Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
Daily reminder there's no reason not to kill yourself in a secular materialist perspective, much less care about the well being of others for absolutely no reason whatsoever
Ian Perry
Greetings comrades
Thomas Smith
Question to commies:
In what way have you been negatively affected by capitalism personally?
Jose Watson
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Nicholas Allen
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Robert Thompson
Increasing cost of living and stagnant wages. Automation will displace large chunks of the population into homeless and poverty. Capitalist exploitation of worker. Workers will be better off under communism.
Nathaniel Hall
Jess Southern is one of us, unlike her right wing sister
James Edwards
What are you chatting about lad
Jonathan Myers
Capitalism pushes costs of living up, while wages down, forcing people to choose between economic stability and having a family. Thus, the birthrate is falling, while women, in pursuit of providers, whose number is dwindling, become ever bigger gold-diggers. And all people are consuming larger and larger amounts of anti-depressants.
Lincoln Rodriguez
Lmfao, how many unskilled Mexicans walked into the country between 1989 and 2013?
I've never met an economically literate communist. It would be an oxymoron
John Taylor
>every lefty group in australia is idpol how do we fix this? we the left ever be free of idpol?
Lincoln Ortiz
>gommie generals A ok here cause its politics. >natsoc general on lefty/pol/ insta perma ban nice safe space faggots.
Ian Reyes
Every Communist society throughout all of history has been a failed state.
Matthew Foster
Being forced to deal with the illiterate propaganda the mainstream news pushes onto me. Being forced to deal with employers who think they own me. Being forced to deal with people who hate their jobs and project that onto me. Being forced to live in a society which is increasingly driven by identity politics.
Michael Green
So you personally were exploited as a worker is what I'm getting at? What was you're job and wage --Or is that just some copy/paste communist demagoguery that holds no relation to your personal life?
John Flores
All communists are aidetic faggots and must be removed from the this world forever
Anthony Hughes
> And all people are consuming larger and larger amounts of anti-depressants.
Right of course thats Capitalism and not the death of God
Jacob Martin
More failed States! Fuck economic incentives lmao
Caleb Mitchell
Everyone has been exploited as a worker
Chase Adams
Communism hasn't happened yet and socialism has been successful.
Andrew Wilson
>think it's not communist friendly faggots pushing for identity politics >think it's not people who hate their existence that turn to communism >think dealing with employees is bad, but with communist bureaucrats it will be good >think communist propaganda is somehow better than liberal propaganda on the news
neck urself faggot
Dylan Roberts
Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness.
Nathan Martin
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage four Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD
Easton Gray
>is the demand for their real happiness.
Except you'll never find that, just even more misery. As you remain as you always have been alone and without purpose
Jaxson Walker
>le not real communism meme >non ironically believe in this >let's try again, this time it will be REAL COMMUNISM
Jonathan Bailey
>lefty group >idpol They are liberals, not actual leftists. You stuff them into woodchippers.
Easton Walker
Explain, was your cost of living increased to a straining level? In what parts of your day-to-day spending?-- any sort of debts? What is your job and how low is your wage? Explain how it's wronged YOU, don't just give some run-of-the-mill Marx-babble.
Xavier Howard
Which one is leftypol
Ethan Anderson
>Who would win, Capitalism or a bunch of Mexicans That pic lmao Aww Great post. This is extremely depressing See Workers under capitalism are by definition exploited by the capitalist class.
Oliver Williams
cite the definition of communism for my and tell me how it applied to an existing state
Carson Morris
rly make me think how under REAL communism, everyone would ride the wave of wealth
Luke Thompson
Yes, yes, but how were you personally exploited? In what ways? What is your line of work where you were exploited?
Angel Turner
i'll take, what is a kibbutz for 5000 alex
Daniel King
>natsoc general on lefty/pol/ insta perma ban The clue is in the name faggot
Ethan Campbell
Strange that the revolutions always find a way to MISS the REALZ communism
Rly makes me thankzz
Jonathan Mitchell
>I think the Left, at its core, is the belief that equality is morally good, and almost everything that can be done in order to sanction and achieve equality is morally efficacious. The Left in all of its guises, because there are a multiplicity of Lefts, including various forms of liberalism at the present time that very much go under the general rubric of Left-of-center orientations, but all of them are very moralistic. The Left loves to moralize issues, loves to think of itself as morally on the right side, and loves to think of itself as the sort of harbinger of human liberation in various ways. And it all stems from the belief that equality is a good that must be maximized and legislated for whenever possible, and this means, perforce, that inequalities are bad, that anything that’s elitist, that anything that’s hierarchical, anything that sets man against man or versions of human beings against each other in any shape or form, needs to be, if not done away with, then legislated for, deconstructed, shifted about a bit, and changed so that the rising tide of equality is always apparent and coming even more broadly into view.
Charles Lewis
Dank memes coming through....
Thomas Rogers
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Ethan Howard
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Camden Reed
Are you really this clueless on how it is supposed to work?
Andrew Wilson
It what ways did your employers "think they owned" you? What is your current line of work? How are your current living conditions?
Colton Brooks
move to a kibbutz
Benjamin Bailey
>I wont be happy until everyone is as miserable and broke as I am.
Julian Mitchell
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Zachary Ortiz
Кoммyнизм этo пoлнoe гoвнo, cпpocитe y любoгo pyccкoгo. Пpocтo eвpoпeйцы тyпыe и нe пoнимaют этoгo. Cocи хyй, пидopы.
Juan Rivera
>marx was a german who moved to england >communism still gets stereotyped as russian
Levi Stewart
>I believe human inequality is the basis of life, but also the basis of morality, because I believe inequality is a moral force. The real division between the Left and Right is not about people who support socialized medicine or even much more harsh measures, if you like, or divisive measures like ethnicity or abortion or whatever. The real division, philosophically, is those who believe that equality, enforced or otherwise, is a moral good (broadly the general Left) and those who believe—and are often are too frightened to say so—that inequality is a moral good, which is what the philosophical Right really believes in.
>Even the most moderate center-Right figure, the John Majors of this world, talk about freedom, opportunity. If you have opportunity, you’ll have inequality even in a Marxian system. So, although they’re frightened to mention the I-word, if you like, all Rightist movements from the most moderate to the most radical, right across the spectrum, believe that inequality is inescapable, is a fact, has to be lived through, has to be dealt with, and is actually the way things should be.
Charles Garcia
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Ayden Cruz
Only the bourgeoisie have to worry.
Bentley Moore
This graph is retarded and misses its own message, conveniently leaves out Hunter-Gatherer and other primal societies and neglects to recognize that Feudal societies were actually far more decentralized than industrial capitalism
But hey who am I to expect communists to actually know Dialectical Materialism
Jeremiah Morales
I see that you say we're automatically exploited, but in what ways, and further, how has that exploitation affected you personally? Seriously, you commies are extremely elusive about giving any lived experience of this supposed exploitation.
Marx didn't believe in equality. To each according to his ability implies the opposite.
Easton Ortiz
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage four Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD
Kayden Rodriguez
КOMMУHИЗM ЭTO ГOBHO
John Robinson
People don't want to talk about their personal life to some faggot on Sup Forums
Lucas Foster
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Isaiah Jenkins
Its a generalization but you still miss the point, the only thing that matters is the last stage, it doesn't exactly move in a straight line to reach it.
Logan Collins
>Muh materialist dialectic >u really ignorant to dismiss it, drumpflet? >can't u see that my intellect is superior, and my theory is dank >"Everybody's chill" >Because they were more genocides under the attempt of another revolution, headed by jewish foreigners to the national body
Camden Kelly
O fug dhads a shid ideology :DDD
Charles Morgan
Oh another one of these. Sage.
- Marx was a journo spook meant to stop the masses from ever focusing on wealthy elites of whom he was a family member - He was literally a Satanist
- Lenin and Stalin were both spook plants, and the entire aim of Bolshevism was murder.
- Stop posting commie swastikas, it's an evil ideology.
Anyone using Marx in arguments today is a simpleton or useful idiot.
Once again: Communism is a morally bankrupt philosophy based on the goal of murdering as many Orthodox Slavs as possible. It is not logically consistent or well thought out because that was never Marx's job - he was a journo spook first and foremost.
Austin Gomez
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Parker Adams
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Josiah Jenkins
t. can't separate a philosophy from the states that tried to interpret it
Joseph Mitchell
>wants to create a equal society >already looks down on people on the internet
this is exactly why communism always fails, people dont want to be equal, but better than others.
Noah Peterson
>To each according to his ability implies the opposite. >To each
"""Communists""" ITT can't even keep track of their own basic adages, I'm out
Caleb White
>t. faggot on Sup Forums
Andrew Stewart
I was born in USSR and it's so pathetic to watch Americans trying to meme communism back to life
Sebastian Butler
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Ian Bell
>It what ways did your employers "think they owned" you? Abused me verbally when they had a bad day or fucked up. >What is your current line of work? Physical labor >How are your current living conditions? Pretty good. Life is what you make of it.
Nolan King
Hello gomrades! X_DDddDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of ebin revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. X_-DDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :-DDDDd >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all FUG. When capitalists run away we win and I gill you all. Eventually the fungtions of state stob and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :-DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. (BENIS :_DD)
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage 4 Nod real gommunism. Nexzt gountry. problems werent. :-DDdd
Kayden Cooper
>We will reach utopia when we kill everyone that opposes our fight >We killed everyone standing for capitalist productions, but utopia didn't come >Not real communism
rly made me think
Easton Stewart
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Adam Walker
> They wouldn't because that is not the point The point is to raise the living standards of the working class by actually paying the workers what they deserve instead of taking huge surplus off their work And to achieve this you let the workers manage themselves trough syndicates and communes instead of having a factory owner who does nothing and takes the surplus
I know many of you will point the "But the boss is managing everything, he owns the machines and everything, he is paying you to work for you". We don't need that, we can swap the owner with a syndicate which will provide managing jobs and have slightly higher paychecks
So the basics are >let the workers own their own jobs >remove the ruling class >award only real labour >provide fair rights to everyone so that everyone has equal chances
Joseph Price
>You miss the point, the graph is completely meaningless
Oh sorry
Ethan Hernandez
Nobody cares about you....you should probably kill yourself
James Russell
No, I've seen plenty of personal blogs from stormies talking about situations where they were wronged by a nig, real or fabricated. Yet you commies seem so reclusive when giving any sort of example of lived-experiences that would rationalize your beliefs. Otherwise, it's just outright LARPing.
Brayden Rogers
>The one thing you notice about Marxism is it’s a seething vortex of ideas; it’s always restless; it’s always counter-propositional. Marx will make a statement, then he’ll qualify it, then he’ll withdraw it, then he’ll make another statement which is more radical. And this is part of again what they call “dialectic.”
>Now the idea of dialectic is based on Hegelian theory, and it’s based on an ancient Greek thinker called Heraclitus, who believed that everything is in flux, and everything changes, and everything works on itself. The fury with which Marxists fall on each other in intellectual dispute, often about arcane matters which are of no relevance, which in a regime context is a choice between life and death! You advocate the dialecticism of a particular crop cycle and you get it wrong, and the party sides with another, you are shot! And your family’s shot! And those that are related to them are shot as well, because ideas are important.
Colton Edwards
>>What is your current line of work? >Physical labor
If in your commie society, you wake up and decide you're not going to do any more physical labour, what are the consequences?
Logan Phillips
whatever my opinion on commies is, that website has pretty impressive archive of writings. I was just reading in one old book on commie history about Lenin having some fight with Georgi Plekhanov (who was more senior commie at that time) over theory of marxism and were literally bombarding each other with pamphlets debunking each other theories. And a lot of it is actually there. I wonder if anybody even bothers reading anything from there
Austin Gonzalez
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Elijah Foster
What kind of physical labor?
David Murphy
UMA
Julian Parker
Didn't Lenin literally say that it may take 10's of millions of deaths to achieve the communist utopia? It's fucking lunacy
You have to be an absolute retard to believe this stuff. Trick your own brain using willful ignorance
Ryder Gonzalez
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Robert Stewart
>muh point is that we need to unite all minorities under YOUR nation >we need to strengthen the fags, dykes, trannies, foreigners, atheists and all other kinds of freaks we can >so we can weaken the social cohesion of your nation, and engage in revolution >so everyone could be shill forever
Thats your real strategy. Faggot scum, kys.
Jose Moore
>This is a society that says weakness is good, weakness should be pitied, the ill are weak, the disabled are weak, people who’ve got various things wrong with them (too fat, too thin, bits dropping off) they need help. They may need help. But the value system that lies behind that desire to help worships the fact of weakness and the fact that people are broken.
>If you worship the idea of strength and tell the weak to become stronger, which is a reverse idea for helping them essentially. You help them in order to get stronger. You totally reverse the energy pattern and you’ve reversed the system of morals that exists in this culture now.
>I personally think it’s a moral revolution, not anything political, that will save the West, because all the technology is here, all the systems of power are here. You only have to change what’s in people’s minds.
Ryder Barnes
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Isaac Lewis
Threadly reminder that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Nothing triggers commie fuckheads more than Christianity and the Cross will continue to be shoved in your face just to piss you off. Feel free to bitch and moan on our Polish basket weaving forum about how much you hate Christianity you demon-possessed cocksuckers. People will continue to go to church and you faggots will do nothing but sit with your thumb up your ass.
Isaiah Campbell
>Anarcho-Centrism You funny guy, Ill throw you out of chopper last!
Luis Cooper
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Kevin Perez
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William Sanchez
t. can't see that the failures of his ideology
William Williams
How good that we destroyed this fucking USSR
Michael Young
>instead of having a factory owner who does nothing and takes the surplus You realize that 90% of jobs nowadays don't involve a factory? You have this image in your head of some smoke filled room full of working people, it doesn't correspond at all to real life
