Political ramifications of proof of life after death?

So tomorrow, actual scientific evidence establishes, that life after death is a reality. That by some measure, consciousness leaves the body for some other form of existence.

How fucked do things get? Do normies start committing mass suicide to 're-roll' in this life because they now nihilistically can assume they were born with the odds against them for getting what oligarchs and others told them to toil their life away chasing? How soon till the global economy collapses? Does 'necronaut', someone willing to 'die' under clinical terms and be revived, now become the most insanely lucrative and revered profession?

Is suicide, or more so mass suicide, a real political power in a world post proof of life after death?

How far would oligarchs and nation states go to make sure such proof never made it into the public knowledge?

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>How far would oligarchs and nation states go to make sure such proof never made it into the public knowledge?
You assume that they won't be killing themselves too

There is life after death tho. Just in continuously different forms. In a way you die and become reborn every moment. There is no definite "you", thus making "death" quite the abstraction.

A logical assumption, as they would have the most to lose from dying in most cases if the evidence was just survival of consciousness. Everything else would still be an unknown. So most would more desperately than ever cling to staying alive, to avoid either progressing to a 'new' state where they are not in power or authority, and essential needing to start over. Or avoid being reincarnated as one of the normal folk.

Deep as fuck man. I figured out the same when I took three hits of LSD and ecstasy and Jesus, Buddha, and Mohammed all materialized to tell me that I have no soul, that human existence is an illusion and that we are all one.

>So tomorrow, actual scientific evidence establishes, that life after death is a reality. That by some measure, consciousness leaves the body for some other form of existence.

source?

>Do normies start committing mass suicide to 're-roll' in this life because they now nihilistically can assume they were born with the odds against them for getting what oligarchs and others told them to toil their life away chasing?
That would be funny as fuck to watch.

What makes you think they don't already believe in life after death and some form of karma? I don't think most billionaires are philanthropists at random. Look at Bloomberg saying "if heaven exists, I'll get in from my work on gun control" for the most basic example.

Why does there HAVE to be life after death, your current conscious has been dead for billions of years, and will be dead until the universe ends when you die. Why do people believe that their current consciousness is special? nature shows us that life is expendable, me, you, all of us aren't special. You can dance, sing? not special. Your memories? not special. There is nothing particularly special about our hard wired descended ape like consciousness. Perhaps you will experience "life" in ways you can't even fathom, but you won't even be you. Perhaps this is why religion was formed, the thought of your consciousness being expendable is too much to bare.

this is not a thing, almost nobody will commit mahjong because they think they will be born again, least of all "normies"

I'd add that promoting multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and immigration are easy ways for the elite to attempt to morally absolve themselves for their 'exploitation' of the masses. Increasing their profits at the same time makes it the easiest choice.

Because there is a huge leap in believing, in the vacuum of scientific certainty. And a definitive answer on their being some form of life after death.

We're not even sure if you're the same you when you sleep and wake up in the morning.

Why do people have trouble rationalizing that they are nothing but a chunk of raw meat with electrical signals moving through it?

You shouldn't always listen to hallucinations. Especially those of pedophile warlords.

t. brainlet

>How fucked do things get?
(((they))) made a movie about it
it would have been half decent if they didn't shoehorn a love story into it

In a world filled with mystery and wonder and evil, why would you reduce it to nothing?

How so?

Considering that genetic memory is an established concept I wouldn't be surprised if the ancient religions that believe in reincarnation are correct on some level

But dude, like I read this book where a guy sat under a tree and looked back to the beginning of time but he couldn't see it, so it must not exist. And it seemed pretty cool so when some bearded guy comes to me in a hallucination telling me this, how can it not be true?

THIS. I look forward to my existence as dirt. After all, I spent billions of years as it.

This is really making me think.

vladmodels are still illegal, even when zombified.

You're still dirt, just a slightly different substrate of it at the quantum level.

>a square is a circle

>consciousness leaves the body
consciousness is not in the body. it is universal. body is just the antenna

nice assumption

Death does not exist. Death is at the root of all escapist fantasies of the human mind. Humanity has spent all their existence attempting to apply such concepts as nothingness and void to the heights of Life, Death, Rebirth, and God.

This hypothetical death that is idealized as the absolute termination of all existence, where you, I, and all do not exist, is merely the ultimate fantasy that s enabled after years of emotional suffering and pain.

You shall never experience the Death that you desire. There is no off of the train of existence.

You exist as long as God exists.

To think about it differently, you probably don't want to be limited by your current consciousness. We are descendants of apes, while we exhibit high intelligence relative to other apes, I'd love to be able to be a 3 cubic gallon headed green alien, that consciousness would probably be even better. More power, more storage for memory, more emotions, etc.
It's evolution of consciousness, the mind and body that nature is pursuing. I'd rather not be trapped in human consciousness form, but the final form.

consciousness ceases at the moment of death though

That is nothing but a dream. Consciousness or not, you still exist. The yearning of humanity is the termination of all things, including consciousness.

I'm just taking his faith-based assumptions to their logical conclusion.

already happened
quantum microtubules in the brain

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>>Dr Hameroff told the Science Channel's Through the Wormhole documentary: 'Let's say the heart stops beating, the blood stops flowing, the microtubules lose their quantum state.
>'The quantum information within the microtubules is not destroyed, it can't be destroyed, it just distributes and dissipates to the universe at large.
>'If the patient is resuscitated, revived, this quantum information can go back into the microtubules and the patient says "I had a near death experience".'
>He adds: 'If they're not revived, and the patient dies, it's possible that this quantum information can exist outside the body, perhaps indefinitely, as a soul.'

Read more: dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2225190/Can-quantum-physics-explain-bizarre-experiences-patients-brought-brink-death.html#ixzz4rSz0Nsxi

But it's hard to understand and the evidence can only be so conclusive so... I don't know, most people I talk to don't seem interested and it puzzles me as to why. Seems pretty interesting, the possibility at least.

gift of god is eternal life.

weeeeeeeeeee

>implying there is a god

My man.

You amplify my pain, brother

wtf do muslims know

I have always thought this.

Time does have a beginning though. Obviously your Muhammad vision is literally Satan.

We wuz assassins n shit

>We're not even sure if you're the same you when you sleep and wake up in the morning.
i think you are, as a sum of past experiences, rebooting from a suspended state, a pause not an off setting. also there's the quantum microtubule thing, whatever happens to you there's an entangled quantum record it seems. i think i've heard that a quantum state once created cannot be destroyed? something like that. here's some sources, interesting stuff, and there are plenty better sources out there too.

>Obviously your Muhammad vision is literally Satan.

Please put that on a T-shirt XDD

Dude stop negging my vibe, all religions are the same.

hol up

It would be suppressed so that no one knows that sacrificial magics work.

>How far would oligarchs and nation states go to make sure such proof never made it into the public knowledge?

as far as it takes, user

If the quantum microtubules are entangled with other quantum particles, the information is shared across dimensions/space/time. This explains the Holy Spirit.

There is a movie on Netflix called The Discovery that explores this theme. Basically tons of people commit suicide, the murder rate skyrockets, and bizarre cults form. All of that seems relatively realistic

In one way i want an afterlife

In an other way i want to reborn as something else

And i wouldn't mind actual death.

hnng

What kind of afterlife does user want?

>That by some measure, consciousness leaves the body for some other form of existence.
How the fuck do you measure that?

we'll only learn and comprehend such a thing if we make the right choices now when it comes to progress and the future, so as to advance to the next stage where such information is now enabled to us. I don't know what the right choices are though lol

I think therefore i am biiiiitch

it has perhaps already been measured
quantum entanglement, with microtubules in the neurons. real shit. but the implications are still largely conjecture. but it seems promising, it is evidence to suggest life after death is a possibility, that there is some mechanism in place that could exist to enable that.

Love this thread. I have always said that your soul was a subatomic construct that persists after you die.

The bittersweet truth of that is even suicide is no escape from your choices. You WILL experience the aftermath of life after you are gone.

who the fuck is thiiiiis

>In one way i want an afterlife
>In an other way i want to reborn as something else

Wouldn't it be nice if you got a choice in what you experience next? More so if you could keep your memories, or at least enough to carry out whatever intentions you had when making your choice.

For example, if you opted to reincarnate and be particularly gifted in playing the violin but can't carry over even the memory of that intent to become a famous violinist then you may go through your life without ever discovering your chosen talent.

One where justice comes for degeneracy.

Actually, no. I'd settle for waking up to being outside the simulation this universe is. And even if that is just another simulation layer up, I'd be alright with it.

more of this set?

I would only reincarnate if i got the choice of what i would become.

quantum entangled microtubules in the brain
BEHOLD!
The evidence you've been looking for, at the very least it suggests the possibility of life after death and an observed mechanism in place that makes that possible. Do your own research of course, there have been a few studies done.

Death was defeated on the cross. This you will find out after the Jesus returns at the end of the tribulation. Then comes the 1000 year reign, and those who do not belong to the Lord will get the second, or spiritual final death in the day of the fire.

I probably would regardless, as long as I remained human. I'm sure whatever's next is absolutely amazing, but assuming at least my soul can grow and remember the lives I walk on this earth, just one isn't enough to even scratch the surface.

But then again who's to say I haven't already lived hundreds of times? It's something only my soul could really decide, assuming you do regain all mortal memories after death.

well it seems you might be right

I hope theres redemption for monsters like me

i dunno, based on what i think the soul might be, that quantum microtubule thing i mentioned, it would seem after death you probably either get entangled in some new physical body or you're just frozen. and it would seem, i would think, that to be re-entangled in the physical world, would require an exact physical copy of your microtubules to entangle into. and that might not be possible, or it might require a god if it was.

who knows, we can only speculate.

Jess...

probably, what you are now probably matters a lot more then what you were. i would assume

Thanks, leaf. You're alright.

I try my best but I break.

yes, jessica southern, younger sister of lauren southern.

pobodys nerfect

>and that might not be possible, or it might require a god if it was.

Something to work towards, then, assuming I keep the sense of mind to even know I wanted to try.

yeah that's a good point, i've just been assuming it's a thing that happens or something. but maybe you do have to earn it if there's a god involved as it seems plausible there would be for that mechanism of quantum microtubules to work in that way

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delet

Other way around, friend. Also, photoshop. But still not bad.
Not bad at all...

indeed, epigenetics
apparantly people whose parents grew up starving may end up fat simply because the gene for fat production was activated by the starved life of the mothers childhood. like how audrey hepburn had fat kids. and that many different stresses and factors can influence genetics. and that the accumulated genetic changes over a families history across many generations has a deep effect both physically in the body and in the brain.

i thought those hips were a bit wide
she shoops well

There is no such thing as 100% efficient transfer of energy.

You will be LESSER after death.

>quantum
Did someone say quantum?

HOMEWORLD

I'll open up a tab with Sup Forums now

I'm really quite surprised more people aren't already talking about this. It's the closest evidence to life after death thus far discovered. I wouldn't call it proof, but it's certainly intriguing. I would think this information would spread like wildfire but so far few people know.

Yep, there's a whole lot of unknowns here. We'll see when we see, I'm in no rush to find out firsthand. There's not even a guarantee of any choices involved in reincarnation beyond if you'd like to or not, assuming we're even given that option to mull over. I'd still likely agree to be reborn, but I realize that I may not even maintain the same quality of life that I've enjoyed so far. I could very well end up a street-shitter. Or it might not even matter, as I might fall to SIDS shortly after birth even if I did end up in the west again.

I think her shoops are mostly airbrush, but there is some accentuation here and there

the way i see it doesn't suggest reincarnation is possible at all in the usual sense of the word. it's quantum entanglement, it can only happen with a perfect microtubile neuron physical copy of the quantum information you're trying to re-entangle. maybe.

I'd be a porn star female taking bbc on blacked (dot)com

No one says that it gets better after death.
Maybe it just gets even worse with no way out

What disturbs me isn't the possibility of life after death, but rather what exactly that life will be. It's like Sup Forums: You're there forever. So I'd like some understanding of what I'm inevitably getting into. Christianity gives painstaking detail about what Hell is like, but there's virtually no talk about what Heaven is like. What do you do there? What is the point? Everyone just says "You'll be with God and eternally happy!" Okay, but what does that mean? Is it like being high on opioids 24/7? Is it like a huge MMO lobby where you can talk to anyone who has ever died?

I just don't get it, and I don't think I can ask these kinds of questions with a priest without being seen as some kind of atheist unbeliever or something.

because muh "hard problem of consciousness"

The guy who popped off with that shit is a moron who doesnt even work in the field of physics and despite claiming his opinions as facts has never been able to prove or provide evidence for any of his claims aside from simply assuring people that its true cuz he said so.

Stop worshipping any random dumbass who add the word "quantum" to something. I swear to god, you faggots are worse than the trans humanists who earnestly believe the same government that doesnt want them to own handguns or unmonitored internet connections is going to allow them to have cybernetic super powers.

i don't think there's any way to know. i'm sure lots of people have theories. i'm not religious so i haven't thought much about it. but probably many religious philosphers throught the centuries have written about what they speculate heaven might be like. philosophy is one of the only tools we have to form speculations on here.

I doubt much would change. Saying something exists is a far cry from actually having any detailed information about it. If that life after death were some sort of paradise I could see people necking themselves to get there faster. But just "something exists" isn't enough to make any sort of decision on.

There is a movie on netflix about that. I forgot the name, but robert redford acts in it IIRC

that's just one guys idea of how it works. there is solid science behind it. and also realm for speculation. you can read the studies and come up with your own ideas. i linked one study there, but others have been done.

i never said the dude was right, i specifically said it is unproven but intriguing suggestion.

but i guess i'm worshipping a random dumbass because he said quantum and now believe everything he says 100% sure

Jesus is a myth. All Gods are created by man.

wow, i'm sure you totally converted him on the spot to atheism. he's never heard anything like that before and now you've really made him think.

as far as i can tell you're both making unproven assertions and speculations, as i am, and yet you recognize it as fact.

Every Muslim becomes a jihadi overnight

Heres the dumbest thing you can do with quantum physics: scale it up to macrophysics.

Yes, quarks can do wierd shit. Travel in two directions of time at once, exist in two places at once, posess no mass and phase through eachother, transmit "information" across space and time.

But assuming such structures and abilities scale up to even the size of molecules is simply idiotic. The particles are able to do what they do because they posess almost zero mass, or no mass, or are so small the amount of energy required to overcome some fundamental thresholds within the universe are tiny.

The majority of quantum cultism is simply taking something a tiny itty bitty particle with negative mass charged with retard levels of energy can do and say that it can apply to macrostructures like the human brain.

You just gotta buy his book and DVD set for only 3 payments of $29.99 to find out how.

Then all the new age faggots who want to feel intelligent and adopt a belief system that doesnt require them to put forth any effort or moral comittment jump all over it.