Lets forget race and immigration for a few minutes

Lets forget race and immigration for a few minutes.

You destroy your body working that assembly line. You destroy your body shoveling and carrying.
Shouldn't you own a piece of the factory?

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No because you're reimbursed, a better system would give those workers cover for it.

No I like food and a stable source of income

no, you get paid and don't have to own any of the risk of owning the company. you've obviously never started a business, it a fuckton of work up front and a fuckton of risk that workers don't have to take on. grow up faggot.

also... >You destroy your body shoveling and carrying

commies are so silly with their descriptors. you are obviously a sheltered kid whose never done manual labor, thats why you talk like you're writing a book.

>Shouldn't you own a piece of the factory?
But I'm not a shareholder, user.

>People who owns a piece of a company which they are not working for

The worker are entitled to a piece of the company.

>Lets forget race and immigration for a few minutes.
NO. LEFTIST. NO. FUCK YOUR SHIT. THIS IS YOUR IDEOLOGY THAT DID THIS. IT'S LEFTISM. MASS IMMIGRATION FROM THE THIRD WORLD IS YOUR ISSUE. YOU OWN IT. DON'T TRY TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT. FUCK YOU. WE DON'T NEED THIRD WORLD MILITARY AGE ANTI-WESTERN LOW SKILLED MEN. BUT YOU LEFTISTS INSISTS ON BRINGING THEM HERE AND DUMPING FREE SHIT ON THEM THAT WHITE PEOPLE PAY FOR AND THEN BLAMING WHITE PEOPLE WHEN IT DOESN'T WORK OUT.

And then you want to come here and say "hey guys let's discuss economic policy, not immigration, and argue over whether or not your stuff belongs to you." YOU'RE NOT GETTING A DISCUSSION ON ECOMICS. YOU'RE GETTING A FUCK YOU. GET YOUR UGLY BROWN PETS THE FUCK AWAY FROM MY TOOTHBRUSH.

Kek

>The worker are entitled to a piece of the company.
No no no no. See, a white person works, and then a percentage of his money goes to pay for public schools, WHICH ALL NON-CITIZEN CHILDREN ARE ALLOWED TO ATTEND. YOUR ideology, LEFTISM, forces workers to pay for assistance for people that hate them. UNLIMITED ASSISTANCE. Don't talk about workers' rights. As a leftist the only "right" you care about is replacing white people, and anything else is oppression.

You want to talk immigration? Fuck immigrants. If they are not working they should be sent back. The worker should own the factory, brown or white.

Leftism? I do not want immigrants who are not willing to work. Nothing should benefit a person who is not willing or able to work.

>You destroy your body working that assembly line. You destroy your body shoveling and carrying.
>Shouldn't you own a piece of the factory?

This is how works fuckwit.

You go to trade school and get an apprenticeship and work for peanuts until you're qualified because the state mandates it. Then you work for a contractor and save your money to buy your tools and equipment (capital) while gaining experience and connections. You then start your own business as a sub and you hire young men to work for you. You can't do this forever as you get old so eventually your run the company doing the management while the younger blokes work for you and benefit from your experience.

The only beneficiary of labor should be the state, and the state should take care of it's working, able, healthy, workers.

>not just starting your own factory

>Lets forget race
nope.

>The worker should own the factory, brown or white.
Does it concern you at all that ONLY browns will vote more than 50 percent in favor of your retarded ideology. That alone should be a red flag, the fact that white people, who created or assisted in the creation of ALL THE NICE HAPPY CLEAN COUNTRIES in the world today, will NEVER support your system.

What the fuck is it with leftists and your obsession with "work"? What does work mean? According to you owning a business doesn't require work. Nigger we want to work less. We want people to have free time and not be slaving away on a farm all day. But whenever an individual, or a nation for that matter, tries to get ahead and do something meaningful you drag them down with taxes until they're poor workers in need of government assistance. You create the problem and then use the problem YOU CAUSED as an excuse to take money from even MORE people.

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Fuck capitalism
Fuck lazy immigrants

No you fucking queer, because you didn't design the factory. You didn't spend the time thinking of the intricacies of how to correctly design the assembly lines, ask for a loan from the banks and then successfully make it. You didn't face the ups and downs of this design (i.e. cost a lot early on which means you get in a lot of debt), nor did you care. You simply worked to pump products out for profit.

The leader of the factory, however, should be leading, and be seen actively participating in complex tasks that only he is fit for. He should also encourage productivity and boost morale among his surroundings to make sure the workers have a sense of duty and loyalty towards the company. And thus, you have national socialism, a pro-individual property type government that maximizes production by ensuring group cohesion via racial cohesion.

>This factory is owned by someone
>People work in this factory and get paid to do so
>Let's give it to the workers who don't have any claim on it as they already receive compensation for their labour

Oh sorry, I forgot filthy commies don't believe in property rights because they're entitled little shits.

This also applies to you faggot...

Not everybody has such low ambition in life that they want to spend it working in a factory. If I wanted to own a factory, I'd open my own under c a p i t a l i s m.

Work, overthrow, own, convert.

>Shouldn't you own a piece of the factory?

Already tried this at the last and final factory I worked in. The place was up for sale and buying it would have been about 30k per person. No one wanted to do it, so it was bought out and they all took a pay cut.

Dictatorship of the Proletariat is a pipe dream. The proles that it means to empower certainly don't have the drive or ambition to be self employed or own a company as laborer/owners.

>Cletus, Jamal and Paco run a fast food joint
>out of business in 3 months after Cletus eats 30% of the profit, Jamal tries to fuck every female customer, driving away significant portions of the populace away and Paco takes 1 hour joint breaks every 1 hour.

nope, you should fina a jod where you don't have to tear your body apart for someone elses profit.
Become your own boss, or get shitted on

>I can't afford to buy my own factory, which is unfair, so I'll steal one at gunpoint
>All workers should do this
LEFTISM

I work for my own company, which I obviously own. Under communism, I wouldn't have my own company; I'd be forced to work in one of the government's factorys. Commies have no ambition and want to blame people like me for their failures. Get fucked.

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I'm almost disappointed how quickly this commie faggot got shut down.

>muh socialist wet dream friens

Who?

You mean like when I buy shares in the company on a stock exchange?

i want you to die, no amount of argument and reason can change that desu

The problem with you idiots is that you ignore how race gave rise to the technological culture that provided a need for factories and production.

No because I'm getting money to work in it, so in a way I own a piece because I'm getting a chunk of the money that it pulls in

stop having conversations with communists, there is no common ground desu

Because anyone can do your shitty minimum wage job while it actually takes a competent person to successfully manage an entire factory. KYS commie scum! Anyone who oppose private property is a literal cuck.

>natsoc flag
what kind of economy would you want?

learn and save working for a factory, figure out what could be improved, build your own factory and make more money. Capitalism>Communism

we don't want communists to see the light, we don't want you on our side, we want you dead and nothing else desu

>You destroy your body working that assembly line.

Not on modern lines under OSHA. You don't know shit about assembly lines.

>You destroy your body shoveling and carrying.

I don't, but I know how to shovel and carry.

OP confirmed non-worker who needs a Mandela Necklace.

Who the fuck do you think?

Oh son, I hope you know how to pray.

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if you want to own a piece of a factory go invest in a factory... voila... now you're entitled to profits. just make sure you invest in the right factory otherwise you could lose all your money.

>Shouldn't you own a piece of the factory?
I did. But I sold it.
I'd like more though.

Wtf I'm a communist now

No, they're entitled to a wage.

Kek OP got rekt

I don't want a piece of the factory. I got a manager position at a fast food joint and asked for a demotion because it was too stressful I'm happy in my bubble doing the same task over and over.

I hear this a lot, does everyone on Sup Forums just owns a factory or a business?

of course they don't.
But behind all the bullshit is a man who wants to work, and preferably wants to own his business.
But the state needs him and his business. there's nothing wrong with that, as long as he is nationalist.

This just inserts an unnecessary middleman in the state. Anyone who's ever run a business can tell you that middlemen just drain wealth from the people earning it, be they laborers or business owners.

why would i want to own 1/10000 of a factory? id rather save my wages and go buy 100% of some ranch in the countryside, then i can shoot faggots like you whenever you step onto my property

I run my own business. It generates several million in gross revenue every year.

If you want to argue that I'm an exception, you are arguing that only exceptional people are equipped to run businesses...which means that communism isn't natural, fair, or even possible.

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Workers did not invest millions of dollars to buy the equipment, the complex, the resources and laborers. They face little risk in joining a company (the opportunity cost of not joining another company which might be more successful than yours, but that is not a straightforward cost). Why should they own the factory if all they do is work the machines and did nothing to actually keep the machines as their own?

Lets say Bob has a wagon and Fred does not. Bob bought the wagon with a loan from the local Jew. Bob uses it to transport goods. Fred also wants to transports goods, but he doesn't own a wagon. Bob would rather not spend his man hours in pulling the wagon. He would rather spend the time looking for more clients to deliver things to. So he hires Fred to use his wagon (the wagon that Bob risked a loan for). Bob and Fred could either agree to share their delivery company half and half, or Bob could pay Fred a commission for each delivery he makes (or a wage or a salary. What ever). Since Bob doesn't want to share his company, he finds someone who agrees to be his employee, (Fred) paying him a commission (as written in the contract). If Bob doesn't pay back his debt with the money he gets from the company, then the Jew gets a pound of flesh. Fred does not risk a pound of flesh.

Why should Fred have a right to someone else's wagon, all because he is operating it? He risks little.

No, I haven't bought nor maintain the machinery so I can't see why besides GIB ME DAT

You beautiful faggot

>no, you get paid and don't have to own any of the risk of owning the company. you've obviously never started a business, it a fuckton of work up front and a fuckton of risk that workers don't have to take on.
The only risk a capitalist take is to lose his capital, thus becoming a proletarian. Sounds like a silly excuse to exploit other proletarians.

>No, I haven't bought nor maintain the machinery
Another fellow proletarian has produced and maintains the machinery; not the capitalist.

> when Lenin died, it turned out that the second man in the communist party, Trotsky, is a traitor. Kamenev, Zinoviev, Bukharin and Stalin overthrown Trotsky and drove him out from USSR.
> A couple years later it turned out that Kamenev, Zinoviev and Bukharin were traitors as well. Glorious comrade Yagodin shot them. Soon, he was executed by Yezhov for being a foreign agent.
> A couple years later it turned out that Yezhov was not a comrade, but just a traitor and foreign agent. so he was executed by Beria.
> After Stalin's death everybody realized that Beria was a traitor too, so Zhukov deposed Beria and executed him.
> Soon, Khrushev discovered that Zhukov was a nasty plotter, so he was sent to Ural.
> Moreover, later it turned out that Stalin was the ultimate enemy and a traitor, so as most of Politburo. Stalin was kicked out of his mausoleum, and Politburo along with their ally Shepilov was disperesed by Khrushev and his comrades.
> Several years later, it turned out that Khrushev was a voluntarist, rogue and harmful man in general, so he was sent to retirement by Brezhnev.
> Soon Brezhnev have died, and it turned out that he was an old retard and the main cause of Era of Stagnation.
> Then there were two other retards, but nobody remembers them because they had died too quickly.
> Then the young, energetic Gorbachev came to power. It turned out that the entire Party consisted of traitors, enemies and foreign agent, so he was going to fix that.
> But the USSR have collapsed. And Gorbachev is now a traitor.

To keep you is no benefit; to kill you is no loss.

You don't deserve shit. Oh, and by the way, that's a communist motto.

>I'm finding myself in a exceptional situation.
>So that must mean I am myself exceptional.
Well, at least you shitty ideology is improving your self-esteem.

why?

Because the machinery has been bought from another capitalist firm, where other proletarians work for another capitalist.

>he thinks making literal retards have a say in anything related to business is a good idea
>tfw just realized communists are actually just retard rights activists
We have enough retards making business decisions, go push your disability quota bullshit somewhere else.

And he got paid to do that. What's your fucking point?

You don't just one day find yourself running a business by luck, brainlet.

Voluntarily. What's your point?

So? If I call my friend to help me assemble furniture for a beer, should my furniture be his?

>And he got paid to do that.
He didn't get paid the value of what he produced. My point being that using "the cost of machinery" to justify one capitalist's profit only moved the problem to another one's profit.

>He didn't get paid the value of what he produced.
Because he doesn't work the value he produced, faggot. He works for a salary.

People who don't work for the company invest in it. The factory gets more money to do shit, and the person who invested in it gets compensated by earning money from the factory.

The workers who actually work for the factory are compensated for their work by being given money.

If you want to own a part of the factory so bad user, why not use part of your pay to invest in it?

Shoveling? Factory line? What is this, we outsource that shit.

It doesn't take one day, but you sure as hell need a lot of luck.

>The worker are entitled to a piece of the company.
do you have a single fact to back that up?

Precisely.

>Voluntarily
Because it's his only option not to die. And some day, we will voluntarily take your toothbrush. :^)

tl;dr russia is a woman

under socialism you have to work or die too though, that argument makes no sense

Work yes. Get exploited, no.

No, because you didnt build the factory, you didnt invest in it, you didnt hire the contractors to build it. You're paid by the owner and management to work there, and in exchange for your labor youre compensated with money. If youre going to make an argument for workers, wage is an actual argument. But like most liberal faggots, you use the worst examples to support your arguments. Whether its some thug getting shot by police, or a illegal immigrant flipping burgers for minimum wage

>So? If I call my friend to help me assemble furniture for a beer, should my furniture be his?
If I am to sell the furniture, I'll save some of the money for him, yes (be it in the form of a beer, since he is my friend). Wouldn't you?

ohh shit this is true

Show your flag leaf commiecuck subhuman

>destroy your body working

what kind of weakling are you and how cowardly can you get in front of your countrymen

what's the difference?

You completely side stepped the argument. Your friend is being compensated for his labor. That does not mean he owns the piece of furniture you went out and bought with your money simply because he helped assemble it. You still own it. Your argument is retarded.

>It's not exploitation, if this is done by government functionaries!

Fuck off. This excuse was old by the times of Qin Shihuangti.

Yes because we all know socialist governments dont have a history of exploiting people to death.

Buy their stocks then

The Labour Theory of Value was debunked in 1870s with the marginal revolution

OP do you really expect people to not strawman and give proper counter-arguments to socialism? I'm surprised nobody called you a Jewish shill or something.

I believe people have the right to own only what THEY use. If you grant someone the usage of your capital to make money, they have the right to keep the product of their labour under socialism. Socialism is simply use-based ownership. All these memes about "muh 100 gorillion" and "muh Soros" are CIA-paid shills

Work means just pay for just work.

Exploitation is as much work as they want for as little pay they can get away with.

By "the light" do you mean capitalist lies? Also, your side is wrong. Anyone with IQ above 120 is immune to the """""""redpill"""""". Your side is simple solutions for simple people

Use some of the money they give you to work there to buy stock in the factory. fucking retarded commies think everything should be handed to them.

so in a capitalist country that has reasonable health and safety regulations, and systems in place to make sure that people are capable of living on their wages, socialism is unnecessary?

This, I'd go further and say even if the capitalist loses his capital he is still okay, like when Trump went bankrupt 6 times yet is still a billionaire.

Learn how limited liability works you retarded commiecuck

Doesn't that debunk the claim that you need money to make money?

>Not knowing how bankruptcy works

Child confirmed