What happened to the goth scene? Would they be alt right too or alt left?

What happened to the goth scene? Would they be alt right too or alt left?

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One of the first meme cultures. It's an interesting evolution.
Goths => emos => Hipsters => Liberals => ???
Whats next.

The goths I use to know were bar soc they had fashy haircuts before it was cool

They either became heroine addicts or SJWs

Errrrrr nat soc

It comes with the territory you can't be obsessed with Victorian era without being obsessed with being white

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Most of the goths that I knew were pretty liberal. However, they recognized that black people were not safe to be around because they were so often waify girls who would get predated upon. A lot of them were largely nihilist and didn't like being bullshitted. I don't know if any of them would be smart enough to figure out that they're being sold such a line of bullshit right now. A lot of the goth dudes were no different than the typical modern beta male. Whatever they thought the chicks wanted them to think, they thought. A lot ended up junkies.

skeptics probably

Definitely antiSJW they don't like being told what to do

Muslims.

The goths I knew tended to be traditionalist and right-wing.

What generation of goths? Probably right wing either way. Listen to the lyrics:

youtube.com/watch?v=bfygNGVdJ7g

>A tourist oasis -- reflects in seedy sunshades
>A monstrous oil tanker
>Its wound bleeding in seas

>Veiled behind screens
>Kept as your baby machine
>Whilst you conquer more orifices
>Of boys, goats and things
>Ripped out sheeps' eyes -- no forks or knives

>Myriad lights -- they said I'd be impressed
>Arabian Knights -- at your primitive best

They evolved into virtue signalers and multiculturalists. Even the ones that used to make fun of spics, niggers and kikes. Lots of metal people are the same way. Both types want thousands of likes and views and bumps. Both obsessed with pop culture.

>tfw had a qt goth girlfriend in high school back when the fad was exploding in the early 90s

Real smart girl too, had her own library in her house with a ton of books, rare ones about occult shit and Rosicrucianism. She wrote me poems too, they weren't half bad. Last I heard she moved to Canada

Those are Emos, goths are a lot harder.
>first meme culture
>what are beats, hippys, punk rock pucks, etc

I remember a goth girl using "special snowflake" as an insult before Sup Forums used it to describe SJWs and Tumblrinas.

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I don't have proof, but i suspect that the observation that somebody was a goth is a very bad predictor of their future political affiliations.

Jordan Peterson has done some work showing that one of the strongest indicators of participation in the SJW regressive subculture is actually high degrees of empathy, and low IQ.

So I suspect that you'd find the cut on goth future political associations to be scrimmed along IQ and personality trait lines rather than being goth itself.

Can confirm. Am largely skeptic. I'm not joining their gay club, but I share a lot of their principles. Was a goth until it disappeared when Columbine killed it.

youtube.com/watch?v=RpHbLwzIla8

Shattered fragments of the past
Meet in veins on the stained glass
Like the lifeline in your palm
Red and green reflects the scene
Of a long forgotten dream
We wuz princes and we wuz kangz

Goths are disaffected traditionalists. They stick to old ways, but with disdain for the power structures of class society (Daddy issues). Usually from a Catholic or Baptist conservative upbringing.

Columbine killed the goth trend?

Wait what how?

Probably misguided liberals, just ask John Darnielle

Pic related >goths.jpeg

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This is more goth than op, notice the metal in the clothing, and the compete outfit, from the shoes and hose to hair. they will stand out where ever they go, and will not be welcome at some places, the emos in OP are basically wearing normal clothes in dark shades plus a meme hair cut.

Most goths I knew grew up to be libertarian and right wing metal heads

I use to be one of those cringe emo/goth kids and now I'm a NatSoc

it wasn't just Columbine, as the 90s had lots of pop-goth, starting with nine inch nails and Closer release in 1994/95 then all the nu-metal and marilyn manson, the goth scene just got more and more diluted.

goth music is pretty much proto-punk and post-punk like, from the late 70s and early 80s is when it started, by 1983 it was in full swing, the cure, etc. there were other somber music styles around that time (like the smiths) which weren't goth but held many similar things in terms of sincerity and romanticism, except they weren't goths, more like skinheads (not all skinheads are racist, fyi) also then you had the ska scene in the 90s, i'm sure at least a few dozen goth kids left goth for ska, or perhaps the other way around. by columbine goth had already atrophied and many had grown out of it, by after nu-metal and columbine and linkin park bullshit, emo came in full force.

I haven't met a goth since forever, but I know that the metal scene has a lot of right winged followers.

>punk and ska

recruiting grounds for ANTIFA

Theres a massive difference in whats considered "goth".

The eighties had the best technically goth music but its not associated with the goth kids of america cirqa 1990-2003. As in, they straight up don't know Bauhaus, The Damned, Sex Gang Children and listen to mostly metal and hard rock which is like the opposite of Goth music. I'm still confused as to how the two got associated, by strictly black clohting only too...

Normies aren't capable of knowing the difference between goths and the Columbine shooters. I worked at a record store when it happened and got a scolding from a manager when I showed up in one of my KMFDM shirts one day. Wearing all black and dark music paraphanelia became unfashionable in media overnight. Because it became unfashionable in media, it became unfashionable in culture. Less clubs were willing to host goth nights. Publications closed their doors. The whole thing pretty much shit the bed because of Columbine.

if siouxsie and the banshees are anything to go by (see arabian nights), they're far right.

You're thinking of mall goths.

yea punk and ska would definitely be recruiting grounds for antifa these days. i'm talking about the mid to late 90s, so I figure lots of those people either outgrew it, or they're permanently on the libtard to antifa spectrum.

metal has more right wing followers, yes. down here in southern california, i first heard of antifa in the area a few years ago, they show up to goth/hardcore/industrial/metal shows where the crowd is 90% or more white and they claim the music is racist, etc. They do this especially for Death in June, but I guess that band specifically did use some kind of nazi germany images, so, i dunno.

at least half of the goth/emo kids I knew were naturally conservative, they just hadn't figure it out yet. I mean naturally conservative as in, white, mostly normal and conservative family, no good reason to become a freak (not like they're a half black, half jew, etc)

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Lulz you didn't have to be far right to make fun of Arabs in the 80s.

are there vaporwave people yet? like clothes and fashion, like there were for goths and emos?

what would that fashion even entail

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same, but only in middle school

grew out of that shit when I got to hs

Kike media will probably call it Alt-Right Neo Nazi

>used to be goth
>come ITT
>see someone posts Siouxsie and the Banshees "Arabian Knights"
>lyrics are right wing as fuck
>never bothered to notice this before
Fucking weird I used to listen to this song so much back in 2011, now it's merging with my Sup Forums habit.
Is Siouxsie and the Banshees, dare I say it, /ourgroup/?

It's also why you never seen goth/scene/emo or whatever socialize with non-whites. Most of those groups and the ones I were in mainly talked with whites and only whites.

It was basically a fucking ethno-naionalist group.

i was a weird post-emo/proto-hipster hybrid 4channer libertarian with a love for traditionalism

now im NatSoc

might as well become Vaporwavefash now

What about cyberpunk? Ancaps? Or do they fight against the anacap?

left as fuck you mongoloid

I always get vaporwave mixed with palewave

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oh wow, yea, I can definitely see this happening, especially with how big trenchcoats were among goth and quasi-goth nerd kids. Spongebob was also pretty big, and homestar runner, etc. Those were the kind of kids who would wear trench coats at my school, people who played RPGs and Magic the Gathering. But yea I see what you mean by the overnight demon-ization.

uhm I haven't seen vaporwave as a scene or aesthetic yet, except online. I would imagine it would be something like the movie Drive (1980s americana) plus cyberpunk.

This guy is a non-nazi (he's pretty apolitical as far as I know) who I vaguely know thru friends of friends, used to be very much in the goth scene. Anyway now he does Vaporwave music and his aesthetic is definitely goth inspired. vogelmusic.bandcamp.com/

I both agree and disagree, it depends on who specifically you talk to. Lots of those 90s and 00s goth kids actually do know the original goth music which came out of proto-punk, but either they didn't like it, didn't care, or they were the "music nerd uber goth purist" types. Just saying. Also, there are LOTS of people who would listen to that music, but never dress like a fucking druid.

Goth girls LOVED it up the ass.
Emo girls did too.
It's a shame they're gone. They were up for anything.

Exactly this, I know a good number of them personally. Some are still kind of acting tough but they're totally cucked. Many of their favorite artists are the same, and they like to follow their politics (like many normies). They stress how the actors of a TV show you like watching wouldn't like you if you're a right winger. That's how much they care.

where u buy stuff from? its hard to find stuff specifically branded as vaporwave

I would prefer for emos to come back , I'm tired of seeing pink haired hipsters.

LOL that fucking dumb bitch Otep was livestreaming on facebook the night that BLM nig nigged and she said "I know deep down in my heart that its a rightwinger trying to make blacks look bad".

There's no such thing as cyberpunk. There are no cybernetics outside of cochlear implants and RFID chips yet, so there can be no cyberpunk. There was techno-industrial. That died off with goth for the same reasons. Columbine shooters were KMFDM fans.

1) those aren't goths
2) Death In June

I've dated a few girls that were more or less goth.

In so cal, there are a lot mexi goths for starters. High overlap with girls into witches and stuff, listen to the Cure and Crystal Castles, all that jazz.

My ex went to Catholic school and so did I, even though she rejected the religion and on some level authority in general, her taste in aesthetics was clearly influenced by it and she shared many values though not always consciously. For instance, most of the goth girls I know tend to be monogamous and seem long term relationships. Haven't known a single one that would call themselves conservative though.

This is better.
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they still do, but now they're 1/4 chinese (3/4 german) and obsessed with black men and women, and black "culture" ... this is the state of goth today, more Kylie Jenner than siouxsie sioux, but she is obsessed with anal and does porn, and looks goth, is a nihilist, etc. obsessed with anal and being pee'd on... twitter.com/GothCharlotte/with_replies

You're thinking of cybernetics too literally, like flesh and machine combined in a physical way. What about in a behavioral or organizational way? Do you not realize that cybernetics was a degree at universities in the 1960s and 1970s, basically it is now cognitive science or inter-sectional compsci + behavior science. Look up the original meaning of cybernetics, and tell me it doesn't totally apply to today's internet. Read the wikipedia article, read the opening few paragraphs. It is all about out modern world, basically. Cybernetics was originally meant to be unshackled economics... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybernetics

Who's that?

>no such thing as cyberpunk
Glitch pls

Is that fag wearing a skirt? Lol.

THIS IS FAKE.
it was a bernie poster.

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C Y B E R G O T H S

I used to be a 'goth' when I was 15-17. I would consider myself conservative now (31)

God I fucking love this song.

Jammit, why is everyone dressed like a fascist

This.

former rivethead here

Oh, also, a lot of goth dudes probably ended up trannies and so signed on to whatever political group would push for their free surgeries and hrt.

Same. '07-'09, then I came to the realisation that I needed to get my dick wet so got a Jason Bourne haircut and ditched the skinny pants. Basically shaved head til 5 years ago, then grew it out and got it cut fashy by an 80 year old Japanese barber while I was in Japan.


So much truth, my circle only accepted whites and asians whereas emo niggers just didn't exist. We had a Nepali refugee emo kid lmao

is that a man or a woman? regardless has a nice makeup'd face and hair

>taking a picture in the bathroom so the lightning shows off the subtle grey black layering

nice

They're alt fag, ignore them OP

yes this is true with the exception of some more recent libtard circles, like the past 5 to 10 years. For instance that Evergreen College up in Oregon where the black and tranny students allied to take over the school for a few weeks and demand stuff. One of the leaders of that revolt was a black tranny in a motorized wheelchair, and supposedly it was black witch/goth.

Generally I notice it is the disabled blacks who go goth. This may be disturbing to you all, but the furry and brony communities are also very much white, nearly as white as the goth/industrial scene. In places like LA you'll get lots of non-white goths, because there are so many non-whites. But they're almost never black, and if they are black, they'll be black, disabled, and trans.

I don't think goths had any political inclination. They'd probably hate libs and cons alike.

Back in the day, the only politized urban tribes were the skinheads with all their derivatives. Maybe punks as well but a lot of punks were rash or sharp too.

There are some that are cutes.
These girls were cutes.

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idk, i used to see TONS of goth spics back in the day.

>Would they be alt right too or alt left?

Alt-Left. They were too fucking retarded to be anywhere near the right. Plus the goth fad became the emo fad which is now the SJW fad which is the core of liberalism. Basically, if you are a pussy that cries about EVERYTHING.. then your a liberal.

ever been to a Death in June show? THe juws would show up and protest. Some goths would wear full black SS uniforms with jackboots and all to the shows.

I'm sure a lot of them are shitposting on Sup Forums right now

It's a very feminist song but it would be considered racist now.

Cholas like thick eyeliner and Morrisey.

>bro do you think they'd be frogshitters or fat feminist retards

Politics and the Internet ruined subcultures. I'm glad goths mostly disappeared before that happened.

I prefer neofolk aesthetic (pic related) but I do love goth music
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>Plus the goth fad became the emo fad
False. Goths got older and emos were just hitting adolescence. Goths did not become emo.

She's a feminist now.

One of us, one of us, one of us

I was an original goth in the late-70s / early 80s in England. A lot were either far-right (as in neo-nazi pagan worshipping types) or far-left (animal liberation front, communists). That said, I was really in the middle somewhere. One thing some of the pagan goth women were super hot.

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Death In June isn't a "goth" band, nor are they right wing. Before trump ruined it, I used to call them "alt-left" to explain to Sup Forumstards what they are.

hey Sup Forums, what if we did it.,,
what if we brought back trad goth?

we /thirdwave/

>youtube.com/watch?v=9G-yZmf6o8A

>How obvious are your motives
>How simple are your thrives
>All these fears and emotions
>Lie hollow in your lies

Goth girls will never leave your heart. They are just the most patrician women.

The SJW's are grown up emo kids from the early 00's who think their "but my feelings" drama is now ,somehow,society's burden.

They are oblivious to the fact that their movement is controlled by the elites.
All the goths I knew simply didn't give a fuck. I'm assuming they now either fall into the druggie category or "settled" category.

Cyberpunks are anti-corporate, they usually hate ancaps. Remember the JC Denton ending of Deus Ex 2? Feel free to check Gibson's twitter.

The goth scene died in the early 90's

I was there.

Goth is somewhat twisted Metal music lifestyle and they are all right wing as far as I know.

Oh lookie! A goth hipster!! Rare to find you in the wild.

Death in June sorta rode the line between goth and neofolk, although they were a definitive example of neofolk.

As far as I know they are romantics and thus anti-materialistic, if you are against materialism you are automatically right wing (however materialists can still be right wing, it's just that anti-materialism is a right wing concept)

Psy op like fucking Jackson Pollack

funny. this is death in june before they got all artsy: youtube.com/watch?v=9lteV_mRWPU

as a side note, their contemporaries are people from shit like throbbing gristle, who spearheaded the who pandrogynous thing.

Dude you're way off.
>liberals>hipsters>hippies>progressives>neo goth>emo>scene>metal variants>neo hipsters
It started with liberals and hipsters, you're seeing the second or third wave of them.