Jordan Peterson Thread

This guy showed up in my YouTube feed one day, probably because I had been watching some anti-SJW commentary. Smart dude. His observation that SJWs have a self destructive mindset because they are always talking about rights rather than responsibilities seems like a great way to articulate something I've always thought.

One video I just watched was him explaining to Joe Rogan why the brain makes memories, what the best way to deal with them is, how to break them down in writing to help move forward in life, work towards mastery of the world, and build a better future. He's selling a "Self Authoring Suite" to help people do that, and honestly I fucking love the idea of it and genuinely believe in the idea... but I'm a poorfag and don't want to pay for it. If it's just a series of questions and instructions, surely somebody has copied it into a word document and released it out there? Anyone got a link to something like that that they'd like to share?

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the most irritating thing about peterson is that he believes that people on the left are able to understand discussion about their beliefs

he thinks that post-modernism and marxism can be stopped by just talking intelligently about them
leftists are brain dead, you can't talk to them, they are diseased in the head.
you have to kill them

t. Ted Kaczynski

This guy's political solution is to return to 1980s style Lockean conservatism. This won't work. The postmodernists, marxists and other antichrist intellectual figures transformed society because they exploited the weaknesses inherit in liberal democracy and individualism. If you want to win you need to draw a red line. If you cross the line, you get physically removed.

This means zero tolerance of Jews gaining dominant positions in society. It means zero tolerance of individuals professing immoral or marxist views in public. Zero tolerance of public displays of homosexual behaviour. It means shutting down the system of party democracy and only allowing the strongest and bravest to rule.

It's sad, but true.

This. Ted Kaczynski knew it.
They are over-socialized and justify anything with mental gymnastics.
Why is it small town folk & farmers are more good & honest whilst city-fags are often degenerate garbage?
Small town folk need to be honest because they interact with people their whole lives.

There's a spectrum of idiocy and ignorance, and it's always worth discussing so you at the very least you can catch the people on the borderline of intelligence, or the smart people who have been indoctrinated, or even the lefties that can't be converted but can be moderated. Even if the people you are actually talking to are no-hopers, you debate for the benefit of the people that are listening quietly.

Besides, it's well documented that people do come round to rationality over time, acting like Marxist revolutionaries as kids but learning as they grow up. I was pretty lefty as a teenager, even a little religious when younger, but debate and intelligent discussion opened up the world to me.

So, yeah, somebody has to talk intelligently, and it does work, even if deep down you are still tempted to shoot them.

Basically. Yuri told us this.

No Amount of evidence will ever convince them. They follow romanticism not enlightenment. They don't care about 'the truth' they care about 'my truth'. To them, everything is relative, there is no objectivity, there is no universal moral good.

If they determine something to be good, it is. Even if it is the same violence and hatred they claim to be opposing. Because it is ok when they do it. They're the good guys after all.

It's true though. Leftists are rock heads, the Marx-demon can only be beaten out of them.

Anyone got a free version of his Self Authoring Suite? (just a reminder before this thread goes down the rabbit hole)

this, they are probably the most primitive ideology currently being practiced. It's basically just one step from being caveman logic "Ugh has nice gold stone, we don't have gold stone, we kill Ugh for having nicer gold stone"

We don't need to go that far. The whole fucking problem is that we need to move slightly leftward on economic issues (figuring out how to employ more folk and give them decent wages) but at the same time move much more rightward on cultural issues. The family unit needs to become paramount again. People have to be good Christians and it needs to be some god dam fire-and-brimstone Christianity.
No more turbo-degenerates.

SJW's are R-Type people, the only destroy and do not construct.

youtu.be/L44yik-CzQM

It's worth paying a few quid for when you get the chance.

>le KGB man meme

I actually became more religious as I grew older.
I think something else is going on. The ability to virtue-signal seems to have become very important. It's linked to financial & social success in today's world.
When you take the normie away from his/her virtue signal button they become distressed. It's how they win arguments and it's kind of a part of them.

Learn to Clear and Pause search history and watch history feeds

It's helps non-leftists understand the SJW phenomenon. You start out by assuming they're rational, and if they show that they're not, wham, you slam the gates of concentration camp shut on them.

Dude Yuri was onto something. The USA & probably the entire west has ingested fatal poison by consuming identity politics.

Good luck having a state without any sort of taxes.
Interestingly enough, the two countries that abolished direct taxation while having a functional government were Marxist-Leninist.

Like boomer cucks though confronting the more simple of mind leftists makes them dig their heels in.
Christ, some of them freak out just at the idea of removing some of the socialism. Others go nuts about losing their rights to be degenerates in public.

Do you have an email? I can send you the future authoring 'program' in a text document. I've also seen it openly posted here.

Taxation is unnecessary to fund government activities. However, lazy politicians don't have to think of any alternatives.

Posting JBP self-authoring stuff:

Past Authoring: pastebin.com/fmeZHZUM
Present Authoring (virtues): pastebin.com/qJkjDNFk
Present Authoring (faults): pastebin.com/85Lwz46G
Future Authoring: pastebin.com/J45xybPT

Listening to Peterson reminds me of what I was like before Sup Forums and the alt-right, when I was listening to Limbaugh, (((Mark Levin))) and Michael Savage.

I still enjoy listening to Savage every now and then.

Have you tried going to your local library? If it isn't on the shelf there, you can arrange with a librarian to make an interloan.

Fucking legend. Thank you.

>Taxation is unnecessary to fund government activities. However, lazy politicians don't have to think of any alternatives.
lol

Excellent, I didn't have the other programs. Thank you.

As far as I know, it's only online. You may be thinking of Maps of Meaning, his book.

Peterson seems to expect every fucker to be 120IQ+ and be abler to self-realize and engage everyone else as a hyper-individualist.
The majority of people cannot do that. They need groups. Hell, we have hundreds of thousands of years of evolution wiring us to be tribal and seek group identity.
These fucking leftists have been taught wrong. They don't understand that by introducing identity politics THEY fucked up first, not us.
In a perfect world everyone's group identity would be Christian, and not the bullshit 'Jesus forgives everything' kind.

Self Authoring Suite pastbin links in this post:

(That's just for organization, linking the answer to the OP)

I don't know what you're talking about.

Thanks anyway, would have taken you up on that if the pastebins hadn't arrived.

>I actually became more religious as I grew older.

For why?

Thank you user, you are doing Gods work.

I'm pretty convinced now the decline of the family unit, increase of degeneracy and the decline of STRONG Christianity (not the liberal rubbish kind) are linked.

Peterson's ideas are utopian liberal garbage, unfit for mass consumption. In fact I believe disseminating his ideas makes things worse because normies will think they can achieve his 'vision' but they won't be able too in practice.

I have a similar feeling. I keep it to myself, but I definitely have moved further from atheism to some sort of theism. I've read a lot of different religious text and I have my own personal view on what God is

Better understanding of the world. Normies need religion, if you take it from them they become trash.
Maybe Jesus was a phony and knew this, or maybe he was the son of god.
It doesn't matter either way.

Honestly, he is too sensitive in nature and it clouds his thinking in some areas, including that of right wing politics. The other day, he made the assertion that white identity is collectivist nonsense because he believes it automatically reverts into Nazism, which seems obviously wrong. He believes in cultural identity, and religious identity, traditional male identity, all of which he allows without calling them collectivist.

At the end of the day, he's spent much of his life studying the horrors of war and it's crippled him to the point where he's terrified of any conflict and is effectively a pacifist.

My advice for everyone in the thread, take what you want from him, and throw away the rest. We're not liberals, we don't automatically discount someone because they are centrist.

What if we just all move to Russia? The Russians, Serbs and Greeks seem to the last bastion of Christian society grounded in a moral order. Australia, USA, Canada and Europe have already gone to the shitter.

Do you attend church regularly? This is the part I have trouble with. I think it's important to do your part by attending church and thus setting an example.

>he believes that people on the left are able to understand discussion about their beliefs
He specifically says that part of the Leftist ideology is to not talk or try to understand anything.

This is a major talking point of his. How do you not get this?

He wants to educate non-SJWs because he knows that SJWs hate learning.

I still think that Jordan Peterson doesn't call out the Jews because his career depends on it. Even if he was met by the truth, he can't really say much at the moment.

The Democrats and Republicans take it in turns to run the greatest protection racket that the world has ever seen.

>If you want to win you need to draw a red line.
Peterson has drawn a red-line, which is what got him into the spotlight.

His red-line was not calling Trannies the pronounds they invented.

Normies have developed a fascination with him.
It's dangerous.

Did you just watch Sargon's video reading Ayn Rand and explaining why Nazis were romanticists?

same as why you can't just go around publicly admitting that all people are equal and race doesn't matter are utterly bullshit

Its a weak as piss stance. Personally I think trannies should be in asylums in order not to influence other while suffering from mental illness.

>Peterson's ideas are utopian liberal garbage,
Holy shit you are a literal fucking faggot.

His studies are in both how "liberal garbage" destroys cultures, as well as how totality ruins people. His main studies are on how people can become both Evil COmmunists and Evil Nazis.

Respectfully, I disagree. His body of work is far too dense to be boiled down into anything fit for mass consumption. Hell, Sup Forums tried it and so far all we have is 'sort yourself out'.

You do see a lot of pseudointellectuals on his videos, sure, but they suffer from the same problem of not being able to simplify very complex ideas. I don't want to sound like them, but I imagine someone's IQ must be above average to even stay interested in his lectures for more than a few minutes.

Peterson actually works with and councils some of these freaks and thinks they have a mental illness that fucks their life over.

However, he doesn't have a hammer fist approach to "doing what is best for society" if that means killing off all the gays.

So are you saying your biggest gripe is that he doesn't want murdrous revolution? You sound like a fucking Antifa.

Thank you user

>this, they are probably the most primitive ideology currently being practiced. It's basically just one step from being caveman logic "Ugh has nice gold stone, we don't have gold stone, we kill Ugh for having nicer gold stone"


where does he say there should be no taxes? he is just saying leftists complain about everything even when they already have good lives and not much to complain about

You are a god amoungst men.

Indeed we do disagree. I think his teachings will lead to a kind of justification of violence by 'educated leftists'.
Obviously he will disown them but it will be too late then, the Frankenstein will already be alive.
People have duties to society. You cant encourage low IQ leftists to think they have a clue. They don't. Look how fucking violent some of them are getting, they are distressed by ideas contrary to they core beliefs.
Distressed by the 'pronoun red line' for gods sake. Fuck them, morons need to be told what to believe and society made to punish those who think differently.

You idiots all need to go read about The Beautiful Ones.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink

Where's the semen?

>You cant encourage low IQ leftists to think they have a clue.
I actually listened to Peterson's talk about this last week. He was saying that a lot of these low IQ people might not have any sort of future in today's society.

He didn't say how to fix it. He just said it was going to be a massive problem because they are unnecessary and unneeded.

>How is it that an ordinary man with a wife and kids can become a gas chamber guard at Auschwitz?
>>Maybe your research question is based on fantasy?

yw. proceed w. killing them now.

You are a faggot you are no better than leftists

Honestly user has a point you know... show them a good helicopter ride..

Whole Eastern Europe is ok my dude even Czechia's atheists are more "Christian" than Westerners.

I believe that is the biggest skeleton in the closet of his ideas. In fact, he tried to make a business out of IQ based employment testing, similar to Wonderlic, which would only push dump people out of the employment pool faster.

I'm not saying he's wrong for pointing out that IQ is probably the biggest indicator of life success, but he's refusing to address millions of people that will become the underclass and instead focuses on helping smart people, who are already likely to do well in life, get ahead even more. I'm not sure why he is avoiding the problem. He understands that when the dominance hierarchy becomes too steep, then people just create their own hierarchy. His lack of thought put into this issue seems to imply that he thinks everyone will just willing accept their unemployment, despite it being opposed to the rest of his ideas on fulfillment.

I don't know either. Worse, the problem seems to be coming to a head.

I want to go on a helicopter ride again :*(

Things are too fucking damn expensive though.

>refusing to address millions of people that will become the underclass and instead focuses on helping smart people
He does bring this issue up though. He just says he doesn't know how to fix it.

He does politically but he's a same degenerate that was influenced by them that faggotry is normal and ok.

You can't be helped, subhuman

I've already purchased this, but thanks for the raw text. Bless you user!

People need their symbols. This sounds deprecating but it is very true. Symbols speak to us in orders of magnitude faster than words. Symbols have a way of bypassing our conscious mind and tapping into the core of who we are as individuals. Religious icons, runes, colors, musical tones, ancient deities, even celebrities. These things help us solidify our identity through life and give us our "place of power" as it were. Removal of our symbols weakens us. It gives us no reference point to our individual identities.

of course they can. obviously there are plenty of people who will refuse because muh dogma. but it's not like you even try to understand them or even try to think about how they perceive things.

You see? He is going to create a Frankenstein, one that will have legitimacy because of who he is.

>tfw smart but lazy

youtube.com/watch?v=0mp8fOFVybQ start at 1:25:30
i know you guys don't like shapiro but he has a really quick little good segment on why religion and faith is pretty necessary

I wish bucko would encourage other profs to put their stuff on youtube as well. like the philosophy prof he interviewed in his last video. such people have so much to give.

they dont matter. they are the worker but they have no say in the political or cultural discourse because they simply cant.
that doesnt mean they dont matter or shouldnt be represented or anything.

He's right about that just not in regards to every leftist out there. Some professor who's been entrenched in that bullshit their whole career won't be saved but younger students can be. Happened to me. I'm still very liberal but I used to be bordering on far left. Part of it was growing out of it the past few years and then finding guys like Peterson.

YEAHHHH
I'LL CLEAN MY ROOM
I'LL SLAY MY FATHER AND SAVE THE DRAGON

THEN I'LL MARRY, REPRODUCE AND DIVORCE BECAUSE LIFE IS A STRRUGGLE AND IF YOU STRUGGLE YOUR ENEMIES YOU WIN

He shouldn't point it out then. He's too prominent.
It's one thing to complain about how fucked it all is (black-pilled) on an instructional forum for creating fishing jigs, but to be who he is and pour that information into millions of normie minds...

Yuri also said that once that they outlive their usefulness they will be the first to be lined up and shot...

get out satan

Thanks mate. You happen to have a tldr?

>He does bring this issue up though. He just says he doesn't know how to fix it.

I'm aware of that. What I'm questioning is why the bulk of his time is effectively spent on self-improvement for people who have few problems. He should be well aware how disruptive angry young men are, as they were the root of almost every rebellion in history. He's acknowledging that the underclass will fail in their dominance hierarchy, and are unlikely to be fulfilled by family, as women are becoming increasingly selective. All he offers these people are two minutes of "it's going to be a problem".

Only if he is creating a Frankenstein by not dealing with the issue. The people who rise up will not be that influenced by his work. The educated leftists despise him.

Try being of average intelligence, very low in agreeableness, and high in neuroticism. Now that's a terrible hand in life.

his solution is to empower the young men in the higher intellectual strata so they build a better future for everyone. only way to solve it

It's frightening isn't it? These leftist front-liners with all their heart, fury and passion aren't even pawns. They aren't even specs of dust on the board.
Can you imagine how many times this has played out throughout recorded history?
>muh equality
>muh basic income
>much socalisim
Yet they think the fucking real players don't know how to game them.

Jordan, while a very brilliant intelligent man, is too infatuated with his own ideas of conquering the self.
Ironic because he believes the rationalists tendency to fall in love with their own intellect is very dangerous.

He's a monk, not a politician and certainly not a leader.

That isn't a solution, that's a gamble of an uncertain future, and furthermore, young men "higher in the intellectual strata" are more likely to push automation faster and faster before the rest of society comes up with a solution to the problem.

It's clear that he is avoiding the issue. Trying to build a better future for everyone won't matter when you're ducking and covering. It's far more likely massive unrest will happen long before anyone influenced by Peterson solves the need for a dominance hierarchy that is actually climbable.

IMO neuroticism is worse than everything else.
They never should have shut the asylums. The asylums kept these fuckers away from the rest of us.

you are using the word 'them' too much.
Clearly you are out of ideas, or never had any.

>Only two centuries behind the fucking game

I don't get this man's opposition to collectivism. The truth is that historically most human societies were basically collectivist (except for a very small aristocracy at the top). Today we are more individualistic than ever before. More atomised than ever before. Yet here is Mr. Peterson saying we need MORE individualism to solve our problems...

Would you mind explaining what you mean by that? I think user is mostly just trolling, but it's how a lot of us feel... just watch this video for example: youtube.com/watch?v=7KiNWJ8FiYg

Doing the self authoring program now and just finished the virtues portion. Its a lot of selecting lists of virtues across the different dimensions of personality and whittling a list of a few hundred, down to 60, then down to 9. You really have to consider which are most applicable and write essays about those. It showed me the stuff I was doing instinctively to improve my life and taught me how to use those habbits intentionally.

Started the past authoring and its already proving to be more useful, and intense.

The forces behind automation are unstoppable.
The best we can hope for is a MASSIVE cultural shit relating to how we view employment.
Yet were the fuck is the groundwork for that?
It's non-existent; so obviously we are in dire shit.

Up until the 80s public garbage bins were everywhere. People started to notice that they just concentrate trash in piles that allowed clouds of flies and rats to prosper. Bins were removed, people were fined for littering, no morre bins anymore.
Same with asylums, take your garbage with you, into homes and communities and deal with it yourself.

All of the Antifa I've ever met were fanatical cultists. You can't argue with them because they've been brainwashed, they actually been therapy to see reason again.

no fanatics on the right, no sir.
come on.

His definition of individualism is built upon self understanding as well as articulating your own pain so you dont pass it on to others.

Collectivism in the sense he speaks of revolves around building resentment in others in order to weaponize it for the benefit of a particular class.

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These mentally ill types congregate. They get a hold of young people and fuck their lives up.
They need to be fucking quarantined.

> Sup Forums-posters will pretend to understand and then proceed to call him a retard

Your meme flag is still showing, shill