There must be someway to expose the level of ignorance and self-delusion present in a person who can look at the events of the 20th century and still believe that a communist regime achieving the goals set out in Marx and Engel's 'Communist Manifesto' is possible.
Can someone summarise what are the best counter-arguments/rhetorical jabs to give in this situation?
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Tell him to run it on a small scale as a test: get his fellow communists together, run a commune for at least two years, and if it works, he wins.
I always find it fun to dress up nazi party policies and test them on people: "hey, wouldn't it be great if the government had a scheme where they could be given a small amount of money a week for a car whose parts and labour were locally sourced, to help local small businesses an manufacturers?" or "Wouldn't it be cool if the government subsidies families,or companies had free holiday schemes for poorer families to get a break?"
I've known communes run happily for ten years or more, m8. It's a great way for small groups to run. Just...shit for society.
its actually the opposite
name me one true capitalist society/nation in last 200 years
its "capitalism" that has never been tried
Find me a real scotsman. Go on, try. Bet you can't.
#gotchamoment. Scotland doesn't exist.
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>capitalism is only good when "white people" do it
What they're basically saying is they know how to do it better. Emphasis on the they. They're deluded arrogant pricks who should have their skin peeled off with a spoon.
subtle
admit they are correct, true communism has never been tried because true communism is impossible.
"true" communism requires every single person everywhere in the world to voluntarily participate in the system, thus eliminating the need for a state.
however here in reality there will always be dissenters.
the more dissenters there are, the more oppressive the state must become, the more oppressive the state becomes the more dissenters there are.
there is no way around this
the best argument against communism is that it's never been tried in a country that Marx thought it SHOULD have started in. Every country that had a successful communist revolution either never had a bourgeois revolution, or it was within a couple years or even months of the communist revolution. Real communism has never been tried, because Marx's theory of history is wrong, and therefor real communism is impossible
Communism was tried with great success in the USSR.
Stalin literally did nothing wrong and you're a faggot.
Even if we assume every unfounded brainfart of yours is correct and Communism really did kill 100 million people in the past 100 years, it'd have a long way to go to catch up to capitalism, which reaches the same toll every 5 years.
We have functional communism, it's called the family. It does not scale well.
The deaths which are used to claim that 100 million were killed by Communism are those classified under forced starvation or political assassinations.
Capitalist countries are responsible for a lot of stupid wars, but the moral equivalence you are drawing is retarded, Mr Miagi.
Nah, family is authoritarian in anything but the most cucked households. I guess small-scale communism would be friends living together. But no. No, it falls apart as soon as competition is added to the mix.
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Everyone who dies was killed by capitalism even though capitalism makes the current human population and medical interventions possible...must be an English teacher. I've never met a Japanese person this dumb.
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>freedom
It's still the closest humanity can or should ever get to "from each according to ability etc"
exactly. communism is for communes. anything above 30 and you start getting shit
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don't say that about best emma
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>Now you've increased production too much! I must lay you off!
Ummm... that's... that's not how it works.
If this is allegorical to farmers dumping out milk, that was entirely due to the fact that the supply of milk had reached a point where it was flooding the market, lowering the price to the point where it costed more to ship and contain it than sell it.
>capitalism is shit!
>offers no alternative
Typical commie
Plenty of forms of government are very happy to take from each according to ability.
The issue is what's given back. Do we reward those of greater ability? Or force those of greater ability to the same level of reward as those of lesser ability?
The answer is clear, depending on who you are. Those of lesser ability are fine with this, because they lose nothing. Those of greater ability grumble because they lose out.
"Yes, everyone starved to death in labor camps. But for a beautiful moment in time we created not real communism."
Nice trips, Satan.
That being said, we don't simply award people based on how difficult their job is, but how valuable their work is. Being a celebrity is easy as fuck compared to teaching and soldiering. Even doctors, who have it roughest of all next to the soldiers, only make in a lifetime what a celebrity will make in a year. However, this is fair and just because celebrities have their value based on their opinions and name brand. The thing separating a Kim Kardashian from Jane down the lane is that people recognize Kim and want to be like her/make fun of her/fuck her, so she becomes an icon.
Communists are inherently iconoclastic, though.
this is how gomunnism works
>Nice trips, Satan.
fuck. didn't even notice.
>we don't simply award people based on how difficult their job is, but how valuable their work is
That's true. But we could, in some way, say that being a celebrity is difficult. I could argue it based on loss of privacy and pressure to remain on top or whatever, but I see what you mean.
Ironically, I think that if communism were ever successfully forced, it would be the celebrities that ended it. They're in their position because they're popular, and too egotistical to accept lesser money for what they do. I am now wondering just how many celebrities and popular figures that communist regimes have had. Can't think of any, apart from the girl band that was sponsored by Kim Jong Un.
You are mistaking capitalism with free market.
There are unsavory factors that come with being a celebrity, but you could argue that every job has its downside. Even porn acting isn't all it's cracked up to be.
>Communism was tried with great success in the USSR.
On the contrary, it failed. USSR never even claimed to be communist, it was socialist at best.
>communism is proven to fail multiple times
>hurr durr it wasn't real communism it was
>leninism
>marxism
>stalinism
>socialism
Can you commiecucks stop this and accept that it will never work?
There will never be a utopia on this earth, unless AI takes over
Kek. The scale on your chart reminds me of the scale on a planets chart. Lol. Old fag here, both systems are corrupt. Check out Princes of the Yen documentary to see a scale of the problem.
I'll give you another proposition. Buy a dog. Train that dog. When the dog is grown up by dog standards, explain to it why communism is bad. You have a better chance of the dog understanding you than a communist ever conceiving why communism is bad.
How can you mock the absence of transcendental values in consumerism when you're an atheist materialist?
>communism has never been tried
so, leftist revisionist history now ignores USSR and current govt in China?
>I knew the left was stupid, but seriously, what the actual fuck?
You ask him whether it would be true communism if HE was the leader of it.
Then you ask him how long it would take for him to be stabbed in his sleep by his fellow comrades because that's what they'll do when they disagree with you.
>the system has to provide my life with meaning
no, you're just weak and don't want your life to have meaning because nihilism is so much easier and hurts so much less
Lie about Venezuela
Capitalism without government regulation doesn't work.
In the GDR, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Socialism worked well.
>Socialism worked well
notice how the wild commiepig used the past tense here
with this truly remarkably subtle insinuation that true socialism has never been tried, the wild communist tries to lure food into its abdomen
>this kills his sides
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sure thing... thats why they wanted to revert back to capitalism and big brother squashed them. czechoslovakia was the only country in the world to become communist through elections and not through revolution. (at the time at least - maybe some shithole how elected a commie government)
thats why they had the illusion that if they wanted capitalism back, they reds would allow them to.
>old fag here
opinion disregarded, if you have to preface shit with "hey, it's okay, I use this site many times" and think that is viable justification for authority, literally off yourself with a nerf gun
The USSR attacked Czechoslovakia because it felt threatened by the way in which socialism was built in Czechoslovakia.
Communism sure is great for losing weight
meaning they were trying to abolish it and the USSR didnt like that, so they sent the tanks
I'll have to use that one.
The underlying premise of communism is the idea that you don't actually know what's best for you, but some super special commissar elites do know. By force if necessary (hint: it always is) they must impose what's best for you. The funny part is everyone who claims communism is good always assumes they'll be the ones saying what that 'best for you' is.
Communism that is tried and results in socialism is still a success. Nothing I said is wrong. Take the black and red dildo out of your ass Kokhol.
They did not renounce socialism but the Soviet planning system.
No.
Compromising before you're even out of the gate is the most cucked thing you can do.
Aim for communism, because even falling short of it is an improvement.
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I went to school with a girl who grew up in East Berlin. Her stories about life there were fucking haunting. For some reason what always gets me that she never got a gift from anyone except the government until the wall fell. Her parents couldn't buy her anything, but the government gave her a basket of old fruit.
I take it you're younger than 30? Nobody that has seen the horrors of communism (ie generally older people) actually vouches for it.
>Said no capitalist ever
Yea, friends living together usually ends badly... The family works because it has a head.
>Nobody
That's not true,
On facebook you can see thousands of old people who said their life under socialism was better , the second guy says " I also was in prison in the GDR, but the people who rule now are bigger criminals [...] back then my life was better and more peaceful"
Cant speak for everyone though, a lot of people didnt like it back then
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>lowlife criminals had it better under an inhuman criminal regime
you don't say
There was a small error in that one m8.
he was imprisoned because he of "resistance against the state", that's the thing. Still he preferred living in the east as a dissident.
>he preferred being thrown in jail by a government he opposed
either a world class fucktard, or complete commie taqiya bullshit
I thought of an interesting paradox. If it's okay to be a socialist because Hitler and Stalin weren't real socialists, how is it okay to punch Nazis?
>implying bland cityscapes aren't the perfect image of the failure of capitalism
Communists can be thrown on the heap though.
probably he is pissed because of the refugees in his town like many eastern germans, back then they had almost no foreigners. There are of course thousands of people who were not in prison and post on FB that they preferred living under socialism , but he sticks out as a guy who was actually in jail but still liked GDR more because muh security
hnnnnggggg
Hey, communist swine, did the workers in the USSR owned their own means of production?
I'd rather chase imaginary happiness for the rest of my life than to work a single second for a communist swine. I am so glad that in my factory work I will never encounter any of you inhuman filth. Probably because we are not the same class.
Funny, since when the communist swines are in charge the first sentence is similar - 'Now men, We must increase production or shoot you down'
Also funny, because when communist swines are in charge, the poor guy won't say 'I'll do anything for you to make little money', he will go straight to black market.
Communist swine doesn't need to do any of that though, communist swine will just bring the rare goods back when he goes for a diplomatic mission to capitalist country.
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