How old were you, when you grew out of the meme that was socialism?

How old were you, when you grew out of the meme that was socialism?

I never fell for that garbage. Only faggots do

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Only an idiot would believe a system like that would work in the long-term. People are too greedy, stupid, and lazy. The concept is great, but humans are pieces of shit.

So never.

When I learned socialism in China turned them into a superpower

I was never a socialist, but when i was around 14-16, i believed that classic red propaganda (you know, the EEEEVIL fat rich people must be taxed at least 85%, profit is theft, etc.)

Then i started to learn economics

kek

>How old were you, when you grew out of the meme that was socialism?
You can be pretty sure that anyone who still believes in socialism doesn't actually have to work hard for a living. When you get old enough to start busting your ass every day, only to have a large fraction of your money taken away and given to useless pieces of shit, you really start to question the whole "give each other a helping hand" bullshit.

>a

A-user...I think it was a bad idea.

At 16 when I got my first real paycheck and saw how much they were taking.

Grew out of? I was never anywhere close to a socialist, but I do have some left leaning beliefs that probably shouldn't be politicized in a so-called free nation. Drugs, hookers, gays. I really don't give a fuck what people do in their personal lives, but I do reserve the right to associate with whomever I fucking please without being told I have to like you or whatever.

Yeah Trump's capitalism made everyone BILLIONAIRES right OP?

What a retarded premise in the first place

Not everyone needs to be a millionaire. Moreover, if an arbitrary group of average, unsavvy people is given a huge sum of money, most of them will waste it away on gambling and hedonism pretty fast.

Last year (18)

Never been a socialist in the first place.

Meh. Are people greedy, stupid, and lazy? Yes, and I won't argue that. However, we've built a system, a society, that doesn't allow one to just exist on their own means, where we're all expect to contribute for things we don't want or need.
I'm not sure how to quantify my feelings on this, because I believe innovation and progress in the industrial/commercial sense is a good thing, but it seems as if we've hit the point of diminishing returns. For example, look at the way technology has driven down wages, and is even poising to threaten entire career fields in the near future. It's also created this insatiable demand for a luxury that most people truly believe that it is a necessity. Then there is the fact that all of this tech is used to spy on people on some shit that would make George Orwell blush, but instead of requiring people to buy into this spy gear they have instead sold the meme that you aren't in unless you've got the newest, most expensive gadgets.
It's almost impossible to live a humble existence anymore unless you go outside societal norms.

About 23. Conveniently when I got a real job and realized how fucked taxes were.

I never subscribed to the evil philosophy of socialism
parents taught me stealing is wrong
never forgot that

>german flag
>not socialist
kek

I don't know why the most vociferous voices against socialism have a benefitted from social programs. Really fries the brain pan.

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When I noticed the SFR Yugoslavian economy relied on money from the east and west.
And that was a few months after the news said so.

FPBP

>12.7
>instantly thinks about 50 cal
i need some time off /k/

What do you have against roads, well grants, water treatment facilities, power companies, or public parks?

I never grew into it

less because I could not have believed its lies, but more because I had an objective knowledge of what kind of things are respectable and good and ought to be pursued in the realm of politics, and what ought not be pursued

the reds are always wrong, the conservatives always right. In all issues no exceptions.

That is why I never jumped ship, despite it being ideologically seductive

Equality is fairness

Everyone should be equal

If you disagree you are an elitist

Nothing. But that's not what our taxes even go towards. The majority of it is in pointless wars and a ton of programs that individually aren't much money but collectively add up to large sums of money spent by the government on dumb "art" programs that are effectively money laundering fronts.

Through elementary and middle school I genuinly believed that redistribution of wealth was the best thing possible and that socialism would be utopia.

Then I went into college and majored into applied science. Only then did I realise that some bitch doing "psychology and dance" was costing our collective student fund more than my science major was, despite me having the certainty of a decently paying job and her becoming a guaranteed jobless welfare leech.

Then I got to work and received my first paycheck, saw how much the government was taking from me to just give it to absolute fucking idiots to jerk eachother off in their own little academic social studies echochambers and tell me that I'm an evil racist sexist monster for wanting to go into science, and realised that if this behaviour intensified it would be a catastrophic shitshow.

Then I realised that socialism was this but on steroids, and that's when I grew out of it.

That very well may be true but I disagree and say that the vast majority of our tax dollars beyond the pointless endless go to a corporate welfare scheme that suck the middle class and poor of wealth while enriching a very small number of board members and CEO's.

>Being a berniecuck and telling others to go to reddit
loving every laugh

>Stop having a better sandcastle than me so we all can have sandhouses

Fixed

Yes also this. The order is probably something like this
Military spending > corporate subsidies > a collection of all discretionary spending like the arts and other shit > welfare and other entitlements for people able but unwilling to work > government programs that actually make sense like roads schools health services NASA etc.

I feel like people shouldn't be allowed political opinions on taxation until they reach a certain tax bracket. The ultimate redpill is finding out that 30% of your income gets taken away and spent on stupid shit then you're a monster for wanting lower taxes to be able to pay off your open student debts.

That's literally not what democratic socialism is you small minded queer gendered retard

Explain to us what RealSocialism™ is then, smart guy.

Ah, you make a good point. I was a right wing software engineer and figured that we were, as you say, going to kill people's jobs, and what to do? Unions were the answer I came up with, to share the productivity gains with the people now unemployed. Now I don't have a solution, I think we'd all degenerate under a universal income.

You must first graduate beyond 2nd grade use of those words if you actually expect any of us to engage in conversation.

>socialism in China turned them into a superpower
hahahahahahaha if you call not being able to breathe, eating dogs, drinking shit (gutter oil), and not having any human sympathy (look at arekt thread) being a super power. Oh yeah and the famines.

I don't actually give a shit what you goalpost moving for double niggers think. Socialism has been tried all over in various flavors and fails
Every
Single
Time

Venezuela says hello. Send tissue if you can.

>joins discord group
>"we're raiding pol again boys!"
>"not real socialism" intensifies
>I'd explain it but I'm too smart too

So this... is the power... of raiding...

I'm in a similar boat as that guy, with a few differences.

For starters, I got my first paycheck at 16. Once I saw union dues and taxes I got pissed off.

Where I live, we are abandoned by the state. The Fed doesn't give us funding. The roads are falling apart. We all live off of a well, with no water treatment. Our power is privately owned and ran, and we don't have any public parks as we are in a rural area.

My nearest neighbor is over a mile away. The nearest town is 6. The fire department is too far away to save my house if it bursts into flames. There's no point in police as I will shoot any trespassers on sight and am legally obligated to do so.

So, because I have taxes to pay(Property tax, mostly), I have to work another full time job. Therein, I'm forced to buy insurance, forced to buy registration, forced to work a shitty office job from 9-5 to pay taxes. If it wasn't for property tax I could live off the land with my family and enjoy life.

Fuck taxes.

Funny thing is, my student debt was only about €12.000, which I paid off in no time at all since my entry-level job pays €24.000/year.

Student debts, strangely enough, get higher and higher the more useless the degree is, with some exceptions.

I also agree that one must at least pay income tax before they get a say in how said tax money is used. I'd like a more direct approach when it comes to that selection process, for example if you paid income tax for half or more of the election cycle you get an additional ballot where you can tick your tax preferences or something like that.

Taxes would inevitably be lowered, maybe pushing the government to actually function efficiently.

I pray every day for that to happen.

Democratic Socialism only works in homogeneous societies. These societies also cannot afford the luxury of a defense budget. The reason being? The USA watches their defense for them.

These small countries also are rich in natural resources, which also funds the shit out of social programs.

The USA is such a large and diverse country. There are certain states that are borderline socialist, there are certain states that are borderline libertarian.

Democratic Socialism as a whole, on a federal level, simply will not work. It's already evolving to it, and our current system of government will not allow that to function. If an entire revamp of our government is done, then it may be possible - but the American people will retaliate.

>Just keep donating, don't worry about the pants tent

I got into socialism when I was 14, but then I discovered Ron Paul and quickly became a libertarian. This was about 10 years ago.

I became a socialist at 15 after I started getting interested in politics and reading marx and I still am.

>Basing entirely off of income tax

While we're at it, lets abolish Property Tax and Excise Tax. As much as I hate cigarettes, it is not right for the government to tax people for an addictive habit. I like my booze, and I don't buy from the store, but regardless excise tax on booze is ridiculous as well. 10% is too high. 1% is too high.

Taxes, depending the country/state/province, should be based upon the citizen's need. If a large majority of citizens in a city want ridiculous taxes and super socialism? Let them, but they should not be able to encroach upon rural areas outside and suck up our money. My state is a victim of this.

And property tax, as I stated earlier, is straight up theft. If I don't pay them and someone else does, they can own my property.

Three.

That is when the country that I was born in dropped socialism.

To really answer your question, even the thought of socialism was with me until I joined the Army at 18. Because it is there that I learned that no one is equal.

Nah. That was Chavez and his Bolivarian Revolution

>let's abolish Property Tax
The moment property tax was introduced private ownership of property effectively ended, you're technically loaning everything from the state, as you're required to pay rent for it in the form of tax. Don't pay your rent, if someone else does they now own your property.

It's just another way to keep draining people who own stuff, making all tax-payers like tenants of the state instead of free citizens.

>and Excise Tax
Excise Tax is effectively just tax upon tax, as we have to pay both the excise tax because the goobermunt decided it just wants more money, on top of regular sales tax.

>If a large majority of citizens in a city want ridiculous taxes and super socialism? Let them, but they should not be able to encroach upon rural areas outside and suck up our money.
I like the idea, but the socialism cities will just start outright attacking rural areas once their money dries up. We all know how desperate socialist governments can get when their resources run dry.

I dunno where you live but my region's water treatment facilities and power companies are privatized. They are run efficiently and don't go down for 4 hours a day

Christ you two are stupid. The majority of our taxes go to medicare, medicaid and social security. aka welfare and redistribution. Yes, defense is 3rd and everything else is a fraction

When I saw the wealth of our society, built up by decades of labour, being given away to foreigners who have no other interest than recieving said wealth and turning my country into the shithole they "fled" from.

>Calls people stupid
>Doesn't know the difference between a majority and a plurality

No clue why I quoted you. I also forgot to mention I started to notice this back in college. So at 16-17

I was never a socialist, but my dad is, he has been dropping bluepills since then because I was a center right wing authoritarian

>Socialist cities attacking rural cities

Kek. Would be a massacre of city folk. They won't have an army, they won't have an army to feed, and they won't have a populous that is capable of economically supporting a war.

It's a win-win.