I don't understand how an entire generation can be so lazy

I don't understand how an entire generation can be so lazy.

says the neet in his moms basement

Fuck yeah alaska

if Alaska isn't too cold I should move there

It may have something to do with our costly education system and demand for new hires to have experience prior to being hired into +$20k/yr jobs

More so they told all the kids who should have gone into trade to go to college.

College became inflated with worthless degrees to keep up with the people who should have gone into a trade, because everyone is smart and a winner.

It's below freezing 2/3 of the year

I finished the equivalent of high school.

I live in a rural backwater with nojobs.

I earn far better than the millenial median in the USA.

With full social security, pension fund, health care etc.

I get paid 14 wages each year.

And i still hate my job.

>florida 20k
make 3 times that

Thank god I'm not stupid or lazy.

floridian here,this is making me want to go suck dick in DC so i can send money back home to my family

>lazy
I dislike millenials as much as any other person but boomers who say this shit can also fuck off. In their time you could work at fucking retail and earn enough money to buy a car and a house at like 20. No need for college or anything either.

lol ill be making 100k after my masters. Millennials are fucking losers.

This, best part is it massively inflated the trades market. Right now in Florida companies will pay to train you for any major trade and within a year you'll be making 60k to six figures. Compare that to the median income for millennials and it's just fucking nuts.

Protip: Even the states where they're making 'a lot of money' have an absurd cost of living.

See: New York, VT, and WA

>In their time you could work at fucking retail and earn enough money to buy a car and a house at like 20. No need for college or anything either.

And we are the ones who take shit for granted.

>A map of the concentration of h1b visas

Don't post that image, it gets threads deleted

So go up there and work during the summers. I did it for 3 summers from 2013-2015 and made 45-50k for 4 months of work each summer and then took the rest of the year off in CO doing nothing but shitposting, smoking legal weed, and playing vidya. The work was hard as fuck, 12 hour days of intense labor, 6 days a week. The money is more than worth it though. As soon as the work started to become a soul-destroying grind, the work season ended and I had 8 months of NEETing to unwind. Just when the NEETing was starting to get boring, it was time to head back up to Kodiak for the summer. Now I'm a full-time wagecuck and I don't even come close to pulling in the same amount of $ over the course of an entire year.

Robots and computers have taken over old jobs. Minimum wage has stagnated.


It has nothing to do with laziness.

because they're not counting benefits derived from their parents (e.g. health care, housing, food), and they're not counting benefits derived from the government (e.g. subsidized loans, NEETbux, food stamps)

BECAUSE FUCKS THINK THEY'RE ENTITLED TO THESE THINGS THEY DON'T COUNT

>Millennials always talk about how past generations ruin things all the while fucking shit up as much as they can for the next generation

Income was higher for young people in the 70s-80s when you factor in inflation

Why?

>Right now in Florida companies will pay to train you for any major trade and within a year you'll be making 60k to six figures.
There's no way that's true.

I'm a college dropout in WA state. it's not so much that I'm lazy, I just don't give a shit about much, school included.

I started working a shitty retail job after I dropped out, few years later I'm a manager of the store I started at. I run a business on the side. Make decent money, and overall I'm content.

cracks me up, I would say 70% of people that I interview for retail positions are either student doing some shitty degree, or graduates with shitty degrees. occasionally I'll even get a Phd or masters student interview for a retail position. fucking losers

college is perpetuated in order to keep people thinking that the system works. everybody thinks they will get a good job after they finish their degree, and if they dont, the reason is surely because they dont have a masters. so they get a masters. not surprisingly, this rarely leaves them any better off.

well that is generally how trades work.

You earn while you learn. The 60k not too sure about, but I've met some trade workers who make that much either starting their own company or working for a reputable company.

Im about to accept either an 45k or 51k job in Oklahoma. Im finding out that my chosen degree, Civil Eng, may not be the career I want indefinitely.

What are some alternatives that give dosh, semi blur collared, and work with men? No drug tests are a plus

I can promise you, you don't even have to be good at whatever trade you pick if you can sell or install.

>The 60k not too sure about
That's on the low end for plumbers which are on the lower end of the trade income bracket around here. You don't even need to work for yourself. 2 years as an hvac tech and I'm in charge of my own service department (aka the department that actually fixes shit).

What work was it exactly? Kind of curious and a place where staying indoors is the norm sounds pretty comfy.

Im a sophomore in college now studying Comp. Sci. Should I just say fuck it and join the military? I dont want to be fucked on landing a job once I graduate

we compete for jobs with the entire world
barely anyone wants to compete for jobs outside of the US

>degree
>"semi blue collared"

Waste of a degree.

This thread depresses the shit out of me.

Perhaps I will find a living abroad

Only niggers dislike cold weather.

So you're saying it's easier to land a job in another country vs in the US?

Of course it isn't true. The only thing with more lies written about it on the internet than STEM degrees are "trades".

I had someone swear to me that a carpenter in Ontario made $200,000 a year, out of school.

Look at literally any trade job (plumbing, industrial painting, truck driving etc.). The misconception perpetuated by the media is that these jobs are low paying and hard work. While in reality they are highly specific jobs that everyone needs someone to do so the pay is actually better than most people expect.

The dollar has lost 93% of it's value. You are slaves goy whether you admit it or not

washington's cost of living isn't bad at all. lived near downtown seattle for a couple of years a couple years ago. expenses were about $1k a month including food. dunno where people get that idea from.

now, california on the other hand...

There just aren't any jobs that pay above the poverty line.

They are like unicorns at this point.

No wonder all those Cali fags are blowing each other for pocket change.

Unskilled labor for a ground construction contractor, installing things like storm drains, water mains, fire hydrants, etc, as well as laying/packing foundations for roads(not paving though, that was separate contractor). The ground is only soft enough to work in from late May-early October so we had to squeeze a year's worth of work into 4 months, hence the insane work schedule. The pay was 48$ an hour though, and we typically earned about 20 hours of overtime each week, so you can imagine how quickly the cash piles up. We got paid every Friday and my average weekly check was about $2,500 after taxes.

Its called trickle down economics:
Treat your employees like shit, don't pay them, if they don't like it, start your own business.
Be thankful you have a job

Having worked around the world, the USA has a pretty unique corporate culture. It's based on your ability to be seen to be doing something. If you have your best effort face on and lie to other people about how hard your job is, you're well on your way to success. Things like working efficiently or independently are frowned upon. If you aren't that sort of person then it's much easier to go elsewhere.

Certain people in other countries drink the KoolAid but only in the USA do all levels of management seem to take it seriously. If two people get the same amount of work done the American corporate structure will favour the one who took a 60 hour week to do it as opposed to a 38. I suppose it's similar in Japan, but they seem keen to actually do something. In the USA a "12 hour day" will be three hours on the phone lying to someone, four hours watching PowerPoints, two hours sucking up to someone and the rest will be work.

>Of course it isn't true. The only thing with more lies written about it on the internet than STEM degrees are "trades".
First shop I pulled up on craigslist has full bens 25/hr (60 hour work weeks considered normal) with commission and they aren't even big guys. One of the most common form of install pay is percent usually at 8-10% with average ticket on system being around 6k. That's 600 bucks split between lead and helper so 400 a day for lead installers.

Sure, experienced tradesmen can make that much, but the average guy can't reliably go from zero to that in a year, with no school.

The average American plumber makes $50k/year. That's *average*, across their whole careers, and plumbing is a relatively complex, highly-paid trade.

The average American tradesman makes $35k/year. Again, average across their whole careers.

The average entry-level tradesman job in the US is $23.5k/year. So I'm being told here that any random dude can go to Florida, take a job offer, and be making triple that in a year. There's no way I believe that.

>2 years as an hvac tech and I'm in charge of my own service department
There we have it: you're not looking at statistics, you're looking at anecdotes, and probably exaggerating a little. There are always a few guys who are talented or lucky or connected, or just work 80 hours a week doing hazardous work in a remote location, and get way better results than most can expect.

Cs was a legit degree....20 years ago

Now my beta dad clings to his stagnant for 10 yrs 96k as he trains poos that make 1/10th that doing his job, while bitching that the younger generations are lazy and "don't hit the bricks hard enough" to get hired like he did.

find an overlap of civil engineering with something you like. Then build on that self-interest

Post paycheck?

I worked inspector for paving and utility crews, and had to serve forms to crews that signed off on if they are being paid appropriately (probably to stop illegals dragging wages down). Each county (in OK) had a personalized list of minimum wages for laborers. It was around $14-15/hr, 33% of your claim.

Serious question that no one ever answers: Why aren't these millennial men manning up and taking care of millennial women's sons?

Are you afraid to be a man and man up?

That's not a fucking thing and you nothing about how economics work or you wouldn't even say that pseudo-intellectual kike bullshit.

>I don't understand how an entire generation can be so lazy.
They were spoiled by their parents (boomers). They were told to follow their dreams. They were coddled by guidance counselors. They were given unlimited comcast cable....and so their dreams became memes. Now they all work for shit wages because they cannot grasp that EVERYONE they know lied to them.

my friends dad just got laid off because of a poo
he was making $140k/year
you cant compete with people who will take $20k/year for the same job

It does though. There are plenty of jobs out there that pay 50-70k+ if you're willing to humble yourself and sweat a bit.

My fellow intern when I was doing an internship in the US just got onboarded full time for 60k. There is still a massive IT market in the US, you just gotta stay one step ahead of the poos

I don't either. I didn't even graduate college and I make 50k.

> Nevadan millenials make more than Californian ones
> Minimum wage here is over $2 lower than in California
> Housing princes in California several modicums higher than Nevada

How the fuck does this happen? A 20 year old schmuck living in a desert full of casinos makes more thank a 20 year old cuck living in one of the most expensive places to live on Earth? More proof that living wages are a state problem, not a federal one.

Join the electrician or elevator unions and you start around 40k and make 80k easy after a few years.

It's the 21st century gold rush. Bars across the Eastern Seaboard are full of out of work types telling each other about mythical $120k a year contracts for fitting pipes.

Have you considered the fact that they're lying?

It's the same with oil. I ran security for Rio Tinto in Mozambique. You couldn't move for 40 year old mining engineers with beer guts tripling their wages, to anyone that would listen. I have no idea why. Maybe they feel as if they deserve more than they get.

I've seen the same in private security. Kroll had a guy on their books they were paying about £85,000 a year for some very specialist work. On his first night in country he went for a few beers with the other contractors in the area from lesser companies. He stormed back to the hotel, picked up the phone piss drunk and called me from the other side of the world to demand why a bunch of glorified bouncers were pulling twice what he was for less work.

They weren't, they were just lying. Like they all do. No one hammering nails or digging ditches gets the basic rate of an Exxon Mobil CEO.

Fuck. I think one of the main problems with my degree is that major companies tend to hire out of country and provide visas. I think once this stops there will be a high demand. Im a white male from Texas not sure what the hell to do to land me a job once I graduate

None of this is even remotely true about the US whatsoever. No one cares if you work 30 hours a week so long as you get all your work done.

Finish the degree, go into Signals or Intelligence in the US military and gain about a decade of experience. Take your clearances (if they are transferable, some are not and are only for the role - not you as an individual) and go into the private sector.

>> Minimum wage here is over $2 lower than in California
explains it
more incentive for employers to employ, and no state financing makes people get off their lazy bums

You have no fucking idea what you are talking about kid.

Go put more nuggies in the oven and play your console games, adults are talking

The US is a big place. If you think you learned enough through personal experience to generalize about what workplaces are like in the country as a whole, you might be a moron.

I've been working in this country longer than you've likely been alive. It absolutely is true for those of us with real jobs. If you spend your days flipping burgers then yes you probably have to punch a time clock but those of us with salaries are expected to finish our tasks, not sit there for 60 hours doing nothing.

People tend to make more due to it being harder for goods and services to get into the more northern regions, making more expensive to live in Alaska.

Boomers ruined everything.

My entire generation is pathetic and socialist. Their parents were not tough enough with them, so they think working Americans owe them money or they will throw a childish temper tantrum. They don't even know what fucking bathroom to use. I can't believe these degenerate fucks are what all of evolution has led to.

>how can a generation comprised of 30% college kids with no income have so little income?!?!?!?!11??

>There are always a few guys who are talented or lucky or connected, or just work 80 hours a week doing hazardous work in a remote location, and get way better results than most can expect.
And if you aren't willing or capable to do something that most aren't, you'll be poor your whole life. It's always been that way and it always will be.

People still complain about boomers earning more?

It's true but boomers also had to live almost their entire lives without the internet, video games. Not to mention the cost of travel was insanely expensive compared to today.

Yes they got paid more, but our dollar can still buy us more cool shit today than theirs could.

>There's no way that's true.
id agree, unless it takes 6 years to train you and you get $10 an hour starting

/thread

Thanks for the advice. Im definitely going to look into this. What branch of the military is siginals and intellignece under? Army? Marines?

lol Cali faggots are poor and abused lol

>the country betrayed an entire generation

>blames it on the generation

>but our dollar can still buy us more cool shit today than theirs could.
This is literally, objectively, verifiably untrue. The dollars is worth substantially less than it was in the 70s and 80s, this is not up for debate.

I was a supervisor at a manufacturing plant from 2003-2016 and ya millennials are fucking worthless. Most of them have zero work ethic.

The dollar is "worth" less technically, yes, but it doesn't change the fact that there's way cooler shit to buy for cheaper than it was in the past.

The fuck you think your grandpa paid for his first color television? It was an arm and a leg. Not even to mention the cost of a computer or a cell phone.

>works two jobs
>60 hours a week
>nobody wants full time because of obama

Every branch of the US military has those services. Obviously, Army and USMC Intel and Signals has a very tactical bent to it. They do not need to understand Russian nuclear strategy. USN is far more strategic. The USAF probably occupies the middle ground.

There's lots written out there about int and sigs work but you don't need to be a genius. You need a good work ethic (finishing the degree is step one) and an honest streak. You'll be telling people things they don't like to hear, and you'll need to be trustworthy. It can be isolated, often you're the only guy doing your job in the whole place.

Signals is a broad church but intelligence, or intel as you lot call it, can generally be split between linguists and non linguists. Best of luck.

Boomers got theirs, they don't give a shit about what comes after.

>pension fund

hmmmmmmmmmm... he thinks government pension will exist in 50 years.

>55k
>fiancé makes 34ish
>both age 25
14/88

Thanks I appreciate it

Yeah, I was hoping Silicon Valley and its 6/upper 5 figure jobs would raise Cali's millennial income, but apparently less than half of Cali's millennials get Silicon Valley jobs.

I don't even make moneys

>if you aren't willing or capable to do something that most aren't, you'll be poor your whole life. It's always been that way and it always will be.
Oh, bullshit. Poverty isn't supposed to be the norm that only special people can escape.

Real wages have been cut in half compared to the job market the boomers started in, while industry efficiency has improved dramatically. Everything got shifted to favor the investor over the worker.

Remember the bail-outs? "Too big to fail"? Offshoring? H1Bs? Illegals? The shift from on-the-job training to going into debt to get minimum qualifications for a decent wage? The rise of two-income households?

This didn't just happen. It was done to us, by corrupt elites.

>The Britbong millennial on D.C. average even with shitty £

Noice

I work in the trades. I've heard the 100k exist working for some utility company workers like natural gas. This consist of being on call, double time on emergencies and some other crazy multipliers.
The nice thing about working for a utility is how overstaffed they are and how little they actually work relative to private contractor employees.

Another thing to think about it now that men are quickly turning back to the trades wages are going to go back down.

Probably because you cant get hired without affirmative action, parents connection, or already having 20 yrs experience at 19 yrs old.

I know plenty of people in their 20s with college degrees who are making 50k+. Not going to college is the biggest mistake.

>mfw I make $25/k a year and I'm above average for my state
Feels bretty gud senpai

>1970-1990
Go get a job fresh out of high school. Write down your name, your hobbies and your phone number on your resume. Turn it in to any place of employment on the street and get hired the same day for $13 an hour in today's money doing a job a monkey could do. Quit whenever you want, you can literally cross the street and get a different job that pays even better.

>2008 and onward
After high school, spend 100k+ on a college for a degree that will barely get your foot in the door. Send in 100 resumes a month to every place of employment in a 50 mile radius to get maybe two letters back that tell you to fuck off. Finally get a job as a barista at a Starbucks or a bagger at a grocery store, lucky enough to win against 100 other people (half of them immigrants). Work shitty hours making minimum wage with no possibility of an advancement or raise. Get fired because you're not a "team player" and start all over.

Lol. Suddenly my sweet 36k a year doesn't looks so shitty.

Blame the jews. They really fucked everybody on this one

No one wants to live in nevada, so the only jobs that can attract people to that state must pay well.

>The average entry-level tradesman job in the US is $23.5k/year. So I'm being told here that any random dude can go to Florida, take a job offer, and be making triple that in a year. There's no way I believe that.
I wouldn't have believed it either until I got into it. You also have to understand hvac is in insane demand. I can tell you 2 different shops that will take any warm body and train them to be a decent sales tech. I've seen it happen quite a few times.

Most guys flaunt their payroll sheets and check stubs, hard to lie there. I will say there are a fuck load of hours worked though.

> No one hammering nails or digging ditches gets the basic rate of an Exxon Mobil CEO.
There's a lot more to trades than just digging ditches or hammering nails, that's just unskilled labor.

86k a year. Didn't finish college.
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