National socialism economics

Okay pol, I like the idea of national socialism, however I'm not entirely convinced of its economic standing. Why is national socialism better than regulated capitalism. After all our phones, computers, and everyday luxuries are made possible through a free market system.

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Well National Socialism is for regulated capitalism

Sup Forums know you still have to work n socialism right. All it is allocating tax money for social programs.

National Socialism was actually "regulated" capitalism in Germany.

It would mean working rights more than this.

I swear to fucking god this is the 50th time I'm explaining it and it's always Americans

NATIONAL SOCIALISM WAS NOT THE MARXIST SOCIALISM YOU KNOW, YOU RETARDED AMERIBURGER.

THEY ADOPTED THE WORD SOCIALISM SO THEY WOULD ATTRACT COMMIES (MOST PEOPLE WERE COMMIES THEN)

It was nothing like socialism, lurk moar

The idea of a government owning the means of production just doesn't seem right to me.

Your education has informed you that socialism = state economics. this is demonstrably false. Socialism is nothing that a government does, merely the excuse for many marxist-socialists to have the state do things.

National Socialist Germany had a market economy for almost everything and a top personal tax rate of 13.7%. The only exceptions were the armaments industry and public works programs (autobahns, etc.).

Use of market economics does not equate to capitalism.

Capitalism = Market economics where the ownership of goods and services is done by private individuals in the pursuit of profits _at any cost_(any cost they can get away with). National Socialism uses market economics, but rejects the idea that the profit-seeking behaviors of Semites and other filth should take precedence over the interests of the community (capitalism) and rejects the idea that the community should have total control over the individual (Marxist-socialism).

"Wow this guy is trying to learn about an ideology. How should I redpill him? Oh I know I'll call him a retard, act like a nigger, then give a vague explanation. Yeah that should do the trick."

Looks like you're the retarded one

Okay thanks, it's a pretty hard pill to swallow to proclaim myself a national socialist. What's the religious standing for national socialism. Are catholics okay? (I'm Catholic) ps: Catholics should hate jews, the church is cucked so don't call me a semite

National Socialism in Germany didn't care what denomination you fell under. As you may know, Germany then (and now) has very large numbers of both protestants and Catholics (unlike places like Poland that are 99% catholic). Its aim in regards to different denominations was to unify them towards greater purpose. Extremists on both sides (who refused to work with the other Germans irregardless of their particular denomination) were removed. Your people come first.

More or less.

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It's basically just Keynesian economics. If you like FDR or Wilson (who was a proto-Keynesian) or simply modern social democratic "third way" you're gonna love it.

Why don't you guys update National Socialist ideals for the 21st century instead of relying on Hitler's outdated theories? Hitler hardly knew shit about economics anyway, they weren't his main concern and he had a weird system dependent on wartime spoils making up for deficits and IOUs. Come up with a proper working fully fleshed out ideal for today's economy that isn't predicated on war victory.

Is it as believable as that Churchill infographic?

Before we figure out economics, stop the larping and take a look at the real problem, the demographics.

Bernie bros and neo Marxists need to know that their socioeconomic goals can only work in white countries.

Hitler relied on either Schacht (moderate interventionist) or Goering (supporter of war economy).

>Socialism is nothing that a government does

Do you say retarded things on purpose, or is just something that happens?

Well they still want to give full control of the entire economy to the government, who promise that they'll use it to benefit the health of the people they promised to help. So it's really one and the same

>Stop immigration in all areas where there is a job shortage
>Remove tax loopholes and deductions so that people can't tax dodge so easily
>incentivise those and other businesses again by lowering the overall tax rate, while still doing the former point
>invest heavily into research and development through both tax deductions and state-investment
>prepare the (what should be)future workforce by increasing physical fitness starting in schools
>Begin educating the current generation about the new system of automation
>invest in automation

More or less.

Go back to Ireland potato nigger!!!

Yeah, perhaps I should've said "Socialism is not NECESSARILY anything a government does".

Fascist economics believe in self motivation and meritocracy and providing basic needs, but those needs should only be provided to productive citizens and the elderly, not the lazy masses.

wtf I hate hitler now

How can it be the same if socialism and natsoc economics have ultimately different goals?

NatSoc (like every other fascist state) aimed at something higher than itself. NatSoc aimed at reviving the Aryan race.

Socialism is a pure autistic economic system with a goal of communism, the ultimate equality

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Nah, the guy was alright

The word "Privatization" was literally coined by economists describing Nat Soc policies. It's fairly similar to the democratic socialism practiced by the Nordic countries

The left door is accurate for capitalism, change the right door for socialism to:
>From each according to his ability, to each according to his need

>After all our phones, computers, and everyday luxuries are made possible through a free market system.


National Socialism has dick-shit to do with Marxian Socialism. Do not conflate the two.

In the short 14 years the world got to witness the power of National Socialism it created basically everything we know about pressurized cockpits, rocketry, and jet engines just to name a few things.

There is a reason the US made a mad-dash for German Scientists and robbed the German people billions worth in patents.

"Muh capitalist liberalism can only make things" is just liberal bullshit that is said without merit.

>mfw socialism is actually social democratic capitalism

> National Socialism it created basically everything we know about pressurized cockpits, rocketry, and jet engines just to name a few things.
glorious national socialist regime

History is a graveyard of noble movements that were corrupted by power. Most revolutions begin with beautiful, noble goals in mind but regress to corruption once people get a taste of power.

They are different only because of what they choose to write as their goals. Their methods are the same: seize the means of production for the benefit of ________.

I want to see a wealthy, happy, and thriving white race that is healthy in mind, body, and spirit. We have the same goals. I am not sure retreating to the Leviathan will achieve this.

My question to you is this: How does National Socialism prevent corruption?

Corruption specifically at the top of the pyramid, or corruption anywhere down the pyramid?

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>nedicevac
not only are you namefagging so your shitty arguments from /balk/ threads can be tied to this, but you're worshiping a man who believed you're a subhuman and openly worked on your destruction. kill yourself

all our major scientific advances - computers, internet, cell phones, etc - all come from government pushing for tech advances at NASA and other agencies.

The massive amounts of R&D are not available under a Capitalistic system, since it's one and only driver is direct profit to the ruling/owner class at the expense of everything else.

No, that is social democracy.
Socialism is a shit word

It's Ethnic Nationalism, National Conservatism, Social Conservatism and pragmatic centrist economics that rejects capitalist obscenity and Marxist egalitarianism. You're not wrong, but saying that it's capitalistic with Social democratic themes is too broad.

The Nazis economic policy was complete dildos. Just look at wartime production.

>PzKpfw IV
>No. built ≈8,553 of all variants[3]

>T-34
>No. built 84,070[1]
>35,120 T-34[1]
>48,950 T-34-85

>profits are ebil and for da jews
Fuck off. The only reason the jews rule in my country is because of statists like you. Without control of the federal reserve and government policy they would be totally declawed.

Good luck convincing them of that. They think everybody is the same.

>someone this retarded is on Sup Forums

this is a strasser quote

>mfw this is the current situation
>edit to show whites on left door and nigs on right

> but you're worshiping a man who believed you're a subhuman and openly worked on your destruction
substantiate your claims

Also, I'm not worshiping anybody. Serbia under Nedic regime was a good place. Hitler had good ideas for the most part. Where am i wrong?

No, you kill yourself.

>namefagging
No wonder you need to explain it so much. No one gives a shit about some namenigger's opinions.

There is literally nothing wrong with free healthcare in an all white country

Faggot

National Socialism is impossible economically. It cannot self-sustain. The real reason Germany annexed Austria was to raid their budgets. Economists say Hitler was MONTHS from imploding Germany's economy again if he hadn't invaded Poland.
That's what banning all foreign investment, and having massive tariffs does to your economy. He either had to watch it collapse or go to war.

That's the real red pill.

>Without control of the federal reserve and government policy they would be totally declawed.
nigger if we have ANY state at all, jews will subvert it and use it to gain a market advantage. the nazis had the right idea. Equal rights are for betas and cucks.

>No wonder you need to explain it so much. No one gives a shit about some namenigger's opinions.
pls no bully ok

>irregardless
Not a word

>missing the point entirely

I didn't say there was something inherently wrong with seeking profits, it's how you know you're actually being productive in a market system. But the pursuit of profits at the expense of the community and the nation's interests is dangerous and inevitably leads to social and personal degeneration and profligacy.

Apparently nobody in this thread has any idea about what National Socialist economics are, and no, it's not "regulated capitalism." Read the pastebin and Feder's works to get an idea about what National Socialism is intended to be.

Brief summary of Feder's work, really recommend going to the source material:
federsgenius.wordpress.com/
National Socialist Economics
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Why are Americans so fucking retarded? This can't be real

Marx never thought the capitalists would budge, and accept less money. (thus needing VIOLENT revolution) That's the whole basis of his philosophy just crushed by reality.

namefag

I doubt it. America has a way higher deficit than Germany did back then and we have not imploded. You are just saying garbage that all libertarian economists say.

Why would you want to pay a premium (profit) for basic services when the government can provide it for less (no profit)?

Sure, other services can be private but those such as defence, justice, some research, even electricity supply, are best left to government to run.

A well regulated capitalist society with some government run services, where it makes economic sense, is best.

Nobody is saying that the National Socialist economy in Germany wasn't debt ridden, but that's the result of it's geopolitical circumstances. Having to build the most powerful military you can to survive, in the shortest possible time inevitably leads to deficit spending.

It really isn't much different from what North Korea has going on. Yes the government can organize people to build big, impressive shit, and take pretty pictures. It doesn't make what you see an accurate reflection of the quality of life.

Oh but wait, wouldn't you want to live in a nationalist paradise like this?

Who determines what is "good capitalism" and what is "evil kikery"

What prevents companies from levying the government to just ban their competition? Seems like its would be rife with corruption (which nazi germany was)

Why not just give everyone a quick rundown. You really think 20 people are going to read that shit?

>Who determines what is "good capitalism" and what is "evil kikery"
a benevolent dictator. like uncle adolf.

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Communism isn't always last.

>It really isn't much different from what North Korea has going on.

Nonsense unsupported by the facts. National Socialist Germany had a market economy with a top personal tax rate of 13.7%, with consumer goods and services being almost entirely provided by private commerce. NK is an entirely Marxist-derived state-owned economy with almost no private industry. Difference is night and day faggot.

Well...both. Corruption at the top of the pyramid is bad. But as time goes on, leadership roles need to have a succession plan. Even if you can ensure morally and intellectually noble revolutionaries, how can you ensure a secession plan that maintains that kind of purity?

Primogeniture is one way, but that's Monarchy instead of National Socialism. It has its own problems.

No one made a serious study of NS economic system.

Capitalism by the way is not a problem, but lately it evolved into ultra-capitalism, which is globalism.
And this is shit, totally.

Adolf ran the war effort into the ground. Also, what happens when your perfect dictator dies? Will the next one be so kind, what will keep absolute power from corrupting his heart?

>Also, I'm not worshiping anybody. Serbia under Nedic regime was a good place.
yeah, amazing, random ressistance movements fighting eachother and the occupational forces, majority of the people hating the government, students getting shot so krauts can prove their point. fucking amazing.
> Hitler had good ideas for the most part.
no, he didn't.
>substantiate your claims
Mein Kampf Volume II Chapter 2-"The State"
start from "During the last century..."
Mein Kampf Volume II Chapter 14:
"Here Fate itself seems desirous of giving us a sign. By handing Russia to Bolshevism, it robbed the Russian nation of that intelligentsia which previously brought about and guaranteed its existence as a state. For the organization of a Russian state formation was not the result of the political abilities of the Slavs in Russia, but only a wonderful example of the state-forming efficacity of the German element in an inferior race. "
even if we take lebensraum and generalplan ost as lies and ignore everything he's been doing, this should still be more than enough.

youtube.com/watch?v=TjKy2XpXXt8

There's no such thing as "free" healthcare. Given that systems like social security require numerous taxpayers for every pensioner, it means they require infinite growth (which is impossible, obviously).

Also welfare of any kind is plunder, and subsidizes the least productive individuals in the economy. What fucking planet do you live on where whites are immune from becoming welfare queens?

>Who determines what is "good capitalism" and what is "evil kikery"
First of all "good capitalism" and "evil kikery" are the same thing.

But I know what your question actually is, and the answer is: an educated and invest community interest.

>What prevents companies from levying the government to just ban their competition? Seems like its would be rife with corruption (which nazi germany was)

There is no such thing as a corruption-free economic system. Assuming you weren't a jew and didn't step on the toes of the party on economic political issues (which the party was mostly pragmatic on), you were left alone.

Let me ask you; what prevents companies from using governmental power to intimidate their competition in a Libertarian system?

First and foremost Jewish merchants shall be banned. Also, social security shall be a racially segregated system so that up standing whites no longer pay the way for blacks who barely work.

Oh so they LIKED capitalism then?

if he sucks the empire collapses and will have to be reborn. it is a noble cycle, unlike the slow cancerous death we are experiencing with untrammeled capitalism.

>ultra-capitalism
You mean the coercive power of the state used to protect the ultra rich from competition?

>Let me ask you; what prevents companies from using governmental power to intimidate their competition in a Libertarian system?
The government shouldn't have such power. The power of the state is always a weapon to wield.

We want to turn it from an AK-47 into an olive fork.

Capitalism utilizes market economics, not all market economic systems are Capitalist in nature. You need to avoid the ideologue's "teachings" on this issue.

I would literally just copy and paste from those links, anyone sufficiently motivated will look at them. I'm not here to spoonfeed.

Phones and computers were created by the pentagon. So socialism

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It's basically the same thing as Nordic model socialism, which is normally what people in America refer to as socialism.

>_at any cost_
yeah you think you can just sneak this in to make capitalism sound evil but it's bullshit.

>The government shouldn't have such power. The power of the state is always a weapon to wield.
>We want to turn it from an AK-47 into an olive fork.

Either the government has the power to enforce itself or it isn't a government in function. If it isn't a government in function, then it isn't a government.

It seems you avoided my question.

The slow cancerous death is the product of the state enforcing the power of fundamentally sick institutions.

Just look at 2008, where the companies that helped create this mess were given massive bailouts with money stolen from the people.

In a free market the punishment for them fucking everything up is bankruptcy, which is what WOULD have happened without the state intervening.

Or look at colleges, where the government subsidizes humanity departments which actively profess the destruction of the white race.

>lol you dumb pig. Of course we'll be forcing people into the left door at gun point XD wut u think we doin lmao

Hitler was a catholic, but in any case I'd avoid calling yourself a National Socialist. The word is forever tainted, and Hitler warned of using unpopular phrasing and symbols in Mein Kampf.

>Capitalism by the way is not a problem, but lately it evolved into ultra-capitalism, which is globalism.

Isn't that the obvious outcome and the point of National Socialism though, to not put the individual above the rest of the nation because he will just end up selling out his country for more profit?

How do you think we got to this point anyway? It's all just mass brainwashing with virtues being turned into sins and vice versa. Caring about your own country more then selling out for a personal profit used to be considered noble, now it's considered 'racist' because we're all children of Gaia man, borders are just like, imaginary lines in the sand like you know?

You know there's many white trash pieces of shit who don't work, right?

Good point user, that's how capitalism works. If you don't work, the proverbial gun of starvation and homeless is pointed at your head

>It seems you avoided my question.
How so? What is so unbelievable about a state not having the power to strongarm private individuals over what they do with their own money? In my country it wasn't until the 30's that the government had such power, time was that property rights were as sacred as the right to free speech, or bearing arms.

The government doesn't need to have absolute control over the people it governs to function. In fact the enlightenment's crowning achievement was that of limited government. Something we in the West seem to forget.

>to make capitalism sound evil

If there isn't a profit in pursuing a particular action, either directly or indirectly, a company or individual in a capitalist system has no incentive to actually commit said action. That doesn't make the system inherently evil, that's like saying nature is evil because thousands of animals suffer agonizing deaths every day. It's not a sentient entity in it's own right. It does however provide individuals the inventive to be evil, which is what happens every day.

>sneak this in

I specifically use the "_ _" to highlight it, sneaking it in was the opposite of my intent.

Are you shitposting or just thick?

How about you read the wages of destruction the making and the breaking of the nazi economy.

How would NATSOC treat intellectual property?
It is absolutely choking every industry to death, even more so than any environmental protection claim. Manufacturing, pharmaceuticals, computing, it all dies in the court room because of industry capture by people with no interest to even put it into production, just to siphon off others that can.

The main point is NatSoc is BURNING OF THE JEWS, so, naturally, that means creating your own currency that actually belongs to your people.

yea but what else are these companies going to do? it is their nature to become as powerful as possible and that means using the government or making the government into a useful tool. it is more realistic to expect 1 man to be pure remain pure than to expect mercantile enterprises to do the same.

free market capitalism inevitably leads to statism because its the economically smart thing to do. unless you have unbreakable rules enforced by a STATE because companies aren't going to follow the rules just because it fulfills your libertarian wet dream

Except my desire to have what you can't get is stronger than your desire to sit on your couch and wish for a future with UBI.

The only thing we agree on is that some kind of UBI would have to happen once ALL jobs are automated. But that doens't mean we abolish property rights, faggot.

>Everybody's Chill
Your body temperature gets colder and colder until you die when you starve so yeah.

I like it.

How do we stop that?