If you're an American white nationalist, you have to be a libertarian

Prove me wrong. The argument that "the founding fathers intended America to be for whites" falls apart if you don't believe in the purpose the founding fathers had in mind when building the country. If the United States were to become Nazi Germany it wouldn't be the United States anymore.

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No, no it wouldnt. Scary though, eh? But for some reason it isnt a scary thought for you fags to turn America into something it is not through your progressive nonsense?

Are you accusing me of being a leftist? Because I'm not, and I agree with the argument for a white ethnostate. But I'm also saying that the argument only holds value if you want America to remain America.

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>If you're an American white nationalist, you have to be a libertarian
American white nationalist who aren't Libertarians exist
There, proved ya wrong.

Not my point, but nice trips.

White nation won't be called America.
America was a nice experiment, but spooner was right

Well if you don't want America, then you can no longer say that you have a right to the land because it was America that was founded as a white nation. Give it back to the seven or so American Indians left.

After we carve out white nation, I don't give a fuck what happens to the rest. If you wanna give the rest back to the natives as some cucky reparations, that's up to you

Nation is its people not its government

Also, libertarianism is what opened the door to our current situation. What's important is the survival of the American people, not muh constitution.

Libertarianism is socially left, it's not for fighting degenerancy. You're going to get your Marxist heads 60 or 70 years down the line.

You sound like a commie

Libertarianism didn't open the flood gates. Immigration is a government program, and they sure as hell wouldn't be coming here in droves if we didn't hand them welfare like it was candy.

Prior to the early 20th Century, we had no taxes, and a relatively minimal Federal Government. Somehow we managed to keep immigration limited to healthy Europeans.

just when you thought Sup Forums couldn't get any more stupid

You dont understand the difference between libertarianism and liberalism

>I want gays to be able to defend their Mary Jay plants with guns

That all sounds pretty degenerate and liberal bruh. Except for the guns.

>You're going to get your Marxist heads 60 or 70 years down the line.
In a Libertarian market society Marxist ideology wouldn't have come to infiltrate the educational system nor the media.

You sound like a retard

>Libertarianism didn't open the flood gates.
Yes it absolutely fucking did. Libertarianism was too weak an ideology to protect itself from subversion.

>>I want gays to be able to defend their Mary Jay plants with guns
I want nothing for gays.
That's the whole point
If the MJ growing faggot is to get by, it's gonna be because he grows some awesome pot that's in demand. If not, he's finished. And I won't have to foot his AIDS bills.

Libertarianism is a liberal ideology. It primarily endorses egalitarianism and individualism - hallmarks of both classical and neoliberalism

>Libertarianism was too weak an ideology to protect itself from subversion.

Our Nation lasted 150 years before it was subverted by Jews. How long did it take for them to destroy Nazism and turn the German people into ultra cucks in perpetuity?

Nazi Germany wasn't subverted, though, it was blown to pieces by nearly every wealthy European nation on the continent. If America, during its first 150 years of existence, had been subjected to the same thing, it wouldn't exist.

>If the MJ growing faggot is to get by, it's gonna be because he grows some awesome pot that's in demand.
>Capitalism isn't inherently degenerate, guys. It just opportunistically caters to degeneracy if it looks profitable.

>>I want gays to be able to defend their Mary Jay plants with guns

Ill sell them the guns, the dope and the lube, because i dont give a fuck about anyone but myself , my close associates and my property.
If they die of aids and cant afford to cure themselves, tough shit, natural selection etc etc>

Thats true libertarianism.

Nazi Germany was still only around a decade. Of course, they still subverted it - you have Soros of all people installing Nazi leadership in Ukraine. They love collectivism and totalitarianism - it doesn't matter the brand.

All America has to do is go back to the Constitution and the Rule of Law, end the Federal Reserve, and the insanity would go away.

>Libertarianism is a liberal ideology

And oranges are tomatoes.

And youre a psuedointellectual

>Libertarianism is a liberal ideology. It primarily endorses egalitarianism and individualism
No it doesn't
It endorses freedom of choice. One is free to become part of the herd, if you will.
Did you no a white ethno natsoc. facist type society can exist within a Libertarian system?
By yourself some private property, whites only, charge the residents taxes, make any insane law ya want, militias, the whole bit. Only difference is the folks there wouldn't be legally bound to stay there. They could leave as soon as the dear leader starts going autistic, which would actually be a pretty good check.
So, join us, my friend, your society is possible within ours.

And, I should mention - do you think any other (((countries))) in the world would freak out at the rise of a Nazi US? We'd be fucking nuked to oblivion.

>Russia
>wealthy

>(((countries)))
Ya know, now that I think of it.
I think the only nuclear power (((they))) really have a tight grip on is the good ol US

(((They))) have quite a good grip on Russia at the moment, as they always have since the Revolution. Just a different group than ours. Europe is basically a collection of Rothschild vassal states at this point.

>Nazi Germany was still only around a decade. Of course, they still subverted it - you have Soros of all people installing Nazi leadership in Ukraine. They love collectivism and totalitarianism - it doesn't matter the brand.
Holy fuck, go back to InfoWars you colossal faggot. What does Ukraine today have to do with Germany 70 years ago? Individualism is what allows subversive types to flourish.

>All America has to do is go back to the Constitution and the Rule of Law, end the Federal Reserve, and the insanity would go away.
Let's say that happens: how would that prevent the exact same situation we have today from developing 150 years from now?

There's a reason I dropped lolberteranism and AnCap. Ultimately you are living in a fantasy where either of you think you're going to achieve said society with the continual onslaught of demographic replacement. None of you could ever address it and instead acted like you were going to live out your days like Jeff Berwick. Well, you aren't because the dollar vigilante himself is about as safe as he can be until the natives decide to throw him the fuck out himself or worse.

The founding fathers never intended to allow none whites to immigrate.

"Capitalism isn't inherently degenerate, guys. It just opportunistically caters to degeneracy if it looks profitable."

Yea what a sin to let the dregs of society fall to degeneracy so everyone who's productive has the freedom to succeed. Christ you really are a socialist.

>how would that prevent the exact same situation we have today from developing 150 years from now
Private schools.
Maybe even a Sup Forums sponsored school.
You think the liberal arts would be as popular today if students had to actually expect to get a job post-grad and weren't getting cheap Government loans w/o a background check?

>Let's say that happens: how would that prevent the exact same situation we have today from developing 150 years from now?
That implies what has happened is a natural sociological function rather than a jewish conspiracy.

lol no you just don't know what you're talking about

The ideological motivation for freedom of choice is egalitarianism and individualism. Either way, we had a white ethnostate for 150 years, our system's own weakness caused its collapse.

Maybe. I think we'd have WWIII, but I don't know how many other countries would really be willing to engage America in nuclear war.

Russia with American money, then.

>Holy fuck, go back to InfoWars you colossal faggot. What does Ukraine today have to do with Germany 70 years ago? Individualism is what allows subversive types to flourish.

A Jew is running the only Nazi regime on Earth at this point. Half the people spouting National Socialism in the guise of White Nationalism are likely (((CIA))). If you can't see the ideology hasn't been subverted, I don't know what else to tell you.

>Let's say that happens: how would that prevent the exact same situation we have today from developing 150 years from now?

1) Education, with an emphasis on what happened in regards to our subversion.

2) A re-affirmation in our Constitution about how we were founded as a White Christian nation, and remove the "all faiths" clause.

3) Use of new currencies, particularly crypto-currency, can remove the possibility of Central Banks who subsist on generating fiat.

Government is the series of systems that the nation decides what it does and doesn't do collectively

Damn read a fking book or something

>That implies what has happened is a natural sociological function rather than a jewish conspiracy.
Jewish subversion is a natural sociological function. Read Kevin MacDonald.

Okay, but that isn't a refutation of what I said

>mfw in a libertarian society, the populace is thoroughly encouraged to bear arms
Yes, it is too weak an ideology.

>A Jew is running the only Nazi regime on Earth at this point.
How is the Ukrainian government a nazi regime? You realize authoritarianism does not necessarily mean National Socialism, right?

>Half the people spouting National Socialism in the guise of White Nationalism are likely (((CIA))). If you can't see the ideology hasn't been subverted, I don't know what else to tell you.
Of course it has, but so has literally every other political movement.

>1) Education, with an emphasis on what happened in regards to our subversion.
>2) A re-affirmation in our Constitution about how we were founded as a White Christian nation, and remove the "all faiths" clause.
>3) Use of new currencies, particularly crypto-currency, can remove the possibility of Central Banks who subsist on generating fiat.

I agree with these points, but the only real guarantee is if they're permanently expelled by a government with the means and willpower to keep them out.

>Jewish subversion is a natural sociological function.
Not if we purge das juden

libertarianism is a very new belief system tho

>If the United States were to become Nazi Germany it wouldn't be the United States anymore.

At this point in my life I welcome this

(((They))) will never let it happen.
The best we can hope for is to wake normies up to the Synagouge of Satan and use Christianity as a means to promote

only 250 odd years old

So is the united states.

>If the United States were to become Nazi Germany it wouldn't be the United States anymore.
Just because it wouldn't be the United States wouldn't mean that it wouldn't be America. I have no idea what you're trying to get across here.

Checked, super-satan.

>How is the Ukrainian government a nazi regime? You realize authoritarianism does not necessarily mean National Socialism, right?

You really should research Svoboda a bit:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svoboda_(political_party)

You sure? Instead of them forcing you to be degenerate they would force you to work or kill.

>Yea what a sin to let the dregs of society fall to degeneracy so everyone who's productive has the freedom to succeed.
Okay, but in that scenario the productive successful person and the degenerate person are one in the same.

It's not, though.
It's the base state of human nature.

> they would force you to work or kill.
You're thinking of Stalin

nat soc has quotas just like communism. Remember you would be serving the collective now over the individual self.

Those guys aren't bankrolled by Soros though, are they?

>as long as I have my Netflix and cummies, fuck everyone else

Sounds like a great base to build a strong nation on

Funny you say that, because thats EXACTLY how the US has built itself. The founding fathers would be rolling in their graves at their mistake.

Be a happy consumer and let the kikes do all the fancy political shit for you.

They are. Soros, McCain, Obama and Clinton all teamed up to install them with that CIA insurgency effort which was basically a duplicate of what they did in Egypt, and what they're trying to do here.

Then get the fuck out?

When the Roman Republic became the Roman Empire, it was still Rome.

Huh. Well, I doubt they would actually want those people to come to power, same with the alt-right here. They're just tools to create enough unrest to justify war, in Ukraine, or heavy regulation of the Internet, the end of free speech, and a neoliberal police state in America.

Go say that shit to BLM please

I don't mind, means I have a place where I belong rather than be miserable "searching for myself" I have a place in society which needs me.

Oh no, I'm working for something greater than myself. How terrible

As I said before, they don't really care why type of regime it is - as long as it's a totalitarian system they can control. People get their illusion of choice. They'll remove the existing bankers, set up some goy bankers under the international cartel, and they're good to go.

As for the US - it should be pretty obvious that they're more or less growing National Socialism AND Communism by pitting them against each other. In the end half the country is dead, the constitution is shredded, and they have a permanent puppet regime that's either based on the subversion of the mind, or the subjugation of the sword.

Then join a commune its the same but smaller scale.
You would have no choice in the matter so it would be slavery.

Yah I do, I could leave if I didn't like it.
Whites ended slavery, why do you think there would be slavery in white nation?
I could leave white nation and go live in the multi culti zog wastelands, but that would be fucking stupid.

Literally a fucking nazbol. Hope 50% of America is killed so 98% of the earth wouldn't have to deal with Communism 2.0

The United States Naturalization Act of January 29, 1795 (1 Stat. 414) repealed and replaced the Naturalization Act of 1790. The 1795 Act differed from the 1790 Act by increasing the period of required residence from two to five years in the United States, by introducing the Declaration of Intention requirement, or "first papers", which created a two-step naturalization process, and by omitting the term "natural born." The Act specified that naturalized citizenship was reserved only for "free white person[s]." It also changed the requirement in the 1790 Act of "good character" to read "good moral character."

Any other weak ass questions you got

Same thing.

Pretty sure that poster doesn't want a dictatorship of the proletariat

No socialism itself makes you a slave to the collective. While capitalism makes you an asset. Go live in a commune if you want that but dont try and make the USA something it isnt and shouldn't be.

Yeah, no. Being an anti-capitalist doesn't make me a communist. There are more than two sides. Quit allowing yourself to be Jewed into defending one or the other.

>As I said before, they don't really care why type of regime it is - as long as it's a totalitarian system they can control. People get their illusion of choice.
As I said before, get the fuck out of here with your InfoWars tier garbage. Democracy is what allows these people to subvert and control countries, not authoritarianism.

>They'll remove the existing bankers, set up some goy bankers under the international cartel, and they're good to go.
You just fundamentally do not understand National Socialism. Read the Manifesto for the Abolition of Interest Slavery by Gottfried Feder. The reason Nazi Germany was destroyed was because it refused to cooperate with the international cartel.

>As for the US - it should be pretty obvious that they're more or less growing National Socialism AND Communism by pitting them against each other. In the end half the country is dead, the constitution is shredded, and they have a permanent puppet regime that's either based on the subversion of the mind, or the subjugation of the sword.
They already have all that. What they want is to prevent any future dissent.

Communes don't have markets (black markets don't count in this ex)
National socialism still has a market economy and pricing mechanism.
Look mate, voluntarily living in a place that requires some sore of tithe for social upkeep (like a HOA) isn't communism. You agree to live there, and yes you can leave without punishment cuz there will be no exit tax upon renouncing your citizenship like the stupid US

Socialist ethno states dont have economies just look at NK. The whole world will entrap you just like hitlers europe. You will scream for peace but they will only bring you war or migrants UHEUHUEHE.

>As I said before, get the fuck out of here with your InfoWars tier garbage. Democracy is what allows these people to subvert and control countries, not authoritarianism.

Oh, they were subjugating monarchies since time immemorial. Big governments always want more money for more power. If you teach people the dangers of big government, taking loans, and the benefits of self-reliance.. do they end up getting power over the public?

>You just fundamentally do not understand National Socialism. Read the Manifesto for the Abolition of Interest Slavery by Gottfried Feder. The reason Nazi Germany was destroyed was because it refused to cooperate with the international cartel.

What - do you really think that if you install someone like Richard Spencer that the banking system wouldn't still be under their control?

>They already have all that. What they want is to prevent any future dissent.

Yes, and what better way to do that than stage some Weimar Republic Redux?

>Oh, they were subjugating monarchies since time immemorial.

But they were eventually expelled. Now they're the monarchs.

>Big governments always want more money for more power. If you teach people the dangers of big government, taking loans, and the benefits of self-reliance.. do they end up getting power over the public?

Yes. Yes they do, that's literally what happened to the US.

>What - do you really think that if you install someone like Richard Spencer that the banking system wouldn't still be under their control?

Why would you even infer that? I didn't say anything close to that. Read that book. Hitler didn't just put a new guy in charge of the German banking system, he fundamentally changed the German banking system.

>But they were eventually expelled. Now they're the monarchs.

And the US stopped the Central Bank thing something like 3 times before the Federal Reserve came about.

>Yes. Yes they do, that's literally what happened to the US.

What happened to the US is that they made a side deal outside of the authority of the Constitution and people weren't paying much attention. Are all National Socialists completely incorruptible? I can guarantee you they're not.

People are flawed - and people who desire power go for positions of power. People who desire more power when in a position of power want more money. Power is a drug, and at a certain point people will be corrupted in any ideology - especially when the enthusiasm starts to run out and people stop paying attention.

>Why would you even infer that? I didn't say anything close to that. Read that book. Hitler didn't just put a new guy in charge of the German banking system, he fundamentally changed the German banking system.

I'm well aware of what they did with the banking system. I'm saying that a CIA puppet wouldn't do the same thing.

I don't think the founding fathers were even capable of comprehending the idea that one day Europeans would try to import animals (blacks and asians) by the millions for a purpose other than dumb labor.

It was so far outside the realm of possibility in their minds, that it wasn't worthy of consideration. Multiculturalism was as foreign an idea as the internet, back then.

They did not consider blacks to be 'men'. They considered them property, or below consideration at all.