Alt-Right Reformation: They call us Nazis anyways!! <- shill edition. #2

Alright listen up men because this is how things are going to work from now on. Either you follow these instructions or our race dies. The Alt-right needs to reject Neo-Nazis, and White Supremacists. White Identitarianism (& nationalism) is fine, we can easily sell this to millions of White people who are fed up with antiwhite rhetoric.

National Socialists you can keep your toxic ideology to yourselves, but you need to drop the TOXIC branding. Call yourselves White advocates or White identitarians or something from now on. It means the exact same thing but is more free from negative connotations... Or come up with another term. Branding/Optics are key to winning a propaganda battle for our people's minds.
>"PRKEK" isn't an argument

You're never again to paint Hitler or the Nazis in a positive light. This is an albatross around our race's neck, and needs to be thrown overboard. I wouldn't even waste your time trying to explain to people how "Yah know, the Nazis really weren't that bad". You're wasting everybody else's and your own time on this and you're better off sticking to tactics that you know everybody can get behind(e.g. Whites deserve to maintain their interests in their own country and not be subject to hate). You can still advocate on behalf of whites and oppose Jewish manipulators but you are NOT allowed use the utterly useless and counter-productive Nazi and "Fascist" branding. You are White identitarians or White advocates for all intents and purposes
>"BUT THEY'LL CALL US NAZIS ANYWAY" isn't an argument

>Again, this thread is for the reformation of the Alt-Right. Start working on some new aesthetics and new names.
We just started a discord for more serious posters.Anyone joining will be heavily vetted
>deezcord.gg/rVmqW

Other urls found in this thread:

youtu.be/r2Q87dI0H5s
hammerandanvilmyblog.wordpress.com/2011/05/30/a-brief-history-of-the-white-nationalist-movement/
twitter.com/NSFWRedditVideo

THE 88 IS A LEFTWING ANTIWHITE TOOL USED TO CRUSH THE 14
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Anyone that has a problem with or violates these new rules will from hereon be deemed a shill or mentally unfit and will be cast out of this reformed Pro-White movement. This is paramount, and many of you know I'm right. Time to un-fringe ourselves and win our people's hearts and minds.

The left wants to stick us into the nazibox to shut off white people's minds from being open to our ideas, and we must fight this. Onward, brothers!

Called it. Your discord is you gathering a PRcuck personal army to shill Sup Forums

>Anyone joining will be heavily vetted
Hi FBI

Go home jew

I agree 14 is sufficient and self-evident. Anyone now wanting Whites to have a homeland is easily accused of carrying a double-standard and could even be charged with wanting genocide against us.
14 Everyday of the week, but not 88.

>not fixing the discord invite link
>shamelessly copying and pasting the entire OP post from the last two threads
Come on mate.

god would rather destroy this world than to allow you cunts to take over it where you could torture and molest millions of souls.

>"PRKEK" isn't an argument
This. Grow up or GTFO

[gibbers in tinfoil]

[argument not detected]

here is an idea, why not rewrite history, if you control history you control the present am i right enough for you?

oh i'll bomb you shit threads with redpills, trust me.

Decent post but...

>"We just started a discord for more serious posters. ANYONE JOINING WILL BE HEAVILY VETTED."

Don't join that shit, nigger.

When we get it back up, it'll be good. We aren't asking for people's photos or personal info, just a thorough certainty that we're all on board and agree with the same ideas.

Even Oregon hipster faggots want to be 14 deep down. It's very palatable to normies. This kind of thing needs to learn from golden dawn as far as community engagement. I don't think people can resist generous Chad nationalism wrapped in the US flag.

Can we go full 88 once we have our ethnostate?
BTW, why does everyone think an ethnostate is unachieveable?
The history of the world is a history of ethnostates and empires and rebellions and reformed borders, FFS there's still people alive that remember when a Jewish homeland was a pipedream.
/rant

this thread sums up the latest attempt to tame Sup Forums to be a personal army...

anyone that does not see it is a cuck.

Golden post

you have 10 minutes to explain to me in complete form how you would achieve this, I am waiting.

It's possible, but it will be the result of collapse, pushing for stronger freedom of association/states rights, mass migration (to the PNW probably), or some combination of all three.

>Can we go full 88 once we have our ethnostate?
maybe, but that's something to think about way, way far from now

The current goal must be to appeal to the millions of OWNRs (Openminded White Normal Rightwingers) who are fed up with antiwhite rhetoric and get them to support the 14 words! Let's get our numbers up!

Eyes on the prize.

you're a terrorist sir.

I mean I suppose everyone could join the AFA and pretend everything is a religious function LMAO.

Lauren uploaded a video defending our right to love hitler
Man the mental gymnastics required to be libertarian are hilarious

>we protect your right to express yourself in our ancap paradise
>you express fascist rhetoric
>ancap an hero

Wow really activated my almonds

youtu.be/r2Q87dI0H5s

If you are normal or open minded you dont belong here desu senpai

What about facism op?

It's time to Come Home

>Back down cuz you're winning.
Thanks for the advice jew.

White nationalism was a reformation of National Socialism.
AltRight was a reformation of white nationalism.

All you're doing is getting dragged further left and continue to PRcuck.
It's time to just stand by the whole truth and worldview of fascism.

>Insert obligatory Hoppean argument about physical removal and advocating against the NAP

I don't think Lauren is an authority on the intricacies of libertarianism.

Sup Forums is abnormal and openminded, but we need to influence normal people or we're just going to be an irrelevant little subculture forever

>PRcuck
oh this non-argument again? it's called propaganda and it's the main ingredient in the cakemix called 'winning'

Also it's just not true that natoc is smehow the originpoint of white identitarianism or white nationalism. That's a simply fraudulent idea.

This.

oh it gets much worse for you little cretin.

When the lord returns you get bathed in fire after we ascend...

He is prolly a jew or a mixed race but he seems like a good guy. At least he doesnt seem like the normal smug shill

America was literally founded as a white nationalists explicitly. Hitlerbous btfo.

Wut

My whole agenda is just white empowerment, white unity and the successful growth of white identitarianism with more people.

You know... identity politics for white people.

I am home sick.

I wholly support the idea of a watered down version of the Alt-Right's ideologies, because the only way you're ever going to get the support of the normies or the moderates is by getting rid of "muh adolfo hitler" and "muh based swastika". The American people and the Europeans have, ever since the end of the Second World War, been indoctrinated to think that the holocaust is undeniable truth and that the National Socialists and Fascists were devil incarnate, and recently that the white race falls in line within these groups. You can't confront the moderates head on with all the ideas of the National Socialists or Fascists, you need to ease them in firstly with one idea that sounds reasonable to them and less extreme (in this instance, White Identity/Nationalism/Separatism) while supporting their ideas such as freedom of speech and gun rights. That's when, if you so please, you can introduce other ideas that would've seemed extreme to them.
But to market National Socialism, the same idea they've been taught to hate since pre-k, and thinking this will help advance your cause, is completely idiotic and ignorant. The majority of moderates have no reason to support this idea (yet), but now with the increasing amount of (((reverse))) racism towards whites, they're more susceptible to White Identity.

B-b-but those things are parallel to nazism and it wont give you any traction if you reject nazism

Obviously you dont push it as your agenda or wear swastikas but you talk about the historical lies

Something like david duke

In order for this to work, the normies must accept Hitler wasn't a bad guy. There is no other way out of it.

That doesn't mean they have to idiolize him or see themselves as Nazis, but this is a pill they must swallow.

Where you from

/thread

The only thing necessary to surviving demographic disadvantage is group consciousness. Look at American Blacks, the Boer (Spelling?) in SA, and ironically, Jews lol. The later are 2% of world pop, and only just got their own country. If white people wake up, I'll never be blackpilled again.

white normies don't care abut WW2 revisionism, they care about the antiwhite rhetoric making their lives shittier and want a platform to vent about it and feel morally justified... we need to give them that

This disgusting image was just sent to me by a member of the Alt Right who apparently frequents here (he sent me this picture along with a link to this site and told me to "get redpilled you fucking kike"). Along with this he sent me several pictures of the Holocaust and two of his penis. This was somebody I have only known for a week.

What I'd like to know is why you people act this way? Why do you think it's funny to traumatize people with disgusting pictures and vulgar words? I don't want to insult you all on here because I understand people are the way they are because of certain experiences in their lifes, nobody is born into the world evil but you all need to take a long hard look at yourselves, and realize that something is wrong, I imagine many of you don't have jobs or cars or girlfriends....

I hope you can all just stop what you're doing for one moment and maybe do something positive like clean some dishes or take a shower, instead of posting sick sexual things and plotting a second fucking Holocaust. SERIOUSLY. I seriously BEG OF YOU PEOPLE to just try and be better people, just go outside and meet new people of all genders and colors, I promise that the world is not as scary as you all try to make it out to be, just TRY to work on the racism, the misogyny, and I promise you will see better futures for yourselves.

richard spencer II: please look bad for us: the movie: the game: the animated series

We can literally just rave about how fun Sup Forums is and they'll redpill themselves. Rehabilitation of history works online, but not in person, generally.

This. Anything is possible if we are unified, organized and have a consciousness that matters to us. We must value our peoplehood.

Work on building that now, because it's central to everything we are trying to do.

New pasta

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I think it'll happen organically as soon as identitarians create space. As soon as someone steps into white Identity, it's a gravitational pull.

You drunk mate?

Agreed OP, to all the nazibois here I say this:
Making the argument that we should just be nazis because we are just being pushed left is the same as some communist saying they should just start shouting about how great Stalin was because the mainstream will call them commies either way. We have seen how successful the left has been with Sanders Democratic Socialism's re branding of communism. We should emulate that.

Branding matters
Words matter
Most of all the perception normies have of our movement matters.

We need to shed the nazi brand because the enemy has piled on billions in propaganda against it. Simply calling ourselves 'white advocates' or 'white identitarinas' or 'Alt-Right' sheds most of that propaganda. While the media will still call us Nazis the normies will be more open to hearing our ideas, especially in this environment of media distrust.

We grow stronger when the media calls us Nazis and then people actually talk with members of the movement and see that we don't fit their image of Nazis at all. We aren't the evil genocidal (((holywood))) image of Nazis they had in their head, we are just normal white people like them. The fact that the media is anti-white becomes an almost implicitly accepted red pill at this point.

my number is 9

Will you need the support of the bulk of your people to further your movement and make the 14 words secure, or will you LARP that into reality during a sort of race war turmoil using all the assets in your American "preps"?

If you agree that you will need the support of the bulk of your people to further the movement outside of some race war cataclysm, do you believe that olden times larpy shit is beneficial or a hindrance to gaining normie support?

Dropping fresh pasta. I like it.

>We grow stronger when the media calls us Nazis
...especially when the accusation of Nazi looks bogus, "they'll call us nazis anyway so be nazis" is an argument that strengthens the left's antiwhite agenda

But not the white nationalist movement. That came later.

hammerandanvilmyblog.wordpress.com/2011/05/30/a-brief-history-of-the-white-nationalist-movement/

If the Founders were alive today, they would realize Hitler should've won, and the US should've never gotten involved in the war (or at least not side with communists), just like they didn't in several European wars in the 19th century.

>don't be nazis goyim
>we created this new identity for when you become a minority

>deezcord.gg/rVmqW
Nice honeypot CIA.

Going after the hardcore 14/88ers isn't the solution, if anything you're too worried about PR. The left attacked United the Right in Charlottesville first and there was police let it happened. And now the media is defending the BLM and antifa thugs who attacked the right-wing marchers. Hammering away on the hypocrisy of it all would be a far better way to convince normies of the anti-white agenda.

To me it's pretty fucking simple.
Treat the 88 like "no fap".

Something that is always there, and fundamental, but needs to be fucking reigned in and put under control. Seeing those retards in Charlottesville with their flags was entirely cringe. A raggedy fucking band of larping rabble.

Yup. In this anti-media environment Trump has cultivated for us, we can capitalize on media lies heavily. People are more open now than ever to the idea that the media lies to them and is out to destroy White America.

>They call us Nazis!!
I just call you faggots

This is a shit-tier meme that will confuse and anger people, for no reason. Focusing on WW2 isn't going to redpill people. Stop cucking.

>To me it's pretty fucking simple.
>Treat the 88 like "no fap".
great analogy

It's such a stupid conclusion. I honestly can't tell if the Nazi posters aren't shills. Hell, I heard Andrew "Ban my shit" Anglin say bringing that shit outside edgy parts of the internet is retarded.

you are so fucking stupid, i bet I was literally flying around the astral when you we're even fucking born yet...

our enemies are spread out, think about that, they don't have those camps for nothing...

Personally, I'm full 88. What a man. I watch his speeches at least once a week and cry. But Adolf was no prophet, no messiah. Just a man. If you believe in him for now we can just emulate without explicitly copying.

This isn't 1930s Germany and we need new aesthetics.

Most are edgy kids who think naziposting makes them alpha. The rest are genuine leftwing shills trying to make us look like morons.

Reasonable post. I like Hitler but IRL and online when trying to appeal to normal white people, I won't say so.

this

do you even know what shilling is and how it works?

This is a really good effort. I think the picture is a little too generic though.

Mosley gets me in the feels every damn time. I think It hits me harder because I only speak English.

One can acknowledge WW2 shit in a conversation, but not linger on it and instead stress that this is the current year, and the world and the situation is entirely different. Always stress a positive, forward momentum. "Yeah yeah, the Hitler stuff, I know, but listen, there are real problems in our time we have to deal with, and we are not like those people from history."

Project a positive vibe. Set history aside. Be something new and fresh and non threatening yet strong and inspiringwhen interacting with blue pilled people.

>feel morally justified

And the greatest way to feel morally justified is to realize everything we're taught about white history is wrong, or selectively biased to make us hate ourselves.

When people talk about the Holohoax, I can bring up Jewish Bolsheviks who murdered tens of millions of Europeans in the USSR.

When people talk about slavery, I can talk about Arab slave trade, the Ummayad caliphate, the Ottoman slave trade, the Barbary Slave Trade, how blacks and Jews were the ones who sold the slaves to Americans, how only 6% of the slaves shipped to the new world were shipped to America, how slavery still goes on in Africa, etc.

You can't fix the present without fixing the historical basis for it. I am morally justified because I know "white nationalists" (whether it's "Nazis", "KKK", etc.) have always been the good guys, and the only reasons we don't think that is because Jews have always controlled our media and controlled our narrative. If you don't realize that, you will always be put on the defensive like cuckservatives, you will always have to apologize, moderate yourself and make concessions, you will always be scared of Fed plant pretending to be "Nazis", etc.

On point.

Nobody listens to anybody. All individuals do is group together with other similar individuals.

If you want to be a force for change, be an example, a specimen. Don't waste your time trying to rally up supporters on a Cambodian Coupon Clipboard.

Won't happen, most normies hear the word Hitler and their brains just shut off. It's a total roadblock.

You need to keep it under the surface though. I hate to bring up muh optics, but it is actually pretty important. Normies shut down if you try to cleans them of to much propaganda at once. Let them become sympathetic to our cause, then we can slowly strip them of their Jewish programing.

>The left attacked United the Right in Charlottesville first and there was police let it happened.
>Hammering away on the hypocrisy of it all would be a far better way to convince normies of the anti-white agenda.
These are very good points, to which I have no clue why more people aren't spreading awareness to these facts. There was too much corruption going on that day and none of it was from the attendees. Few people have actually called out the fact that the organizers had a permit to assemble in the city and that the Mayor unlawfully forced the Alt-Right to disperse. But this constantly gets shoved under the carpet in mass-media, I wonder (((why))).

this

It triggers an emotional clusterfuck that they themselves do not have control over. It is just icky and dark and terrible and confusing and..away...away with it! Away with everything like it...
So what is the point of lingering on history. Especially dark parts of it. Better to separate the idea of white identity politics from the olden days. It SHOULD be it's "own thing". It is logic.

In Europe we have strong, inspiring optics with the Spartan symbol and the like. Hard liners in my country as I'm sure you know, use pic related.

Piss off KIKE.

The JQ is a discussion that should only happen internally. Even the nazis kept the debate on what to do with the Jews internal, and they did not all agree on what to do.

Jewish influence can be discussed a little more openly though.

>National Socialists you can keep your toxic ideology to yourselves, but you need to drop the TOXIC branding.

Why not let the Nazis continue to be toxic, and make your own movement separate from them?

By having people more extreme than you, it will make you look reasonable by comparison, and prevent people from calling you nazis, as you can just point to the people right of you and say, "THOSE are Nazis, I'm just X".

Seems better.

....

something to think about, for sure

are you from reddit?

Instead of telling people what we're not, we need to start telling people what we are.

whynotboth

>the instant invite is invalid or has expired

sorry, my discord issues are getting fixed

I'll re-post this on another day, and probably have the correct link by then. Sorry, user.

So identity Evropa essentially ?

nope, but I support IE, they are briddy gud

I was listening to Red Ice today, and they had the new Identity Evropa leader on. Sounds similar to what OP is proposing.

A lot of people are realizing this at the same time. Charlottesville was a wakeup call because it forced our mindset out of the internet and and to take a new look at the world.

i hope you understand when it really happens, apologies for any future inconvenience, I mean it would be sad if this was all just a ruse after all...

Can anyone explain to me why as American right wing nationalists we ever wasted time defending and identifying with foreigners from eighty years ago that have nothing to do with us or our current situation? Why the fuck did Nazism ever have to enter the conversation at all?

What happens in your world are a collection of ideas, the idea of time being the most damning one.