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Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is recommended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

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gommies.gom/1984/
gommies.gom/guck/
gommies.gom/probaganda/
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gommies.gom/wheresfood/
gommies.gom/benis/
cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/cs201/projects/2007-08/communism-computing-china/intelproperty.html
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Fuck Gommunism xDDD

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Communism was founded by Karl Marx, who is related by blood to the Rothschild bankers

The Bourgeoisie wanted a system of complete control, so that the masses gave them 100% of their wealth and property voluntarily (this is why private property doesn't exist under Communism, it's all owned by the state while they tell stupid goyim it's actually all theirs, and it's also why Marx talked about "seizing the means of production")

So they got this Jew, Marx, to indoctrinate the poor fools into giving all their wealth and property to the "state". Not only that, but he also indoctrinated them with ideas such as national borders being bad to push the same globalist agenda

The problem was who runs the state?
The Jews. Via the Central Banking system usually owned by the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, and all these powerful Jews, and in the USSR, the Soviet government (Kaganovich, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Lenin...). This is why the "Russian" Revolution in 1917 was funded by rich Jewish bankers like Jacob Schiff, the Rothschilds, the Warburgs...

You only have to look at Venezuela, it has a Central Banking System. This is why people never become rich in Communist nations, only poor, and why so many people starved in the USSR. The solution is to end the Central Banking Systems

Anyone who still follows communism, an ideology that never worked, has killed over 100M people, is retarded in terms of social policies (let's destroy national borders and the family unit because of "capitalism"?) and was only ever created by Jews to benefit Jews if you look at it objectively, is retarded. The original communism is Jewish supremacism.The fact that they've convinced so many college students to think it's any good shows how far the ideological subversion has come

Marx advocated genocide, so did Trotsky and Lenin

youtube.com/watch?v=YAYtknd1ncY
>Karl Marx planned genocide for Europe's "Racial Trash"

Gommunism :DDDDDDDD

>People aren't motivated by the material
>First, that's not true: the motivation of a wage >worker for most of his life is precisely the most >material of them all.

>But more importantly, I don't care about >people's "motivations". As you said yourself:
>the ideas which form as a result of that >material circumstance
>And the material circumstances, what we call >the mode of production, have their own >dynamics that, in turn, DO NOT form as a >result of any ideas.

Of course the material circumstance forms as a result of ideas, even that individual worker who works solely for the material does so as a result of his ideas. Whether a country adopts Christianity or Communism will effect the material circumstance of those countries. We have no way of predicting the economy or the ideas which a country or a person will adopt.

>I dont care about people's motivations

You HAVE to.

Let's just skip to the bit where you want to kill ~50% of the population, because muh equality..
BUT keep the worthless bottom half..
THEN expect to achieve Paradise with trodladyte's

KEK!

I'm beginning to understand why they believe what they believe. It's based on the faulty assumption that the future can be predicted.

So do these guys get paid for this?

IN ALL FIELDS

Do you guys really want one government, one race, one economy, no traditions, no history and legal drugs?

Enjoy I guess..

Im going to just leave this here

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Argue with them. Some are reasonable people with a slight madness and leap of faith which can only be described as religious.

I just put it down to them having a mental disorder and believing in magic!

But you put the effort in, won't be long until you're just taking the piss out of them like the rest of us.

Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
gommies.gom/fug/
gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
gommies.gom/ohshid/
gommies.gom/1984/
gommies.gom/guck/
gommies.gom/probaganda/
gommies.gom/XDDDD/
gommies.gom/wheresfood/
gommies.gom/benis/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD

only bullets goes well with this communist trash

>Of course the material circumstance forms as a result of ideas
No, the mode of production we live in doesn't form as the result of any ideas. We find it already here when we are born, we grow in it, adapt to it, have no control over it and yet we are entirely dependent on it. In short: we are no fucking gods.

You should have a look at history. This whole idea that the way society works depends on people's will is in and off itself an excellent illustration of what I'm trying to explain: it would have sounded absurd to anyone in Middle Ages or Antiquity; it was born with capitalism and will die with.

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please

communism already happened. it sucked, comrade.

kek

communism is gut lolololol I so smart.

>No, the mode of production we live in doesn't form as the result of any ideas.
So how did it happen?

>You should have a look at history. This whole idea that the way society works depends on people's will is in and off itself an excellent illustration of what I'm trying to explain: it would have sounded absurd to anyone in Middle Ages or Antiquity; it was born with capitalism and will die with.

Of course it depends upon peoples will Muhammad didn't have to live, Hitler didn't have to live, Marx didn't have to live.

>muh 100 million

No it hasn't. Look up the definition of communism.

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>the faulty assumption that the future can be predicted
That's called science. Everything can be the object of a science: don't you think it's a little odd that only society isn't, with the argument that it abides to the will of pure, ethereal ideas?

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anarcho-capitalism is so good i so smart

>Capitalism explained by capitalists
Rich man makes everyone rich cuz magic

>Capitalism explained by socialists
Capitalism is an economic system and an ideology based on private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit.[1][2][3] Characteristics central to capitalism include private property, capital accumulation, wage labor, voluntary exchange, a price system, and competitive markets.[4][5] In a capitalist market economy, decision-making and investment are determined by the owners of the factors of production in financial and capital markets, and prices and the distribution of goods are mainly determined by competition in the market

>Socialism explained by socialists
Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production,[10] as well as the political theories, and movements associated with them.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective, or cooperative ownership, or to citizen ownership of equity.[12] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them.[13] Social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms

>Socialism explained by capitalists
WAHHHHHHH BIG MEANIE GOVERNMENT

I don't think it's odd. Technology isn't far enough advanced to predict man. Any 'science' there would be baseless guesswork.

FUG GOMMUNISM :DDDDD

You fucking mong, does my flag look like anarcho-capitalism. Read Free To Choose you fucking brain damaged ape. It's called Free Market Capitalism not Anarcho-autism.

Whats to stop corporations banding together and causing mass immigration under free market capitalism?

It's not about predicting man, it's about predicting society. To make an analogy, I can predict the course of planets without knowing all the atoms they're made of.

What the fuck are you actually talking about?

Atoms don't have ideas. Predicting society is predicting man. You can't erase man and just guess economic trends, it's nonsense.

What do you think is the cause of mass immigration?

people coming to a country because it's better than their shitty countries, and better than other countries around. What the fuck does corporations have to do with anything?

Actually a better analogy would be studying the sun. If I want to predict the future of the sun, I need to know some general traits of it, but also to understand the atomic reactions within it. I don't need to know exactly how many hydrogen and helium atoms there are at any given moment: if I understand the nature of the fundamental process occuringbinside the sun, I can predict its future billions of years in advance.

Who benefits the most from mass immigration, is it the population or the corporations?

cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/cs201/projects/2007-08/communism-computing-china/intelproperty.html

Communist philosophy centers around the control of the "means of production" in society. This means of production is the physical and labor capital that is used to produce the different goods in society. In strict communist theory the "means of production" is collectively owned by the people in a community, to insure that all the people will get the products that they themselves desire.

the physical and labor capital that is used to produce

do you guys really understand what you are advocating ?

>Oops, we accidentally killed another 6 million people.
>Repeat for 80 years...
>Maybe we'll get it right this time, guys.

You still erase the importance of ideas and the will of great men. It's like predicting the future of a chicken coop and forgetting that chickens lay eggs.

>Atoms don't have ideas.
No they have a mass, an electric charge, a speed, etc. None of which is fundamentally different from a brain's ideas, just less complex.

Atoms can't rally other atoms to a cause. Atoms can't change the reality around them. Atoms can only be atoms. Men can be more.

Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
gommies.gom/fug/
gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
gommies.gom/ohshid/
gommies.gom/1984/
gommies.gom/guck/
gommies.gom/probaganda/
gommies.gom/XDDDD/
gommies.gom/wheresfood/
gommies.gom/benis/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD

They don't fucking cause mass immigration they only benefit from it dumb fuck. Let border control deal with that. Anyways it generally helps americans and lowers prices. Basically slaves where you only have to pay a little. Funny because the democrats want them to stay and suffer just like the slaves. Just like the democrats did in the 1800s. They don't change.

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>You still erase the importance of ideas and the will of great men.
I am not erasing anything, for there I nothing to erase in the first place. Understand this, and you will make a giant philosophical step forward.

Anyway, time to sleep. Have a good night.

sage

Who causes mass immigration then and why?

>Atoms can't change the reality around them.
Of course they can, otherwise what could?

Nothing can, not even humans, free will doesn't exist. Freedom is a just a feeling.

bump

I think he is referring to the so called free will

Peoples choice and the border control is shit at stopping people from coming in.

Not a single argument was made.

Many such cases. Sad

Goodnight

You're clearly very tired lol

Free will doesn't exist but that doesn't mean that great men who alter the course of history don't exist.

Gobumunnism

Who is influencing the peoples choice and why?

The countries prosperity and values.

Reminder that Commies can't meme, likely from a lack of soul.

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BUT THEYRE GOOD MEMES

>free will doesn't exist
Goood so you can't be mad when I exterminate you. It was just fate.

>Free will doesn't exist but that doesn't mean that great men who alter the course of history don't exist.

I agree

Who decides the values of a country and why?

So what the fuck was your point then?

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commies have some of the dankest 420noscoped memes around

literally something a boomer would share on facebook

Mate i'm a fascist not a filthy commie.

You know that guy in your pic was being ironic when he said that, right?

Stop right there bourgeois scum.

Society, history, traditions, and religion

do you understand anything about communism?

Who is currently attacking and subverting all these things and why?

See here

No most don't. Just gib me moneys hahaha lolol. fug rich geople!

was he being ironic when he got choked the fuck out

>asking a commie if it understands anything

YOU JUST GOT KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT

Then you have no philosophical backing to your belief.

Start reading, friend. You have a lot of growing to do before you can call yourself a man of Tradition.

Check out Julius Evola. He's genius.

Yes why
Idiot

Apparently boomers can see through your delusional utopian fantasy.

Evola was a fascist.

Communist philosophy centers around the control of the "means of production" in society.

do you understand what that means?

This means of production is the physical and labor capital that is used to produce the different goods in society.

do you understand what that means?

if you understand either of those things, then you would probably reconsider your advocacy for communism. what you are advocating is literally state run slavery.

>Communist philosophy centers around the control of the "means of production" in society.
Yes
>what you are advocating is literally state run slavery.
No

It's alright I understand you have a disability. We'll get you help.

amazon.com/Free-Choose-Statement-Milton-Friedman/dp/0156334607

Here that's your first dose of medicine that will help you from your terminal autism.

B-but once the elite control everything, they'll give it all away and everything will be perfect!

The more I talk to communists the more I realise they aren't reasonable people. But maybe the people of /leftypol/ are just poor quality.