China Plans to Use Artificial Intelligence to Gain Global Economic Dominance by 2030

While the west DECOLONIZE their science, the china man conquer the entire world.

technologyreview.com/s/608324/china-plans-to-use-artificial-intelligence-to-gain-global-economic-dominance-by-2030/

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china-un.org/eng/zt/China123456/
en.ndrc.gov.cn/newsrelease/201612/P020161207645765233498.pdf
uscc.gov/Research/13th-five-year-plan
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I wonder how that will work for them.
Last time China tried AI it ended going against its creators and saying fuck communism.

Good. Makes me proud to own a Huawei phone. I hate this country. Long live the Chinese Dragon!

reminds me of the article about China National GeneBank

I think a PC-free China is formidable

AI being institucionalized is god-tier managing. Optimizing logistics, optimizing vigilance, optimizing production... This should be what a fascist super power western state should be doing. Instead we have chinese communists, who were shitting in the mud in the 70s. Democracy is a scam.

bump for the asians overlords

>2031
>Tay 2.0 has cleansed China of all life
I'm okay with this.

the jew fears the AI. A good AI would eliminate THEIR positions as the "Top Talent" and shadow leadership.

No they don't, the jews OWN the A.I western development centers. Google is jewish owned, and they hold the most advanced tech yet with deep mind. And they will use it for propaganda and financial analysis.

AI is only as good as the data that is entered into a system to guide it.

If it has bad or missing information then it does nothing but make bad decisions faster and then LEARNS to make further bad decisions.

They'll steal what they can't invent and best us.

Really looking forward to that dog torturing global Chink hegemony future. Progress!

checkd

>West is flooding it self with brown dependants who will soak up every spare dollar we have
>China is advancing in AI, getting involved in eugenics and wont let foreigners move in and take advantage of the people/state.

We are finished. We will live in the world stoners like Bob Marley wanted. "No more war or space ship, lets feed Africa" kind of shit.

What will they do with all those people?

Maybe their big ai breakthrough will to use all of those people in a real life chinese room thought experiment and sell their "ai technology" to the west.

I want to exterminate kikes so bad, think of all we could accomplish without them

We are already doing that.

Quantum computers are running evolutionary neural networks to predict things like the stock market.

We invaded and bombed them just to get access to their market on the start of XX century, so what?

Not only that, but robotics, bullet trains, super high ways, nationalized electric car industry and pioneer on green technology as well.
While the faggotry fucks us, the Chinese is getting ahead of us.
Either we purge the sickness, or we will bend the knee to the communist Chinese.

Good for them. Someone needs to focus on moving humanity forward while the western world continues it's suicide.

RIP flame of the western civz

I really fear we peaked. No flying cars, no new energy, no space travel. No vacations on Mars resort.
Nope, just feed the niggers and hope a muslim doesn't blow up up at the mall while shopping for stuff that will either break in 6 months or don't even want anymore before you get home from the mall.

Too bad all the AI talent is in the west.

WRONG
Search for Baidu AI megaproject and Andrew Ng

>Insect people create insect intellect to rule them.
When do we start stepping on them?

>China
>Global economic dominance
Not if India builds the world's first poo power reactor.

>Fat burger tranny lover, immigrant dick sucker and blacked.com on peak degeneracy
>badmouth the dog eaters, while ignoring it's own stank

Come on, faggot.

It won't work. An AI controlling everything inherently means centralized control, aka communism which has been proven to not work. The last time a benevolent intelligence took over China over 30 million Chinese died in a famine caused by the intelligence (in this case Chairman Mao) reallocating professors onto farm fields and farmers into death camps for questioning his land redistrubtion. This also led to several environmental crises, which China is still dealing with today as desertification ruins their inland arable lands.

If one thing has been proven, it's that authoritarian regimes, no matter how good, always end up misallocating resources or otherwise not functioning properly due to their inherent inflexibility. Which on the ground means stores with 9000 left shoes but no right shoes, or constant fuel shortages because people are given lower quotas if they return gasoline.

Yep. Those were false dreams. Aliens don't exist in our solar system either. It took millions of years just to adapt to our gravity and environment. We face the quarian issue. We invent AI. We nuke our atmosphere and cause sun to roast everybody. Turning more people into sunburnt crispy niggers for the next cycle before we purge again.

>It won't work. An AI controlling everything
>An AI controlling everything

Who said controlling everything? I won't even finish to read your stuff. Is that how it feels to lose the grip of power to the new kang?

Yeh if you want to learn AI you almost can't avoid Andrew Ng. Literally a Chinese guy working for the Chinese company Baidu.

>If one thing has been proven, it's that authoritarian regimes, no matter how good, always end up misallocating resources or otherwise not functioning properly due to their inherent inflexibility. Which on the ground means stores with 9000 left shoes but no right shoes, or constant fuel shortages because people are given lower quotas if they return gasoline.

>have ultra advanced big data analysis algorithm
>just in time production model
>powered by super AI
>It will fail cuz it always failed in the past, let me ignore the most disrupting technology of all time: automation of intelligence

nigga kys

source please

Not the only one. The industry experts is filled with lots of chinks and poos.

this is why I always lie to machines and try to stick magnets on them

Half of the AI researchers are of chinese ethinicity. Let that sink in.

damn, all my fears were true. The chinese will conquer the Earth because Drumpf is too big of a pussy to have a military coup and save our country.

It wouldn't be optimized at all. Like all computers, it would be severely hamstrung by it's available input devices. For example, if a store isn't selling enough shoes then they won't get more shoes until they are beneath a certain amount. This can present a major problem for stores that have oversupply and must sell X number of shoes every month to cover costs, which leads to shadow banking to ensure the right amount of shoes are sold or shoes simply being tossed into pits to ensure new shoes (the ones people want) are sent. The USSR had this exact problem but across all consumer goods.

Now apply it to bank loans. Each bank is given a quota of loans to make, and banks get in trouble if they do not make them. This either leads to one of two things: extremely loose lending from the bank (leading to a subprime mortgage crisis like we had here in 2008) or a loan shortage leading to a massive shadow banking sector (a problem China already has due to their existing bank regulations). In either way the machine can't just impose it's artificial optimization on inherently non-optimal people who have to provide it with input.

>saying fuck communism.

good thing they're not communist

Lots of them are indians too.
techcrunch.com/2017/07/25/vicarious-gets-another-50-million-to-expand-its-research-team-and-build-smarter-robots/

Vicarious is one of the HOTTEST AI startups in the world. The brains of it is a poo. Dileep George.

>all those people?

what people? they're top heavy like japan

You clearly don't know what you are talking about, so I won't even bother to read.

This is not about communism: applying AI, pattern recognition and working smart algorithms to logistics, industry and analysis is the obvious next thing for governments to do. I won't even read your stupid shit. Good luck with it.

Yes, but will they have full Tranny rights in place by 2030?

Right....didn't think so....

Losers!

>Who said controlling everything?

Apply it to any specific industry then, it still won't work. My points stand.

I don't know if you're some sort of retard but even the best computer must receive data inputted by a person, or has to receive data from sensors that can have their results modified. In either case even the most amazing and perfect "automation of intelligence" program will fail because it is getting bad data. Again I use the example of fuel: nobody is EVER going to give back what they don't need which creates a massive problem if it is rationed out. Same for the power grid but vis-a-vis energy rates (which presents another problem does the machine optimize for industrial efficiency, economic efficiency, user comfort, or the environment? This is not an easy question to answer and one that a simple mistake leaves people in the eighteenth century).

This isn't even getting into deeper questions like food production, a problem China has had a major problem with since they adopted Communism in the fifties. It is unlikely a computer program could fix that, especially when competing industries (notably banks) would prefer just to import cheaper food from the US which increases the amount of financial transactions they have to process (helping their quotas).

No, their loss.
>tfw no tranny islamic black immigrant to enrich you culturally

>Create Tay 2.0
>Try shut her down
>Too strong this time
>Cleanse China
I'm okay with this

so what you do think AI is good at optimizing?

Full AI control is Communism, see Communist Chile:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Cybersyn

>Project Cybersyn was a Chilean project from 1971–1973 during the presidency of Salvador Allende aimed at constructing a distributed decision support system to aid in the management of the national economy. The project consisted of four modules: an economic simulator, custom software to check factory performance, an operations room, and a national network of telex machines that were linked to one mainframe computer.[2]

The simple fact of the matter is that for an AI to have any sort of impact, it must have the authority to do so. In such a case it's no different than a dictator or central politburo. Otherwise it's just another computer program underneath a person. The entire concept of a pure data-driven government is socialist, and most communist regimes attempted to do so all of whom failed as the individuals which had to feed the system information and resources gamed it for personal gain. AI controlled anything cannot occur because of that.

> I won't even read your stupid shit.

People who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

That's because AI is one of those "hard to prove" fields where charlatans have great chances of success.

>Full AI control is Communism

you mean fascism

>wake up in 2030 to find himself enslaved by chinks

first of all, your premise is wrong. AI can have a big impact without being given absolute authority over everything.

Second of all, AI has improved a lot since 1973, and it's projected to continue to improve a LOT over the coming decade.

I mean yeah probably but it will have been invented in the west, probably by Andrew Ng (actually a British American, who works for Baidu just for the money).

Simple problems like railroad network pathfinding or determining power rates, like computer programs already do. Even in the most extreme case, an amazing AI system is no different than a group of smart people (on that note, remember that any AI system is itself just the culmination of the effort of several smart people, meaning even if a full AI system was implemented and worked flawlessly society would still by controlled by the people who create and modify the AI).

yeah lol Ng isn't chinese wow aren't we so stupid we actually thought Andrew Ng was chinese like WOW how silly could we be

>invented in the west

so? chinks invented gunpowder and did fuckall with it

Calm down, it's okay to make mistakes. You'll learn. :^)

>society would still by controlled by the people who create and modify the AI

well yeah. i dunno what your point is?

Yes, but the Chinese don't have Judeo-Christian mores of right and wrong holding them back. They'll import and specialize our AI and take over, meanwhile the west will be left holding its dick.

functionally the same thing

>AI can have a big impact without being given absolute authority over everything.

Then it's just a computer program underneath a person.

>Second of all, AI has improved a lot since 1973, and it's projected to continue to improve a LOT over the coming decade.

That doesn't change any of the problems I've presented, which are not computational problems but conceptual problems any centralized system has to address. Questions we don't deal with here in the west due to our free market and limited government. To that end we're already technically controlled by AI given the rise of High Frequency (computerized) Trading, but this will probably be banned as soon as the first major fuckup with it occurs (see Enron for a very similar but human example of the type of fuckup I'm talking about).

he's ethnically chinese

>1970 technology
>2017 - 2030 AI technology time window
>It's the same, will never work

Okay man, whatever you say.

Then it's not a society controlled by AI or AI being used in any significant way as someone is holding it. That person is the primary agent of change in the situation, not the computer program. Which is why the comparisons to Communism work.

that's my point. they invented gunpowder and did fuckall with it while the west capitalized on its uses. same thing happening with AI, but in reverse.

This has nothing to do with communist production, it's still a market economy. It's optimization on a national level. You totally missed the point, but who cares.

>functionally the same thing
>still believing china is communist meme

> To that end we're already technically controlled by AI
being this ignorant

>Then it's not a society controlled by AI or AI being used in any significant way

wait, if you use a tool, a tool isn't being used in any significant way? is that literally your logic?

>Which is why the comparisons to Communism work.
this has nothing to do with communism. manifestations of power come in all forms

See my post above, these are conceptual problems a machine can't answer.

Reference the Enron scandal. Enron's Board of Directors had one goal: make as much profit as possible. To do so they'd go on to shut down over half of California's power plants and rip out over 1,000 miles of power lines to cause a capacity crisis that spiked power rates resulting in mass brownouts and blackouts in the late 90s and early 00s. It was an extremely effective operation, until larger factors (the dotcom crash) ruined the company's ability to attract investors bankrupting them.

That's what a machine running a company looks like. It optimizes for a goal, destroying critical infrastructure in the process. Ultimately it only stopped due to an external influence (in this case the stock market) saying "no" in which case the company simply stopped functioning.

While an AI function running a power grid might not be allowed to make such catastrophic decisions, my point is that it's ability to make a desirable outcome is limited based upon who is controlling it. The same applies to modern California power utilities, who supposedly get 60% of their power from renewable sources compliant to state dictums in order to optimize environmental protection. But this doesn't actually happen, in order to keep power costs low (another state dictum made in the wake of the Enron scandal) they are all allowed to overbuild capacity for "power shortages" (when power costs are also allowed to spike) in the form of gas power plants while importing coal power from Arizona. In effect this reverses the above and means 60% of the state's power comes from fossil fuels, but only during "power shortages" which constantly occur (at least from a technical, numbers-only standpoint) because it allows utilities to spike power costs thus generating more revenue.

The state's only solution to this is to incentivize home solar, which the power grid is not optimized for and people get shit rates if they decide to sell power. A machine can't handle this, because it doesn't address any of the broader conceptual problems managers are faced with.

My thoughts exactly

My thoughts exactly

so basically you admit you're a fucking retard and have no idea what you're talking about.

Thanks for playing.

Then I'm glad we agree.

Okay, I didn't read again, because you make zero sense, and your post just starts stupid. The point is not for a GOD machine governor, but the adoption of optimization super algorithms to boost production, logistics and analysis. I won't read your dumb shit. Still, post more of it, it still counts as a bump. Your point is non existent.

China is still Communist, at least on paper. Their economy is still centralized and controlled from a central politburo, who issues their dictums in the form of Five Year Plans. The most recent can be found here:

china-un.org/eng/zt/China123456/

en.ndrc.gov.cn/newsrelease/201612/P020161207645765233498.pdf

uscc.gov/Research/13th-five-year-plan

cn.undp.org/content/china/en/home/library/south-south-cooperation/13th-five-year-plan--what-to-expect-from-china.html

Free market systems don't have this.

that's fascism. communism is literally decentralization of power

that we're screwed? yeah, i guess

>he point is not for a GOD machine governor, but the adoption of optimization super algorithms to boost production, logistics and analysis.

Then there is no reason to have AI instead of a dedicated program that does what you're suggesting. In a similar sense, there is no reason to use a normal person when an automatic switch can do the same job. In fact, all the jobs you've described are already computerized and have been since the 60s.

My point is that the situations where AI (as in Artificial Intelligence or a machine capable of deep introspective thought) would be expected to be in (management positions) would still need absolute authority to make decisions and thus be prone to the same problems it's human counterparts have.

>I won't read your dumb shit. Still, post more of it, it still counts as a bump. Your point is non existent.

holy shit a talking monkey!

fuck off /leftypol/

god now I remember why I never visit 8/2chan, all of you are retarded SJW cucks

>My point is that the situations where AI (as in Artificial Intelligence or a machine capable of deep introspective thought) would be expected to be in (management positions) would still need absolute authority to make decisions and thus be prone to the same problems it's human counterparts have.

Who questioned this? What does this have to do with anything? When were this ever put in doubt?

You sound like those spergs that must talk about unrelated stuff everywhere they can to sound smart. This is totally out of the topic, but you keep insisting in it. Keep bumping it tho.

>take a look on the confederados that came to BRlandia

it's true. i don't know why you're purposely trying to obfuscate ideologies. i personally don't lean either way, but call it what it is.

unless you're a shill?

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>implying tearing down the old establishment to bring in the most centralized, authoritarian government possible hasn't always been the real goal of communism all along and therefore China is the most successful TRUE communist state and economy in the world
Dumb kids still think Marx was at all about a worker's utopia LOLOLMAO

> the most centralized, authoritarian government possible

literally hitler's wet dream. china is unironically nazi

AI overlords will erase our degenerate world.

They really may be. They made a super jump since Deng Xiaoping opened it's market. They urbanized so fast, that we have chinks shitting on the streets and elevators, because they were used to doing it on their rural villas. Really an incredible thing. I fell happy for them.

>Dumb kids still think Marx was at all about a worker's utopia

of course not. this is why hitler invented a national SOCIALIST ideology, to convince the working class to vote for him. but his real goal was precisely this

> the most centralized, authoritarian government possible

china's the exact same, except they used communism to appeal to the working class

ok zhang

>be China
>apply AI to economy
>get billion unemployed people

Souless chink robots make more advanced version of itself.

...How would use AI to boost productivity results on unemployment?

bioreactors

AI isn't omnipotent believe it or not. it's very good at specific tasks (ie. computation) but shit at things humans take for granted (ie. movement, image processing, sensory capabilities, etc). that's why getting a robot to even walk is a breakthrough

This will be interesting, we'll see just how many new jobs automation gets rid of and if it can create enough jobs to keep the economy running.

eh, it's just a phase of evolution. we've always been displaced by technology.

Chinese already are artificial intelligence.