>you have to be a meatshield for jews to be a good man
Hunter Fisher
well this is with the gov run by mensch of uberness
Ryan Reyes
Meditations is full of inane aphorism, it was a pretty disappointing read. Not bad by any means but Seneca or Cicero are more interesting.
Hudson Moore
Loyalty
Loyalty to state and to family
Henry Myers
Doing good things is good Goodness Virtue This thread is good Good
Christian Hill
Thats communist talk you svenfaggot. So what if the state that rules you is more corrupt than the local synagogue?
Tyler Jones
yeah parts are rambly but there are good tips too. anything specifically you would recommend?
reading pic related
Tyler Turner
>High trait conscentiousness
Near impossible if you care about political ideology.
>Humanities focused
No, more like science focused.
>Strong work ethic
Yes.
>Equitable
Yes, but due to preconceived bias, most will never properly achieve this.
>Mandatory military service
Absolutely not. There is no honor or beauty in war or in the preparation of it. We're trying to run away from war, not towards it.
>Proud
Greatest sin.
Robert Thomas
I'm reading that book right now lmao
Ideal man has discipline and thinks beyond sensory pleasures
Ayden Jenkins
>Mandatory military service
words fail me in describing how discarded you opinion is.
Bentley Bell
mostly threw in mil serv because responsibility promotes growth, but other ways to spur development. I agree with your outlook.
Andrew Scott
Of all of those, only strong work ethic and equitable are actually worth a shit. Pride is pretty much the antithesis.
The one trait any person aiming for 'Übermensch' should be aspiring towards is truthfulness in all aspects of life. Meaning recognizing truth as well as speaking it.
Nolan Evans
Others: Fit Thoughtful Pragmatic Respectful
Sebastian Bailey
Willpower Analysis of all things that happen Pride Loyalty
Also must be racially pure
Jordan Martinez
Why no description of physical qualities user
Nathaniel Perry
Being proud of your accomplishments; I dont see anything wrong with that as long as you do not stagnate and live in the past
Cooper Harris
Just a glimpse of this thread gives an idea of how retarded most people on pol are.
Kayden Evans
>Pride
Gay pride doesn't count, Jamal Svenson.
Henry Barnes
what do you value mate?
I think intangibles are of a higher order, the body will follow suit
Oliver Powell
I can fill you in
Tall ( at least 185cm/6´1) Wide shoulders Narrow waist Blonde hair or brown hair Blonde, green or grey eyes Physically fit Strong facial bone structure to signal racial purity and nobility of blood
Joseph Jenkins
>humanities focused >mandatory military service sounds like the lezter mench to me
Feeling pride is not bad per se, but it's a useless emotion that can, at best, motivate through the expectation of experiencing it, and at worst fuck everything up, as history teaches us time and again. In any case, it has no place among your 'top 10' traits, seeing as you opened the thrread with it.
Bentley Long
>For how can the ignorant teach others? How can the licentious make others modest? And how can the impure make others pure? If anyone hates peace, how can he make others peaceable ? Or if anyone has soiled his hands with baseness, how can he cleanse the impurities of another? We read also that if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into the ditch [Matt. 15:14]. But first correct yourselves, in order that, free from blame , you may be able to correct those who are subject to you. If you wish to be the friends of God, gladly do the things which you know will please Him.
from urban kicking off the first crusade
Thomas Cooper
I agree, poor analysis on my part
Noah Lee
Noice.
Jackson Russell
I think people who don't understand the concept of Übermensch shouldn't use it. And I think you have none of the qualities you listed.
Leo Watson
okay?
Adrian Green
Explain it to us then Gunther
Xavier Reed
A N A R C H
Kayden Richardson
wow that dude was fucking badass
Elijah Ross
Concentrate every minute like a Roman – like a man – on doing what’s in front of you with precise and genuine seriousness, tenderly, willingly, with justice. And on freeing yourself from all other distractions. Yes, you can – if you do everything as if it were the last thing you were doing in your life, and stop being aimless, stop letting your emotions override what your mind tells you, stop being hypocritical, self-centered, irritable. You see how few things you have to do to live a satisfying and reverent life? If you can manage this, that’s all even the gods can ask of you.
– Marcus Aurelius, from the book ‘Meditations’
Benjamin Hughes
The Übermensch makes his own morality. He's the literal opposite of what OP thinks. He's not a hero or loyal wage slave. Nietzsche said rather a Borgio than a Parsifal if that helps.
Josiah Miller
Marcus Aurelius called himself a citizen of the world, he just wanted us all to get away from human affairs and travel the world, but he had a duty as emperor and had to suck it up.
Angel Flores
yeah man, more women should be stoics, our culture would probably improve in a lot of ways.
Grayson Edwards
The stoics were egalitarian though. Or cosmopolitan the least.
Matthew Perry
so a philosophical warrior, guiding principles are still required
James Perry
>guiding principles are still required No.
Oliver Baker
I love his writings but his choice of his successor ended pax-Romana and started to bring an end to the Empire. So that lack of foresight makes me respect him less as an intellectual. Good read though and his relative lack of experience prior to coming Emperor meant he did a lot better than he rationally could have been expected to
Mason Watson
Can Americans even become Übermenschen?
Cameron Richardson
You dont think women are our peers? some women at least?
Ian Bennett
well they follow from their philosophical treatise, there will be tenets regardless
Cameron Myers
There are several aspects to it. In the sense of overcoming the nihilism of the world and affirming life everybody can.
Where did I say anything of the like? Read my post again
Jaxson Perry
No. I see what you are trying to do but no. If it helps you can extrapolate morality from will to power and "biological pragmatism" but that's about the only way you can apply Nietzsche to your aims.
Jordan Martinez
Are there enough Übermenschen in Germany to save it though?
Luke Barnes
i inferred from the 'though' that you were disinterested in that life style.
Landon Watson
Being stoic is not the same as being indifferent
Jason Robinson
That's not what that means. In one aspect the concept has eugenical aspects to it and obviously yes. I live in a more rural area but the youth here as A-tier.
Ian Turner
I meant stoicism is universalist. Pretty similar to christianity. We are all humans tier. Some aspects of stoicism are certainly beneficial to everyone but don't make it an above you thing. Take from it what is good. Leave the rest. Sorry I talk like shit but I hope you know what I mean
Samuel Wright
well eternal return; contented with everything as is forever over and over; living the best life you can and satisfied regardless, some principles would help
Justin Anderson
So would it be fair to assume that the term has been bastardized and come to mean something else than originally intended? If you say the word now, what comes up in my mind is an image that is more physical than mental. I think of someone like Dolph Lundgren, not a philosopher.
Jose Rogers
okay I didnt know that, what i meant was it would help with their emotional bullshit and give them so vantage as to how to properly conduct yourself
Jayden Perez
>living the best life you can and satisfied regardless, some principles would help I'm not sure what you mean here.
In a sense yes. It's not dictionary narrowly defined more like in different aspects referred to. Nietzsche admired warriordom and certainly physical superiority is 'beneficial' but yeah. It's more mental than physical.
I'm not sure how stoicism would be helpful to women nor do I think women hold to the same virtues as men to ever adopt it on a broad scale. It's more helpful for men to bear what is necessary I'd say
Jayden Clark
>What, if some day or night a demon were to steal after you into your loneliest loneliness and say to you: "This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and everything unutterably small or great in your life will have to return to you, all in the same succession and sequence - even this spider and this moonlight between the trees, and even this moment and I myself. The eternal hourglass of existence is turned upside down again and again, and you with it, speck of dust!" Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus?... Or how well disposed would you have to become to yourself and to life to crave nothing more fervently than this ultimate eternal confirmation and seal?
so some principles would help you be satisfied and achieve the best possibly forever
Liam Richardson
>so some principles would help you be satisfied and achieve the best possibly forever I agree. I'm not sure if we're on the same page here but this is about affirming life right? Or do you mean principles as in moral laws?
Angel Brooks
well just being able to better cope with your thoughts and this life; not throwing yourself into useless hedonism and being productive. everyone could benefit from that
Thomas Wilson
qualities of the individual, possibly morally, but also adjectives like i posted earlier that you didnt agree with.
so lets drop the ubermensch and let me ask you what you think the best attributes a man can possess are
Brayden Wilson
because the mental model neitzsche presents with its very pressing to learn early on to live well
Jason Long
always trying to better myself and outside perspectives are valuable to me
Joshua Collins
>Practices the religion of the Proto-Indo-Europeans (Roman mystery cults are also acceptable) >Able to tread water for 15 minutes in chainmail armor >Can solve most astrological riddles in under one minute >Skin that gives off a healthy glow >Understands the 1984 Dune film and can explain the significant themes out loud without using Google >Is able to differentiate between each of David Bowie's thematic eras without using Google >Uses DuckDuckGo >Responds to forthcoming weather instinctually like a forest animal
That is all I have without using Google but I think that this is an adequate foundation so feel free to build on it of you have any insights
Grayson Stewart
>qualities of the individual, possibly morally, but also adjectives like i posted earlier that you didnt agree with The issue is not that I don't agree with them. Of course if everyone does their duty I'm happy. The point was that they are not part of the concept of the Übermensch
Souvereignity, steadfastness, contenance
It's not that our values differ I assume we have just different reasons as to why.
No. Eternal return is about life affirmation. Not about "fighting the demon." I can't give you the exact quote but it goes that at the end of the life you may say: That was life? Alas another time. From zarathustra. It's the opposite of wasting away your life with some moral guidelines beyond those who improve your life. That is one aspect of the Übermensch. To affirm life and discard (Nietzsche was heavily focused on antichristianity) overarching morality that take away from your life experience like asceticism.
Julian Cooper
And that is good. Obviously self improvement benefits your life. But the reason d'être is then it's improval of your life not the "moral duty" of being a good boy. Do you understand what I'm trying to say?
Michael Cooper
>>Practices the religion of the Proto-Indo-Europeans (Roman mystery cults are also acceptable)
That's just cringeworthy if you're American.
Samuel Sullivan
how does your notion of life affirmation vary from my lay interpretation of eternal return which is be as content as possible with your life
Joshua Martin
>Canadian poster
Men require purpose and you will never create a situation that mimics what happens to men during war. War is biological.
Ayden Cox
(You)
Eli Gutierrez
America was always a Christian nation ( until it became a Jewish nation) so why not practice the religion of your ancestors and the founders of your country? You can't even pronounce the names of European gods properly
Carter Flores
I bet he hasa big DICK
Noah Jones
>life affirmation vary from my lay interpretation of eternal return which is be as content as possible with your life It doesn't much. It's an active affirmation of life. That everything happens as it will and you are to enjoy this completely because it will always return (in some way). It has aspects of stoic content but also other aspects. But this content doesn't come from some moral laws but from yourself. I'm afraid I will get misunderstood but start with the nihilism of the world and then overcome it by building on top of it.
James Rogers
yes I understand; you live well because life affirmation not because god, mom, society said to behave a certain way because it is right, moral, acceptable or the like. the motive is intrinsic not extrinsic. this is subsequently self validating
Jose Cox
you fucking idiot
Daniel Garcia
Well formulated.
Bentley Bennett
You need to change your thinking SvedeBruder. Loyalty to your family and race, is loyalty to your state. That is what it means to be volkisch.
Ayden Ortiz
word glad were on the same page, thanks for contributing
Evan Johnson
I guess one overlooked trait of the Ubermensch must be "the inability to spot a blatant joke."
Did you even look at the rest of my post you autistic Mohammedan?
Joseph Gray
if youre still around, start how? reduce the world to nothing and import meaning?
Landon Ramirez
>Did you even look at the rest of my post Kek you got me
I didn't
Jason Morgan
Well yeah. Zarathustra is the destroyer of all values. I'm cautious to explain that on Sup Forums but Nietzsche is not in that sense a right winger. So with all values and morals you learned unlearn them, pobably you already did. And then create new values by your own will.
Nicholas Morgan
>I think people who don't understand the concept of Übermensch shouldn't use it. hahAAAA PLEB
The Overman isn't you.
The Overman is eugenics. You are but a herald. And you have to be Stoic to be a herald of the Overman. No dirty cunt Jew rich boy will ever produce a real Overman. Just another Gollam or monster.
Brody Smith
Simpler.
Recognize that existence is, in the end, finite and in the grand picture, completely meaningless. From that premise start giving your own existence meaning. Do things to better yourself for the sake of yourself. Look there is no right answer, and Nietzsche was just one in a long line of people to try and put into words what the concept of an Übermensch was to him.
In short: do shit.
Hudson Jackson
>Well yeah. Zarathustra is the destroyer of all values. I'm cautious to explain that on Sup Forums but Nietzsche is not in that sense a right winger. More lies.
More Commie lies
FUCK YOU
Samuel Moore
>The Overman is eugenics In one aspect. In other aspects no.
>And you have to be Stoic to be a herald of the Overman Certainly not. Nietzsche was not a German supremacist. And he admired jews.
Nicholas Edwards
I remember telling my mom one time that just because i didnt think anything was important didnt mean i didnt care about things. ive been wanting to learn all i can so i can start building my own philosophy, i told my uber driver that today. so i think i will examine deeply what it is i care about and why and start to distill that
Xavier Sanchez
You seem like a reasonable person. I take you very seriously.
Aaron Cook
>In short: do shit. False
Evolve
Nature
Hard reality
NO MORE DELUSIONS
LOGOS
REASON
NO "be active"
God I hate you fucking internet losers who think ALLLLLL PHILOSOPHY is about getting laid or going outside.
Pathetic
Cameron Price
>assspects Fuck off hipster.
Herald the Overman. Only the Higher man can do this!
“For the few men and women of purpose, they are blessed with thecertainty that, unlike the billions who live and die with no more sense of identity or mission than sheepor cattle, their lives have meaning, that they do not live and dream and struggle and suffer in vain, thattheir existence counts for something, for it is their consciousness and their purpose which willdetermine the form and the spirit of the new order which will one day rise on this earth, and it is their descendants who will take the next step within that new order toward the superman.” - Friedrich Nietzsche
>Certainly not. Nietzsche was not a German supremacist. And he admired jews. Oh you filthy inbred cult kike loser. I already disproved this. You are a fucking cult member fantatic and your ancestors were too. Or they would of bred out like sane smart people.
Isaac Sanchez
You didn't even miss the point, you are so wrong I could've told you're American even without the flag.
Jonathan Bennett
Stop being JEWISH!
Your one and ONLY warning from Sup Forums!
Ayden Wright
The ubermensch philosophy is epicureanism.
Nothing really matters in the end. The jews will die, you will die, you will never experience your legacy, and this whole slightly moist and warm ball will die. That means one should do what feels good man while you can.
Asher Brooks
this isnt directly related but its fascinating as fuck. the author talks about the nature of consciousness being at its core a hologram.
its a declassified cia doc hence the archive. people always flip because the url.
>tall Sorry, I'm 5'6 and need work on to be higher. >wide shoulders Yes. >narrow waist What? >blonde hair or brown hair Blonde-brownish hair. >Blonde, green or grey eyes I have grayish blue eyes. >Physically fit Need to work on that. >Strong facial bone structure to signal racial purity and nobility of blood My head shape is like stretched octagon.
Ryder Adams
This is what happens when you get your information from Sup Forums screencaps. Look who the higher men in Zarathustra were. They were the complete opposite of stoics you moron.
Levi Perry
right... ad hom. Typical commie faggot without a voice. You've been mind raped. You will NEVER herald the Overman.
You will NEVER be Stoic as fuck
Dylan Gutierrez
No. It is nihilistic but it overcomes that nihilism. The Übermensch is the goal
Nicholas Myers
i needed a fucking companion book for BGE but im going to see if my uni library has a copy of zara and start working on it