Was Nazism left-wing?

There is a huge debate in our internet pages, youtubbers, etc. about whether Nazism was left-wing or not.
Personally I believe Nazism, Fascism and Communism are different branches of the same Revolution Tree, being Classical Liberalism and Protestantism other important branches. What do you think, Sup Forums? And to Nazi Sup Forumslacks here: what exactly do you hate about Commies apart from Jewish content?

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youtube.com/watch?v=1_2XyoxK-uE#t=02m10s.
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If by leftwing you mean socialist, then no, nazism was definitely not leftwing.

It was that lovely third option that combined stable traditional values with forward economic thinking. It was the force that was capable of combing the best aspects of the free market, and additionally the stable aspects of socialism coupled with emphasis on respect to authority.

So to be blunt, it was a bit of both, but we have Hjalmar Schacht to thank for the wondrous economy there during the thirties. God bless him, man was a true genius.

What makes you think they're left wing?

I can see where it would be. Decrying the easy corruptibility of capitalism, opening social programs, so on, so forth. But as I said just above it was more or less a happy combination of both. Something never really found anywhere else in history.

It was partially left wing until the night of the long knives when the "second revolutionaries" (Ernst Rohm, Georg Strasser) were killed at the behest of the Army and Business leaders.


Even the Nazi anthem equivocates "Rottfront und Reaktion" (Communists and Reactionaries).

Welfare state is not socialism.

*equates

Fiscally liberal, socially conservative.
It's like the exact opposite of those retards who say they're fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

Correct, it's a stepping stone. It's more or less pseudo-socialism.

Economically left of center (but not Marxist, obviously)
Socially right-wing as fuck.
This is not that hard, people.

Socio-Economically left wing, culturally right wing

The original, Italian Fascism, was definitely left wing.

Jesus Christ this Nazism was left wing is so retarded. Might as well go around saying Lenin is Hitler or Dems are the real racists. Cringe af

Nazism, Fascism, and Communism are all the combination of business and government. The only way to stop the union of government and business is to greatly reduce the size of government.

At its core, Socialism simply means the workers control the means of production.
In essense, it means individuals are banned, by force, from owning businesses. Hence why it is authoritarian by nature.

In practice, the socialist party would claim to represent the workers, and hence all the means of production now belonged to it.
A common theme among Socialist dictatorships was the conflation between the party, the government and the state. The party became one with the country itself.

The German Nationalist Socialist party did all that to a great extent. It did conflate itself with the German government and state, it essentially became Germany.
It did not seize all the means of production, although many were seized and then handed over to party members.
But even the businesses that were not seized were, to a large degree, forced to work for the party. In most cases industries were rebuilt using promissory notes, on orders of the state.
So yes, to a very large degree, the Nationalist Socialist Party of Germany was (shockingly) Socialist and left-wing.

nazism doesn't exist, it's called national-socialism, and yes it was left wing.

So Georg Straser wasn't left wing?

nope, leftism is egalitarian, anti-hierarchal crap

>Was Nazism left-wing?
No one serious asks this question.

only way to stop the corporation jew is to have a strong government that can stop them from betraying the country or spread degeneracy

It's hard to understand for the cuckservatives (read: liberals) who hate racism, ''sexism'' and some other made up -isms. They want to distance themselves from muh racism and other ''bad'' ideas so they can live in a liberal shithole in peace and whine about taxes being 1% too high.
These people are liberals who think they're blowing minds by suggesting that taxes could be lower.

>Decrying the easy corruptibility of capitalism
I don't see how saying something (capitalism) isn't perfect means they're in favor of doing away with it. Pic related.

>social programs
Is not socialism. The welfare state was created in Germany before Hitler was born and it was done so in order to win working class support away from the socialists at the time.

>it was more or less a happy combination of both
>both
No, again, welfare is not socialism.

kind of, but not commie tier left wing. comparable to social democracy

Except they were definitely economically left wing? Left and right means something on a political spectrum you know, you can't just assume stupid bullshit because nazis and communists fought eachother. Think about what your saying or get the fuck off pol faggot.

Well, it's actually more a compromise and since we're talking about germany here, it's quite convenient to explain. The first proper "welfare state" in history was actually Germany and the history of the policy doesn't go back very far. Bismarck was engaged in a political battle with the catholic church (representing the centrist parties) while he was the face of protestant conservatives - which is now known as the "kulturkampf". Long story short he tried to bring them to heel but failed. However at the same time, genuine socialist movements were arising all over europe with many in germany. Faced with a common enemy, Bismarck and the catholics struck a deal partnership and developed the first welfare state (where workers would get limited rights to medical treatment, pension, days off, etc). Some argue they acted out of christian charity or that it was inevitable as industrialisation progressed and ensuring the wellbeing of the labor force was a pragmatic necessity; while others would say it was a cynical attempt at quelling the fire of the socialist movements. And that model quickly spread across other western european liberal democracies since they too were facing similar socialist uprisings.

Whichever way you want to look at it, it's pretty apparent the welfare state is not socialist in the slightest. It doesn't seek to seize private means of productions and redistributed to the oppressed labor class. It's a massive compromise to maintain the liberal status quo. And by liberal, I mean old economic classic liberalism of adam smith and ricardo, not mordernday virtue-signalling libtards.

So yeah, in a way you could view it as "pseudo-socialism" since it seeks to address some concerns about the workers qualify of life and some minor wealth redistribution through taxation and subsidization of the population. But personally I think that's a stretch.

LIES!! That never works! Government can always be bought!

Well, the fact that Hitler and Stalin were bros until 1941, that both were totalitarian regimes, that Nacional Socialism can be considered a species of Socialism gender, that rivality between Nazists and Communists in Germany (and after between Germany and USSR) can be considered a feud between brothers, unlike Germany and UK, that Catholic Church were against both - and both were against Catholic Church... There are many reasons to think they were equals in essence.

Platonic Republic >>>> Democuckracy and Fascism

so you hand over all the power to the buyers instead

Leave it to a BR to try and active them almonds.

>comparing communism to fascism
>holy fuck m8

Does it matter? They hated the jew. They were an important step in the right dorection.

Power comes from the ability to control and force others to comply. Corporations don't have power if they can't wield the enforcement tools of government.

It's the dumbest fucking argument ever, of course Nazis were fucking right wing:

>state-enforced socioeconomic hierarchies
>pseudo-socialist state that was effectively capitalism: welfare lite edition
>state-sponsored religion
>Racism, holocaust, gulags, etc.
>barred freedom of speech and expression; literally burned books and art

>inb4: Well the USSR did the same thing and they were lef-
The USSR wasn't fucking left wing either after Lenin. None of this is hard to understand

>The USSR wasn't fucking left wing either after Lenin
It wasn't even by the end of his lifetime. Lenin already put in motion state capitalism in 1921 through the NEP to fix the damage left behind by the civil war and war communism.

One little fact that people don't know is that Marx picked ideas from Ricardians, french utopists and Engels.

>National socialism is not socialistic
O-Okay. It was literally socialism with no shitskins and kikes.

there is other ways to force others to comply then by government

>the fact that Hitler and Stalin were bros until 1941
Define "bros"

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/3223834/Stalin-planned-to-send-a-million-troops-to-stop-Hitler-if-Britain-and-France-agreed-pact.html

>both were totalitarian regimes
This as tired an argument as the antifa are the fascists because they use violence. Whether to engage in authoritarianism or not, is not exclusive to the left or the right.

>Nacional Socialism can be considered a species of Socialism
Hitler repeatedly said his "socialism" was not the same or even a variant of iit from other known leftist thinkers like Marx. It's a name, that's it, a name he co-opted to try to appeal to the working class, fascists love doing this, see youtube.com/watch?v=1_2XyoxK-uE#t=02m10s. The people who first began to identity politically as libertarian were socialists (pic related), does that mean pro free marker burger libertarians are socialists? No.

>the democratic people's republic of korea must be democratic because it's in the name
kys

Fucking socialists moron

It was formed by an artfag who hung around in coffee shops, made Disney fan-art, blamed everything on people with "privilege", listened to classical music, was a vegan and animal rights activist, bragged about being a non-smoker, was an environmentalist, and tried to root out 'problematic' things in media (mostly fantasy/sci-fi), wanted welfare, and glorified single mothers.

Face it. If Hitler had been born in the 90s, he'd have his own Sonic OC, watch Doctor Who, be a trans-something-kin, and would virtue signal about how "woke" he was on Tumblr and Twitter.

That's why I understand Marxism was the logical consequence of Classical Liberalism
Classical Liberalism:
>We need to dethrone Ancien Régime!
Marxism
>Why would we stop here?
>What was Molotov-Ribbentrop Agreement
Also, there are studies which claims that actually Stalin made Hitler, and Nazism was a ice-breaker for Communism ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p222_smith.html

>Personally I
Learn your grammar dumbass.

>What was Molotov-Ribbentrop Agreement
Something that Russia was trying to initially avoid?

I posted the link for a reason

>telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/3223834/Stalin-planned-to-send-a-million-troops-to-stop-Hitler-if-Britain-and-France-agreed-pact.html

>The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, named after the foreign secretaries of the two countries, came on August 23 - just a week before Nazi Germany attacked Poland, thereby sparking the outbreak of the war. But it would never have happened if Stalin's offer of a western alliance had been accepted

Kewl good luck with that

You also left out a was a decorated war veteran and genuinely fell for the "stab in the back" meme. There's not a lot of historical evidence that he became a virulent antisemite until he came back from the war. And back then, jew-bashing was literally the norm.

"left" and "right" are not well defined. You can only say something is left or right when comparing with something else. For exemple, the democratic party in the US is left because they are on the left when compared to the republican party, even though they are not socialists (with a few exceptions).
I do belive it is possible to argue nazism is to the left of libertarianism using the very same arguments you would use to say (real)communism is to the left of libertarianism. They obviously drink from the same waters, big gov, corporativism, etc.

yes but no. They were more on the left economically because they did a shit ton of public investments Keynesian style and they disbanded private welfare institutions, but they did that to support traditional social policies which definitely weren't leftist, although they were still collectivist.
People usually say they're third position because fascism and nazism appeared when people weren't satisfied with liberalism anymore but the only other choice at the time was communism, so they stepped in the middle

Socially and economically it was fundamentally left wing.

they are very well defined, in europe left is revolutionary, right is reactionary, centrism is conservatism, in the U.S. left wing means big federal government, right wing means small gov, states and individual rights prevailing over federal legislation.

The fact is that all the post Russian Revolution ideologies, Bolshevism, National Socialism, and Fascism, were all born from revolutionary ideals, the breakaway point was the marxist vs. corporatist conflict.
Many of the people who collaborated with the nazis in France were from the socialist party and various syndicalist-revolutionary non marxist movements, Mussolini himself was from the syndicalist-revolutionary tendency.

>There's not a lot of historical evidence that he became a virulent antisemite until he came back from the war.
I think the Gemlich Letter is the earliest recorded instance of antisemitism from Hitler.

No. National socialism is based purely on teachings of Jesus Christ uniting all of Christendom under one baner and one nation. It's an anathema to leftism.

then explain neo-paganism and anti-christian islamophilia being so present in nazi academics

They nationalized private property. That's commie as fuck.

It's a lie jews told about national socialism. All national socialists were devout Christians by the very design.
There are many lies the people tell about them. They call them pagans, leftists and racists.

are you a spic ?

Then why
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mit_brennender_Sorge
and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_Kolbe
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edith_Stein
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Girotti
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Lichtenberg
?

No. I'm a Christian.
Are you a sodomite?

>All national socialists were devout Christians

Wikipedia is not a reliable source.

Everyone and their gran nationalised shit in the 1930s.

They also created slave labour for German corporations and buddied up to German industrialists.

>Left vs. Right
It transcends the Helegian Dialect, get out of the goyim box you're stuck thinking in my man.

Jesus was a commie too

They nationalised some industries and privatised others. Not really different than any other mixed-economy countries. The only difference is that the pattern the nazis followed indicated a gradual shift towards a war economy.

Except massive private companies profited enormously?

No, He wasn't. Communism is by princible Anti-Christian.
Lies.
National socialism IS Christianity. You cannot be one without the other.

Nah they just took a little superficial leftist rhetoric because Communism was so big in the 30s, then killed anyone who believed that in the night of the long knives.

Most big social programs had already begun under the Weimar government and were just given new PR.

If you call it "Nazism" and not "National Socialism", you're already cucked with fake history.

Don't even try to discuss it. You can't. It's not that you don't know anything, it's that everything you know is wrong.

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>Personally I believe
See, this is why people on the internet are usually wrong. It doesn't fucking matter what you believe, truth is objective. Nazis is LEFTIST, end of story. National Socialism has more in common with Socialism (!?) and Antifa than conservative American government. Take the dicks out of your mouths and educate yourself, leftist faggots

They also began what we began calling privatization. They were CENTER, third position.

nazism and the REAL fascism are outside of the righ and left spectre. This is why is called the third way.

I agree?

>anti-christian islamophilia
If you want the answer just look around you today. Christians (((turning the other cheek))) as their people are slowly conquered. Christianity is weakness.
Hitler wanted the Middle East to become more stable so he introduced National Socialism to Arabs/Muslims. That's as far as Hitler's insights into Islam went. It was entirely politics.

if anything the current ideology of the E.U. elite is closer to third reich neue rechte academia than to any form of christian theology

Hitler wanted to Christianise arabs like he wanted to Christianise rest of the World. This is the final goal of national socialists: all people under Christ.

>is the system that forcefully seized private property and distributed it among its cronies left-wing

Their only left-winged notion is anti-semitism.

if it quacks like socialism and walks like socialism it is socialism

>faggot LARPer with faggot flag
Could you please gas yourself asap?

>state controlled economy
leftist. not """""3rd way"""" you paela fucking monkey

THIS. You are the first person I've ever seen say that. For us who actually read the Word this is obvious. Thank you, I'll sign off now before the next post.

No, it's YOU who needs to gas yourself. Christian society doesn't need you.

>Communism is by princible Anti-Christian.
I'm not one but christian commies exist, one wrote the pledge of allegiance for Burger land.

money is not always the highest power. government being bought is just the natural conclusion of capitalism, not the natural conclusion of government

>Wikipedia invented anti-Nazism Encyclical and martyrdom of blessed and saints by Nazists
>Jesus said some races were above others

National socialism opposes racism. It's all kike propaganda.

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you don't even know what racism means and literally use the kike-proofed definition of it

So what? They wanted to work with Fritz Lang))), regardless of his Jewish ancestry. youtube.com/watch?v=wk22GME79S0

>National socialism opposes racism
It sure does.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhineland_Bastard

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Fuck off retard, national socialism and fascism were revolutionary movements agaisnt marxism, capitalism and traditionalism (in politics). They are outside the left and right bullshit... Go and put Man, Economy and State inside your ass, faggot.

Again. Kike propaganda.
German Reich was not an ethno state. It was a multiethnic country based on principles of Chrisian faith. "Race" doesn't matter to a national socialist. Faith does.

kek

>I'll use whatever cannon fodder i can get to fight this World War, this totally means i love all the races guis

it wasn't "socialist" in the normal denomination of socialism. But we could say it was a national type of socialism

There are no "races" you kike shill. Find me a verse in the Bible talking about "races".
Racism is for inbreed american hicks. National socialist must be free of it.

>if we change the definition of socialism, then it is socialism
You're still conflating welfare and socialism, user.

>implying there is only a single type of socialism