/cg/ - Communism general

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Sorry, kid this thread has been jacked and now belongs to 60's Spider-Man memes

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Nobody is ever going to take you guys seriously so just quit while you're still a bleeding heart euphoric leftist. I'm warning you, this place will change you. People a lot smarter and better funded than you have been trying to eliminate NatSoc on 4corn for a decade. Consider that you are being played by a fantasy and that you are wasting your time while allowing yourself to be indoctrinated by our perspective. Screencap this, you will be right wing by next summer.

Everyone is now obligated to spam spidey memes.

>this thread has been reallocated

fixed that for ya.

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Instead of posting memes can we have a real argument?

sure thing

Ok. Want to talk about the labor theory of value?

uwu

nah

Here's a starter.
Why would anyone in the middle class or above want communism?

Communism generally doesn't work
When you become educated on propaganda techniques you start to realize how bullshit most of their claims are

>Communist Party seizes the means of production
>"This is equivalent to "the people" seizing the means of production!!!"

No it's not, gullible retards. Have fun with your dictatorship.

we can talk about da joos?

>when you're not sure which ideology is more edgy so you just combine them

COMMUNISTS KILLING COMMUNISTS IS COMMUNISM

I'm not a leninist. I don't believe in a vangaurd party. But the leninist argument would be that the party is the most class conscious members of the proletariat. I beleive the workers must act on their own though.

Is the middle class still workers?

give me a reason to even support communism at all

Seriously, the bullying against Communist members of this community is getting way out of hand, especially since communists are some of the biggest, oldest contributors and most involved in this board.
Its not just "memes" or "banter", its vicious attacking and regardless of intentions it does demean people and hurt feelings. I can't say I'm the only Communist man who finds it hard to take pride in his own ideology after having years of constant and needless attacks defaming my thought from insecure losers here. Why not bully Anarchists or Ancaps? Do they not have much more to be ashamed of than our peaceful ideology? Ancaps get bullied less than us and yet we are the purest whites in Europe.

Like when its not just banter, when a meme is repeated over and over again, repeated systematically, it eventually becomes a truth irregardless of the intentions in repeating it. And that isn't just jokes any more then, then its harmful!
Would you call an Communist man a "child-eater"(not true at all) to his face? Would you say to a kind, peaceful and hard working salt of the earth Communist man that they are a "child eater"? Would you say those words to your fellow white brother? Are you starting to feel ashamed now? You fucking degenerate?
Your destroying ideology pride, your dividing whites against each other, your doing the opposite of what you claim to support when you engage in this incredibly abhorrent behavior. So I encourage you to stop now.

I want to thank commies for LIBERATING our countries

why are you shills bothering when most of us will be dead next month?

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>But the leninist argument would be that the party is the most class conscious members of the proletariat.
Yeah, the ruling party in any system likes to say good things about itself.

>I beleive the workers must act on their own though.
This makes less sense than you think it does. Who are "the workers"? Will anyone lead them? If no, how will they plan or coordinate anything? If yes, what do you think that leader will do once he has control over every means of production in the nation?

It's goofy quackery.

If you are a worker you would be receive more of your labor and would be free from aleination.

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most of you will be dead in month anyway don't know why you are bothering with this shit? Didn't they tell you hebe?

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But isn't work already valued as much as it should be. Easy work is paid less because everyone can do it. Hard work which requires you to actually study for pays more because you put more effort into it.

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mate stop it

>Who are "the workers"?
Anyone who does not own the means of production and instead works for someone who does.

>Will anyone lead them?
Don't know. Its not as if I have a crystal ball and I can see the future. We can only predict that the revolution will happen not exactly how.

Socialism is a sort of prediction. Marx looked at the contridictions in capitalism and concluded that the system would eventually fall and be replaced by a system in which commodity are produced for use, there is no such thing as class and the state doesn't exist. He didn't sit down and write about exactly what it would be like or how exactly It would happen. That would be utopian.

>Why not bully Anarchists or Ancaps?
I can't speak for everyone but I do bully Anarchists just as much. Ancaps are hardly relevant, and are also less dumb than commies and annies.

Communism threads reek of /leftypol/ subversion and that's why over the last 6 months they've gotten alot more hate.

A portion of the value created by your labor is skimmed of the top. If you go to work you have allready produced enough value to pay you for 8 hours in just 4 hours. The next 4 hours are of labor are done to produce surplus value for your boss.

>Don't know. Its not as if I have a crystal ball and I can see the future. We can only predict that the revolution will happen not exactly how.
Can you think of a hypothetical way for it to happen that won't result in a corrupt oligarchy? I can't.

Revolution then replacement of the state with a democratic workers state.

Kill yourself, you intolerant hateful idiots.

In my sector this argument cannot be applied since my work is never done since it's a continuous process of projects being made and sold. All the work I do is for the current project and to finish it before a deadline. If I work 8 hours a day to make progress then it's not something that is a surplus but a percentage added to the progress of the project.

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>its another lets post the 5 same anti-commie memes and whine about muh famine and muh human nature thread

Do you work for a boss? Does your boss make money off of what you create?

Memetic violence is the only thing these brainlets comprehend.

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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
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It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

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Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD

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Yes because my boss supplies me with demand and I give him my hours of work so he can give me money. My boss also works on these projects just for context.

You generate more value for him than he gives you in teh form of wages. If this wasn't true he would make no profit off of you.

Free healthcare
Free University
No homelessness
No corruption
Fair redistribution of wealth
Stateless society as a goal

How can capitalism even begin to compete?

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this always makes me smile

Profit is required to increase the value of a company so more workers can be hired so that they can sustain themselves as well and have an income.

No commodity production for exchange

Wait, who won the cold war and who lost then fell into a pile of shit?

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A large portion of profit goes into the pocket of the capitalist. Without the capitalist more money could be given to you and more money could be invested in making the workplace.

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>our peaceful ideology?
thank you man, you made me laugh hard

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The profit is used by the boss to buy luxery items to enjoy life with his family. So do I with what money I have left at the end of the month to buy luxery items to get some enjoyment out of life.

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>So do I with what money I have left at the end of the month to buy luxery items to get some enjoyment out of life.
What? Can you rephrase this?

How do you want to achieve stateless society, when communism requires central planning and distribution of goods?

Profit, the money my boss has left after paying for the rent, water, gas, electricity and paying the wages of his employees. He uses that profit to buy his food and pay his rent with to sustain his own way of life outside of his job as a boss.

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The funtion of the state and the funtions of society as a whole start to blur and become one in the same. Eventually the state is no longer nessary and its just the people doing everything the state used to do on there own.

Yes. I agree. He uses the profit to buy his food and pay his rent and stuff. How does this contradict my claim that the workers would be given more of the value of their work in a communist society?

No. I have no sympathy for commies anymore. Your kind subvert everything you get your grubby lazy hands on. Many of us here go along with the Nazi shit just to counter subvert culture to show how fucking loathesome you fucks are. You pretend to care about the white race now, but all commies are inherently friendly to foreigners, because they need them as their nigger army to overthrow those in power. Because of your "love"" for the poor brown masses we are in this mess in the first place.
Don't ever spout shit about hard working communists, EVERY commie I've ever met was a lazy jobless fool. Communism attracts the greedy, lazy, and foolish and convinces them they can just get the government to give them other people's wealth.
I laughed really hard watching that video of the BLM coon punching the antifa. He knows what you fucks are. He knew what you wanted to use their movement for.
Get a fucking job hippy.

Why should I be paid more if I can sustain myself in this society? Work is currently already valued to the demand. If there is more supply to the demand then people can missuse that to go absurtely low with prices and so the value of the work lowers.

You should be paid the wealth you generate because you generated that wealth.

You can't just give someone wealth equal amount of wealth because they worked the same amount of time. It's about what does the market want as supply. If the demand is high those hours are valued higher because there is a need. If everyone in the world started being a paperboy because it's an easy job then no one would even bother studying to become anything that requires more effort.

I never said anything about paying everyone the same amount per hour. I said that in a communist society the wealth you generate would go to you. Not your boss.

Then who supplies me with the demand. There are already people working without bosses and their value of work is still determined by the demand of a society.

Same. Demand by society. Just without a market. In the early stage of socialism anyway.

Kill yourselves, commies.
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What do you mean without a market?

I can't wait til civil war 2
I can't wait til civil war 2
Make Commies go the way of the Sioux
I can't wait til civil war 2
Only the right wing survive
The black sun rises through the blanket of smoke
There's no commies left to lie
Only rotting carcasses finally being productive

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just came here for this

My friend and I decide to become capitalists.
We start each our own company.
I produce apple pies and he produces mud pies.
We spend exactly the same on machinery and wages, with the same amount of workers, working the same amount of hours.
Will his pie sell for the same amount as mine? Whats the Mehrwert?
The LTV is absolutely retarded, and Marx himself, when discussing the reserve army already disproves it and reinforces the concept of supply and demand.
Your entire ideology is based on retarded poorly conceived ideas and mental gymnastics to justify envy and laziness.
Congratulations.

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Please see

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reminder that capitalism is what is destroying your precious western culture and not (((kultural marksism)))))))

It's both you stupid fuck

marxist economics, especially in the first stage of communism, state that people should be paid in labour vouchers the amount of labour that they put in, and commodities should cost the amount of labour that it took to make them

for more details of modern marxist economics, read cockshott

Isn't the amount of labour put in subjective?

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wrong it was 1000 million kulaks who deserved it

the amount of labour put in can be quantified down the production chain, and correct prices can be determined and corrected based on labour input and commodity output. capital costs and deterioration can also be accounted for in this model.

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