The injection of Nazi LARPing and Hitler edginess into the alt-right is a subversion tactic meant to discredit the movement and make it distasteful to normies, thereby neutering it before it has a chance to gain true power.
Stop waving Nazi flags at rallies, it's stupid, Polish people hate them, British people hate them, for fuck's sake nobody likes Nazis, we fought a war against them. Our enemy IS the elite Jewish communist cabal, the comparisons to Hitler's Germany are clear, sure. But for the love of FUCK for this to work the movement has to be UNIQUELY AMERICAN. Gadsen flags, Confederacy IF you're a southerner, white identity is for real but don't revive an old enemy. Do not imitate the fools
Nazi symbolism is inevitable in far right movements because it has become understood as the antithesis to liberal, left wing positions and causes them the most offense. So in a sense you're right that the left is the reason nazi imagery is so appealing to the right but it's not intentional subversion.
If you don't understand this or at least consider the idea and instead double down on your conspiracy then you are a confirmed concern shill.
Grayson Robinson
This. >it's stupid, Polish people hate them, THIS. Fuck you. >left wing positions Socialism is left wing.
Jackson Williams
Why are we basing anything on whether the Poles or Brits like it or not? Yes, swastikas and salutes should be left at home. Only an idiot or plant brings such things to right wing rallies. But the ideology is sound, and can be molded to fight the current day environment.
Adrian James
>>left wing positions >Socialism is left wing. You can't read.
See >it has become understood as
I didn't say it wasn't you overzealous libtard.
Charles Murphy
The funny thing is the left is so bad that America is accepting nazism. Antifa is normalizing nazis.
Anthony Taylor
there's always going to be people pushing the limits and using nazi flags, just like there's going to be people on the left using communist flags.
nobody expects left-wingers to reject communism. why? because they control the narrative in this country. we need to take back the narrative, and cucking won't get us there.
not to mention it's totally impossible to stop people from using nazi iconography. it's just going to happen, we need to just shrug our shoulders and move on
Parker Richardson
>tl;dr BECOME A EXTREMIST CENTRIST DRESS UP AS ANTIFA AND VVAVE AROUND NAZI FLAGS GO TAKE BASEBALL BATS TO RALLIES AND BEAT BOTH SIDES UP
Gabriel Smith
You are missing the point. It is too divisive and rooted in another country's history. A more successful and calculated move would be to create a fresh, pro-American, pro white (not anti-xyz, more Jared Taylor type), economically and prosperity oriented movement.
Camden White
Yes, right wing need to do something like Khrushchev did cutting off communism from Stalin, calling him a war criminal and that he twisted ideology to gain power and that he did a lot mistakes and they can fix them
Making Hitler and Reich seem like ideal and hiding mistakes only makes nationalists look like crazy to normies. Without saying what they can do better than Hitler and what mistakes he did, they won't achieve anything
Ethan Gutierrez
Problem is: if leftist media controls the news, you can go dressed like a carebear with heart flags, they'll say you're a Nazi and the heart is a hate symbol.
Evan Lee
Best way to fight subversion is to fully accept the subversion tactics as your own, and embracing it to a level beyond that which the shills were ready to shill their tactic at.
Still subverts alt right into a nazi group? Hell yeah we will double the high score of the nazis.
Shill subverts us as racists? Hell yeah we want to cut down rainforests and kill endangered beasts as well!
Just fucking own it m8. The response you get is hilarious. There's no reason to take shill debates seriously anyway, might as well fuck with their minds.
To fight it is to be distracted. They want you to fight their subversion constantly. Quit trying to bilge the water out of your ship and let yourself become a submarine!
Gabriel Gutierrez
This is valid. I think though the left has made a mistake of being soft on communism. It has made people more open to communism, a shit tier murderous ideology. Nazism is better but not by a large margin because America is such an ethnically mixed country already It's gonna be doomed to fail without a racewar taking place (edgy responses incoming). Both Nazism and communism are 20th century ideologies and need to stay there desu senpai
Kayden Cook
>overzealous libtard. I'm not, don't confuse classical liberalism with todays liberalism. And I'm a conservative traditionalist nationalist as well.
Jacob Sanders
Precisely this
Thomas Cox
Found the jew.
Xavier Brooks
well what you say is partly true. But remember there are also unironically some retarded stormfag type idiots who think they're going to lead a glorious new revival of a failed idealogy. Sad thing is that classic imperial Americanism is not only more attractive it would be more successful and draw tons of normies
Hudson Diaz
It was just an insult (one that can equally be applied to classical liberals or libertarians in my view) because you were jumping at the opportunity to make the stale point that "nazis are socialist" without seemingly bothering to read the post.
Nolan Cooper
14 out in the open 88 in private. You can still like the philosophy without parading it in rallies.
John Parker
>without seemingly bothering to read the post. I admit, I skimmed through it. >88 in private Kys.
Jackson Collins
Aren't you feeling a little sleepy?
Christopher Baker
Assange RT'd this today, i would suggest instead of "free-speech rally" just change it to ouright Nazi rally, AND on federal land (national monuments). This will signal to all sane people not to attend and bring out the nuts to be arrested.
Carson Hall
No, OP, it's a golden oppourtunity. If we can stratigically control the Nazi LARPers, we can control where the paid antifa AND BLM go.
Mason Bennett
>Best way to fight subversion is to fully accept the subversion tactics as your own, and embracing it to a level beyond that which the shills were ready to shill their tactic at. >Still subverts alt right into a nazi group? Hell yeah we will double the high score of the nazis. >Shill subverts us as racists? Hell yeah we want to cut down rainforests and kill endangered beasts as well! >Just fucking own it m8. The response you get is hilarious. There's no reason to take shill debates seriously anyway, might as well fuck with their minds. >To fight it is to be distracted. They want you to fight their subversion constantly. Quit trying to bilge the water out of your ship and let yourself become a submarine!
Hail Hitler o/
Jeremiah Martinez
I literally called out the jew in the OP. You have to understand you need to be palatable to normies. The jew redpill should be one of the last they take, not the first thing thrown at them
Adrian Lopez
Stop using "literally" in every fucking sentence you inbred hick.
Levi Russell
Nah I understand that. And while it may be appealing to some, it won't be appealing to average Americans, centrists, normies, voters. There are probably elements of conspiracy in it but I'm more trying to warn against people against using Nazi imagery in protests thinking it's going to be a positive or successful thing
Aiden White
The elites are not only the Jew
Angel Davis
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Eli Ward
Actually the first time I used it. I bet you don't even know who the pic in OP is. Braindead commie retard. Stop using ad hom and maybe refute an actual point for once you low IQ cuckold fuck
Leo Smith
You certainly don't see Antifa waving around Stalin and Mao pictures and quotes everywhere. On top of that natsoc is just another branch of leftist authoritarian pap no matter how much people try to dress it up otherwise.
Bentley Kelly
You dick lickers are unable to form a fucking sentence without using "literally" Carry on goofball.
Adam Lopez
The Hitler stuff is meant to shove the white man towards communism. Do not engage.
Ryan Moore
>failed idealogy
You can't even spell it right. And it only "failed" because Jews rallied the biggest military powers in the world to defeat them. You even sided with commies.
>Sad thing is that classic imperial Americanism You've had that for the last 50+ years. It has been useless, destructive and has failed to conserve anything.
Also I don't know why you keep pushing the "pro-American" meme. Not all of us are American.
No one was "waving Nazi flags". There was literally one flag, probably a plant, and it wasn't waved. No one can do shit other than organizers doing more screening.
>You certainly don't see Antifa waving around Stalin and Mao pictures and quotes everywhere.
You'll see plenty of Hammer & Sickle symbols among them, a lot more than "Nazi flags". Most people don't bat an eye because the media sides with them, and Marxist indoctrination in schools.
>On top of that natsoc is just another branch of leftist authoritarian pap no matter how much people try to dress it up otherwise. Do you also think monarchies are "leftist authoritarianism"?
How long are you gonna keep whining about this?
Easton Watson
OP is right and you all know it. The fucking Nazi flag is a mistake. Use the confederate flag if you need a rallying point to show supremacy. It'll not only get a you a lot of support from the south, you could probably get conservatives of a certain age range on your side.
Luis Miller
The Nazi flag faggot was a plant. It was all staged.
Joshua Robinson
>the alt lite believes this
Lmaoin at ur lyfe rite now
Joshua Garcia
Nobody is even injecting that shit in general. It's always one or two retards doing stupid shit for the media to put it under a microscope. If alt-right rallies had good dress codes and better rules/organization I think they would think twice, but as it stands one dumbass can fuck everything up for the rest of the group because they can't not affiliate with the guy. They should be able to just say, "No, look at our publicly available rules, we're white nationalists, not Nazis" and then everyone can go home and heil Hitler with their buddies in private.
Elijah Perry
m8 take your insecurity back to plebbit. You're not gonna change anyone's actions by whining on a taiwanese basket-weaving forum, whoever brings out Nazi flag (plant or not) isn't gonna care about you write here.
>"show supremacy" You literally talk like leftist.
National Socialism and Confederates aren't interchangeable.
Gabriel Barnes
If true, it doesn't surprise me in the least. Politics changed since Trump. I honestly can't wait to see how crazy it'll all get.
Liam Barnes
>THISMOVEMENTAGAIN >H >E >M >O >V >E >M >E >N >T
Jaxson Torres
Are you fucking retarded? Nobody gave a fuck about this place before Trump got big, MAYBE if I'm being extra generous Sup Forums started getting more high profile during the George Zimmerman trial.
This place used to be way more oriented around holocaust denial and Jewish conspiracies before the 2016 elections. To deny it is to betray the fact that you're a newfag or really fucking shit at PR.
Most of the culture surrounding "the alt right" grew out of Sup Forums, who in turn had been cultivating pro-Hitler / anti-Jew sentiment since at least 2009 if not earlier. Yes, it makes the far right look really bad to normies but its not like the FBI or someone injected it into the fabric of "the alt right" a week ago to make us all look bad or something. Own it, ya fuckin vagina
Noah Williams
There's no point trying to convince them, Nazi LARPers don't actually care about saving western civilization or white people, obviously, as long as they can continue their retarded fantasy.
Colton Nelson
I've been telling you idiots for years that natsocs were retard genetic trash and to police them, now you're stuck with these underclass retards stealing the media spotlight >HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA >HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA >HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Levi White
Don't know what's a plebbit nor I am trying to change anybody's action. I have no stakes in your little game kid.
Politics are about branding. Not ideals. Only children do not know this.
Jaxon Ortiz
>The injection of Nazi LARPing and Hitler edginess into the alt-right is a subversion tactic Charlottesville gave us the wake up we needed. Don't worry.
Joshua Sullivan
I've been on Sup Forums since like 2007 I know all about what you're talking about. You miss my point. The alt right as a movement needs to outgrow Sup Forums to make tangible change in the real world. What I'm suggesting is an option to how the evolution of the movement could take place.
Gabriel Ward
the alt-right "movement" was created specifically to make old Sup Forums rhethoric on jews, races and history inaudible and muddied. alt-right doesn't exist, people who talk about alt-right are useful idiots or the enemy, same as people who stopped naming the jews and started using ((()))
Evan Wood
see >the movement were doing just fine fuck off
Juan Hughes
>The injection of Nazi LARPing and Hitler edginess into the alt-right is a subversion tactic meant to discredit the movement and make it distasteful to normies, thereby neutering it before it has a chance to gain true power.
this. Anyone who complains when we try to get rid of roman salutes and swastikas is a shill.
Remember the guy with the Nazi flag at Unite the Right? Yea turns out he was a fed all along
John Bennett
You're absolutely right.
Kayden Ward
>a word
Well what the fuck else are you supposed to call it. Quit being obsessed with semantics
Kevin Williams
wow yea and the last 50 years of nazi larping has really worked well hasn't it? they've really made big progress by flying those nazi flags havent they? did you ever think we might be in a new kind of world with the internet that requires a new kind approach?
FUCK OFF
Cooper Hill
The kids love it!
Kayden Flores
Sup Forums is an entity separate to "the movement". Honestly we need to start meeting up in real life and learning how to organize as well as the left does, our willful individuality is our one major weakness. Depending on the internet to communicate and organize is precisely the reason you get some random edgelord neckbeard showing up dressed like a fag and making you look bad.
If local chapters started meeting up irl the larpers could be rightfully mocked so that they don't embarass you when you're under the national spotlight. Plus if shit starts to heat up it'd be a good idea to be able to meet with a group of people you know and trust in the event of civil unrest rather than all of us hiding in our homes and taking potshots of passerby while f5'ing Sup Forums trying to figure out what the fuck's going on
Elijah Harris
I been here since 2006 and what I wanna know is how you could be around for this long and all of a sudden come to the conclusion that our implied community has some sort of goal oriented meaning for this Alt Whatever bullshit so much so that you want to lecture on the nazi board about how we should up and change for your political ideals.
Youre a liar, a nigger and not fit to be trusted. Shove your movement up your ass. Tire of these fucks
Jaxson Walker
Wrong. Replace Nazi with "Confederate" and "White Supremacy" and you have a valid point.
The true patriots of this country understand how unequivically Un-American a Zionist-controlled monopoly is.
www.theZOG.info/list-summaries
Logan Rivera
The only reason people don't like Nazi's is because Hollywood Kikes created the Holohoax. Pull the veil that is over everyone's eyes and they would be National Socialists too.
You're a faggot for associating stupid fucking skins heads and their dumb nigger neo-nazi movement where they actually hate niggers because of the color of their skin to actual Nazi's who fought with Blacks, Asians, Muslims and Jews that all swore fealty to the Reich.
You can fuck off you faggot kike.
Zachary Harris
He is right and you are wrong. Your intentionally trying to sabotage the white race.
Connor Hughes
Sup Forums used to be a board full of people with varied opinions joined by the hatred of the semite, there was very little larping until 2011 and the real explosion was when reddit invaders, of which you belong, started flooding in at the start of the latest american primaries.
Noah Lee
Another idiot using "literally" in every fucking sentence.
Jayden Brooks
100 CE Tacitus writes anti-Jewish polemic in his Histories (book 5 (perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext ?lookup=Tac.+Hist.+5.1)). He reports on several old myths of ancient antisemitism (including that of the donkey's head in the Holy of Holies), but the key to his view that Jews "regard the rest of mankind with all the hatred of enemies" is his analysis of the extreme differences between monotheistic Judaism and the polytheism common throughout the Roman world.
495 A Jewish uprising in Alexandria claims the lives of many Christians.[14] Bishop Cyril forces his way into the synagogue, expels the Jews and gives their property to the mob. Later, near Antioch, Jews are accused of ritual murder during Purim.[15] Christians confiscate the synagogue.
1195 After falsely being accused of ritual murder with no evidence, the daughter of Rabbi Isaac bar Asher ha-Levi is murdered, dismembered and her body parts are hung around the market place for days. Ha- Levi was killed the following day along with 8 other Jews after trying to recover what was left of his daughter’s body from the mob.
Christopher Diaz
1235 The Jews of Fulda, Germany were accused of ritual murder. To investigate the blood libel, Emperor Frederick II held a special conference of Jewish converts to Christianity at which the converts were questioned about Jewish ritual practice. Letters inviting prominent individuals to the conference still survive. At the conference, the converts stated unequivocally that Jews do not harm Christian children or require blood for any rituals. In 1236 the Emperor published these findings and in 1247 Pope Innocent IV, the Emperor's enemy, also denounced accusations of the ritual murder of Christian children by Jews. In 1272, the papal repudiation of the blood libel was repeated by Pope Gregory X, who also ruled that thereafter any such testimony of a Christian against a Jew could not be accepted unless it is confirmed by another Jew. Unfortunately, these proclamations from the highest sources were not effective in altering the beliefs of the Christian majority and the libels continued.[57]
1250 Saragossa: death of a choirboy Saint Dominguito del Val prompts ritual murder accusation. His sainthood was revoked in the 20th century but reportedly a chapel dedicated to him still exists in the Cathedral of Saragossa.
1288 The Jewish population of Troyes is accused of ritual murder. 13 Jewish martyrs are burned at the stake, sacrificing themselves to spare the rest of the community.[66]
1546 Martin Luther's sermon Admonition against the Jews contains accusations of ritual murder, black magic, and poisoning of wells. Luther recognizes no obligation to protect the Jews.
Justin Gutierrez
1639 Jews of Lenchitza are accused of ritual murder after a young child is found dead in the woods. The blame falls on the Jews after a local gentile named Foma confesses to the crime then says he had been coerced into doing it by the Jews. Despite the lack of evidence, two Jewish elders named Meyer and Lazar are arrested and tortured, and eventually quartered publicly.[130]
Charles Williams
>The injection of Nazi LARPing and Hitler edginess into the alt-right is a subversion tactic You clueless nigger, Sup Forums's had Nazi flags since 2013 (pic related) Not to mention /new/ and /n/ (proto-Sup Forums)'s had Nazi symbolism throughout the late 00s.
Owen Scott
1910 The 1910 Shiraz blood libel was a pogrom of the Jewish quarter in Shiraz, Iran. It was sparked by accusations that the Jews had ritually murdered a Muslim girl. By the end of the pogrom, 12 Jews were killed, 50 or so were wounded, and 6,000 were robbed of all their possessions.
Joshua King
Did American Fascists/Natsocs ever create their own flag etc?
Levi Carter
1928 The Massena blood libel was an instance of blood libel against Jews in which the Jews of Massena, New York, were falsely accused of the kidnapping and ritual murder of a Christian girl in September 1928
Hudson Cooper
I like Sup Forums but I care about my people and my country more. I don't think you understand, what's going on with Trump, the media, the political violence in the real world right now is an outgrowth of something that started here. It's not "le sekrit club" anymore. It's not about "staying true" to the Sup Forums tier values anymore. It's about actualizing the sentiments many people feel on this board into something real, and that involves compromise and branding
Ethan Campbell
If you see anyone waiving a nazi flag at our rallies, just ask them to put it away. If they don't put it away, tear it from their hands. It sounds edgy but it's simple as shit because neo-nazis are cowards who won't fight back.
Isaac Edwards
Kekistani and you see how that went. Extra light civic nationalism no different really than the standard republican party line
Ryder Sanders
Oh sorry misread your post. I'm high as hell rn. American natsocs I'm not sure
Luke Lee
>Kekistani I don't think that really counts.
Joseph Taylor
>fresh >rehashing the same ideas that failed so dismally in the past few decades Pick one
Evan Reyes
you can go and do that on reddit, trumplet
and then you get shot because the dude wasn't a neo-nazi but a national socialist
Isaiah Long
Maybe we shouldn't have violent impulsive man-babies who have temper tantrums at our rallies then?
Kayden Perez
maybe you shouldn't assault someone because you disagree with his opinions ?
Logan Carter
>assault So ripping a piece of cloth is assault now? Just way till I shoot the fuckers and they scream in physical pain.
Josiah Richardson
Maybe don't make a rally about free speech or some shit like that
Caleb White
Got any other suggestions
Nazi flags will never work. Never in American politics. It carries too much baggage. It will only alienate people that would be otherwise sympathic to your politics. That's all I'm trying to say
Nolan Perry
probably. look up the american silver legion
Nolan Harris
Why don't we make a rally on mental illness rights? These neo-nazi scum need it because they're all mentally ill.
Nathan Cooper
This is an independent think tank to discuss politically incorrect topics openly. Not a recruitment center for politically correct ideas. Get off my fucking lawn.
Josiah Nguyen
Sup Forums is barely apart of Sup Forums culture anymore. Just go on [s4s] if you want shitposting.
Juan Stewart
user, the issue is that you can't have a free speech rally and then supress free speech.
Xavier Rivera
Read my other posts
Alexander Ramirez
stealing someone's property with the usage of force is and warrants self defense
Jace Gonzalez
Don't care. I want people to join the cause without autistic adults getting in the way. It's not stealing if the intention is to "destroy hate speech". And I can use self-defense if he attacks me.
Gavin Miller
no no yes
Connor Powell
Wrong. It's the generic swatika-waving natsoc skinhead of the 80s and 90s who did the hard work of carrying this knowledge about marxism and the jews from WWII to you, the soft "enlightened" alt-righter/identitarian/whatever you call yourself. I can agree with "keep swastikas as your homes and RAC concerts" but you're not gonna totally remove that symbolism because it's such an immediate, volkisch unifier.
Jose Mitchell
>I want Don't care
How autistic is someone that can't even be internally consistent with his bullshit, user?
Robert Garcia
so basically you consider speech you don't like as warranting assaulting someone and stealing his property, but you don't think that assaulting someone warrants self defense and defending yourself is basically being a man-baby throwing a tantrum.
Carson Hernandez
No you read nigger. Youre worse than a Jehovas Witness and your polo shirt and slacks getup is going to embarrass you and your movement and your branding just as much next time you geek.
>inb4 come to muh geocities site and make an account to save muh country. This shit happens every time and you fucks fall for it.
Gabriel Torres
>The uniform shirts bore a scarlet letter L over the heart: an emblem meant to symbolize Loyalty to the United States, Liberation from materialism, and the Silver Legion itself. The blocky slab serif L-emblem was in a typeface similar to the present-day Rockwell Extra Bold.
>The Roman L was the Silver Legion's official symbol.
That could work, honestly. It's not overtly fashy and relates to Liberty. You ought to encourage the LARPers to take it up instead of German nonsense.
Lucas Jenkins
yes goy, attack white people to "destroy hate speech". it's for the good of the white identity movement, goy!
gas yourself you crypto-leftist
Nolan Perez
I salute you OP
Kayden Nguyen
Shut your burka hole lol
Austin Rivera
>It will only alienate people that would be otherwise sympathic to your politics. Why doesn't the tards not understand this?