POOLAND STARTED WW2

Does anybody actually think Poland somehow started WW2?

Please explain what stupid shit do you really believe in, generally curious

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Poland stole land from Austria, Hungary, and Germany after WWII. It was purely a defensive war on Germany's part.

I'm interested to know why that Polish attack on the German military was a German false flag. I hear nothing but "IT WAS AWWWWWBIVIOUS!"

Maybe you should have just given the Germans Danzig.

Fine, what is your definition of stole?

How was it stolen if Poland claimed them 1000 years ago and held them for 800?

Nazi dindus basing everything off ww2 propaganda.

It happened a day before the Germans attacked

How could they prepare all such an army in less than 24h

Did they come up with Fall Weiss in less than 24h?

Also Blitzkrieg was fully offensive, shouldnt they defend themselves after being """"""""""attacked"""""""""""

>Please explain what stupid shit do you really believe in, generally curious

That completely depends on what the definition of "start" is. Ordering full blown invasion? Then Germany. Border incidents where soldiers/civilians were killed? Germany and Poland. Plan to use Poland as a means to start a war with Germany? Britain and US. Keeping general high tensions within Europe after WW1 so that nobody comes to rest? Everyone but Germany until 1933. Deciding to join the underdog because otherwise war would have been prevented? Then USSR.

Shoulda ceded danzig mate

The only source for it being a false flag is Alfred Naujocks who defected to the allies in 1944

Prussia belongs to Germans and Prussians, prussians don't exist anymore because they assimilated to german culture so prussia obviously belongs to germans. Prussia was never Polish and never will be.

Your goverment was in bed with the zionists you got what you deserved.

Because ceding the Sudetenland had turned out so well for Czechoslovakia before.

If you give a bully and a madman what he wants, he will only want more. Give him and inch and he will take a mile. We should have annihilated Hitler as soon as he occupied the Rhineland in '36, and so prevented the World War.

In addition. Seeing WW2 as a single incident is completely retarded and lacks context. The whole period from 1850 - 1950 should be seen as one era in time were Europe went full retard (some earlier, some later) and only stopped when everyone was literally grinded to the ground. Because at the end of that era, European hegemony over the planet was gone and the ruling parties were the US and USSR.

>get punched
>defense is not punching back

wew

>only we can have an Empire
Fuck the Britcucks. It is unparalleled poetic justice that you became an irrelevant rump state after WW2 that was superseded in every way by a former colony. Had you aligned with Hitler, the British Empire would still exist.

agree, discussing ww2 as an isolated world war not considering this entire period is dumb and missing the bigger picture

Officially they did. The German blue book states that Poland declared war on Germany and attacked them along the border. Whether these were official or not doesn't matter. Poland caused it plus all that shit over Germany's territory. I love you guys but your authoritarian shit tier fake government conspired with the anglos and frogs to cause that shit.

>get punched
>what?

This

I mean, that's like saying jews were Polish

>I only like imperialism of my country

retarded britcuck

Those parts were never annexed by Poland though.

>If you give a bully and a madman what he wants, he will only want more.
So you want to also go in and list all the other bullies? France taking a heavy anti German stance, bringing up Poland, Czecheslovakia and even Austria to take an anti German stance. In 1933, the only neighbors who were not anti German were Switzerland, Netherlands and Denmark. And Poland also didn't really behave nice after WW1, regularly crossing into German territory because they only had a 100k man army which couldn't do shit.

>We should have annihilated Hitler as soon as he occupied the Rhineland in '36, and so prevented the World War.
Oh you historically illiterate. The reason that didn't happen was because you fucking couldn't do it. The arms race started again around 1930 where Britain and US made some naval agreements while France never really stopped rearming after WW1 (but they signed the treaty saying they would do it). Yet, France was a fucking pussy, Britain could not provide enough ground forces in 1936 and Germany was faster with rearmament than the rest starting 1935. Even in 1938 you still did not have the means to do so, otherwise your bitch ass pussy government wouldn't have given in at the munich agreement.

Nah...

But you guys sure believed in your victory.

tsar-ivan.livejournal.com/8522.html

We should have let you and the Communists fight it out in '39, because by then it was impossible to prevent a World War; but to align with you, to take sides with a bullying despot, no, never. That would have been beneath the honour and virtue of every decent Englishman.

He would not allow any conspiration and join axis
(presumably)

>the polish government was not riling up people against Germans in the border region
>the polish government didnt supply militants with arms
>the polish government didnt antagonize Germany at every opportunity since Pilsudski died
>Jozef Beck didnt fall for the English blanco guarantee in case of war, hoping to conquer Berlin

>It happened a day before the Germans attacked
>How could they prepare all such an army in less than 24h
This isn't even an argument? because the point of having a standing military is to be at a constant state of readiness. Every nation on this planet has detailed plans on invading their neighbours

>Refuses to negotiate the release of Danzig
>Murders ethnic Germans instead
>"wtf why you invade Poland bro?"

>So you want to also go in and list all the other bullies? France taking a heavy anti German stance, bringing up Poland, Czecheslovakia and even Austria to take an anti German stance. In 1933, the only neighbors who were not anti German were Switzerland, Netherlands and Denmark. And Poland also didn't really behave nice after WW1, regularly crossing into German territory because they only had a 100k man army which couldn't do shit.

I wonder, if that has something with the fag, that FUCKING KRAUTS KICKED OFF FUCKING WW1 AND LOST AT IT.

Fucking niggers, where will you own up to the shit you started? No wonder america is such nigger shit, considering it's filled to the brim with fucking krautniggers!

This is Prussia, it didnt even belong to Poland in 1939

>That would have been beneath the honour and virtue of every decent Englishman.
Yeah right, just like killing millions of Indians over the time, fucking shit up in Egypt between the World Wars similar to what Hitler did with Czecheslovakia, only that the Egyptian death count was multitudes higher... oh the gold old english honor.

You think after having so many young men dying in vain in trenches full shit, piss and guts up to their neck would make the british so eager to jump into another world war

>it's another "lets blame WW1 on Germany alone" meme.

Neck yourself retard.

Polish army mobilized months before German army mobilized starting in spring/early summer of the year 1939

Nobody would ever have invaded Germany wilfully had you kept to yourselves, and, had they done so, Britain would undoubtedly have backed you just as it backed neutral and sovereign Belgium in 1914. There was a great deal of sympathy with you because of perceived injustice about the Treaty of Versailles (personally I do not find a great deal of fellow feeling with that sentiment, in view of the fact that your nation was chiefly responsible for the war). That was why we let you go as far as we did - to our and the world's peril. But compassion is not a virtue that I should expect a Prussianist to understand. The point of the matter is, all your Hitler had to do was keep within his own borders, and leave everybody else alone. He did not do so, a World War followed, and the consequence is that nationalist and right-wing feeling has been stigmatized in Europe for above seventy years.

Half of Germany will be Polish actualy but nvm.

Don't fall for that obvious shilling...

Poland this Poland that ffs how is he still finding fools

Hitler got fucking greedy after he had annexed Austria democratically and then Czechoslovakia by threatening them.
He should have build some mega tunnel or constructed a highway in co-operation with Poland into East Prussia, but no he had to have a land connection.

If Hitler didn't start the war there would be Germany today with Czechia, Austria and muh East Prussia/Königsberg. Instead we have the Muslim Germany because all real men got killed, now they and their women just want to import all immigrants.

>Half of Germany will be Polish actualy but nvm.
Half of Germany will be Polish actualy but nvm.
>Half of Germany will be Polish actualy but nvm.
Half of Germany will be Polish actualy but nvm.
>Half of Germany will be Polish actualy but nvm.
Half of Germany will be Polish actualy but nvm.

we wuz peaceful boles we dindu nuffin nazees obreßßed us gib reberadions :DD

My point is that we should have avoided a World War. Invading early would have prevented one, and making peace late would have prevented one. Responding to German aggression as late as '39 was our mistake. By then we ought to have left them to their own devices and allowed the Communists and the Nazis to tear each other to pieces while we retained our Empire intact.

Even the weimar government was already bypassing versailles in the rearmament limits

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>German aggression

remember when Germany declared war on you when you showed aggression to 25% of the world? No? But Germany getting back its ancestral clay? Oh no the Anglo cant have that

We didn't kill anyone. They died from famine, a typical Malthusian catastrophe. Meanwhile we banned their most barbaric practices such as widow burning

>Nobody would ever have invaded Germany wilfully had you kept to yourselves

This is bullshit and you know it. Imagine the economic reforms of the NatSoc but without rearming, still getting Rhineland and Austria. There would still be shit going on between Poland and Germany because it was going on since 1920, so saying "kept to yourselfs" is already a completely unrealistic scenario. And once nobody except Germany recovered from the economic crisis of 1929, having nearly the GDP of the British and French empire combined, the British balance of power policy would have kicked in which would have led to another war. You did it for 400 years (churchills words) and it's completely out of touch to believe otherwise.

At least know your own history before you shit out this bullshit. It's completely naive drivel that simply ignores many things already going on.

Hitler was a dumb cunt and he got smashed because of it, end of.

A retard thinking Poland will rule Europe based on a immigrant crisis doesnt negate war crimes tho

Germany deserved what it got.

>Polish
>Not Jews
Well, maybe not. Definitely Zionist cucks.

You should be a historian

>Polish death camps, Poles did holocaust
>Poles are zionist

Pick one, wtf

You are in a decilne Kraut. You are passing away. And we will have to protect our diaspora.

>We didn't kill anyone.
WE FUCKING DINDU

Yet, Churchill even rerouted food from India to the British mainland knowing lots of people will die in India because of it during the war. God dammit how full of shit can you be? Even before 1900 more than 20 million indians starved due to policies implemented where they knew what would happen.

Could there be a plan to relocate all the Polish diaspora in the UK, Iceland etc to Germoney to invade them later

>why do people think of us as subhumans I dont understand

hmmm

We maintained peace in Europe for a hundred years in the nineteenth century (look up the Pax Britannica), intermittently broken, of course, by your nation's warmongering on the continent under Bismarck. You then broke that peace in toto by starting the First World War, bringing Britain into that war by your criminal invasion of the sovereign and neutral country of Belgium. I have said it before and I will say it again, German militarism is a cancer upon Europe, and always has been from its very inception under Frederick.

I don't think Germans would have even attacked France without the alliance with Poland. It's either France or Poland that should have been thrown under the bus, France got utterly BTFO, so if UK just let them act tough but didn't start war, they and Germans could have both had their empires.

France must have been almost like buffer for British against Germany, even though they are now the strongest country in Europe.

It is amusing to see a German of all people point his finger and blame another nation for alleged colonial abuses.

>thinking you have any rights to moderate Europe whatsoever

kekles

>be British
>fight for jews two times
>win war
>lose Empire
>get stabbed
>get trucked
>get blown up
>get your daughter raped by paki grooming gangs while the paki mayor of your city monitors your online comments for hate speech
>get acid thrown in face to get the quintessentially british look
>yfw

well deserved desu

guys i read this thread and realized something: world war 3 is literally going to start because of germany and poland fighting over danzig

>We maintained peace in Europe
Ah so people stop killing each other for some time and it's all thanks to the british empire? Fkn lmao, anglo arrogance at it's finest.

>by your nation's warmongering on the continent under Bismarck.
What he did with Austria was no concern of the British Empire anyway and the Franco-Prussian war was started by France.

>then broke that peace in toto by starting the First World War
Ah this meme again. Debunked by historians since 1924.

>bringing Britain into that war
Yeah I mean it's not like you could have stopped France and Russia to start mobilization by simply uttering "no we will not support you" or you could have stopped Germany from doing shit by saying to France and Russia "yes we will support you". Yet, you chose to say nothing knowing it will be the only path to war. Your Foreign minister Grey was aware of this fact and he was also the Person who was "responsible" for uttering the needed words.

>Being Pole
>start with killings of ethnic Germans,
>then start WW2, Polish army stronk
>getting scattered by Wehrmacht

>starting WW3
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jrbooksonline.com/HTML-docs/Polish_Atrocities_intro.htm

very long text and you are probably to lazy to read this so here is a short version :

youtu.be/FV-zcaJaf9w

for months you were doing shit. hitler warned you several times but you ddnt listen. also he just wanted danzig. he had no real reason or support of the population to annex all of your country out of nowhere. but you gave him that reason and the support for free.

this is why many people htink you started ww2.
" why die for danzig?" - french slogan.

>kill people by starvation
>lmao you just got malthusianed bro!

Anglos are almost as hypocritical as jews

Right, because Germany is well know for their huge colonial abuses... which pale in comparison to these of any other empire, be it British, French, Spanish or Portugese.

>muh killing of ethnic germans
Some loudmouths getting their noses red and it's the equivalent of genocide for Hitler.

Indians would have died in famines regardless if the British were there or not. Or is it the white mans burden to stop every drought throughout the world?

Holodomor is fake too, they just died from famine because food had to be in more important locations.

You can't read huh ahmed?

Well I guess the Poles just got their "noses red" in retaliation so its fair and square.

That's what you get when Cromwell lets the Jews back in in 1650, having the first Jewish central bank with fractional reserve banking in 1690 and spreading liberalism since then. Britain was the instrument of the Jew since then, France joined after their revolution and the US too at the beginning of the 20th century.

>Indians would have died in famines regardless if the British were there or not.

Yeah you could some proof to back up these shit claims? Because the policies started by the british empire to create such food shortages can be googled easily.

Not a single one of the catastrophes now facing the entire West would have come to pass, had your Hitler simply kept to his own country and his own borders.

We caused droughts now did we? This is some embarrassing white mans burden stuff right here.

West Prussia was predominantly German during the interwar period. Poland got it for the sake of a few Kashub snowflakes and a bit of coastline, then waved its dick at Germany when Germany requested transport access to Danzig and East Prussia.

I don't understand why your government wouldn't just do a population swap with the Germans and give up Danzig. It wasn't even a Polish city at the time. Furthermore why would you want so many foreigners in your country?What were your forefathers thinking?

Hitler admired the fact you guys beat back the Soviets in the 20's. Germany isn't faultless but neither is Poland

Germany created Poland after Brest-Litovsk you mong. The KuK was doomed to fail regardless if the Central Powers had won WWI. Also
>Poland
>Taking land from Hungary

France emancipated the Jews in 1791, at a time when Jews did not have the right to hold a single noteworthy office in this country, and were subject to severe encumbrances under the law, and yet we fought against and crushed France. Our own Jews were not emancipated until 1858. So pray, tell, how will your folly unravel this evident contradiction, if the British Empire was at that time "under their control"?

That because Germany never had a large colonial empire like the ones you cited
Germans still did some fucked up shit to people like namibians, such as driving them off to the desert

>Nazi dindu nuffin
>Poland war was defensive
>Norway just had to be annexed
>Czech Republic had to be annexed
>Denmark because we need ports
>But Nazi's were purely defensive not offensive
>Also fuck Stalin

Anyone who doesn't understand that Lebensraum required offense and nothing about WW2 was defensive on German's part is not a real nazi

True. English liberalism is the foundation for communism, thats why Marx enjoyed living in England so much while he was banned from Germany

>had your Hitler simply kept to his own country and his own borders.

Again this bullshit. Border incidents were going on with Poland since 1920, there literally was no "kept to his own". The entire Weimar Republic saw the German-Polish border as changeable and Hitler was the first one to say "yeah lets finalize that border" to stop the shit that was going on and then it was Poland who didn't give a shit and basically wanted more... what they did since 1920.

>Not a single one of the catastrophes now facing the entire West would have come to pass
You delusional retard. France and Britain won both world wars and your capital mayor is still a fucking muslim. Not having WW2 would have changed what exactly? The peace period in Europe would have been 25 years longer than it is now, meaning the people had still more time to become fat, lazy and degenerate.

>How could they prepare all such an army in less than 24h
Because they were obviously preparing in advance to respond to acts of aggression you fucking pleb.
America nowadays could have boots on the ground anywhere in the world in 24h. Germany didn't have the technology or the international military bases the US has now, but they were right fucking next to you.
Hitler wasn't fucking stupid. He knew Germany's enemies were fixing for war, he wasn't going to leave Germany wide open.

There is no such thing as west prussia

Prussia is in the east

"West Prussia" is Polish regions under a dumb confusing name

Read Prussian history

>lets keep importing food from your place eventhough you're facing shortages
>dude droughts lmao

>Not a single one of the catastrophes now facing the entire West would have come to pass, had you not

>declared war on Germany 1939
>passed Versailles treaty
>joined WW1
>let the Rothschilds run your government
>invent English liberalism
>let jews into your country

you wont weasel yourself out of this Anglo, you are guilty for this world, it is a direct result of two Ango victories and Anglo school of thought.

Would you give up some Texan territory or anything in the south just because it has more Mexicans than Americans? Probably not, so for the same reason Polish goverment wouldn't reliquish territory with more Krauts.

We have places where Swedish is the majority's language, but I would never give those places for Sweden either.

liberalism is a fucking disease for timid faggots

Well, without going into any other of your other myriad colonial atrocities, let us begin with the fact that your nation committed the very first genocide of the 20th century. Germany literally tried to exterminate two entire peoples, the Herero and Nama, and did succeed in murdering above a hundred thousand of them by starvation and dehydration. By contrast, famines have been going on in India since time immemorial.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_genocide

Nazis were imperialists they wanted to conquer the whole known universe

So why would you call anything defensive, it was all HItlers dumb imperialistic utopia fantasy

Yes that's what I'm saying

HE even laid it out in Mein Kampf, the book nazis like to recite, and yet they don't talk about it. Retards

Nobody gives a shit about "noteworthy office" when they are in charge of the money supply. That is literally what the Rothschild back then said. When your first Central bank is Jewish owned you can be sure that they don't give a shit about "noteworthy office" when they have a lot of power in economy. And since monarchy was basically removed, big money dictates what happens... as always in (((democracy))). You just pay off the politicians, or give favors etc.

Even laughable that someone has to explain this to you assuming you are a Sup Forums regular ...

calling nazi actions defensive is disrespectful towards Hitler and his followers

>What is no ports

You had literally minimal access to sea and yet managed to pull colonialism off. No other country did this. What are your thoughts about on?

they killed germans in mass. also just a few years erlier it was german clay.

so to answer your question : yes, if burgers stole some land on the mexican border, then after 20 kill years kill all mexicans there in the most brutal way, the mexicans would be right to be very pissed about that.

also keep in mind that poland is just a weak shithole compared to germany. its as if nigeria would kill americans in mass. then burgers would be mad too dont you think?

Exactly, diaspora should be deported not take over lands that belong to someone else

German has a stealing nigger mentality

I never asked why the Poles didn't give up the land, I asked why they wouldn't want to try and exchange the Poles in East Prussia with the Germans in the corridor. Danzig at the time was a Polish-puppet state with a German majority

France and Britain won two World Wars, yes -- World Wars which were caused by the actions of your nation, and it was the devastation resulting from them that demoralized people into accepting the foolish and liberal behaviours we see today. Anything even remotely right-wing is now immediately compared with Hitler and the Nazis. They have been doing it even since the days of Enoch Powell, who, when he recommended a halt to immigration and a scheme of voluntary repatriation, was derided as a Nazi by the press even though he despised the Nazis, had hated appeasement, and eagerly fought against Hitler as a common soldier.

Hitler's invasion of Poland was the last of a whole concatenation of actions that proved to Britain that he was a madman, and in no way a rational actor. As I have said, I do not believe we should have invaded so late as '39; by then we should have simply allowed the Nazis and the Communists destroy each other: but do not pretend that it was not your nation that gave rise to that war in the first place.

>let us begin with the fact that your nation committed the very first genocide of the 20th century
Great, lets pick a random human made timeframe for dramatic reason when it's completely irrelevant. So... a 100k people? That's cute.

> the British deliberately adopted policies that caused as many as 29 million Indians to starve to death in the late 19th century

independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-the-truth-our-empire-killed-millions-404631.html

Then you created first concentration camps in the Boer Wars, where you killed white brothers, 10% of their population in a year. And there is much more one could list. As I said, the colonial atrocities of Germany are laughable compared to these of all the other empires.