How do you recognise a foundation myth? It fulfils three functions.
1)It explains the origin and structure of the world (and society). 2)It defines ultimate good and evil (and from those definitions are derived the values that are used to justify the holding of power). 3)It determines what is held sacred in that society.
For modern Westerners the story of WWII has become their foundation myth. It fulfils all three functions.
1)We live in the ‘Post-War World’. The lines on the map, the institutions, the sense of what era we live in, all arise from the starting point of WWII.
2)Ultimate evil is Nazis. Ultimate good is opposing Nazis. The values derived from these definitions are anti-racism, equality, diversity, anti-nationalism and so on.
3)The only thing that is held sacred, that cannot be denied or mocked in the contemporary West, is the Holocaust.
The problem is that all three functions are backwards or negative.
Instead of the origin event being one of fertility and new life, it was a conflagration of death and destruction.
Instead of ultimate good taking the central position in the story that slot is occupied by ultimate evil. Everyone knows that Adolf Hitler, the personification of evil, holds the centre point of the WWII story.
Instead of that which is held sacred being something mysterious and sublime it (the Holocaust) is an obscenity.
Having a negative foundation myth means the tree of life for Westerners is poisoned. > Having a negative foundation myth means the tree of life for Westerners is poisoned.
Great post, for once OP is not a faggot. Will read the links, tyvm
Luis Powell
You know it's interesting that the central character is Hitler. It's almost like he has an aura of good and heroism around him.
Nathaniel Reed
yes, the aura of absolute evil.
Like it was the devil for the Christians we now have hitler who wanted nothing else but secure the existence for his nation and his people
and if the absoulute evil in your foundation mtyh is someone who wanted nothing but good for his family... just think of the consequences if the most important for a race is deemed the most evil one can do....The race will die out, it's that simple
Blake Anderson
even 11 old normal people use the "omg literally like hitler" because it so deeply engrained in our world right now that there is nothing more "evil" then him
we even have meme's about this phenomenon
Xavier James
That's the greatest trick of the commies - they reverted the post-Berlin Wall world to the post WWII state. So you're back to hating the Nazis. Here in Eastern Europe we still know who's the real enemy though.
Anthony Collins
fug dude
Austin Williams
>Here in Eastern Europe we still know who's the real enemy though.
Majority of 10-30 year old hungarians are 100% indoctrinated by the most watched TV channel (((RTL)))
and they go against orban viciously without any real arguments just saying he is evil corrup and other ad hominem
only because our older generation is redpilled can we have a centrist right government
Charles Sanders
It's a Death Cult. Death and Destruction is celebrated. Creation, Preservation and Love is mocked and have to shown how it is perverted and actually ugly.
Ayden Bell
the narrative is set the way that there is only one side to hate
it is perfection, what is the cure against a perfect system they created over generations and generations of this mess?
Christopher Ramirez
Bump
Eli Bell
It was our destiny.
We went through the other side of the looking glass.
Dylan Hernandez
Scott Adams just talked yesterday about how the left has a better linguistic hand
they even admit in the movie that they couldn't debate the holocaust with Irving because he was too knowledgeable, so they "put him on trial" instead. Classic Jewry
Jaxon Thomas
it's pure slander
but that's what they can simply do, just like they slandered Bobby Fisher in his bio pic Pawn Sacrifice
Noah Bell
>to enlighten the entire world bring civilization and knowledge the the subhuman masses guess that was a big mistake. you can't expect someone that isn't like you to live like you and have your standards.
Noah Williams
wouldnt have been easiest to simply kill of the entire African continent wouldn't it?
but our moral code never allowed for such things because we always needed to be the Gentleman, the morally superior
but now imagine what we could do if we embrace what (((they))) try to slender us with?
we could literally create utopias and leave this planet and discover new systems
maybe that's where we are headed?
a society that is beyond good and evil
Jaxson Morales
what is /ourfoundationmyth/ ?
James Flores
This is why the Japanese refuse to allow an anti-heroic myth of their nation to supersede their prior identity. I don't blame the Chinese and Koreans for being pissed at them, but they themselves are affirming their own heroic modern mythologies by focusing negatively on Japan. Japan is absolutely correct to remain defiant in the face of it.
Dominic Lopez
>but now imagine what we could do if we embrace what (((they))) try to slender us with? Yeah the same thought struck me too. If ((((they))) meme for big bad whitey so hard they should ultimately get it.
Leo Lopez
what could be a catalyst ?
it needed something like extreme measures from the left
Cooper Moore
Oh, also, this is why Russian identity has faired better than Western identity after WWII. They are able to have a narrative of a fight for existential survival rather than focusing on the negative image of the holocaust. The Russian narrative is of primordial morality--the morality of avoiding physical eradication. The US, and even Western Europe can't do the same so they must construct moral narratives that open themselves up to criticism in the present by way of constantly comparing any affirmative elements of their own societies to the evils of the Nazis. All White people are now held liable for the Nazis that they themselves fought and died to defeat.
Mason Rogers
so why are they still choosing 2d anime over reality?
why is the birthrate going down just like with us
why do they still have the same symptoms a society has with a flawed foundation myth?
Jaxson Gomez
that's one fucking beautiful post user
I agree 100%
Julian Rivera
the degeneracy and consumerism have a different cause. foundation myth only accounts for the self-hatred
Sebastian Barnes
>prankster internet cyberpunks save the world from jewish illuminati using a oragami yu-gi-oh card collecting anime porn mezzanine, channeling stoic energies using pictures through their pseudo-cult egyptian possibility calculating anthraphamorphic frog diety that consumes chaos because they were bored and thought it would be funny
Juan Allen
>consumerism
ultimatly the best consumers are those that have a high inferiority complex
So I might actually explain it away by all the hollywood they are exposed to
The asians generally see White>Asian seems like we fucked them over by imposing our beauty standards on them with our stars
might be an explanations
Michael Hall
and of course the 'good times make weak men' thing. Without struggle people turn into faggots and get completely removed from the real world. I don't know how far that applies to asia though
Sebastian Morgan
Life is still too comfortable here, for people to question the foundation of the society we got pushed in. But the left is certainly doing us a favor by pissing of more and more people with their shenanigans.
Hudson Gonzalez
This is why it's so important to insert blacks and other non-whites into WWI but especially WWII video games and movies. The more diverse the fighting force, the less credit goes to whites for the defeat of the Nazis. It's not a European Civil War (which it was), but rather a war of the multiracial global community fighting retrentched white racists. That's why neomarxists were so triggered by Dunkirk for example--not enough Blacks and Pakis are depicted killing and being killed by the Aryan demons, because obviously you can't depict the primary heroes and victims of WWII as being Whites.
Ryder Barnes
But how is it possible the people who helped defeating Nazi Germany use the negative origin myth. Why is "muh holocaust" even an issue in Belgium, which was itself occupied by the Germans? Why don't we use that moment as a victory of the Belgian people instead of the blame of the holocaust?
Anthony Roberts
And honestly the most to push us to the right side was done by jews and leftist like Soros who fund BLM and other leftshit activists they in turn redpill the public
I love Jared Taylor but he hasn;t done jack shit, all other rgiht side celebs the same... most done for us was done by crazy leftshits that opened the silent majorities eyes....
The same here, the euro jews turned hungary a right wing country for the next 10 years at least >do we have to become jews and fight for the extinction of the white race to achieve the opposite?
because just look at what these supposed /our people/ are doing for the cause? richard spencer and doge challanger guy? fucking pathetic
Gavin Carter
cause you're white
and Holocaust wasn;t done by Germanic socialistic nationalist but by Evil white people who hated jews for no reason at all
interesting question tho, the same for brits and france
they both are the most cucked nation in europe, both lost their empires even tho they won, and have millions of shitskins and muslims now
>It's like winning hasn't brought them anything because the real war was between Whites vs Jews .... and the whites have lost big time
Aaron Foster
Seems like the only reasonable explanation at this point. Jews were the most dominant fraction and could push their worldview instead of the nationalists.
Joshua Sanchez
We need people like jared taylor to represent the exact opposite of all the bullshit and educate/guide the disgruntled whites. The activism in america is just done really poorly and should learn from generation identity in europe.
Hunter Hernandez
for millenia they have been kicked out by homogeneous societies
they really had to see the only way to save and protect themselves to destroy homogeneous countries otherwise they will be kicked out again
Jace Lewis
gj user.
so true
Isaiah Rodriguez
>Hungary Feeling crowded after you lost your coast?
Samuel Nguyen
Fugg DDDD:
Bentley Young
you know your picture is something a crypto-jew would create? so you leave this place of free thought and joind their army of consumers living under their self created foundation myth that will be the white mans doom if they do what your shit picture suggests
even if you have to sacrifice your life so your children may live in freedome or at least under white elites so that their existence is safe
Christian Cruz
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Caleb Cruz
That map just shows the effects of globalists. Don't you find it funny that if big businesses can't make money off the people the country turns to shit.
Angel Bennett
i read his whole dumb image and just said yep thats what I'm going to do. Oh man, stop getting information. Oh man, stop getting knowledge THE ONLY DEFINITIVE FORM OF POWER IN THE KNOWN REALITY. coward ass bitch pussy we're fighting wars and you think the outside normie npc world matters on any scale? It's a background that plays to keep the npcs occupied. who gives a fuck
Adam Jackson
glad to fight at your side solider
Jace Jenkins
true, if you actually go beyond posting on Sup Forums If your rebellion consists of shitposting and watching youtube videos, however, a bluepill would have been the better prescription
Angel Wright
Aye, aye. Freedom until peace or freedom until madness.
Jose Johnson
Because nationalism itself has been tainted by the foundation myth.
>"Belgium ended up victorious in WWII, we should be proud" >"Wait a minute, don't you realize nationalism is exactly why Nazi Germany happened?"
Michael Howard
causation isn;t correlation
just because Big busines makes big buck doesn;t meant that's the cause for the general well being of the people
contrary Big business can actually make big money because the people are well off
Landon Cooper
Well, I try to get other's Holy Spirit to awaken usually which is a much more important goal then anything else.
Nathaniel Johnson
Certainly in Britain post war society was ultra conservative, think about what happened to Alan Turing but then LSD kind of came out of the blue and was suddenly very popular. If you’ve ever had some and thought about the quantity that was being disseminated at the time, shit the world wasn’t prepared for that. Kids whose parents were hard nosed and forward thinking just wanted to get high all the time
If you think about Bowie and the likes as well, that was basically proto gender fluidity
Brody Cox
Mainstream media makes people reference Hitler. But nowadays atleast not everybody thinks hes evil
Carson Wood
>Japanese refuse to allow an anti-heroic myth of their nation to supersede their prior identity You are an obsequious weeaboo clown.
I'd just like to point out that it specifically claims that there are better, more efficient sources of information. I actually agree with this, even if I don't agree with becoming a normalfag (not that you can unswallow the red pill anyway). If you're coming to Sup Forums daily, but not reading a new book every week, or following a dozen good blogs, you're not growing intellectually--you just enjoy barstool political banter, and infographics.
Japenese don't have yellow guilt. Period.
Mason Nelson
you gotta start somewhere?
Imagine what gen Z will doing, now they are dicking around with dumb bogpills that literally caricature the oldfugs year of dedication and finding and discovering the minute mechanisms of our world and it's functions
now its just something to make fun of with bigpills but they might just go down the rebbit hole deeper then we ever could
LSD helps you to see the shekels that are holding you back
so LSD would help our generation again help to see the negative foundation myth they are living in
Nathaniel Morgan
Jesus. Ukraine is the worst country imaginable.
Chase Roberts
stop taking drugs you degenerate
Joseph Cox
IMO it's impossible to simple come here and enjoy bar stool political banter for years and years because the sheer information her will sooner or later motivate you to look into other stuff deeper
Noah Long
It's the same, just inverted.
Matthew Edwards
see I come here to see the progression of the meme war and how it ties in spiritually with the battle of the yin and yang along the occasional good posts
John Foster
>mfw twelve jews in Montenegro
Michael Foster
I'm not talking about all drugs
you can;t get addicted to LSD
you might do it 2 - 3 times but after that youre set
I agree with your hard edge stance that drugs have no place in society
Samuel Martin
and when is gonna come the time you give back to this community?
when are you gonna start shilling important ideas you have found on your journey so that you help others find what you did?
Isaiah Perry
stop taking drugs.
Elijah Wright
I tell myself that to, but I still have to put a lot of effort into now allowing this place to be a time-sink. The slide threads and shitposting has made it even harder, because it's more difficult to quickly scan the catalog for news updates. The other chan has a cleaner catalog but fewer and slower news updates.
Jonathan Gray
never noticed this, kek
Grayson Ortiz
All I'm saying is that taking the redpill has to be followed by taking action.
On a personal level, get fit, dress well, educate yourself, no porn, no video games, movies, or anything that isn't helpful to you or the cause. Get a career if you're not willing to commit your entire life to activism
Politically, talking to friends and family is not enough - join some community or movement, acquire necessary skills to participate in the propaganda war, or any other way you can make significant contribution
Bentley Evans
You motherfucker at what point did I say anything about actively taking any substance
seriously fucking varg posters
Andrew Murphy
stop taking drugs you absolute degenerate.
Zachary Brown
>980k what the fuck
Christian Brooks
So basically that means we must salt the earth and commit omnicide IMMEDIATELY?????????
Dominic Gutierrez
do you think if someone has the mental capacity to see what we are trying to see here and will stay a fat and ugly blob his entire lift?
I think once you see god in one thing you will inevitably see god in every thing
you will understand how to get that girl you want to put a baby in you will see how to achieve the financial success you deem worthy for you you will know how to keep your family together and keep the people around you happy you will also indeed be aware about how to looksmax and be your best potential self
you just need to find god and you will see the hierarchies and the ultimate goals to reach for in every thing
but .... and a big BUT... you first need to be freed from something that was imposed on you by an enemy far smarter and far more organized then you ever could be
only then can you be free and achieve perfection in all those other things important in life
Jaxson Jackson
please stahp repeating yourself and contribute something worthwhile to this thread
Cameron Gonzalez
you don't treat cancer by killing the entire body...
do you?
Brody Cooper
How about you eat a bullet crypto commie
Christopher Wilson
>do you think if someone has the mental capacity to see what we are trying to see here and will stay a fat and ugly blob his entire lift? yes. I know what you mean, but when you look at our crowds you see fatasses, skellies, nazi larpers and hear some super cringy things, people meme-ing in real life with posters and shit like that, all the anime stuff.
You'd think that not a single one should be that way. They should all realize what they should look and sound like but it doesn't seem so. We might give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they are new and will fix all that soon, but I think this message of self improvement (and encouragement to take action) would still be important.
Cooper Sanders
>I know what you mean, but when you look at our crowds you see fatasses, skellies, nazi larpers and hear some super cringy things, people meme-ing in real life with posters and shit like that, all the anime stuff.
you do know that this isn't us? this is just picture crypto-jews leftshit and general shitskin use to discredit our movement ?
you have to see beyond this shilling and trust in you and your brothers who may or may not be in high political positions or close to power
Lucas Phillips
we indeed have propaganda campaigns with #trumpgirls
but just because we tried everything, our side doesn;t need the optics, we don;t need to lure in people with >OMG THIS TRUMP GIRL IS SO HOT I WANNA BE ONE TOO
this is what the left is doing because they don't have anything else but manipulative tactics
we have the biggest lure of all, Truth.
Samuel Richardson
good analysis
William Ramirez
I know it's just some, but they are there and as I said there should be ANY like that.
truth is only appealing to some. Don't project from yourself onto others. most people just want to live their normie lives and do whatever they think is expected of them.You won't win them over with truth, but by winning - and having truth just makes it a lot easier because you don't have to lie (on the other hand it means you have to say unpleasant truths). Anyway you still can, and should, use all tools available Ultimately, getting normies on our side is the whole point of the culture war, and good optics that portray the opposite of degeneracy and multiculturalism are a great and natural way of appealing to them.
Joshua Adams
>truth is only appealing to some. Don't project from yourself onto others. most people just want to live their normie lives and do whatever they think is expected of them.You won't win them over with truth, but by winning - and having truth just makes it a lot easier because you don't have to lie (on the other hand it means you have to say unpleasant truths). Anyway you still can, and should, use all tools available >Ultimately, getting normies on our side is the whole point of the culture war, and good optics that portray the opposite of degeneracy and multiculturalism are a great and natural way of appealing to them.
this is good, I will think about what you posted
Henry Carter
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Levi Jackson
okey but the problem is there is no just cause left...?
and normie masses are most easily swayed to your side if you can tell them they are moral and fight for justice
Literally every cause is already occupied by the left, and if not that cause even if moraly noble is turned into something supposedly bad
like
>I really want to be proud of my culture and heritage
YOU RASIT FUCK
>I want to keep my country for the original imhabitants so every race can have its safe space
RCCCCCIST
Luis Johnson
>How to stop it Kill their children. Make conops and be as barbaric as possible. The media might condem it, but they can't stop it. Once a dozen have been tortured and beheaded on live stream, some will jump off the train. Kill a dozen more, and they will quite their jobs, kill another dozen and they will pressure the state to find a solution, kill a dozen state employees, and they will give up. Terrorism as a political strategy works, if you take it far enough
Hunter Scott
An interpretation like that would make even a Jewish professor proud. Could be a whole new era in lit crit, to follow postmodernism tbqh.
Brayden Jenkins
they are most concerned with keeping things as they are. As long as they get to keep their house and tv and smart phones, cheap clothes and all the luxury they consume (there are more and better examples) they don't want change. Even if it means the death of their nations, to which they have no connection anyway, or the suffering of poor thrid worlders, while also destroying their own countries' lower class.
There is no justice in any of that. It's pure self interest.
What the left did, and this is what the whole 'virtue signaling' thing is about, is giving the good feels and perceived moral superiority without actually doing any good. Sending a tweet about poor chinese factory workers from your china-manufactured iPhone9s is absolutely retarded and even if you raise their awareness to that fact they'll just push it aside because it isn't comfortable.
Like the migrant crisis. It's not about helping, It's just about feeling good and superior to the racists
Nathaniel Baker
Interesting anology, would OP be able to develop this further if we start to analyze the current western values as a religion.
Aside from the foundation myth, does this "religion" contain stories of legendary heroes, rituals and moral codes the followers adhere to?
