16 years and counting

Is Trump right about Afghanistan?

Even if victory was possible. What cost are we willing to pay? Is it even worth it?

He should tell us what his advisors told him. He wanted the war over, same as many of us. Something's changed his mind that we don't know about.

gotta get that sweet opium.

Just leave and if terrorists end up winning the whole nation state without the local populace defeating them then drop a nuke on it.

Did you notice how many retired generals Trump put into his administration?

It's been clear since the beginning that Trump was gearing up for larger presence in the middle east.

It's not if Trump is right, it's if his generals are right.

Pakistan pincer.

TRUMP IS A DISGUSTING KIKE

This.

What changed your mind Trump? Are you still the show?

*running the show

How many pussy ass white boys have lost their legs in Afghanistan?

Afghanistan is going to shit because the military and police are all corrupt, drug-addicted, pedos.

They have an average of a sub-90 IQ, so they need to have their hands held until they can learn to fight Taliban on their own, and maintain basic infrastructure.

Watch the Vice documentary "This is What Victory Looks Like". I know that Vice is leftist garbage, but that particular documentary is pretty decent. One Afghan police station can't even get fuel for police vehicles on a regular basis, because they have to sell it for other supplies, or the Taliban destroy/steal the fuel trucks before they arrive.

Also, the hearts and minds bullshit is exactly that... bullshit. We should be completely obliterating every village and cave inside Afghanistan.

I THINK WE SHOULD OBLITERATE YOUR CAVE NIGGER

>Let the people build their own nation
>Just kill the bad guys.

I'm okay with this.

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fuck the globalist cuck, he's sold out (if he ever was against draining the swamp in the first place).

Yes. Sage the "terrorism" and "state building" and "what winning looks like" memes. Afghanistan will be a major theatre in the coming global conflict: US/India v. Pak./China (and possibly Iran and Russia). Recall the ongoing Doklam Plateau standoff happening in little Bhutan. this is a small part of the new paradigm shift. Not a Trump fan, but this policy is smart

fuck that nonsense, no sane person wants war with russia or china.

We should get out of the region and let them kill each other. Less work for us later on. Maybe we could put those troops into Europe and push the fugees back to region, a good use of force.

>implying the elite are sane
>implying we plebs have a remote grasp on the WHYs of man-made global catastrophe.

They will not kill each other for a long time, specially when taliban have moral support from ksa, qatar, pakistan and military and financial support from america's enemy.

It would be a major blow to western world fight against Terrorism and a ultra victory to the Islamic world with Taliban a little local IS/ Daesh like state like they did before.

these are the answers

This

1 bil oil sold to india. More like india agreed to help US by buying expensive oil. In exchange for..

Sort of yes sort of no.

If we live afgahnistan it will go to shit worse than now.

I disagree that staying longer and comitting more blood to it will change that outcome.

This man looks like my Iranian grandfather. Based!!

They kill each other now, they killed each other before 9/11, they will always do it. Sunnis against Kurds / Shia / whatever is there. Contain them and their violence to them, fight the fugees scare them home. The more money they get the more weapons they by, it just speeds up the process.
If we do go there the first thing we should do is burn the Poppy Fields to get the shit started for real. US opiate epidemic even though what a lot of them are doing is Fentinil made in china. 1 Gram of Fentinil = 1 Kilo Heroin is to get across borders.

we've traded globalist enslavement with nationalist imperialism

it's definitely an improvement in my mind

... remove neighboring kebab? Thanks for the (You), senpai.

Of course! All we had to do to beat the chosen ones was play their game inside their rules, and they'll give up because we beat them fair and square ^___^

War is not black or white. That's the harsh reality.

He stopped when he bomb assad

hi sharia blue. I thought brock was dead?

>Bush kills niggers in the desert and loses american lives
Well at least we got revenge for 9/11, and nation building woo

>Obama kills niggers in the same dessert, people getting tired of it, american lives still being lost
FUCKIN KIKE PUPPET WE DONT WANT TO FIGHT ISRAEL'S WARS PULL US OUT AND WORK ON OUR OWN COUNTRY REEE

>Trump is about to keep killing niggers in the same desert, same shit as the last guys
It's not nation building guys, it's imperialism! It's different! Trump dindu nuffin

>Did you notice how many retired generals Trump put into his administration?
Lots of retired generals and lots of Wall Street types. Sorry, but that's not what populism looks like, at least not to me.

Yeah but I agree with the idea that we owe it to those who bled there to try to actually win.

Basically since t_d joined

I'd rather Trump go all in like you say or pull out entirely and let whatever happen, happen.

At least if burgers invade the middle east in full, at least do it in the name of imperialism, not disguised as some lame shit. Full force American takeover, not pussyfooting around like now. You know?

It would make more sense to leave you tard

>t Army Grunt with 2 tours in Afghanistan and 1 in iraq

People like generals, that's populism. Having a coal miner run the state department is communism.

As for the Wall Street guys, it's Washington what do you expect

Should have left Communists in charge really

This. For a lot of folks on the "right" as well as the "left", it's all about teams. A "D" could do the exact same thing as an "R" and one side will boo while the other cheers, then a few years later switch to the "R" doing what the "D" did and the reactions on both sides become mirrors of each other. It's disheartening. Are people really this fucking dumb?

>Full force American takeover, not pussyfooting around like now. You know?
That's never going to happen, we're Israel and Saudi Arabia's bitch. What will happen will be what they want to happen, more or less.

>As for the Wall Street guys, it's Washington what do you expect
How about an end to corruption? How about overturning Citizens United and making bribery illegal again?

awesome double think you got going.

globalist cuck

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Peace in the middle east will never be possible as long as people are born with the ideology that anyone who thinks differently than you should be put to death.

We would have already been out of that shiyhole in Obama had balls

But instead he refused to tarnish his "No War in Mid East" image and gave weapons to rebels to fight instead, leading to the eventual creation of ISIS

It only turned into a global shitfest with western and soviet forces intervening in the conflicts there starting late 70s early 80s.
If no one wouldve given them weapons, training and personell they would still be hitting themselves over the head without even thinking about the west.

Take over WHAT? A barren, landlocked, violence-infested hellhole? There's absolutely nothing to gain from an invasion of trashcanistan.'

He's ONLY doing this because his team is filled with so many retired generals now and he's accomplished jack squat on domestic issues.

Why we are wrecking ships?
Always happens on third shift.....

Mohammed Omar literally stopped restrictions on poppy fields when he realied that opium only affected the kuffar/infidels shortly before 2001 invasion. And only increased the price of poppy because they have stored plenty.

>was only issued in order to raise opium prices and increase profit from the sale of large existing stockpiles.[54] The year 1999 had yielded a record crop and had been followed by a lower but still large 2000 harvest.[54] The trafficking of accumulated stocks by the Taliban continued in 2000 and 2001.[54] In 2002, the UN mentioned the "existence of significant stocks of opiates accumulated during previous years of bumper harvests."[54] In September 2001 – before 11 September attacks against the United States – the Taliban allegedly authorized Afghan peasants to sow opium again.
>The Taliban controlled 96% of Afghanistan's poppy fields and made opium its largest source of taxation.[54] Taxes on opium exports became one of the mainstays of Taliban income and their war economy.[54] According to Rashid, "drug money funded the weapons, ammunition and fuel for the war.

So that theory is a bit wrong.

Strudel made out of poppy tears is really tasty though

This board is filled with disgusting neocon war mongers.

This. Yall need God, and to watch Bitter Lake.

>POL is run by jews, they are brining in the >NWO, Trump was a psy op to fragment anti >establishment sentiment.

fuck pol, fuck trump, fuck war

This would be my blind guess as well.
Possibly playing some sort of leverage game with Pakistan/India/China

Bin Laden being found in Pakistan makes the US really fucking suspicious of their overall game plan. The idea that they might deal nuke tech to Iran.

Having some sort of presence there to launch shit at the middle east seems like a likely objective as well.

>" We are not going to be disclosing when or how many troops we have on the ground, where they are at , or how long they intend to stay. The terrorists will just wait us out and return when we leave. We are not occupying land or territory and helping establish governments. We are not nation building anymore, We are killing terrorists "

Define "win".

How to fix Afghanistan:
1. Annex it. UN can eat a can of dicks, and the current """government""" pretty much is a dependency of the US anyways.
2. Kill all males above a certain age. Good ol' facial/pubic hair standard is good enough. Maybe limit it to enemy clans (which will be most of them).
3. Break up what's left of the clans, spread women and children all over. Assyrians had it right.
4. Colonize with betas.
5. Send orphans to Japan and other low-birthrate places.
6. Mandatory education.
7. Build wall, Iran will pay for it!

The whole war against Taliban is a joke because Taliban is a Pakistan proxy. Of all the billions of dollars the US has given to Pakistan a large chunk has gone to bolstering the Taliban. Without Pakistan's support the Taliban would've been wiped out a long time ago.

It'll be a never ending proxy war for America because there is no doctrine to deal with a nuclear state. At the same time paying them in aid is an absolute waste of time.

>Lefty cunts want to leave
>Country breaks down
>Civil war, IS expands
>Everything the US / EU has done i.e. training personal, building shit, etc is undone immediatly
>Huge flocks of ethnic groups who are singled out start to flee
>over 6 million more rapefugees coming to the EU
Please no

.... can't win war against Taliban armed with soviet-era weapons ..

Let's try again in 2017 when they are armed with modern weapons from China