Is capitalism perfectible?

Is capitalism perfectible?

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Capitalism is perfect.

It is perfect when allowed to flourished.

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Ancaps tend to generally be socially retarded and not know how the social part of governance works, hence why that is your answer

No.

You need to realize that there is nothing stopping a secret society of entrepreneurs using propaganda and organized efforts in order to become a shadow government controlling people through subtle changes.

With a government, at least you have some control against that.

Power consolidates power and money consolidates money.

Monopolies found you could just make money endlessly by eliminating competition.

You have to temper Capitalism

No greed will eventually be unsustainable

You'd actually create organized business cartels rather than monopolies.

Those cartels, in the absence of government, would start to create new cultural norms and ways of ethics to possibly become their own ruling class.

Statists tend to be economically and morally retarded, hence you think we need a government.

Only Without Das Juden!

>ancap calling someone else socially retarded

I'm not joking when I say this. Most all ancaps are used to being loner types and are socially incompatible with mainstream society.

Hence they base their philosophy upon this and think everyone can socially amoral and independent.

Nothing is perfect. Capitalism, especially when combined with political freedom, is as perfect as it gets.

One contingency, population must have a high enough average IQ. Also helps to be mostly homogeneous.

Any system of economics and governance goes to shit if population IQ is too low or the people are hopelessly fractured ethnically.

I did not call you socially retarded. Also, you have attacked my character and not my argument and i think that is telling.

Every ancap I've ever met is a sexual deviant or a drug addict trying to shill for a form of government that will let them feed their addiction. It's shameful.

What is there to attack?

Culture, social norms, and basic ethic are 100% subjective, so in an anarchist world people will just form factions based on shared culture, norms, and ethics, and just expand for money, territory, and power by conquering neighboring communities.

Then they'll establish what they call countries.

Win. This.

Wear our flag.

Consider the fact that paying workers less makes goods cheaper which enables more consumption, but because it also results in lower wages it only benefits people who don't work for a living (ie the ruling class) while the lives of workers remain stagnant.

These cost savings for the ruling class enable them to further accumulate wealth, and then they reinvest that wealth into more wealth accumulating assets. This further drives up the prices of assets, which prices workers out of being able to afford asset purchases and thus locks them out of wealth accumulation in advanced economies. The rich get richer, not because they are talented or hard workers, but because they started out with more wealth and used that wealth to make even more wealth.

Capitalism destroys meritocracy. How do you solve this problem without wealth redistribution?

Sorry, I'm not a natsoc either because I'm not a newbie to politics who buys into whatever faction has the best propaganda.

Monarchy is literally the only system that has been proven to work and is the most natural system of order.

not while jews still exist

Let's attack it some more then

Superiourity doesn't mean the same thing as perfection

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Ancaps are the types of kids in school who got good grades without talking to anyone and complain that everyone else got better jobs than them because of nepotism, as if networking is something dirty

Yes. I have some suggestions. We need better defined property rights that make real distinction between "natural goods" (cars and food) and unnatural (insurance and rental agreements) which lend themselves to rent seeking and general kikery.

We need counter cyclic payroll tax cuts during recessions, and to breaking up banking cartels.

We need National Credit Union instead of Central Banking owned by the people and board appointed by the people and it will subject a complete public audit every ten year with the census.

We need to create a new lending structure for worker owned enterprises, guild associations for training, abolition of all public education to be replaced by local training guilds.

Lending incentives for novel firm structures so they can compete with older firms and general automatic cartel breaking mandates to prevent centralization of capital by a few Jewish firms.

Current capitalism lends itself to horrible things like Jewgle because of the IP, odious contracts, incentives for paper speculation rather than real capital investment.

Creating a system to abolish interest on public tender because we shouldn't pay anything to (((private banks))) to use our own national currency and ban on Jewish lending practices aka usury.

Abolish welfare put national job guarantee (military work camps for niggers, Jews, etc..) as buffer stock for surplus labor to replace safety net so that we don't have bad incentives to leech and you have put something back into the nation to get any public benefits.

Once the work camps are in place we abolish the minimum wage as the camp wages are the new minimum and private sector have standard floor which can easily be met by any business that isn't run in Jewish style exploitation.

A National Reciprocal Tariffs on foreign firms so they can use wage and currency arbitrage against domestic production.

If we do these modest Nationalist measures then system benefit everyone rather than just the Jews.

Capitalism is a practice carried out by individuals. It's an art. It's not an ideology nor is it a system of government. If anyone "perfects" it, the good times will only last so long. But that's life.

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....cunt. You can keep your nose in the air likeba Jew if you want. You're not gonna get a King in America, bud. You might be able to get a...uh...Chancellor.

"Haha, I have no understanding of economics and think initiating violence against others is totally moral because it suits my needs, but ancaps are autistic and I don't actually want to argue because I've never actually taken an honest look at the arguments of people who disagree with me and am therefore unable to come up with logical counterarguments. Also I fucking love niggers."

Monarchy has been taking it on the teeth ever since the invention of the corporation. Royals can't even compete.

If you didn't have a baby's grasp of politics, you'd realize there has always been and will always be noble families of some sort competing for the most power in government.

It will be the Masons, the Bilderbergs, the Clintons, the Manuscript Society, the Skull and Bones, the Bush family, Trump family, etc.

Modern presidents are meaningless office titles.

Without one of these noble families always in power permanently, there will always be a very violent competition among them to be the new defacto king. Without a king, you actually have no idea who really rules you nor to hold accountable.

Then how do you explain the "deep state" which is all but admitted to by nearly everyone in America and its government?

>believing morals exist or matter
There's no god to judge you. Who cares about morals.

They're boring, uninspired and materialistic autists who are only able to process one single field of study to base their worldview on. And it's pure ideology at that, I have yet to see one of those morons actually pop out some data and explain with figures and studies why their opinions are even remotely viable and desirable for a society

oh well of course modern businessmen already use propaganda to change culture, but with literally no laws, they could do it at a scale never imagined.

Implying that is not current practice.

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the average libertarian

No it is a dynamic system

>victorian england was perfect
>people are not driver by greed
>capitalism is perfect

enjoy your twopenny hangovers goy

Implying you know Any let alone all who identify as AnCap...

Also it is worth noting that Jews are literally on the money because they do this.

They understand that all that matters in politics are noble families, not actual party politics.

Way back when, the Jews were in basic mafia-tier organized crime, but kept aspiring to be upper class families. They succeeded and now are the modern aristocrats.

If Natsocs had any sense, they'd be aspiring to become noble families by joining an organization or forming one behind closed doors while acquiring social and material capital. Anything else is a meme.

You argue against capitalism. Your arguments have no basis in economics. If you are going to abandon morals as a basis for argument, your beliefs are totally pointless.

Morals have no basis in economics you autistic fuck, and the entire basis for YOUR argument rests on morals. I'm saying I don't give a fuck about morals, so you need something else to convince me capitalism is good.

Ok faggot, are you such a autist you believe we're gonna have a Monarchy in America? the best bet is a National Socialist system, in which the "Nation" is a Christian one, all non-Christians exiled, and a Supreme Chancellor based on Christianity.

You talk like a fucking idiot, ramblimg obvious shit with no real solution. You let my first comment go to your head, i was just glad you saved me some typing.

Very good points.

No, but socialism is fallable.

capitalism is a tool that worked during the late industrial era but doesn't work very well now. Unfortunately many people with autism don't realize that things change as the socio-technical environment changes and you can't just spam one meme for eternity and think it will always work. Some people go too far the other way and think we should give all our gibs to niggers and mentally ill trannies. These people are also wrong. The solution lies somewhere in between, probably with national socialism.

Are you such a worthless larper than you think dressing in polos and burning tiki torches will establish a nationwide revolution in favor of National Socialism? Let's not even take into account that revolutions only ever happen when most all people can't get the basic necessities of life like food or employment.


I've already stated my solution. With no king, there are just noble families competing for dominance. Better yourself and join a noble family like the Masons or even make one. You will never be able to accomplish anything otherwise because any man not in an organized 'tribe' like Masonry or a fraternity is just an opinionated trash can.

>lobertarians and actually believe this

>>people are not driver by greed

that's great that you can figure THAT part out, but what about the other emotions that inspire us to succeed at capitalism? Compassion and desire to help the community? doesn't exist? How about the family, or do we all just spend our old age binge drinking and plowing hookers? What about innovation and legacy building like Elon Musk?

You clearly can't fucking read you nigger. Anyway, capitalism creates the most stable economic system possible.
Inb4 "muh great depression" The Great Depression and every other panic on record was caused by state intervention in the form of credit expansion and an increase in the money supply. I suggest you actually do research into history and economics.

>nobody else has my very special viewpoint

K bud. It's not even that uncommon of a belief system. If you were better at organizing you might accomplish something.

that system is about to end. Society is changing too fast for something like a family to keep up with it. Only people who can predict the effects of new technology on the collective consciousness will succeed . It's a great time for new people to rise to power.

Who said anything about no laws? Anarcho-capitalism has anarchy in the name but from what I have read it is anything but. It is essentially a Republic minus the threat of force used by the state. The use of force would be deployed by the courts who are essentially in a state of perpetual competition to carry out their duties in the most peacefull and proficient means necessary.

>Compassion and desire to help the community?

Only happens when if feeds the self intrest

Have a family + still plow hookers cause if not you send your wife back to the slums.
Cause you are a abstenty land lord

Capitalism is only possible BECAUSE of state intervention, you retard. You need a state to enforce property rights, contracts, and your precious NAP. Places like Nazi Germany and the USSR are what happens when the state can no longer support capitalism. State intervention in the market place is as capitalist as it gets.

bullshit. The economy is only stable when the price of unskilled or semi-skilled labor is high. Automation, immigration, and outsourcing has fucked that permanently. We will never have a truly good economy in a capitalist system ever again.

>Society is changing too fast for something like a family to keep up with it.

Families don't just pop out of nowhere.

Skull and Bones is based at Harvart.

The Manuscript Society (Anderson Cooper having been a member) is at Yale.

The people in these groups are very smart.

>accuses me of larping
>immediately ties me to Charlottesville

It's a shame really. You're another psuedo-intellectual who probably does theater.

And I'm not sure if you're so retarded that you think Masons aren't ZOG, or if its just an analogy to you. Either way, your advice is to marry rich and maybe in 100 years of passing family secrets, we can overcome the ZOG.

You are a fucking moron. It's a shame.

(((Social part of governance)))

We don't believe in organizing. We are individualists.

Are you suggesting that everyone, deep down, is a nihilist sociopath?

If you knew even your own basic Natsoc trivia facts beyond having only watched The Greatest Story Never Told and skimming Mein Kampf, you'd know that the Nazi Party was originally a secret society, AKA an attempt at being a noble family.

By making voluntary transactions, you are both serving self interest and helping others. Both sides gain when a transaction is voluntary necessarily.
"You need your property rights violated in order to have your property rights go unviolated."

I am proposing that everyone is motivated by self interest and preservation.

Your post is indeciferable, try again.

I assume you also are against college fraternities because it's dumb to "buy friends" or some bullshit.

There is a social aspect to everything, including even your own career. I'll let you find that out on your own.

Oh yeah? Because that really fucking matters. It was a group of veterans who had secret meetings to overcome the current Weimar government.

Way to overcomplicate that Sherlock

It really is a shame you're illiterate.

These elites have been brought up in a specific way, one designed to help them gain power, which is rapidly becoming obsolete. Memetics are the future of political power and they definitely aren't the type of people you'd find making memes.

>Oh yeah? Because that really fucking matters.
Yeah it does.

Oh but I just know you arguing on youtube comment sections or reposting links to Murdoch Murdoch will create a National Socialist revolution in the US!

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>You need to realize that there is nothing stopping a secret society of entrepreneurs using propaganda and organized efforts in order to become a shadow government controlling people through subtle changes.
>With a government, at least you have some control against that

So you need a government to stop people making governments because that would be bad.

Do you realize how retarded that logic is?

Lol, ok...If that makes you feel better about yourself.

AI to be the devs and admins of our economics and govt. Solved.

Somehow I find that more discomforting than what we face now.

Look at you faggot. The only arguement you repeat over and over is assuming my depth of knowledge on the concept of National Socialism. You're like a fucking retarded animal.

Your plan is to get a King in America. How fucking juvenile and implausible, it doesnt fucking matter whether it would be good or bad, just reflect on the fact that you unironically believe that to be the only option.

You are a fucking autist. Nice arguement last post btw.

you need a monopoly on power in order to prevent new attempts at smaller monopolies in power trying to break away from your authority.

Realpolitik and fraternal orders will literally never grow obsolete. These are the founding principles of human civilization.

>Your plan is to get a King in America.
My plan is to join the race to the top that actually matters, being to join some type of order or fraternal organization in order to network and actually get real power of some sort.

Your plan is to spend most of your time posting memes and playing "redpilled" video games

The perfect is the enemy of the good. Nothing is perfectible. Fuck perfection. Capitalism is workable. Or something close too it. I think it works fantastic when you don't have the monopoly situation happening. One caveat. You have to go against the "purity" of the "ism" to avoid it. This creates a moral crisis in most fags.

As long as individuals are free to value goods and services according to their own judgment there will be those who see the valuations of others as criminally unfair.

Better start by converting to Judaism.

Masons are a cult-sect of Christianity, not Judaism.

If its a bad thing to have a monopoly of power like you are suggesting then the first step would not be to create a monopoly of power. Either monopoly's are good in which case government is good. Or monopoly's are bad in which case we don't need a government

Again. Stupid, childish ad hominem because I hit a nerve somewhere up there. You are a fucking faggot.

You cannot tuck your dick between your legs now. You said Monarchy was the only option. Now that I've spelled out how fucking stupid that sounds, you wanna backtrack. Kill yourself. Youre an embarassment.

I didn't suggest a monopoly of government was bad.

Monopolies of power ensure a lack of civil strife among factions. You need that monopoly of deadly force to prevent having 15 factions with deadly force trying to rule the same territory and having constant warfare.

DISTRIBUTISM

You are such a fucking moron.

>Again. Stupid, childish ad hominem because I hit a nerve somewhere up there. You are a fucking faggot.
No, I just genuinely think you're really dumb and not really capable of a good conversation.

>You said Monarchy was the only option.
You said to wear your dumb flag, and I said the ideal of government was monarchy.

Then I explained the only realistic approach to practicing it, being to join a fraternal order and become part of some noble family vying for power in the absence of a monarch.

This is why I think you're dumb lmao. When was the last time you read a book? English class in high school?

FPBP

I would love to beat the shit out of a snobby little dweeb like you. Fuck.

I would bet actual cash money you can't even bench press your body weight without using your sternum as a trampoline and giving your spotter an arm workout.

There's even a good chance you've never actually sparred or trained to fight.

You're a larper who can't even live up to his own political ideals of ideal masculinity lmao

>Has a don't tread in me flag,
>Pissed off in a capitalism thread...

Pick one faggot

>look at this quote of some guy

context? Was he a mason?

only in post-scarcity

Or you could stop being Immoral and trying to rule over people you know using ethics and stuff, just a suggestion. Perhaps using self defense as a measure to deter smaller monopolies would be a way to live in freedom

More feasible then kumbayism I'm sorry communism.

LOL you're going to be the top goy for sure.

>Or you could stop being Immoral and trying to rule over people you know using ethics and stuff, just a suggestion
I wish, but that's literally impossible.

I highly recommend The Prince as an intro to Realpolitik. As a leader, nothing of which you do can actually be true at face value. Politics is a chess game and there exists literally no morality between you and people who aren't in your in-group.

Its impossible because everyone has the same fucking mindset as you. You all want a government or power so people like me will be put in cells for defending ourselves. And when we complain and offer a better way you assume its utopian.

Think about it like this.

Imagine the quickest way to your ideal vision is doing a really REALLY bad act.

Your enemies are bad people in your eyes. Awful people. Their ideal vision they want to achieve is amazingly evil compared to your ideal vision.

If you do not do that vile act, whatever it is, to get your ideal vision of good, your enemy will do it to achieve his ideal vision of bad. You may have your honor, but now he rules over you and all there is is his legacy.

When it comes to actual politics, the easiest way to sum it up is morality can only exist in the end goal of your actions. All actions getting to that end goal (if it is good) can be justified. In other words, the end justifies the means.

You're mistaken, you're not my enemy you are just immoral