Is there any form of Communism that can work? What if they only take away the property of the rich?

Is there any form of Communism that can work? What if they only take away the property of the rich?

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No.

Nope,unless mass mind control is implemented I don't any form of communism work work in the long term.

replace all tax with an annual asset tax

The one form of communism that can work is the form where women wear diapers and call their boyfriends "daddy"

>Is there any form of Communism that can work?
Voluntary communism rooted in religious doctrine

Still broken

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Doesn't make any sense. All they do is create a new proletariat.

what the fuck is wrong with you, weirdo? the correct form of communism is the one where women piss themselves while you suck on their toes

why the rich wats so wrong with them?

I'd argue the MAGA train is a form of communism. You have T_D, /ptg/, Infowars, thernovich and Sargoys all working towards a common goal, without clashing on who's more popular or relevant like they would in capitalist movements.

Let me make clear, if you want to find out if it works or not, try to claim some land and proclaim that as an ancom state.
In other words, try it in practice.

Yes. There is a form of communism that can work.
It works when it's voluntary.

Dude what the fuck, you're a burger aren't you? Trying to mix burgers and communism is like trying to mix an atom of hydrogen with an atom of anti-hydrogen; it's just now happening.

Yes it worked under Hitler which is the only way it'll work if people are dedicated to not abusing the system.

*Not happening.

Communism requires everyone to agree else someone rises to the top and destroys the entire system.

If you remove people from the equation and automate it then you have to chemically control people's brains else they're be pissed because some people will get laid and others won't and that becomes commercially valuable then that can be sold then financial inequality rises and the system falls apart. Also automation would ensure no person would come up with a new idea ever.

Soviet communism worked well. Cybernetic communism is the next step though.

It's not the rich so much as it is the capitalist class. Unfortunately in this system they're synonymous as many people like to confuse it.

Yeah interesting how it changed from seizing the means of production to just succling off the teat of machine overlords. I'm sure it will work out well.

it only works if we kill all the nonwhites, but then its no longer communism, its national socialism

Post scarcity communism would work. Or in the first years of industrialization.

Yes.

Communism will work wonderfully in a century or so when all menial jobs are fully automated and the poor have been exterminated by robots leaving an egalitarian utopia for the remaining 10% or so of the human population.

Robot socialism. Tax the robots, only the robots. A $100,000 automated fabricator/hydroponics/material processor would produce well over $1000 in economic output per year, a 1% tax on the market value of robots could pay for every social program and infrastructure project with zero tax burden on the average citizen.

IF (and it is a BIG "if") it could work, it would have to be essentially either a very united society that works together because it HAS to (aka external threat, harsh environment...etc) OR an extremely centralized society where the human factor at the top gov offices is reduced as much as possible (aka a good % of all decisions would be taken by AI). Neither looks like an attractive prospective.

Fuck that - the only good commie is a dead commie.

Sure, communism can work, it would just require one of two things:
>the human race becomes cyborgs under the control of the state
or
>totalitarian control of every aspect of people's lives, from reproduction to how many pieces of toilet paper one can use to wipe one's ass.

The eventual downside to some perfect surveillance and control state would be the population's unwillingness to live in such conditions, and a serious lack of creativity on the part of people to become entrepreneurs or to make things more efficient.

I find it astonishing, frankly, how many young people have drunk the Bernie Sanders Kool-Aid and have bought into the whole socialism/marxism bullshit considering how vehemently young people can't wait to get away from their parents.

I think you meant day or month...

holy fuck you have no idea what communism is.

don't post again untill you can tell the difference between socialism, communism, and national socialism. that is the bare minimum, untill then you are a disgusting fucking normie and nobody wants to hear your shitty uninformed opinions

No, trust me, my parents, grandparents and grand-grand paretns were all commies and most of them (who are alive today) hate communism and tell that now is better. And I am living in poorest country in Europe, which is still better than USSR.

Then where would you draw the line for "rich". once everyone with millions has had it stolen from them, then those with thousands are the rich ones

sadly, this is probably true

Maybe once we all have replicators and unlimited energy and can have everything and anything we want for free.

BUT THEN WHY WOULD YOU WANT PEOPLE TELLING YOU WHAT THE FUCK YOU CAN AND CAN'T HAVE AND DO THEN

Well, precisely. Per year is a ridiculous lowball, and 1 million $100,000 machines being taxed only 1% per year is $1 billion in tax. Ford alone probably has triple that number of machines.

Sargoy detected. Keep sperging slut

There never has been and never will be Communism because it is an unworkable system.

That's just called teamwork.

antifa-chan is cute. does xhe wear a butt plug during rallies?

I sincerely think we are moving toward some kind of society where the real power shall reside in the hands of a very restricted group of people - and I do not mean the jews etc, but more like the "builders" aka engineers, programmers etc...

When more than 80/90% of all the jobs and needs are covered by machines, whoever helps keeping the machines going will have the real power. Let's say the other 80/90% of people (who do not work at this point being too stupid and/or lazy to study and become one of the "top") disagree and want democracy/to vote against the wishes of the 10% that keeps society working? Sure! They will just go on strike. Enjoy when society breaks down since the retards are too stupid to keep said machines working.

Just an idea..

We all know that communism has never been tried and we've only lived in fascist white male oppression since the beginning of time user

Of course!

Tom is rich so we take his property and assets and give to Jill and Ramon. Now Jill has more than Ramon, so we take what Ramon has and give it to Jill. Now Jill has more than Tom and Ramon so the Gov just takes it and all 3 are now equal.

Get it now? Dip!

We know that machines will write their own program and design themselves before they will be capable of building themselves. You are backwards, and just completely wrong.

Eh, you are probably right, but i still think there is way too much up in the air to call what will really happen 8stupid example - when the West collapses it might slow down the automation progress, or it might speed it up. Dunno sincerely).

>We know that machines will write their own program and design themselves before they will be capable of building themselves.

Nigger, what? Self-replicating machines that don't comprehend their own construction aren't just likely, they're literally all over the face of the goddamn planet

We act as though humans have complete control over this rock we all stand on. This is complete fantasy that our own ego has created to shield the fact that most people still question purpose of life. We are still hunter / gatherers.

Sauce that rib. Show me one example of a completely self replicating mechanical system.

Possibly, but it is likely that any form of economy without government intervention will eventually tend towards capitalism.

Matriarchy, the women own all the property and control all the modes of production and commerce while men to some degree have some form of "property/citizen" rights, they're controlled by their clan matriarch or their wife.

This is why they're engineering Feminism. That collectivist communist trash is an inherency in female nature, ie Gynocentrism.

>And there are trad-cucks that want us to be obedient to such a system

if you read this and believe in the trad-cuck way in the Feminist epoc, KYS

>though Patriarchal systems are just as heinous,

That's why (((they))) engineering a hybrid system, free market with Feminism

Juche, which is basically national socialism.

The reality is that communism doesn't work, not because of the motivation problem [though that does exist], nor because of the corruption or greed problem, but rather because its inefficient.

Central planning of the economy is inherently inefficient, no government bureaucrat however intelligent will ever have enough recent data and enough intelligence to calculate the economy so much as a day in advance.

We're still at the point where random chance is almost as effective at guessing long-term market behavior as actual stockbrokers. What happens in a communist society is the same thing that always happens, inefficiency produces shortages and surpluses and the society thus only functions at all in places undergoing an industrial revolution that can allow its sheer output to overcome the inefficiencies of socialism. The second the inefficiencies overtake it, the reds all starve to death like the rats they are

>B-but isn't capitalism inefficient too!?

In a different way. Capitalism produces so much that we produce large quantities of waste on trivialities and bullshit. We don't however suffer mass shortages like in communism.

Define 'mechanical'.

Ofcourse it can work

Population control, ethnic cleansing, concentration camps, starvation, 80m is no joke.

We could use it now come to think of it

tl;dr
>Looks like kebab is back on the menu boys

Show me something other than organic life that can reproduce itself without outside intervention.

that's called socialism

the only real form of communism that can work is natural communism

That is to say, Let capitalism keep going until automation makes labour completely unnecessary and scarcity of resources ends, and you will have your communist utopia

If socialism / communism is based upon all being created equal and remaining equal would all humans have to be genetically engineered to be exactly the same?

It goes against human nature therefore it can never work.

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Yeah of course, Communism works just fine in tribal villages living off either handouts or hunter/gatherer lifestyles.
For all the talk of how communism is needed for the complexities of modern society it is literally just attempting to apply tribalism to mass society which obviously fails or it never would have been moved away from in the first place.

Better yet would humans be put to death for sickness of disease for the betterment of the collective?

Nope, communism is literally the end stage economic ideology. You think advanced alien civilizations still use capitalism? If capitalism can barely last 8 years without a market crash, how the hell will it last the lifetime of a million year old advanced civilization.

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Face it, its literally Tribalism/Communalism rebranded and sold to you as an "advanced solution to everything". Its the fucking snake oil of political ideology.

i am a rich man and i say no. dont like it? too bad.

ok next

>If socialism / communism is based upon all being created equal and remaining equal would all humans have to be genetically engineered to be exactly the same?
Let's see:

>But one man is superior to another physically, or mentally, and supplies more labor in the same time, or can labor for a longer time;
>This equal right […] tacitly recognizes unequal individual endowment, and thus productive capacity, as a natural privilege. It is, therefore, a right of inequality, in its content, like every right.
>unequal individuals (and they would not be different individuals if they were not unequal)
t. Marx

>If capitalism can barely last 8 years without a market crash

Chapter 14: The Scam And How It Works
“Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international money lenders. The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and manipulates the credit of the United States”
― Barry M. Goldwater

“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.”
― Henry Ford
As I have mentioned several times already the Zionists most valuable weapon are banks. In 1913 on December 23 the Federal Reserve act (an unconstitutional act) was passed while most of the Senate was home on Christmas break and Wilson signed the bill into law. Let me explain how the Federal Reserve works. First the name is a misnomer there is nothing Federal about it. This is an instution in private hands, our old friends the Rothschilds. By printing off paper and loaning it to the country at interest they get a percentage right off the top, which we pay to them in items that have actual value such as gold when we were on the gold standard and now oil which our currency is anchored by. Not only do they suck out the natural resources and wealth of a nation through this scam they also gain control of the economy which they can manipulate however they wish by creating inflation, recessions, depressions etc. By creating these conditions in the economy they gain a secondary way to steal the wealth of a nation. While people work to buy items of value such as land, property, precious metals, etc they can crash the economy like they did in the

2008 housing crash and buy the items people worked their entire lives to purchase back for pennies on the dollar, not to mention steal even more of our actual resources in exchange for more paper (tax money) through government bailouts for the banks and organizations that created the crisis to begin with. The employees and CEO’s of these organizations got huge bonus checks while our money was used to keep the corporations and banks these people own from going bankrupt, we covered their “losses”. This is all one big scam folks. They did this exact same thing to Germany just before WWII, while the average German’s worth was 800 deutchmarks the average worth of a German Jew was 10,000 duetchmarks, many economists have written about this topic including a number of Jews themselves. What we are seeing today, as I write this book even, is an exact repeat of what they did with an artificial bread shortage to cause the French and Russian revolutions only with 1920’s Germany and the modern day they use the stock market for the same effect, which is to say starve people into having nothing left to lose to start a revolution. They created the housing bubble and subsequent crash in 2008 and bought back property and assets at pennies on the dollar then flooded the economy with money causing debt and inflation. Next they will create an artificial crash and restrict the money supply causing hyper inflation and a depression then they will attempt another communist revolution, which they are already priming with Marxist groups funded by George Soros. When the crash happens they will blame Trump and the corrupt capitalist government they are the ones corrupting and either another Hitler will rise or they will take the entire world.

“The new law will create inflation whenever the trusts want inflation. It may not do so immediately, but the trusts want a period of inflation, because all the stocks they hold have gone down... Now, if the trusts can get another period of inflation, they figure they can unload the stocks on the people at high prices during the excitement and then bring on a panic and buy them back at low prices.…The people may not know it immediately, but the day of reckoning is only a few years removed.” (Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, referring to the Federal Reserve act, Congressman Lindbergh stated this a few years prior to the stock market crash in 1929 which ushered in the Great Depression Congressional Record, Vol. 51, p. 1446. December 22, 1913.)

“Under the Federal Reserve Act, panics are scientifically created. The present panic is the first scientific one, worked out as we figure a mathematical equation.” (Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, The Economic Pinch, 1921.)
I can’t emphasize enough how important it is for you to watch these last documentaries especially. Much of the information I discovered while writing this book by meticulously following the breadcrumbs matches up exactly with the information in them. They also include much more detailed information on a number of topics I only touched on briefly for the sake of brevity and to avoid overloading you with too much information at once. My ultimate goal is to have you the reader do your own research to confirm what I am telling you here and to dig even deeper on your own. There is an overwhelming amount of information I have not even mentioned specifically for these reasons. These people use layer upon layer of knowledge and deception to keep the general public and even their own “members” in the dark as to what their true intentions are just like the degrees of knowledge you must graduate to in their secret societies.

GUD BLUSS SEVIT NANIN
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In the interest of full disclosure and being thorough there are sources I included in this book that are possible “controlled opposition” plants designed to peddle misinformation or provide false hope as a leader such as Alex Jones and possibly even Donald Trump just to name a couple. I still included them however in order to help you as the reader break through the first layer of the web of lies. The term “controlled opposition” describes people and institutions designed specifically to catch those sharp enough to notice the “glitch in the Matrix” in the first layer of misinformation and catch them in the second to steer them away from continuing in the right direction with half truths and real truths mixed with misinformation to keep them from getting to the ultimate truth at the root of it all, which is this group of elites running the global banks, media organizations, and corporations are behind it all purposefully manipulating all of this.
"We always give the public their heroes, we give the heroes to every faction and the people, once they hear this person say all the right things, we give releases to them because he or she speaks for me, that's how we rationalize it and we sit back and re-guide it again, we say go here and go do that and they do it, we give our power to the authorized heroes."(Albert Pike, Morals & Dogma, 1871)

wah wah wah nice try shlomo

Perhaps its the beer and rum in my eyes but that just makes no sense to me. I should make more and own more if I produce more. So maybe I just do not understand the concepts.

gobumnism will never work because there's no mechanism in place to keep stupid ass and greedy people from seizing power as a dictator while everyone else literally starves to death around them.

>it's a great theory, you just can't replicate the same results under the same conditions ever
So in other words, it's worthless bullshit?

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Fire.

If an AI was running things, so you took humans out of the equation.

Don't start into that vein friend. That statement is on some nigger tier bullshit. That's factually the objective of a theory.

Basically this. Superman's a great comic in theory but if you ever try to emulate him in the real world you're going to fall of a building and die every single time. This new breed of young liberal idiots are particularly stupid because they're standing on the edge of the skyscraper and have already seen 1,000 other people jump off right in front of them and die but they still want a shot at jumping themselves.

Oh boy.......

>when you are so fucking brainwashed that you acknowledge communism not working but still fucking hope and shill for it

the absolute state of antifa

umm ever hear of the first law of thermodynamics?

Energy never ceases to exist it only changes form. Literally everything in the Universe reincarnates or "reproduces"

If you seriously consider communism you should seriously consider suicide.

I like using this vid on normies for the federal reserve, its easy for them to swallow.
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Real question is. Is there any form of Socialism that can work?

Socialism is the first step to communism. However the answer is still no.

Communism Doesn't Work For Two Core Reasons

>Government can't be trusted
>People don't do the right thing

No matter what you do. It will never work.

tx

I wrote the book that pasta is from btw

My god we were discussing self replicating machines. Please read before commenting. Can you name the 2nd law of thermodynamics?

>You think advanced alien civilizations still use capitalism?
Yeah.

>Show me something other than organic life that can reproduce itself without outside intervention.
I don't care what you were talking about, you asked a question and I answered it. What does your stupidity and inability to ask what you mean have to do with it?

You can write a book but cannot follow a separate fucking conversation about machines self replicating.

why you so butt hurt? hahhaa it is not my fault you aren't very bright. Are you sitting there huffing? Yah we know you are lol

Again you stuck your nose into a situation and had no fucking clue what was happening and you feel good about the stupidity you spout from your dick sucker.

>off the chart butt hurts reaching never before seen levels

>Perhaps its the beer and rum in my eyes but that just makes no sense to me. I should make more and own more if I produce more. So maybe I just do not understand the concepts.
Well the first concept to understand is that Marxism isn't about what 'should' be, as we do not believe in the possibility for people to determine their mode of production, but rather we think it's our mode of production that determines us. Marx didn't say what tomorrow 'should' be based on moral arguments; he deducted scientifically what tomorrow 'will' be based on the objective dynamics of today's society.

Now that being said, in the paragraph from which I cherry-picked the quotes, Marx precisely explains that in the first phase of the communist society (aka socialism), people will be rewarded according to the amount of work they furnish.

Does that answer your question?

Again you just continue to double down on your stupidity of not paying attention yet interjecting your opinion when you had no prior context to what was being discussed. You must have been a Bernie Bro or with Her.

If gommies can see the future why do they always run out of food?

Yes. Thank you for the clarification.

>Again you just continue to double down on your stupidity
project much? wtf is wrong with you? Do you have chicken and dumplings where your bran should be?