I have been romanticizing this place for a while

I have been romanticizing this place for a while...
As a libertarian, finishing college (studiying comp. sci) living in a proto-socialist state, I've been looking for alternatives, for better places to live my life and to be a productive member of society at to have the freedom to live life to the fullest of its liberties. According to the research I've done, Switzerland seems like the ideal place.
Pros:
Not in the EU (based switzerland although they still have to comply with some regulation)
Low taxes
Small government
Close to my home country, can go back to visit family
Nice gun laws (not sure if they apply to immigrants though, swiss help would be appreciated).
Great environment to create a business
Cons:
Would have to learn german (i like to learn new stuff so its not a big deal. i've heard the french speaking part sucks)
Higher cost of living

How would one move to this beautiful land? What do you recommend? Is Switzerland this good or are the "freedoms" in switzerland a meme? Am I delusional about this country or not?

How would one move to this beautiful land?
you will not. Unless you are 18 and have 30 years time to become a citizen, nothing of what you dream will come true. You will always be considered the foreigner. and btw, you are coward

How am I a coward? For leaving my country and searching for a better life? I love the people of my land, but I'm powerless to change the politics of my land. Those who truly rule arent the polititians, but the unknown. And those that rule, will rule no matter what. I'd just want to make a good living in Switzerland, I'm not saying i want to become a swiss. My priority is my family and my country.

>I'm powerless
no you are a coward AND a lazy faggot, not different from a shitskin or a Nigger

You're fucking delusional if you think you can change the world by yourself. In an ideal scenario, I'd get rich and change my country with my power, now if you're nobody, no, you cant change shit.

Pfffftttttttttttttt good luck. You're never gonna be able to live in Switzerland faggit. Unless you wait for 67 years and get citizenship.

No you will not. Like every leech who migrates from a places where he assumes to have lesser chances, to a place where he hopes milk and honey flows and grilled doves fly in his mouth you will become a lazy faggot leeching of the land, being despite by your former country man and hated by the original habitants of that country.
>Muah I'ma an asocial faggot who can't into party politics
you are a disgrace for the human species, please off yourself asap

Is it that bad burgerbro? Do you really need to change your citizenship to enjoy the low taxes and the freedom? I also thought about the US, but it'd be way more far away from home. Places like Delaware and New Hampshire look like good places. What do you think?

>generalizing to the extreme
Look faggot, I'm not some lazy fuck majoring in gender studies from an unacreditted
university. I love science, love to learn and want to make a good living thats all. I'm a libertarian, I fucking hate the welfare state, you expect me to go for the gibs? I think you're so embroiled in your rhetoric, you can't even see clearly.

I can't stop you. Have fun being the foreigner and have your kids and their kids grow up as outcasts who will always be the Gualle. If you are interested how miserable a foreigner in Switzerland is, even in multi culti Zürich, search for the American in Switzerland in the archives. He will probably off himself at one point. He claimed to be a productive member of society to, didn't manage to be accepted in 6 years. Now he can't go back

Their chocolate tastes good, but I mostly prefer Najlepse Zelje. A country that is 100 times better than Serbia, but I have to be better at German to move there.

Being an immigrant sucks but there's nothing that can be done about that. Im sure any other country would treat immigrants like shit (except sweeden kek)

Fuck off, we're full.

No you fucking aren't, now share your gold faggot or we're sending more mudslimes your way.

Fucking try it, Pierre.

fuck off, they are full

its not that great. its the best place in europe, but that's hardly impressive. we have a lot of problems and trouble. dont come here though.

I only come in these threads to see swiss scream at european migrants

Why would you want to give us the boon of all your new engineers and doctors? No friend, we are swiss, not selfish. We will allow you to keep them all :^)

How's it like for immigrants in there? Also, how's the job market?

This country sucks. Don't come.
We have like 70% foreigners and shitskins already.
Stay OUT portunigger.

1\ Very bad. You will be hated
2\ You will be a very overworked, very underpaid toilet cleaner. You will have no right to complain. There are no laws that will protect you. We will fire you at a moments notice if you complain and this is legal. The moment you are fired you will lose your right to live here. These factors will compound into ensuring you are an obedient toiling cleaning slave.

Switzerland is a fucking meme.

Switzerland is as hedonistic and materialistic as all the other European nations. The media is as bad as it is everywhere in the West and most people (at least here in Zürich) are cultural marxists.

And I'm not saying this because of the "fuck off we're full" meme.

>That one austria that obsessively hates switzerland.
Someones still buttmad we BTFO their joke army in the 1600s :^)
>willing lives in zurich
you're either a foreigner or a masochist

Do you really think anyone likes the Portuguese immigrants? You guys are the "literally who?"s of this country. And that's not a good thing desu.

Also we despise your language. It's like a more disgusting Spanish.

It's impossible, unless you are a genius don't come. PhD in mathematics/chemistry/comp.sci etc. from a prestigious uni will also allow you to stay for a while but you will never be able to speak Swiss German.

Swiss people are very reserved, so finding friends will be very hard. Even Germans are being bullied out of our countries (not a joke, there are many documentaries on this phenomenon)

Do you repair toilet and do janitor stuff ? That's what you're gonna do.

at least you are european and not american like the one who always claim to be a proud swiss.

Austria is just discount Switzerland.

>european
portugal is a moor colony.

I'm not a foreigner and was born here in Zürich. The canton is shitty, especially the people, I admit, but the universities are great.

Where is a good place to live in Switzerland?

If you like French and Italians so much by all means go to Switzerland.
Austria is 100% German engineered and it shows.

its aboud mindset, i dont like american mindset, southern people are lazy but atleast they are not arrogant and rude like americans.

ETH is a great uni true, but in and out. good cantons aren't a thing. the idea is to live outside of the city as much as possible.

avoid
>geneve
>zurich
>st.gallen
>basel
>bern
>lausanne
>fribourg (new town)

anywhere else is enjoyable imo. i dont fall into the meme of hating swiss romande. valais is awesome, the haters will hate though
explains why you're such turbo cucks that voted for a hard-leftists

At least your beer is cheaper.

Fuck off we're full.

Toilet cleaning? I thought I was going to do software engineering, not toilet cleaning. You must be exaggerating.

Yeah I've heard that, wouldn't mind living in a more rural canton. Any recommendations?

I know about them, they are the but end of all jokes. I'm very proficient in english, and I believe I'm good at what I do, if only speak english, the only way you could tell would be if you ask me.

>to that other user
>just avoid any place that is not a mountain village in bumfuck nowhere
>to me
>you are so left with your 40% FPÖ government, can't compete against our almost 20% SVP

i have nothing against italians. but the portugese are really gross friend. i dont think you have much interaction with them if you think otherise

yeah right

rich western countries like swizerland have enough skilled workers, what they need are cheap labor force who do the shit work. we imported the refugees from africa and the middle east becouse of that reason.

>Switzerland voted NO to eu
>Austria ..........
Keep cucking

I've been to Austria and you are not better than us. Sorry, our work is just better and it shows in almost everything.
You also have massive problems with slavs crossing your borders.

Bern is actually a secret tip to live in, but you need to know where, or you end up with retarded romandes. And all our unis are great (top 100 internationally), except maybe the meme unis in Luzern and Italian speaking parts.

If you had the experience required to get such a job you wouldn't be wasting your time asking stuff here and would already have 100 job offers lined up. If you don't have it and only a BSc in Comp Sci you can forget getting a job (except a low paid internship for 6 months) .

no. you imported them to replace you and turn your germanic blood brown so the kikes could easily control you. we're not the same friend.
>Bern is actually a secret tip to live in
bern is super pretty but its also the home-base of the swiss version of anti fa friend

Switzerland voted YES for letting "minor criminals" like drug dealers or rapists stay in the country.
Switzerland voted YES for massive executive power to the state media, Germany tier cuckery.
Switzerland voted YES for full internet surveillance, you can't even legally pirate a movie lol.
Switzerland will also vote YES YES YES PLEASE when it comes to giving up your guns, as long as the EU gives you shekels in return.

Still not in the EU.

I already live outside of the city, but even here we are full with shitskins and Kosovo-Albanians.

Still more cucked under EU legislation than EU countries (like Austria).
Cucking yourself without need or legal obligation is even more cucked than cucking yourself because you have to.

Stfu you retarded cuck, slavs and gypsies can just enter your country as they please without any restrictions whatsoever.
You have nothing to write in our Swiss (TM) thread, report to your EU deputy and ask him for permission to vacate this thread immediately.

Yep, the city itself has good and bad places, but you can easily find very very cheap and extremely beautiful places to live in with pretty much no drawback.

>Cons
Living in a tiny apartment in an ugly place far from the sea.
Impossibly long to attain citizenship. You might think it's a good thing but living most of your life as a second class citizen isn't fun.
Massive amount of foreigners and growing.
Very nervous people.
Germans
Frenchmen
Highly competitive workplaces and markets.
Near communism for the lower and middle classes.

For someone extremely talented willing to bus his ass off 70hours a week it's a great place. But then most places in the world are great when you're like that.

>be 12 year old Swiss girl
>get horribly raped by Turk "maler und lackierer" (unverzichtbare Fachkraft), among 5 other girls
>doesn't even get punished
Ottoman ruled third world Islamic shithole.

>Kosovo-Albanians.
these are the worst. i live in a village of 600 people in valais so none of that here but im lucky... sorry mate.
Still not in the Eu
i just dont like cities friend. i visit bern every time i have foreign firneds here for vacation here to show them the arcades (how ever you say this in enlighs)

I thought refugees couldn't get jobs...

>Nice gun laws (not sure if they apply to immigrants
Anyone can go there and buy any weapon, including silenced bazookas and manpads.

Source: it's only reasonable to let strangers access weapons, the only source of any kind of power.

Stay mad, mare fucker and dog eater.

>not sure if they apply to immigrants
They don't

>including silenced bazookas and manpads.
Just go in Russia

they cant get legal jobs so they are not able to get minimum wage which make them cheap labor slaves for shit work.

>one more poortuguese coming to Switzerland
FUCK OFF WE'RE FULL*

* : unless you're very very very wealthy

im the opposite of mad friend. you on the other hand, are in the EU

>* : unless you're muslim

Remember all the Swiss guys telling you they dislike French people who work in Switzerland and come to live here?

They are not French. The French lands around Geneva are the second most diverse place of France behind Marseilles.

look who's talking

>They are not French.
Not true. For the most part they are.

>The French lands around Geneva
Only if you're speaking about the billionaire villages directly on the lake.

True. I remember how me and other Swiss people in my school were ridiculed for being Swiss and speaking without a heavy accent. I even remember how these foreigners were boasting with the fact that Swiss people are going extinct.

Switzerland is important to the Rothschilds. That's why it's able to remain neutral in wars, avoid the project to mongrelize the rest of Europe, and it's where the blast shelters for the elites are. So of course it's very difficult to immigrate to. They want to ruin every white country but this one it seems. If you can pull it off however it's probably the safest place in the entire world. You're ancestors would be grateful.

This. I have met a ton of interns that would have liked to stay here, mostly architectural students. Almost none of them managed to make it. The ones that did were women that eventually married/banged their way into a Swiss citizenship.
I know exactly 1 (1) person that managed to immigrate via his university career pretty much , and he's a mathematician from India.

> new city parts suck
Yep, I also prefer old city parts, I'm actually very worried that we are going to see similar evolution like Austria/Germany, where you have a kebab store every 2-3 meters. They should regulate this before it gets worse.

They can't.

We don't brag about being anti immigrant

Switzerland is one of the most enriched shitholes in Europe, they have more than 50% foreigners.
They are total whores who would do anything for a few francs.

I just don't want to get cucked by high taxes and gov't intervention

Does intelligence count? I think this could be mutually beneficial. I wouldn't speak my language at you, just german. I hate when I have to speak spanish because some spaniard doesnt know directions. I get you guys.

Its one of the top counties on Cato Institutes freedom index too

how can you write this with a straight face.
despite the memes swiss girls are pretty loyal to country so im not worried about extinction. its really are men that aren't as faithful as they should be.
we used to have a ban on the # of resteraunts foreigners could open in my canton, i..e., like if there are 4 disgusting nigger ethopia "Food" places you cant open a 5th. not sure if thats still a law. but yes. ban kebab like we banned minaret. kebab is so gross

>and he's a mathematician from India.
exactly what I had in mind.

It's a great place to live in if you're gonna do banking/open labs and international businesses.
Which requires immense talent and to work until your body starts falling apart.

How many times did you have to get mugged by Czech prostitutes to become so butthurt about Switzerland my dear Mozartkugeled friend?

No. If you are intelligent, then you can bring something valuable to the country.

Fuck off gary johnson

Switzerland is a very great country, a model state. Others should follow their example. They won't let you in easily, though. I wouldn't personally wagecuck there as a migrant, either. If you're not born there, get over it and move on with your life. You won't wagecuck your way to citizenship.

The key to success in this life is stop being a wagecuck, get an online income and move anywhere in the world. I actually don't understand why wagecucks are so attached to particular locations, however great they are. Just travel everywhere and "work" online.

If you are libertarian do not move to America

>be a rootless cretin
you're the product of kike brainwashing. im sorry.

>I just don't want to get cucked by high taxes and gov't intervention
Gov intervention is fairly strong on some points. Like driver's licenses.

If taxes keep you from sleeping at night there are a lot of countries with generous tax policy or the opportunity to dodge them as a foreigner with valuable assets.

>how can you write this with a straight face.
And you?

>weapons
If you're not from Albania or some shithole like that, and you don't have a criminal record, you can get a bolt action. If you get a background check, you can get a semi auto.
Google "Swiss gun laws", there's a pic floating around that's pretty accurate.

i didn't write it. you did.

And what was I replying to?

LMAO, you literally live in a country built by people with my mindset

this

Keep toiling for your kike masters

Imagine having to listen to SchwitzerDeutsch 24/7
It's probably the ugliest language in the world.
A 10/10 woman would instantly turning into a 7/10 for speaking this hideous joke of a language.

I would bet anything that the majority of our immigrants are worse the majority of yours.

Here you go.

But I've seen videos of non-white people living and working in your country, including Muslims. Libertarian Realist has done a video on Switzerland, showing non-Europeans running shops and so forth.

What it's your problem with the alpeans?

Yeah but I want to live in a place where people think like me. In a free place, there are free people, and thats a better place to live then commeistan. Also the pay is nice unlike over here.

I admire Switzerland to some extent, and I think a small nation such as ours could learn from them. However, I'd never actually move there or anywhere else for that matter. A future in which my people are not present is no future at all, but maybe that's just me. I will take my stand here.

i dont work. ive been retired for a decade. but your way of living is souless and destructive. people without roots have no basis. no basis means no real morals or integrity. you are a shadow, hollow, vacuous, and pointless. i respect the "wagecuck" construction worker, welder, farmer, baker a thousand fold more than ill ever respect trash like you

At least Americans did't wreck Europe 4 times over, Hanz. Or is it Muhammad?

Pros:
Many areas are heavily anti immigrant.

Those are usually the safest ones.

>even jealous of our Czech meth whores

permit, not just background check
you need a background check for any gun

Why not? I know your Constitution, it's nice. Also guns. Say it with me:
SHALL

>The allies were the "Good" side of WW1 and WW2
this is what the kike slaves really think lmao