operate for a profit, because they were slightly less retarded than communists.
>"I have learned a great deal from Marxism as I do not hesitate to admit… The difference between them and myself is that I have really put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun. The whole of National Socialism is based on it… National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with a democratic order.
>After all, that’s exactly why we call ourselves National Socialists! We want to start by implementing socialism in our nation among our Volk! It is not until the individual nations are socialist that they can address themselves to international socialism." - Hitler
This article looks like someone from leftypol write it
Facism and socialism are pretty close. Basically the state controlled businesses instead of out right owning them. Kinda like how Obama care controls the health care industry :^)
German workers and the bourgeoisie class were to work together for the betterment of the nation, and only the nation. The Nazi state was to keep businesses in line so that their profits would benefit the national welfare. Every level of society was directed by the state to improve each other, coupled with a spirit of community and national pride.
What happened in Mexico or Vietnam was of no concern to the state.
>He admits it but spergs out about the Italian Fascists and their relation to the Third Reich
He's an idiot on that point as well because Mussolini was a socialist before he started shilling fascism. Mussolini didn't like socialism because it wasn't nationalist enough, and there's still plenty of elements of socialism in Mussolini's fascism.
i dont see an article. I see a half ass written blurb and a bunch of twitter posts made by leftists who just cant handle the nazis being socialists. am i missing something here?
Strasser said that and he was assassinated.
>schooled
i didn't realize being mean was a requirement when correcting someone
fucking RUDE
>Marxian
Nigger, please.
It's Socialism. National SOCIALISM. The Socialists don't like it and the National Socialists don't like it but there you are, both wanting to tear down the Monarchy. What Monarchy? The French monarchy- ie. a metaphor for the existing political and cultural order. That's how historically you all including the 'Marxians' and Hitlerians got the name LEFTIST.
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>but no one takes issue with them calling themselves Communist.
Next time someone on Sup Forums posts a "communism doesn't work" thread mention China as an example of it working.
You'll find plenty of people who immediately respond with "ackshually China is capitalist."
I would say socialism inevitably leads to fascism, because eventually you have to force people to cooperate and that requires giving one group the power to do so. That group will also inevitably be one party, because deciding what's in the best interest of everyone leaves no room for dissent.
When fascism comes up, people kind of forget that it was birthed by Marxist fanboys in Italy. Mussolini believed it was a socialist til the day he died, and lefties today would absolutely jizz themselves upon reading the fascist manifesto which was pro women's vote, labor unions, limited work hours, minimum wage, etc. The left is terrified of people realizing that fascism always was left-leaning, just like they try to pretend US parties flipped at some magical point in history to avoid being associated with the fact they were pro-slavery.
Why are Americans so obsessed with the left /right label, can't they understand world isn't a black and white