Why won't universal basic income work

why won't universal basic income work

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It will work and it will turn you into slaves both of the state and your own self.

It could work if you don't mind being in poverty along with most others

Because SJWs will go around protesting 24x7 and never have to do a hard day's work

say you get $200 a week.
say your bills are $750 a month.
that's a total of $50 wasted on your sorry ass.

now repeat after me:
"humanity is so honorable that they would give the money back to the system without a fight."

now slap yourself for lying.

There aren't enough whites to pay for it.

I'm not fond of becoming a slave to whatever organization dispenses the income.

Because only True Universal Basic Income works.

Supply and demand. As supply is increased, Demand falls.

It will destroy the connection between work and reward, sending millennial-type entitlement into an uncontrollable spiral of degeneracy and hedonism

if you live in the US you'll get to see why first hand if you're young enough. the culture is primed for a commie revolution brought to you by pepsi.

>why won't my perpetuum mobile work?

but experiments show that people will work and study more if they receive universal basic income

>It will destroy the connection between work and reward

what do you mean? Working still has the same rewards

Would failure of all past civilizations who tried it count?

>doesn't count. wasn't real socialism

because of friction
now answer my question

UBI has nothing to do with communism

Blacks already have UBI, free health care, even free housing. Look how prosperous and clean our inner cities are. Look at all those free spirits who are free to chase after high pursuits.

UBI has nothing to do with socialism and it has been tried out in experiments

Human psychology. People need to feel they've earned their place in society or they will be crippled by a sense of insecurity.

UBI only exists where massive natural resources, mainly oil, produce excess tax revenue.

>get UBI
>Cost of everything increases to the point where you can't survive on UBI and people riot because they may have to work
>UBI increases
>Repeat step 2 and 3 into unsustainability

Why won't you shills fucking kill yourselves

sage

God fucking damn you goyim. Just sign up to Social Security so you can get the draft and give all your money to my friend Lenny so he can make sure you can retire instead of earning any money from your job!

you cannot force shlomo and aaron to get paid as little as mark and andrew, and you cannot make tyrone and muhammad work as much as mark and andrew
it is retarded notiion that misses the fact that people do not work exactly the same ammount in basic positions

The incentive to work and contribute hinder, creating this huge underclass with no influence in further wealth accumulated.

because: who's going to pay for it?

UBI is not meant to replace wages from peoples jobs. You can still have a job and other revenue streams under UBI

experiments have showed that people under UBI work more

>"Experiments"

Citation needed faggot

>my small scale, short term experiments surely will survive

I would like to remind you that "basic needs" for an adult human is various vitamins, water, three walls and a roof, a sanitary hole.
Enjoy your matrix goop once a day and prison cell.
Enjoy trying to supplement your BUI without access to education.
Enjoy surrendering your only mean of subsistance to a vague entity with no obligation to ensure your survival.

still retarded
if someone settle for low end job, with or without basic income he won't work in another place unless absolutely necessary
your entire idea seem to me now like jewish plan to make humanity work for lowest garbage pay, and if someone doesn't like it, he can work more with garbage pay, or even less

>Giving welfare to a small subset of an entire population as a proof of concept for communism

Wow. Glad they're conducing "experiments". I'm sure they will be extensively (((peer reviewed))).

Link to these experiments?

Instead of "work done = money received", the system will promote the model "beating heart = money deserved", which already doesn't work in Europe, where a Gypsy tribe can live off of long-term welfare, because when you pile together 20 people's worth of our de facto basic universal basic income, it becomes possible to live off of it.

Studies show that the 2nd generation of children in those families have lived without having seen a single generation in their family put in any work, which roughly coincides with the end of mandatory employment under Socialism, where not working was a punishable offence.

In short, it won't work because
>it already doesn't work

fucking shortsighted memeflag

So nothing out of the ordinary then?

>veggies refuse to grow because of ubi
>no one will work anymore because no one wants to uphold and maintain the system that puts food on their table
>who eats, right?

>muh work

kys

>does not understand that money is created ex nihilo

>i print my own money

>muh economics

>life offers nothing but the working place

The universe begs to differ.

>it has to be this way because it's always been this way
>what is mimicry and blinded imagination

huehue

>inb4 hurrdurrs
>inb4 commiesocialismstuff
>inb4 no arguments

>experiments have showed that people under UBI work more
this is fake news

Why not live in a cashless society?

>but experiments show that people will work and study more if they receive universal basic income
Because it's a fucking experiment and people are idiots.

>ordinary
Maybe for you.

>Forced wealth redistribution
>Ever working

When will the commies learn?

Like always, the system just self-destructs after the government runs out of money and/or slaves.

It won't work because it's a bandaid on a system that doesn't work.
>government regulates all markets, fucks up wages and prices
>government uses force to pay everyone to correct what they fucked up

I mean come on assholes, quit even talking about this and legitimizing this as a feasible option . It would be a dysgenic feedback loop and create more UBI-dependent, r-selected people. It is fundamentally against nature. No matter how much you want to have empathy and separate us from the world at large, humans are not special and have no right to exist. Existence has to be earned. People who can't afford healthcare are supposed to die etc. The point is make it so more people can afford healthcare, remove regulations and make it so people can easily move into a living wage of their own free will. There's a reason people loaf around on welfare--it's too hard to get a living wage because everything requires some dumb certification and there's too much cheap labor being imported. The ideal situation is all it takes to carve out one's own life is being willing to do so. We have millions and millions of people willing, but can't, and that is 100% due to government intervention and socialism. It has nothing to do with capitalism.

There is not even enough money in one year's budget to have a UBI and even the most basic government expenditures. You could not even reduce govt to a UBI distributor + military. That would still be trillions more than we can afford.

everybody gets universal income
nobody works anymore
no taxes are paid
no money to pay universal income with

How can anybody be so stupid as to not understand this?

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Because UBI isn't enough to live on, so we'll just have our current welfare system and then spending even more money on these cretins

Because of your human brain. It is lazy and likes to take shortcuts. "People will work in order to afford luxury goods" = Wrong. Only good looking people with no love for escapism or addictions will bother. Lower tier people will become 100% owned and operated by the state.

Also it does not stop at UBI. You will also never own a bicycle again, nor a washing machine nor a stove. You will "rent" these things to your little 4by4 commie block flat where you live alone with the stuffed remains of your cat that had to be killed to quell "food waste" that could be sent to Africa.
It will be literal RFID NWO hell on earth for your soul.
In closing I would like to say: Fuck Commies

People are motivated to always do better when they see their gain from the performance increases as time passes by.
Now remove the gain.
Now watch it all collapse because no one would give a fuck trying harder for no gain.

It absolutely can work OP. But it's not compatible with a liberal immigration policy, high minimum wages, ect. And there's also the very real risk that the populace votes themselves unsustainable levels of income, or fails to understand the economic consequences, but that's not exclusive to UBI by any means..


If you expect me to take you seriously, answer this, the real question. How should a UBI level be set? Include it's relationship to other welfare and minimum wage.

Here's a hint. If your answer is simply
>based on cost of living.
you are an ignoramus who doesn't know how the fuck inflation works. Dig deeper.
>Tried out in experiments
in places like Switzerland, which is like top 3 in the most xenophobic, hardest to emmigrate to in the world.

Money is a representative of the services of everyone that accepts it.
It's where the real power of it comes from, and also why if you just print more money, it loses value.
When you have most of the population getting money in trade of nothing, you also devaluate it.

We already have universal basic income. It's called welfare.

Where does the money come from ? Why is it a good idea to give away tax revenue to certain citizens (those that don't work) instead of spending those funds on the needs of all citizens (schools, roads, defense, etc.) ?
Just commie doublespeak for wealth redistribution, and dis-incentivation.

We will have to have this conversation in the very near future under the pressure of the automation crisis.
google.com/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/09/08/how-can-we-prepare-our-workforce-for-the-automation-crisis/amp/
The Telegraph does a good job at pointing out what will be automated but does a terrible job at coming to a conclusion. 25 to 50 years from now we will need a much higher skilled workforce. One of the big things that is slowing us down right now is no one wants to work. We have 10 open positions at my work ranging from sales to technicians and cannot find people even for even entry level that have the prerequisites or are wIlling to show up more than 5 days in a row. Forcing us to use visa programs to import a work force. We are not talking min wage here and people can't be bothered to show up. UBI will only increase that problem as we are in a strange between time before the storm. UBI at this point is how we end up in some strange dystopia future with walled communities and Detroit every where else.

Kek.
>It will work because I say it will!

that's not universal nor is it unconditional which are both requirements for UBI

its also been tried out in cock sucking countries like holland and canada

people keep working in UBI economies

Why not work, earn money, save/invest, and live comfy off the fruits of your labor? Im a second generation American and my grandparents came here with nothing. Ive worked hard and have a nice home , a nice car, and decent savings for for how and retirement. Im living a better life than the last several generations of my family. Its a great system if youre willing to work hard.

because the corporations that will be taxed to pay for it will relocate to a country where they don't have to pay taxes

Then I'm sure you have even more data to answer the question. What is the correct level of UBI?

>We have 10 open positions at my work ranging from sales to technicians and cannot find people even for even entry level that have the prerequisites or are wIlling to show up more than 5 days in a row.
PAY MORE MONEY
CEO pay growth has been outpacing the common worker for decades. Time to pay up.

This

There are no experiments. OP is a liar and a shill

This. See every native reserve in Canada. All this does is accumulate people in cities rather than have them move to more affordable places

>why won't universal basic income work
because government does not create so it has no business redistributing anything

Government has absolutely failed in it's job of protecting the commons, this needs to be addressed but phrasing it the way the leftists do should make everyone very angry,

government does not create anything so you should not look to them and ask, look to them and demand they perform their function of preserving the commons

like Alaska does but with much wider terms

because it's not the government's job to take care of every need you have

We will have that, it is logical with the transformation of the world. I just don't know when, i think it is too early, but not so much.

Some of these positions are 6 figure. We pay more than competitive wages with euro style PTO and all kinds of benys...
This is an educational and motivational problem.

scarcity

ask your econ teacher about it tomorrow

because nobody would ever work.

I wouldn't.

Because capital flight is a thing. If i was rich and in a country where they were going to hike up my taxes to pay for all of this i would grab all my shit a leave. Also when you run out of other peoples money to give out how will you pay for this universal income?

Look up say on pay comrad. Every year the shareholders vote on the ceos pay. If shareholders didnt find the ceo to be returning value they could cut his pay.

Instead of being jealous you should develop the skill sets to run a multinational and return value to investors. If it doesnt sound like its easy then you should understand why they are compensated the way they are.

Because we don't even have universal income here, yet people still manage to be a drain on the system and society.

If anything, we need to go the opposite direction. I think it's something like 80% of the population that just need to be put out of their misery.

so you have no applicants? or the applicants you get aren't qualified?

kys, unironically in your case

>>money is created ex nihilo
Money represents value by virtue of our trust in it to serve this purpose. Despite the wealthy-everybody else gap widening, pouring it all into the lower class and the middle (today also lower) class will amount to nothing, since there is no value available for distribution. The principal problem in this is that investment money and consumption cash share the same currency and faggots like you can't tell one apart from the other. The 'widening gap' is just a display error of society as a whole swelling in size and stagnating/falling in wealth.

>>life offers nothing but the working place
from this, 2 things can be inferred:
a) you never comprehended life outside of the city
b) you're an entitled city brat that only ever saw bread on shelves

To drive a car around while you drop breadcrumbs from your gluttonous mouth that you stuff with bigger chunks than you can chew, a whole bunch of people have to put in work to mine the metals and the oil that went into manufacturing, to process the raw materials / refine the oil, to manufacture the plastic panels inside your car and the petrol you're burning, to design the engine you're using, to
>et cetera, et cetera
Put yourself in the shoes of those people: how pissed would you be when the fruits of your labor were handed to some lazy ass who got the money to buy it simply by being a lazy ass who voted?

You need to read what this fine capitalist has to say I may not agree with him on the degree of complete deregulation, but he pointed out one thing that so rapturously strikes vibes with me.
>muh rights
You have no rights. Each time some faggot cries about his rights, or rapefugee rights, men that made those 'rights' roll in their graves. Those rights were brought into existence from the pools of blood shed by white men, and the 'rights' were drafted so that nations wouldn't bleed each other that bad again. You don't deserve them inherently

It could if it's tied at a low percentage of GDP. Otherwise, there is no fucking chance. Property comes with responsibility. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

Inevitable.

Fuck off kike-fag

>Forcing us to use visa programs to import a work force.

I assume you are importing white europeans instead of cheap brown people

same reason why trading mash potatoes for cookies in the joint does not work, greed will always prevail!

because that's just another way to say communism.

I remember the leafs did some.

This guy gets it.

Both and the ones we hire show up for a few days on the technician side then no call no show. On the higher end like sales there has been a bid war for people over the last decade driving base salary way up due to demand. It has made the market an absolute shit show.

Because people like you are so full of doubt that you let people keep the wool over your eyes.

>it has to be this way because it's always been this way
>what is mimicry and blinded imagination

What's is pragmatism and empiricism. Since the "Enlightenment" utopian idealists have consistently proven two things:
1. they can't create utopia,
2. they are willing to kill vast numebr sof innocent people trying.

someone has to pay and I don't want to pay for other peoples living. Sure it sounds comfy but will never work perhaps in Iceland or some country with a small population and are homogenous.

Absolutely not. It seams no one understand the goal of communists, abolish the state.

oh fuck up cunt
the concept is the same between attracting top CEO talent and regular salaried talent: pay more money, get more access to the best.

You are a cuck of the highest order, and demonstrably retarded if you think it's OK for CEOs to get paid insane amounts, then import a bunch of cut rate Pajeets to do the regular work. This is why Trump won.

everyone gets a basic monthly allowance unconditionally

canada, the US, switzerland, Holland, india, mexico, kazakhstan amongst others had experiments

people can still earn their own money under UBI

Communist is not socialist at all.

Socialist is just commie-lite

Miss me with that gay shit

Only way it will work is if reproduction is halted then government approval would be needed, as a universal income limits amount of food, water and other Vital needs. But then you're a slave with no freedoms.

No i don't. Fuck off you leaf.

>End of mandatory employment
>Not working was punishable

Can you pick one, and try to make a bit of sense please.

Ubi threads are soros data mining threads sageand ignore

UK, Austraila, and east Asia.
Very technical jobs, I have been in this industry for 18 years tomorrow. When I was on the install side in my late teens to mid 20s we had issues with illegals but as things have grown more complex that's all but a distant memory. On the electrician side most people coming out of high school now will end up with an associates degree because of prerequisites just to get their Journeyman's card. A big issue on the installers side is they have to compete with state benys and you are producing at a net loss for the company the first 2 years with rare exceptions.

>>If you expect me to take you seriously, answer this, the real question. How should a UBI level be set? Include it's relationship to other welfare and minimum wage.
>>Here's a hint. If your answer is simply
>>>based on cost of living.
>>you are an ignoramus who doesn't know how the fuck inflation works. Dig deeper.

>everyone gets a basic monthly allowance unconditionally

I see what the problem is. It's not that you suck at economics,. It's that parsing basic English sentences is out of reach for you.

and if the slaves are robots?

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Because nobody will ever try it.

> mfw leftists push open borders and universal basic income at the same time

Why would it?

im swedish and my parents talked english only when growing up so , english is my first language thank you very much

By the state you mean the people?