Nicola Tesla

>Nicola Tesla
>Werner Heisenberg
>Georges Lemaître (was an actual Catholic Priest)


How atheist fedora wearing cucks can explain that the biggest minds in the whole world were devoted Christians?

btfo fags

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>(((Heisenberg)))

Sit Isaac Newton considered himself more a theologian than a physicist.

>german name ends with berg/stein
>people think of (((them)))
My own name ends with (((stein))) it is pretty normal here.You should worry if the name has gold/silver or ruby infron of it.

retard

typical amerilard. berg and stein are german surnames. jews took them on to fit in better.

typical burger education

Beer((stein))

Religitards just end yourself already if you believe in heaven. Why live in hell?

Tesla was a spiritualist, did not give two fucks about Star Jews 2: Return of the Jesus.

(((E=MC2)))

Doesn't Godel's Incompleteness Theorem pretty much imply an external creator? Doesn't have to be an intelligent one, we have no way of knowing, yet. But a self-complete system can't logically bring itself into existence. Or the chain of cause and effect that goes back and back for ever must have a 1st cause to start everything.
Or if there is no first cause, infinity, then why does this infinity exist in the first place?
The closest I ever got was realizing that existence HAS TO exist by its very definition/nature. Whereas "nonexistence" cannot exist, by its very definition/nature. Therefore "existence" has to exist, it's impossible for existence to NOT exist.
But does this require an outside system to create these logic rules?

Why is christianity right but not hinduism?
checkmate faggot

I think furthermore, a system based entirely on chance without any purpose, could spontaneously not exist. Why is existence constant and, from our perspective, uninterrupted. What is the probability of existence continuing, and what is the engine that decides this probability?

New Atheists have failed. Dawkins is declining. Jordan Peterson is surging - waking dormant Western minds up to the worth and value of Christianity.

Well if everything in the universe stopped existing for a trillion years and then was brought back we wouldn't know about it at all. Does a game npc know you paused the game? No, his very thoughts are paused too.
And like I mention, existence HAS TO continue because if existence stopped then it wouldn't be existence anymore now would it?

holy shit user, you are sending my (((coincidence detector))) into overdrive!

Jews took on last name suffixes mashed together. Half the traditionally Jewish names mean shit like citytown or -ing-er. Americans are really bad at sniffing it out though.

but existence, as we experience it, is continuous, not random. It doesn't "unpause" to be something completely unrelated or different. It continues under the same rules, with the same agents, with the same energy. So there must be a rule that governs this.

We wouldn't know if it did that or not though. If you took a film reel and separated the first half from the last half then staggered each frame so that frame #1 would be followed by frame #10,000 which would be followed by frame #2 which would be followed by frame #10,001 which would be followed by frame #3 which would be followed by frame #10,002....etc...

The characters in the movie would not know the difference. BatMan still thinks his parents were murdered even if to us, outside observers, we haven't gotten to that part yet (frame #246 would be AFTER frame #5,000 to us). No matter the way we arrange the frames, the thoughts, beliefs and memories of BatMan within each frame do not change.

>Michael Faraday
>Sir Humphrey Davy
Many scientists do not give a shit about religion at all and I don't blame them.

Oh I see what you're saying. But in order for this to not be relativistic completely, there has to have been some natural order of things. Within your film example, if you rearranged the film in the order: 1,10 000,2,10 002, it would have to have some coherent design as: 1,2,3,4 as opposed to 1,10 000... That is, I think you are making each frame equally meaningless in your analogy, so it wouldn't matter if we could or could not comprehend it.

If you are also saying that the characters, despite re-arranging the frames, experience and understand their lives the same way (dramatic irony, I guess), it would imply there was a design that they are determined to experience. Otherwise we wouldn't be able to function or understand anything. Some way or another there is consistency.

Sir Isaac would've had his apples cut off if his actual religious views had been made public back then

>flag
>faulty argument
Didn't some of your ancestors invent this shit?
It seems like Greece is really lost.

Have this image, faggot.
Without a reference to [jew]elry, it's probably just a German.

Those 3 were the biggest minds ever walked the earth you trashcan

don't be so fucking stupid komshu. tesla wasn't a christcuck. belief in god doesn't mean believing in (((organized religion))). it's all lies, well more like corrupted truths

tesla=trump

also einstsein was jewish

>Godel's incompleteness theorem implies a creator
It was actually recently proven, it's a "PROOF" now. The Proof was done with advanced logic software. Even the neckbeards at /sci/ couldn't pick it apart. Formalizations of Godels OntologicalArgument - and all its Axiom held - of specificity Axiom T3 held and - therefore - "God necessarily exists".
Here's the best /sci/ thread on it that btfo every atheist, all the github links (including logic software) and all the articles were every university dept tries to save atheism, but can't.

warosu.org/sci/thread/S8622719

tldr: repent

I'm sorry, none of those people were even remotely in the same ballpark as
von Neumann
a strong agnostic who invoked pascal's wager on his deathbed.

Take it for what you will.

Appeal to authority

Being an expert in physics does not mean you have insight into the divine

So an out of order film reel can't exist?
I'm also speaking of systems outside ours. That means relativity exists in our system, but not necessarily outside. We physically cannot comprehend the outside system. Can a movie character comprehend the world outside its movie?
Can an AI comprehend the world outside its virtual sandbox? It would need access to the outside system to even begin to select neural nets that understand the world outside the system it has access to. No matter how intelligent it gets it will always be forced to rely on indirect observations to try to guess at the world outside. So a character in a movie might 'know' that their dramatic irony starts at the end because they just guessed it but they'd never have any proof except for the fact that their life has similarities to the dramatic irony genre and they can implicitly state that their life will also share the final ingredient of being out of order even though to them everything runs chronologically.

NO
fucking retards

Belief in God doesn't equate to organized religion you retarded stain of humanity. Spiritualism, deism, pantheism, pandeism the panens.

Well just because a God exists doesn't mean a Christian God exists. I follow my Christian faith for strictly social and physical reasons, not for any divine answers. The traditions and enforced behaviors is what makes religion important, not the answers.
Hmmm good point, never thought about it like that.

>appeal to fallacy

I'm saying that for a film to be "out of order" there would have to be an "in order" film. So there would have to be some sort of rule governing what an "in order" film was for it to be out of order. It's interesting because film and ai I think is our way of abstracting a pocket dimension (characters unaware we control them).

This thread is what happens when philosophy people think they're smart enough to be science and math people.

Add Isaac Newton to that list.

Sir Isaac Newton thought alchemy was a science

Interesting, though the fact is his ontological argument was always 'proven' it's just that nobody was really capable of completely understanding it. The weird thing was how everyone deferred to Godel on Order Theory, formal systems and whatnot, but when it came to his ontological proof they were suddenly all skeptical. It's an uncanny thing. One minute they admit they're not even qualified to question his work, the next they claim a special insight that allows them to reject it.

it's okay, we'll wait for you write your own opinion on the matter.

Gödel's incompleteness theorems (there's two, they are a pair) have nothing to do with God. They have to do with the limitations of FORMAL SYSTEMS and all these shitbrain 80 IQ conclusions have nothing to do with the theorems themselves.

any proof it's not? back in his day alchemy was chemistry so it was science

>appeal to appeals

>argument from authority

Alchemy and chemistry were one in the same back then.

It's a typical error people make, they conflate what Godel was famous for (the theorems) with the other thing he was famous for (the ontological proof). Obviously he meant the latter.

>thinks geocapitalism is possible
lol
>any proof it's not
I don't think it's possible to compound random shit in a flask to make gold so no.

Oppenheimer, Bohr, Russell, Dirac were irreligious. And so were Poincare, Hilbert, Kolmogorov and many more.

Stop appealing to people singled out.

And stop using this 'god' meme. None of the fucking Chrisitians can even agree on nor explain what their 'god' is. Using this word, they mean different things.

Finally, Christian 'god' is one ferocious whimsical deity of a certain sect within one faith of one of the 73 semitic peoples. Tis 'god' is no more important or credible than Ketzalcoatl or nature spirits of the eskimos.

>appeal to memearrows

Alchemy was miracle chemistry basically.

Our entire existence is a formal system. Since a formal system is limited then it needs help.

It's either g-d or the alternative. Your choice.

These men were not Jew worshiping Christian you idiot.

Tesla read the Veddas. Heisenberg was a Jew

Lamaritre didn't fuck little boys, so not a true member of the Church.

geolibertarianism nationalizes all natural resources and maintains free markets. You own the factory but not the land its on nor the air it pollutes. This isn't rocket science.

...

gee whiz you sure sound smart

>It's either g-d or the alternative. Your choice.
Your Jew God is the same cult as Satanism or Baphomet. It's all the same derivative.

You know why you leave the 'o' out of God? Because the word God means ODIN = GODin.

God is a Germanic word, not Aramaic. You blasphemy by calling your Jew deity "God" and not YHWY

SHAME!

well i guess my mind is bigger than theirs

>Most criticism of Gödel's proof is aimed at its axioms: As with any proof in any logical system, if the axioms the proof depends on are doubted, then the conclusions can be doubted.

The axioms, you can never get past the axioms. It's difficult to prove something's ''objective'' because you have to take some axioms for granted.

>trying to personify God
>too retarded to know we do the same shit with our creations
Last time I played AoE2 I let an entire army retreat but left a lone soldier to face a hundred enemy soldiers just for kicks.
I've also tortured sims characters.
They mean little to God, we're just here to please Him. Just like video game characters are there to please us.

Give me more information to learn more. Doesn't sound that much different from socialism.
Not my fault Aramaic is a dead language, fag.

So pointing to the legions of white Christian male scientists and physicists who discovered literally everything in the modern era - is not a valid appeal to authority when you just started your argument out this way?

(((Quantum mechanics)))
>nobody really understands it
>everything is random
>nothing, like, really matters man
>time/space/matter don't really exist
The acceptance of this shitty postmodern ""theory"" coincides with the rise of nihilism and the decay of Western Civilization as we know it. Don't fucking fall for it.

all of them feared a void after death. no difference to any other Christian, Muslim, Jew, etc

>nobody really understands it
Maybe that's why we should study it.

No, it's a gajillion of tribes with a gajillion of different deities and spirits. The Toda people, for instance, worship the Great Milkman while certain guys in the Zande tribe have a piece of rope or a wooden beam as their Totem. Some Aussie abbos believe women have no souls and there's a nice people in the Amur region of Russia whose whole faith entirely hinges on worshipping the bear they foster and then kill. What is the principle difference between these things and Christ? Protip: there is none. I view all these phenomena from exactly the same point of an anthropologist. In fact, to be honest, I find Christian theology with its theodicy, trinitatarism and other such jokes to be way more absurd and laughable then the Great Milkman or eskimo sea spirits.

This is why I called you fucking retarded. Such a wild and insane claim with ZERO understanding.

Prove your god is real and I'll believe in it. It's as simple as that. If you believe in things without evidence you're just not being rational.

My opinion is you and everyone else here should spend about two years studying actual math before you ever say anything about Godel again.

Godel: "Assuming that absolutely everything in the universe can be classified as either Good or Bad, there is Something in the universe that has only Good properties. This Something might be a person, a rock, an abstract mathematical object, or a lump of cat shit. I choose to call this thing God."
You: "ZOMG ATHEISTS BTFO"

In essence it pretty much is socialism but instead of seizing private capital made by human labor you seize natural resources that weren't made by anyone.
Alaska paid every resident a severance for the oil the private companies pump up. Same thing. It also implies Land Taxes (basically Property Taxes but your house isn't taxed, it's weird. Basically, a skyscraper in a rural area on one acre of land will pay the exact same tax as a small cabin on the acre next to it).
youtube.com/watch?v=thOyk_FrvMQ

Thank you for that point. I never thought about it like that.

> you can never get past the axioms
The logical software crunches the model logic and leaves the atheist to attack the axioms, but the axioms , as revised, are unassailable.

Are you arguing you don't exist?

the fedora tears please me

Chemistryanon here,

>Grew up in a Christian family
>Slowly lost faith as I aged
>Convinced god probably wasn't real by the time I started uni
>Think it's really strange how most humanities professors are atheist
>Think it's really strange how most science professors are religious
>Slowly regained faith as I learned more about real science
>Realize that "popular science" in the media is a meme because (((they))) want to erode morals and traditions
>Mfw I realize most scientists believe in a higher power
>Mfw studying science brought me back to god

I basically went from Christianity, to agnosticism, to atheism, to deism.

Tldr, deist masterrace reporting in

basically the same thing,

mix chemical A with chemical B --> get chemical C

They just started calling it "Chemistry" at some point to get away from all the magical connotations "alchemy" had.

Point is, you couldn't do Chemistry back then without it being called Alchemy, even if it was legit Chemistry.

Not unless they discovered some proof you can point me to.

>scientist says x, which doesnt align with y groups opinion
>"y is not btfo you guise"

You never thought that with your zero actual understanding of Godel's work that you shouldn't try to use it to define some greater truth about the existence of God. You never thought to research and understand it better?
Just jumped to wild conclusions?
Misrepresent the work and make stupid claims on the internet?

kys.

Like any of these faggots got to the bottom of the glass.

Like anyone who's ever lived has even taken more than a sip.

Science is divine and I'm certain we'll all be destroyed before ever discovering all of its secrets.

>wanting "proof" of religion
>can't into the concept of "faith"

Yet you cannot explain existence any better than them and think laughing from a faked "i'm smarter than you" perspective makes you superior?

Now tell us how muh axioms relate in ANY DAMN WAY to "God" as understood by any religious person.

A mathematician proved an abstract mathematical entity exists, then decided to name it "God". That's literally it.

see

(((von neumann)))
he was also a little bitch terrified of death

That's just what ((they)) want. The reality is quantum mechanics is a bullshit ploy to distract actual intellectual effort and research into the study of a useless abstract theory.

Founder of genetics was also a priest, its really fucking funny.

Atheists don't even lift man!

Well thought out argument. Thank you. The fact that our existence is 'incomplete' does not necessarily imply a greater outside system to support our system. That system would need a greater system to support it too. Ad infinitum.

no brains follows religion

a shallow brain denounces religion

a higher mind sees the necessity of religion

>you exist
Just because you 'think' you exist does not necessarily mean you exist. A rock that has the exact same molecular structure as my brain will think that it's a he and that he exists too. The rock exists but the illusion of being a man is not real.
So I could be a rock fooled into thinking I'm a man.
That molecular/particulate pattern does have to exist though I guess.

Well you end up realizing the limitations of science. That even futuristic "Perfected" science would never explain, heres cs lewis' general description of it.
youtu.be/_20yiBQAIlk

/thread

Also, their interpretation of the math was cucked. If they are so perfect for your appeal to authority, why are you so wrecked OP?

I am none of these. My mind is human but it has been tampered with by years of pharma. Now I just hate and love to inform so that I can feel smart.

I can relate my own theism with my Christian faith from a personal perspective built on faith.
You exist bruh. This is all real.

>/mentally challenged/

>I can relate my own theism with my Christian faith from a personal perspective built on faith.

So we've gone from "Math btfo atheists" back to "It's all about faith".

Something that has the exact same molecular structure as your brain would be your brain, not a rock

>Not my fault Aramaic is a dead language, fag.
It's dead because you're using a German dietie's name.

You Nazi