This is a thread for the discussion of all ideologies that promote self-ownership, individual liberty and the natural order. These include (but are not limited to) anarcho-capitalism, paleolibertarianism, minarchy, objectivism and anti-leftism (i.e. physical removal, so to speak). All others are welcome to learn and debate us.
Reminder that this is a right-wing thread, so libertine degenerates ('live and let live' faggotry), open-border advocates and faux-libertarians (e.g. Gary Johnson) are not welcome here - people here recognise that property rights imply discrimination and a return to traditional, conservative values.
Although questions are welcome, many are repeated often, so it is recommended you research the basics first. Nobody here is obligated to debate with you, so try to avoid using fallacies in your arguments or creating unrealistic scenarios.
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RECOMMENDED MATERIAL:
>The Machinery Of Freedom: Illustrated Summary (David Friedman) - youtube.com
>Anatomy of the State (Murray Rothbard) - mises.org
>For a New Liberty (Murray Rothbard) - mises.org
>Democracy: The God that Failed (Hans Hermann-Hoppe) - riosmauricio.com
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>hoppewave | Hans-Hermann Hoppe | physical removal - youtube.com/watch?v=LP41IK91_qA
>Against the State - (Hoppewave Hans Hermann Hoppe) - youtube.com/watch?v=HLaqr3QorCw
>I need a Pinochet! - youtube.com/watch?v=zhrYY3ocQ5o
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>Open Borders Are an Assault on Private Property | Lew Rockwell
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Thanks pal
Are you cunts ready to rally & protest in yellow shirts to show the world that when left & right wing authoritarians fight there's always a reasonable third option - freedom?
I for one will be organizing sausage sizzles with Libertarians smack bang in the middle of protests and fights here in Aus, freedom flags will abound and the news will have no choice but give us free publicity.
Also have you cunts seen what the Brazilians have accomplished? We have to imitate their enthusiasm & do away with this purity infighting.
If you had the opportunity to hand out books & pamphlet quotes to normies, what would you give them that you think would be persuasive but not boring?
I think I'd go for The Law by Bastiat, a comic version of The Road to Serfdom, maybe Atlas Shrugged (since it had a huge impact on normies back in the day) & some quotes by Hayek, Mises, Bastiat, Rand & of course heaps of Ron Paul material.
I'm thinking of creating a Red Pill box filled with this material + some A-grade memes to distrubute to the public maybe even a USB stick with the best youtube videos around.
I'd rally with you dudes, I'd be down with sausage sizzles or whatever. But I'm still gonna shit talk cuckbertarians and cosmopolitan freaks.
c'mon man, everyone should read Anatomy of the State first. It's a quick and easy read for even the most basic bitches.
fuck man, you could probably print tons of copies of Anatomy of the State for pretty cheap, Its only 60 pages.
I agree, anatomy of the state is *such* a useful tool - it absolutely demolishes common ideology and quickly reveals the true nature of the state, which is of course undefendable.
60 pages? I don't remember it being that short, thanks I'll chuck it.
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Okay, I think this may be relevant as a side note.
/leftypol/ recently launched a campaign about so-called "AdNauseam" and posts here extensively.
While that mere fact is already a warning sign, there's a bit more to it, and the seemingly good idea is NOT what it seems. So I think it won't hurt to take a little red pill in case if you come across it another time.
I'm giving a quick rundown next.
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Don't fall for the AdNauseam meme. It's a dud, and it's a Trojan horse. If you already used it, you wasted your time: Google doesn't lose a cent. Yes, Google refunds money. But none of that money comes from Google's own pocket. It's the money paid by advertisers in advance: part of it is simply returned for fake traffic, most of which is ditched early on and comes from competitors attacking each other. Now, who takes the hit? Small site owners whose ads you're targeting. Google loves punishing them for "bad traffic", when some asshole simply click-spammed them. On the other hand, Google turns a blind eye on big kike sites like major news outlets.
Don't underestimate the ad industry kikes. They'll just come up with more sophisticated, sly and Jewish kinds of ads that will fuck up your internet space even more. Google won't suffer, big kike sites won't suffer, but small NEET-owned sites will. Don't be an ass, let the little guy earn his cent. All ads are geared towards normies anyway, not you.
AdNauseam claims that its goal is to protect you from surveillance. That's a totally false premise and a lie. There's nothing easier than to stop getting tracked: all tracking is done through cookies and associated accounts. Just don't stay logged in to your Google account and use Private/Incognito mode. Or use cookie cleaners. As simple as that, you're not tracked anymore. The real goal of AdNauseam is to push its agenda. And it pretty much exposes you too.
The creators of AdNauseam are literally SJW Marxist Jewish homos and trannies, this is not an exaggeration. You're basically taking part in kike wars and serving as a voluntary promoter of a yet unannounced product. It's their 4D chess. Now, what happens when AdNauseam clicks on ads for you? Your IP address, the whole information about your location is passed down there. You're not only not saved from surveillance, you're being surveilled on repeat. Do your math.
Here's the "woman" behind AdNauseam, Helen Nissenbaum
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The Marxist Jews are the masters of subversion. They know best how to infiltrate the discourse and twist it for their own good. One of their common techniques is called "false equivalence". The trick is to substitute a minor, mundane issue for a major one and eventually take the attention away from really important things. So called "ad surveillance" is one of the examples. Yeah, it's kinda nasty, but no more than dog poo in the street. It's basically cookie tracking which can be disabled with one click. Only tech-illiterate normies who buy shit online are affected by it. Can I easily disable government surveillance? The effects of mass migration, affirmative action, anti-hate speech regulations? The Marxist Jews don't want people to talk about it, they want everybody to focus on their ad poos. This is not even helping the cause. Instead of promoting alternatives to Google services and Youtube, damaging Google's reputation in the eyes of normies, they make people vent out in a safe outlet, which may actually benefit Google in the first place.
Big advertisers have been waging click wars on each other for YEARS. Reports of mass click fraud date back to 2015, 2013, 2011.. And they use much more sophisticated methods than just blatantly sending 100 clicks an hour from your home IP. Over 50% of web traffic is bot traffic at this point. Do you think Google's quantitative analysts are dumb? That they don't have early filters in place? If anything, it's Google's competitors that will suffer from click fraud first.
So, what's the REAL goal of these Jews?
- To give Google an edge over competitors because the latter can't handle click fraud effectively and lack good quants
- To sell data to Google for their new adblocker
- To suppress smaller scapegoat websites in favor of (((big))) ones
- To push the discourse sideways, in a safe direction
- To expose the IP addresses of people with questionable political views
We can only guess.
What are some good books on libertarian ideology ?
The Libertarian Reader - Classic and contemporary writings from Lao Tzu to Milton Friedman by David Boaz, kind of outlines 3/4 of the main bulk of literature so it's a pretty good start actually.
I would try and pick that up so you have a reading list and go wherever your curiosity takes you but small books are good; The Law & Anatomy of the State anything that you can dabble in without having to commit to 400 pages of deep thought. Hoppe has some good small books too.
Also there's PDFs available for free for most of the classics so you don't have to pirate or buy them.
>I'm thinking of creating a Red Pill box filled with this material + some A-grade memes to distrubute to the public maybe even a USB stick with the best youtube videos around.
Great idea, user. I wish you all the best.
I have a question for you guys!
I am really interested in libertarianism/ancap ideology but i just cannot figure out how the NAP and basic property rights can solve all political problems.
I mean, there are plenty of political issues where the NAP cannot be applied with viable consequences. If everything can be privatized, so can be nature, so can be national park, so can be any places with historical values etc...
Don't you think there still need public places where people can go and move freely.
Traditionnal values are one of the core belief of /lrg/ but so is the preservation of Nature/History. How do you think this can be achieved through private property rights ?
>Alt-Right vs. Socialist Left: What It Means for Liberty | Jeff Deist
Can you resize this? No reason for it to be THAT big
Cheers, I'm in two minds whether to hand them out at rallies or try to make it go viral by spending a night with a bunch of people and dumping them around in public for people to find.
Pic related, everything stems from Life, Liberty & Property. The ability to apply our faculties to the world around us for survival & to lead a fulfilling life.
To go against those 3 you get the big bads; theft, assault, rape, murder & slavery.
It's a framework from which you can have your subjective values within them and still live peacefully with strangers. You'll still have "public land" ie like shopping centers etc, so if a shop builds a road to that shop they'd handle the street and what not to allow people to get there same with a lot of businesses & mining towns whatever it may be. Many other alternatives & a lot of nuance but you probably get the point. Try and find the talk with Jeffrey Tucker he mentions these train stations & shops that have been fully privatized where they had to even have private police and it worked out incredibly well. There's private towns all over the world though, exciting times.
Classical liberal/libertarian race realist here. Have read almost every suggestion seen in these posts.
Would like to add that going all the way to anarchy and complete private property is probably not realistic or advisable at this stage. For a high IQ population that is ethnically homogeneous in the future, perhaps, but for now we should stick to a constitutional construction, something that explicitly defines a racial State with controlled borders.
Not a problem having national parks, public fire and police services and roadworks, etc, when the nation is ethnically homogeneous and has a relatively high mean average IQ.
Perhaps the greatest strength of mobilizing under the liberty banner under a constitutional system is that it is familiar and has been successful in the past. We just need to correct the false notions of multiculturalism and open borders while asserting all the traditional liberties we have lost- including freedom of speech and freedom of association.
Also, the classical liberals who founded America were very clear on violence. Within a system of liberty voluntaryism is foundational. No violence. Once tyranny sets in violence and revolution are not just moral but prescribed.
We must return to a proper order of things- a racial nation with controlled borders and FREEDOM.
please do this
the more people that realise that the government is completely unnecessary, the better.
> we should stick to a constitutional construction, something that explicitly defines a racial State with controlled borders.
> Perhaps the greatest strength of mobilizing under the liberty banner under a constitutional system is that it is familiar and has been successful in the past.
How about you fuck off and use your own banners, Kekistani flags, Nazi flags, the American flag whatever. Alt-right & Libertarians can fight Marxists together you aren't going to co-opt our movement with your bullshit. Unfortunately there is no we and Fascists aren't "one of us". Freedom or slavery not a combination of both friend.
Thank you I'll start there
I pirate movies and tv because fuck supporting (((them))) but I like to buy my literature and expand my book shelf
Have you got any ideas of essentials you'd include?
When the next Australian federal election comes around look out for my boxes.
Anyone got a good image to put on top? Something eye catching.
How Brazil's Libertarian Movement helped bring down a president:
> youtube.com
What I find fascinating about Brazil's ongoing revolution is just their enthusiasm and energy, their willingness to welcome anyone and everyone without extreme infighting for purity. These guys even hunt on social media and when they see comments that are Libertarian leaning they'll reach out to the person to tell them they're not alone and there's a movement for what they believe, helping guide people one by one to Libertarian ideas.
The cultural aspect is brilliant too, like how in South Korea there's a huge culture of street food, which is illegal but it's so ingrained the police don't enforce it. We need that in the west.
I'm down with the racial state, national unity is good for us.
Racial realism isn't "their bullshit" I think you ought to research our founding fathers opinions on race, they weren't "racist kooks" they understood that ethnic egalitarianism is a farce.
I may even subjectively agree one day about trends & racial problems, but collectivism isn't Libertarianism there is no "we" there.
Making compromises and losing sight of the goal is how a movement dies. I'm very much on rothbard's side on this - libertarians should be abolitionists, and well we of course (if the opportunity arises) wouldn't reject a classical liberal minarchy like you seem to suggest, the ultimate goal should be abolition of the state. Being a right-opportunist, in marxist terms, isn't helpful.
wew lad, I have had this debate so much. voluntarily choosing to associate with a homogeneous racial community is in no way a form of agression. I don't care about being atomized and rugged individualism. I want choice.
May I fucking also say it loud and clear; RACE REALISM DOESN'T BELONG TO FASCISM OR NATIONAL SOCIALISM.
>I should be able to CHOOSE to abandon my responsibilities to my race and society
Your "freedom" is a bad lie.
For sure, freedom protects subjective preferences that's my point but I won't agree with a collectivist total state to enforce my subjective preferences. He's talking about a government that creates & maintains racial homgeny, heavily controlls borders etc as a message we should be rallying around. They can fuck off with their Nazi flags and preech that shit.
Subjective preference vs objective reality of the state & individualism vs collectivism.
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Friedman is the number one way to enlighten normies. Start with Friedman and Hayek to build a base, then move on to Bastiat, Mises and finally Rothbard.
I think some Friedman videos would be good, not sure what his most accessible books are they're like some of the first I read I can't really remember the short explosives ones if he had any. He's got some great quotes though.
>Friedman
>Friedman was born in Brooklyn, New York on July 31, 1912. His parents, Sára Ethel (née Landau) and Jenő Saul Friedman,[25] were Jewish immigrants from Beregszász in Carpathian Ruthenia, Kingdom of Hungary (now Berehove in Ukraine).
>Mises
>Ludwig von Mises was born to Jewish parents in the city of Lemberg, in Galicia, Austria-Hungary (now Lviv, Ukraine).
>Rothbard
>Murray Rothbard's parents were David and Rae Rothbard, Jewish immigrants to the U.S. from Poland and Russia, respectively.
Rothbard is an honorary white desu
Mises and Friedman can also be pretty jewish but their economics are good.
Hayek & Bastiat aren't jews, what's your point?
A member of the human race who is completely incapable of understanding the higher productivity of labor performed under a division of labor based on private property is not properly speaking a person… but falls instead into the same moral category as an animal – of either the harmless sort (to be domesticated and employed as a producer or consumer good, or to be enjoyed as a “free good”) or the wild and dangerous one (to be fought as a pest). On the other hand, there are members of the human species who are capable of understanding the [value of the division of labor] but...who knowingly act wrongly… [B]esides having to be tamed or even physically defeated [they] must also be punished… to make them understand the nature of their wrongdoings and hopefully teach them a lesson for the future.
Economics without sociopolitics is just a discussion about how best to destroy/sell our societies.
>JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS
That doesn't work here.
Families, authority, communities, and social ranks are the empirical-sociological concretization of the abstract philosophical-praxeological categories and concepts of property, production, exchange, and contract. Property and property relations do not exist apart from families and kinship relations.
Private property capitalism and egalitarian multiculturalism are as unlikely a combination as socialism and cultural conservatism. And in trying to combine what cannot be combined, much of the modern libertarian movement actually contributed to the further erosion of private property rights (just as much of contemporary conservatism contributed to the erosion of families and traditional morals). What the countercultural libertarians failed to recognize, and what true libertarians cannot emphasize enough, is that the restoration of private property rights and laissez-faire economics implies a sharp and drastic increase in social “discrimination” and will swiftly eliminate most if not all of the multicultural-egalitarian life style experiments so close to the heart of left libertarians. In other words, libertarians must be radical and uncompromising conservatives.
Egalitarianism, in every form and shape, is incompatible with the idea of private property. Private property implies exclusivity, inequality, and difference. And cultural relativism is incompatible with the fundamental----indeed foundational----fact of families and intergenerational kinship relations. Families and kinship relations imply cultural absolutism.
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>yfw Rothbard sympathized with holocaust revisionists
Hell, he probably was one, I don't know.
>mfw when Marx also said """antisemitic""" things
Stop falling for it desu
Maybe instead of using ad hominems we should attack ideas, amirite?
Does he imagine AnCaps would be the ones to punish anybody?
Or will there be some """transitional government""" that'll handle it?
That's no fun.
As soon as I attack the ideas, libs always turn into crickets.
Libertarianism is too materialist. It's insufficient as an ideology because it prescribes virtue based on material utility.
I get the appeal but it leaves far too much to be desired. The other problem is if you have fully embraced the material alone, and thus refuse this insufficiency, you then must confront the inherently metaphysical adherence to "natural rights" at the basis of such an otherwise substantive philosophy.
Yes, a transitional government would be needed. This government would necessarily be fascist.
The fascist motto, is "Me Ne Frego", i don't care. the full lyric is "me ne frego di morire per la santa libertà!" i don't care if i die for sacred liberty. it's from a poem mussolini liked.
>they bring everyone else down with them
That's not self-destructive, that's furthering their interests.
jewish capitalists and jewish communists are the same.
Using two different methods to subjugate the goyim; open destruction and (((reconstruction))) of the society, and covert purchasing of the society.
What are the most outreagous evidence & facts I can give people that will shock them about how the state really works? Even if its proven conspiracy stuff that might help.
I've got some in mind for my country but in general & internationally would be good.
This is not true. Libertarian morality is not founded upon virtue ethics, we judge the morality of action through deontology or consequentialism.
That it's immoral to confiscate wealth through an arbitrary power does not assign virtue to people who earn wealth, in fact your wealth is meaningless unless you can use it in ways that benefit other people.
>jewish capitalists and jewish communists are the same.
I don't even have to explain why that's nonsense.
A transitional government, using authoritarian powers, will bring about the necessary changes in society that'll enable the government to surrender power and dissolve itself.
Where have we heard this plan before?
Mussolini didn't believe in individualist freedom. The fascist concept of liberty is different to libs.
You can't. Because it isn't.
>your wealth is meaningless unless you can use it in ways that benefit other people
It's a shame your worship of private property rights prevents you from enforcing that morality in any way whatsoever.
if you're not a communist, criminal, or degenerate, you have nothing to fear from a fascist regime. fascism is an absolute guarantee of the individual's right to his private property and thus his liberty. once all opponents to liberty are physically removed, a fascist regime has no authoritative basis and will deflate into a libertarian monarchy, which, as hoppe argues, is objectively better than democracy
Im arguing more for my right to associate in an all white, conservative, capitalist community.
There is one thing stopping me from going full libertarian, how do you protect the environment from getting fucked over. There's bound to be people who can still become powerful enough to basically destroy national parks while not being intelligent enough to realize why those places are worth protecting.
By adding "capitalist", you're arguing for the right to sell society off to foreign interests who will disallow the existence of that community, which is exactly the reason you're having to argue for it in the first place; normally it would be undisputed.
Why would a working class person be a libertarian?
>fascism is an absolute guarantee of the individual's right to his private property
Personal property.
"He" doesn't have liberty, he is free by virtue of his nation having liberty.
>once all opponents to liberty are physically removed, a fascist regime has no authoritative basis
That is laughably delusional. If the fascist regime is all that could root out the enemy, it's all that could prevent it from infiltrating again.
"Libertarian monarchy" is Hoppe struggling to rationalize how his abstract, idealistic principles are inconsequential next to the question of the concrete, practical organization of society.
>Personal property.
private property includes personal property and real property. fascism protects private property, it does not collectivize any form of property.
>"He" doesn't have liberty, he is free by virtue of his nation having liberty.
liberty is what naturally arises when a person is left alone. as social animals we are constantly having our liberty infringed upon by others to some degree. where do you draw the line where a person is absolutely free?
>all that could prevent it from infiltrating again.
many libertarian philosophers have explained how private law enforcement would work. every private security firm that wants business would be in the business of physical removal, so to speak.
Explain this to me
>my coworker gets a cranial implant that grants him perfect memory
>gets promoted
>anyone who wants promotions needs to get a cranial implant
>anyone who doesn't get the implant is living in a cardboard box on the street in 5 years, everyone who gets them is running fortune 500 companies
This is a situation in which you are being economically forced to surrender your humanity in order to survive in the modern world
Free market capitalism gives people the ultimate incentive, to get rich by serving others its the only system to turn greed to productive use.
Good point, just as atheism isn't a religion Liberty doesn't asign value beyond subjectivity.
mises.org
In short, recognise it as an act of aggression and handle it as such.
Because they recognise wealth can only be increased by the production of infrastructure and capital, and that a fortori government makes us all poorer in the long run.
Just look at the history of privately owned nature vs state owned.
Private sandalwood forests vs state owned forests, one is grown, protected & sustainably regrown to increase the value and future yielf, the other logged with no regard.
Look at Scottish salmon stream privatization, legalizing farmers in Africa for game hunting saved endangered species & reduced poaching vs when the state bans it and the animals go extinct through illegal poaching and no incentive to protect them.
Don't even need to give you the logical argument behind it because history is crystal clear about property vs the commons, private for profit vs the state for re-election.
>Forced
False, violence wasn't used once.
Stop using that flag if you're just shilling for libs.
Fascism collectivizes every form of property. That doesn't mean it refuses to recognize people's possessions and tries to redistribute everything like communists.
I said personal property because the "private" property you're talking about is in the capitalist sense; a person exclusively owning something, in their own right, as an individual, separate from the public.
This does not exist in fascism. It doesn't even exist in democracies, really. Only an illusion of it.
>liberty is what naturally arises when a person is left alone
Living within a society is the opposite of being left alone.
>where do you draw the line where a person is absolutely free?
When they aren't participating in a society, or rather when they aren't subject to the influence of any society's actions.
>every private security firm that wants business would be in the business of physical removal
It's too bad their clients will pay more for the physical removal of competitors that are immediately affecting their financial security than for communists that aren't immediately affecting their financial security.
Is this how all those libertarian philosophers explain how it would work?
Or was it more like
>Firms that aren't moral will lose business
>for some reason
>don't ask me what that reason is
So their incomes can natural rise, standard of living increase, cost of living decrease, access to new & better goods and services increase, have their rights as an individual live their life how they see fit protected, small business & working class having power back off of the state created & maintained corporations/monopolies, the question is who the fuck wouldn't? A poor person who would have more opportunities and will be looked after better? Nah only the lazy ,the rent seekers, the leeches & the evil fear freedom.
If you're wandering the savannah and it rains, you will be forced to build a shelter. If you're hungry, you will be forced to fashion a spear and go on the hunt.
Economic circumstances force you to do things all the time
Farfetched fantasy.
You don't need a cranial implant to have a small business, be self-employed, be a busker on the street or setup street food, or a lemonade stand, or a like minded any transhuman community, to enjoy nature & natural preferences.
Friendly reminder that lolbertarian ethics created the socjus entitlement we see today, the system doesn't work without the sociological power of a pervasive force like Christianity
Hoppeans aren't real libertarians. You have people like Chris Cantwell (or whatever his name is) in your community who have been caught associating with white nationalists, using violence against innocent people and threatening further violence.
>Farfetched fantasy.
No it isn't, this is literally the future.
Imagine the olympics, where every single athlete is pumping themselves full of steroids. If you're the one athlete who isn't, you won't make the cut. Similar story, if you're the one guy who doesn't go for the gene therapies and cranial implants, you're going to be in the poorhouse
> forced to plant a veggie garden
> equates to needing a cranial implant or living in a box
mate, that's just fantasy. You should make a movie not base it on voting habits.
I gave you counter examples, to assume every human would need a cranial implant just to survive is absurd.
>to get rich by serving others
That's not how you get rich in free market capitalism.
And the ultimate incentive is survival.
>its the only system to turn greed to productive use
It turns greed to destructive use. You cannot have it be productive with capitalism, as capitalism mandates there is nothing to be productive TOWARDS. The economy, and thus the society, is shattered into a million pieces which are divided into the hands of a million capitalists each with their own interests (none of which involves your safety or prosperity)
It makes you more economically productive, of course you would need it.
In the future, if you don't choose to have a designer baby, your children will be absolutely fucked
>Fascism collectivizes every form of property.
where do you pull this shit from? mussolini didn't do this, franco didn't do this, pinochet didn't do this.
yeah i get that you're a marxist by your use of "personal property". what you fail to understand is private property is a very real thing and it is the basis of civilization. without it we are cave men. because marxists can't understand this fact is why libertarians and fascists are agreed in your necessary physical removal from society.
>Is this how all those libertarian philosophers explain how it would work?
i am not going to spoonfeed you like a child. you can search the internet yourself, or find any number of books on the subject.
Yeah I definitely feel your post. These retards need their hands held for every bit of information finding.
They can't even figure out that socialism isn't just one thing. When one group says it's "redistribution of materials and production to everyone" and the other emphasizes the meritocratic aspects of socialism, they can't even get past the first bit of conversation. I'm not even trying to nazi shill right now, but ffs these people need to stop listening to Molymeme and Crowder and pick up a book
I dont know why you assume this, some people will always value natural lives and are extremely productive without these imaginary technologies, thus like minded people can form communities and not need anything other than what they want/need and can already provide.
Prove it. Free market = production = getting rich by serving others. If I produce enough potatoes to eat i can produce more potatoes to sell to others, thus helping them and being productive rather than destructive. You're willfully ignoring the very basis of economy you ignorant bootlicker. Cunt have you even graduated highschool yet?
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>some people will always value natural lives
but they would get outcompeted by those that don't. They'll be making a tiny fraction of the money, only have the resources to have a few children, while those who embrace the future have the resources to have many.
This is what happened to native americans
Competition ensures that the most economically productive thing is what will perpetuate itself, and that happens to be transhumanism.
>IQ differences in human beings
>lolbertarians can't accept that genes are a thing
>commies insist it's intentional oppression, or even subconscious despite every effort to accommodate minorities
>even if those minorities are doing better
>lolbertarians have to shut their mouths and get pegged every time this is brought up