Why did the left wage a war on Smoking?

Why did the left wage a war on Smoking?

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It raises testosterone and prevents alzheimers.

>everything I don't like is a leftist conspiracy

Smoking has been proven to be bad for your health. It is degeneracy. What is wrong with eradicating it.

a mental stimulant which kept the mind alert and the spirit contemplative

>asks why ((they)) didn't like it

For money, like all things. Get people addicted, then impose bans everywhere they congregate so you can fine them $200 a pop.

So has riding black cock (increased risk of aids) yet your family still insists on choking on it at every occasion.

Smoking is a leftist hobbie you cuck

True redpilled men don't smoke because it gives profits to the jews

this, also it's fine that they outlawed mass produced chemically dried and cured cigarettes --- pipes and cigars are far superior, and making a comeback.

Smoker fags get stressed out if they haven't had a breaky wakey every ten minutes.

>Had to do something requiring even baseline levels of effort
>FUCK man, I really need a cigarette, can everyone keep working but me? I need extra breaks to support my totally not-an addiction habit

This is why I always claimed to be a smoker, so I could fuck off for 10-15 minutes at a time several times a day. Then Thanks smoking culture fags, keep those lungs puffing.

Smoke fags can't even keep up with their own addiction, "ey man, do you smoke, can I bum a cig? can I bum a light? ey man!"

>so I could fuck off for 10-15 minutes at a time several times a day.
You boss lets you fuck off for ten to fifteen minutes several times a day? Are you sure you're not just a LARPing neet?

Tobacco is a natural estrogen blocker, so it helps your body not have xenoestrogens turn you into a tranny.

I legit never met anyone who died or had health issues from smoking, other than being out of breath quickly, but that's most people nowadays.
Also really amazed at the pictures they put on cig and tobacco boxes, like the breathing holes people have in their throats, rotten mouths, that shit never seems to happen.

You'd have to smoke an insane amount for any of this shit to happen to you.
or live in a major city kek

Just to clarify I use dip not smoke.

LOL, dippers are fucking retarded.

Jelly of Big Tobacco shekels and it gives them something else to virtue signal about. The fact that smoking can actually be a health hazard was a secondary concern

Leftshits just like controlling people and telling them what to do. They have been so indoctrinated into the Judaic mindset that they are now wholly men of ressentiment

>the left
At least you Nazis are admitting your blatant leftism now.

ITT:
>people who actually think smoking is good for you
I'm with Bill Hicks, you should be allowed to put whatever substance you want in your own body, no matter how dangerous (or degenerate).
But to deny factual evidence over its dangers, you faggots might as well be flat earthers.

Once you accept the argument "but society bears the cost of medical care for," it can be applied to anything, like motorcycles.

> But to deny factual evidence over its dangers, you faggots might as well be flat earthers.
Redditors compare things to the flat earth.

The government pays scientists, no doubt, to keep quiet or to exaggerate the dangers of smoking so they can justify taxing the hell out of it.

>All these shills for tobacco
(((Tobacco))) makes the kikes filthy rich for completely destroying your lungs
It should be banned

I don't know. It seems like only poor people, specifically liberals and redneck conservatives, smoke.

it reduces audio and visual hallucinations in schizophrenics.

Smoking is for fags. Snus is where it's at

Honestly, worst i've seen (heard to be precise) are women who sound like men after 20-40 years of heavy daily smoking.
That's it. I refuse to believe the pictures on cig packs.

>Grandma died at 89 because of pneumonia
>"If only she didn't smoke, she could have lived till 100.." -Cousin

Fuck that, she smoked for 78 years, didn't get cancer, and died at a ripe old age.

If anything smoking should be encouraged, because population control.

I work at a store and anyone above base employment level gets at least 5 fag breaks a day.

You should say, on that ground we should ban sodomy too. But you're right. This is one reason why the left support public healthcare, since they can strong arm you into accepting their nanny state laws and regulations.

>Why did the left wage a war on Smoking?
Because they're fucking fake wanna-be anarcho-communist morons who ban smoking and smash statues when they should be smashing the state.

Shit you just convinced me, what was I thinking not wanting to smell like shit

Also taxes. A pack of smokes is $3 where I live vs $15+ in Jew York City. Sin taxes like alcohol, cigarettes, and sugar/soda taxes are a means of destroying poor people's purchasing power (since the budget contribution is negligible) and keeping them poor so they continue to vote for welfare and socialism

> kikes
Opinion discarded

the EU makes kikes filthy rich, for completely destroying your culture. [spoiler][/spoiler]Should it be banned?[spoiler][/spoiler]

Both of my grandads died of lung cancer in their 50s
Dont smoke

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>flag
>don't smoke
what the FUCK just happened

Nothing to do with the left. Smoking is addictive and causes serious health issues. Proven over 9000 times.

Only globalist tobacco shills disagree.

holy shit, flashbacks of 1980's Greenspoint Mall in Houston. Heard that place is basically a ghost town now.

Wow so sophisticated. Please share with me all your jpgs on this delicate matter.

> Only globalist tobacco shills disagree.
Yet globalists, i.e. leftists, i.e. socialists, are all in favor of banning it?

smoke is used to banish spirits.

>oh shit, better call him a redditor
Good argument, like all your others in the thread.

>ban cigarettes
>BILLIONS of addicted normies seek alternative
>(((big pharma))) develops 'replacement' therapy
>all is back to normal
not to mention making a multi-billion dollar industry into yet another thing for criminals to exploit

Sup Forums really is the dumbest board

Its an amusing pasta but it seems foreigners were not ready for finnish memes and they bought it

To increase the prices, nigger. You're literally killing yourself and being jewed at the same time.

Uh yeah, my cousin's wife's son died in Sandy Hooks, believe me dumb goy, i mean guy.
Honestly though, who the fuck smokes in such a way that they die from it? I can understand drinking, but not smoking.

Actually, I think the US tobacco industry is one of the only major ones still 100% owned by conservative white families. That's one reason why the kikes were so determined to destroy it.

Smoking is only so dangerous because they added 1000s of chemicals to increase addictiveness and maximize profits through the mass production of tobacco, in concert with hollywood who pushed cigarettes over pipes and cigars massively.

Please study the history of tobacco before you demonize it entirely, I don't mean to be rude or to imply that there are no dangers of smoking, I simply see a lot of ignorance in this thread and want to stand up for a hobby I really enjoy,

The FDA is still trying to regulate cigars and pipes out of existence for the benefit of the cigarette industry as lately as This Year believe it or not.

It's not about banning. Never said anything about banning. It's about encouraging people to stop smoking. It's too late to ban.

So is doing six gorrilion shit the left loves. There has to be something else.
How much of the tobacco industry was jewish?

Well by all means kill yourself and pay for it if thats what you want to do

>look into the marlboro brand
>owned by Altria
>none of the board members are of jewish origin.

Sin taxes are there to pay for healthcare for those people. Diabetic smokers with a pickled liver can cost taxpayers tens of thousands of dollars especially if they are low income. Best case scenario their heart explodes at 40 and they save taxpayers bigtime.

>left

no
compassionate people who dont want humans/loved ones breathing destructive degenerative toxins

You are literally a kike if you are against Jewish poison industries being banned.

They weren't aware of the health benefits of lung cancer.

"Factual" evidence, so called, is a joke. Are you one of those moronic atheist who believe that scientists can't be bought? I won't deny the fact that the guy who doesn't inhale tar smoke every day into his lungs will live longer, but I believe it's highly exaggerated. Just like the fat scare of the 80's was just the sugar industry bribing researchers into publishing anti-fat papers. I am referring to dietary fat.

theguardian.com/society/2016/sep/12/sugar-industry-paid-research-heart-disease-jama-report

> addicted
People form addictions to a lot of things. Cigarettes are just one other thing.

> not to mention making a multi-billion dollar industry into yet another thing for criminals to exploit
Criminals to exploit? Wow. You have that nice socialist rhetoric. Big business = evil. Big government = holy and benevolent.

its fine to smoke, as long as it affects no one else

which includes second hand smoke
and grief that ill effects on YOU will have on those who care about you

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anecdotal fallacy

The left have always been the people the people who think they have the right to tell you what to do if they think it is for the greater good.
Smoking was low hanging fruit, since most smokers already know it is killing them and normies hate having to smell cigarettes in public places.
It was a good way to test propaganda techniques

nicotine is still a very bad toxin

you are only missing out on tobacco-combustion product-toxins

>Le testosterone meme
When will this meme die

But they never mention sodomy... or drugs, because that's a constituency...
Thirty years of "SMOKING IS BAD*"

*Not weed

>Argument
nice response redditor
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>flat

>*Not weed
Weed is adleast safer than tobacco
Tobacco is dried up sprayed with dangerous chemicals over and over again

if i were ever to partake of tobacco i would grow my own and never burn/smoke it but only chew or vaporize it

I once had a girlfriend tell me I smelled very masculine after I sprayed cologne on myself after smoking a cigarette.

Get on my level dipping faggot

Smoking bans indoors mostly came about because of occupational health and safety laws. Waitresses, flight attendants and others in the hospitality industry filed fuckhuge lawsuits for lung cancer linked directly to second hand smoke. Unlike passengers or customers, the employees were trapped in that environment day in day out (8 hour shift is equivalent to being a 2-pak-a-day smoker). Waitresses were in the same category as coal miners and welders when it came to lung cancer.

The "war on smoking" is driven by insurance companies, lawyers and big business, not the entitled left.

>not daubing your skin with minty fresh spit and watching women wet their pants as you walk past them
Get a load of this homo.

Tobacco is harder to grow, plus it doesn't give you a better hit than weed

Socialist rhetoric.
I want to engage you in debate now that you have presented your argument, but don't say retarded things.
Do you understand how illegal drug industries work? And you want to make Tobacco an illegal drug.

Now as for the real meat and bones.
>Are you one of those moronic atheist
yes
>who believe that scientists can't be bought?
absolutely not.
>I won't deny the fact that the guy who doesn't inhale tar smoke every day into his lungs will live longer
Which is reason enough not to actively promote it, but I agree isn't a reason to ban it either.
>but I believe it's highly exaggerated.
The main thing that makes me think it isn't is what i've personally witnessed in my life.
Friends who have had their lungs collapse because they smoked ~40 a day for 7 years.
Basing your argument on personal experience is better than someone else's research, can we agree?

>People form addictions to a lot of things. Cigarettes are just one other thing.
You do understand the difference between physical and mental addiction right?
What you said applies to the latter, not the former.

Like I said, I don't want to ban or control anything because why bother? just think of the bigger picture user.

>And you want to make Tobacco an illegal drug.
Meant *they*

> Do you understand how illegal drug industries work? And you want to make Tobacco an illegal drug.
Don't you think it's a bit hypocritical to tell me not to say retarded things, when you write that I would like to make tobacco illegal? That is CLEARLY not the stance I have taken.

> Basing your argument on personal experience is better than someone else's research, can we agree?
Agreed. I am just not ready to make changes in public policy, while humanity is still held back by publically funded science.

Even if it were, found to be just absolutely horrible. Then it still wouldn't justify being illegal. I think business owners and insurance firms should be free to discriminate against them but not serving them if they smoke, or issuing them a plan if they are smokers.

Much like you wouldn't want sodomy illegal even if it is unhealthy and dangerous.

If the fat scare doesn't convince people of the outright laughable state of modern medicine, nothing will.

>you want me to actually do my own research???

9/11 convinced them that anything was possible.

The fat scare had terrible repercussions for the health of countless Western countries that were inoculated with the belief that fat is bad. Public science fails again.

>Why did the left wage a war on Smoking?
Left wants to ban everything. Smoking is first easy target.

They tried to go for a king (alcohol) but it was false start. But make no mistake this haram would be banned in the future too after they build up banning muscles on smokes and such.

What I fucking hate is how everything is plain packaged now.

I work in a shop and jesus it's annoying when a customer asks for a more obscure pack that I didn't know we stock. Cue me staring blankly at a wall of hundreds of identically packaged boxes trying to find a needle in a haystack.

Yeah well, that's what you get for living in a police state, at least smoking is haram according to the Sharia so you won't have to worry about selling it anymore in the future.

tobacco was imported around the same time as tea so I'll never stop lol

Scientists are the whores of lobbying corporations. How can anybody believe what government payroll scientists think? Science as the new religion needs to die. At least belief in a God promotes morals and a sense of divine purpose.

see
I sux cox

'But overall it seems we agree on the whole 'no ban' thing. but this thread has people in it who unironically think that smoking is good for you
like this guy
this guy
Then there is this guy
who thinks that 'being out of breath' is some kind of symptom unrelated to smoking.

Do you not deny the faggotry that is taking place here?
Your argument is a lot more rooted in logic than theirs is, so you shouldn't take shit so personally user.

Tobacco shouldn't be illegal, people just need personal responsibility and accept the higher healthcare costs that come with it. Currently smokers only pay 50% more for health care coverage and only about 200% more for life insurance.

The tobacco lobby is putting pressure on the government to prevent those rates from going even higher, but insurance companies have to protect those profits. Obamacare is actually protecting smokers by capping penalties at only 50% but eventually it will become prohibitively expensive to be a smoker.

>The fat scare
No such thing. Do we have guro photos and alerts similar to what are on cigarettes pack in fastfood joins, pizza packs etc? No? Fat scare doesn't exist then.

>Been fat and buttfucking shouldn't be illegal, people just need personal responsibility and accept the higher healthcare costs that come with it.

right when you do

there weren't enough jews in big tobacco. it had to be attacked and its profits divided up. too many redpilled execs in big tobacco. smoking contributed to traditional images of masculinity, stoic heroism and unerring resolve. the borderless homogenized, xenoestrogenized new world order cannot have that

Kinda agree with you on that but there are also a lot of men - including myself - that choose not to smoke because of sportive reasons. It hurts your lung capacity

Yea there never was a real fat scare. There was a "scare of the week" such as cholesterol, anotehr week was transfat, another year it was "don't eat butter eat margarine" followed by a year later of "don't eat margarine eat real butter". The lobbyists in America are pretty ruthless and they play the FDA like a fiddle.

Really though the weekly food scares were mostly limited to daytime TV. Oprah would have a paid doctor from the beef lobby explaining "good fat and bad fat" and shit like that.

In school we were taught the same "Food wheel" that our parents learned. A balanced diet in moderation. Real doctors and nutritionists have always stood behind this.

Sure but do you get 15 min breaks? Doubt it

They do. Being obese also raising your life insurance rates and penalties. Some states are putting in a sugar tax the same as a tobacco tax.

ACA currently prohibits premiums for obesity and instead offers wellness bonuses (better rates) to reward people who lose weight in an effort to reward personal responsibility. One day there could be a fat tax though.

Good looking dublin. I really only smoke meerschaum these days though, the briar only goes with me on long truck drives.

Same reason they are pulling down statues right now. They just really like re-organising public culture, and telling people what they can and can't do.

It's degenerate as fuck. No amount of "b-but muh left" is going to change that fact. Deal with it.

meerschaum is great, and probably a good investment considering the state that Turkey is in at the moment -- although the quality in the sculpture is waay down since back in the day, I'm pretty convinced that no real worthwhile artists work with meer

That one looks nice though

It's super hard to find quality, I wish this company didn't close their doors. Etched pipes are almost always shit these days. Smooth bodied meers are really hit or miss because it seems so few work with blocks now, and you're gambling on coloration being shit because of it. You could make your own pretty easily if you get your hands on a block though.

Pic related is my go-to, and has much more coloration now than when this picture was taken.

One last pic for ya, this was the final pipe I picked up from Imp's final stock. It's still unsmoked today. Love the horn shape.

>If anything smoking should be encouraged, because population control.


You uh, you think smoking is going to have any meaningful effect on population?

Are you retarded? It doesn't matter if someone lives to 50 or 80 with regards to smoking, they've already created a new generation.

Don't tell anyone else but there are about 30 still for sale on ebay and I'm definitely going to buy a bunch of them.

Those look really nice but I was really referring to the oldschool meers that look like the european artists were trying to outdo the best roman sculptures - very few still exist and they go for extreme prices. Some guy called Yanik makes interesting (and very expensive pieces) but even those don't have the mark of a dedicated and studied artist, they lack some detail and expressive gesture to be precise.

Turkey wont export raw meerschaum and if the terrorists take over, the entire industry will be done for that's why I'm planning on stocking up on nicer unsmoked pieces as well as some for myself.