Why are some idiots online arguing for UBI?

It seems like there's a recent rise of these people, or are they all Soros shills?

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They realized that directly advocating for Communism backfires in the US so they changed tactics.

What's UBI?

nigger gibs

universal basic income

a small group of men are enslaved
everyone else eats
a smaller group of jews know this and want it this way

One of your victory conditions.

>b-b-but jews are rich! they pay taxes! that makes them slaves too!
add up all the taxes jews have paid. not enough to run this system
white males must be enslaved for this system to work

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Along with what immigration-standard?

Honestly? Because I'm tired of working and seeing how some damn ape mudslime "refugees" leech off my damned retarded hopeless country dry, yet they get no responsibilities or obligations for that money handed. This country is already impossible to change without a second coming of Hitler because the population is so chastised about feeling the tiniest of pride for their culture that it's impossible for a nationalist to ever rise in politics.

Therefore, since I'm a very frugal person and my hobbies are non-reliant on money, I'd rather just get UBI and dedicate the reminder of my life trying to be happy and stop worrying about the all-but-guaranteed self-destruction of Europe.

Because anyone who understands the future total automation of industry will have to at least consider UBI.

It sucks, it's dehumanizing, but when we're all ruled by a giant super computer guiding our every move, it might just be the best option.

t. horseshoe maker that lives next to mercedes benz in 1899

Definitely shills whose shills idk but they have been pushing this UBI nonsense nonstop for a couple of days now out of no where

>have wages DECREASED since inception of minimum wage in the 70's due to INFLATION

>corporate profits all time high, modern productivity over 20 times previous generation due to automation and other technology

>all time low percent of population has savings and healthcare is a debt lottery

>money from a meager UBI gets put into debt payments and the ever present required expenditures

economy

Can anybody give me solid arguments against it?
I know that obviously it will cause inflation, and that over time it will likely make no difference, but beyond that I can't find a whole lot.
In the US it would cost about 7 billion dollars, which is much lower than the cost of food stamps (78 billion).
Any solid sources would be great as well.

libertards have been (((conned))) into thinking UBI might be implemented by cutting other welfare programs and decreasing overhead administrative costs without increasing taxes, so that's why they like it

in reality UBI is pushed by people looking for gibs and their shitlib enablers, while (((they))) want it so they can have a majority of the population who are hopelessly dependent on (((them)))

Communism. Gotta change the word to keep it fresh.

poors money go right into economy

no such thing as shills, god you people are fucking paranoid, why not go full tinfoil an head over to godlikeproductions

>let's give people who are bad with money more money
Spending doesn't create prosperity. Prosperity comes from an increased standard of living which comes from increased wealth which comes from increased productivity. To increase productivity you need capital investment which comes from savings. So you need savings and capital investment not spending.

>7 billion dollars
321,000,000 inhabitants x $500 a month = $160,500,000,000 (160 billion dollars)
321,000,000 inhabitants x $1000 a month = $321,000,000,000 (321 billion dollars)

Sure, it's just rough numbers, so please correct me if I'm wrong. Where are you getting this 7 billion number?

Accout only for those who are over the age of 21.

because they want a totalitarian socialist state to develop... like in Venezuelan.
that 1000 a month UBI will be worth 1000% less once inflation sets in.

>spending doesn't create prosperity

∆Y=∆G+(1-m-s)∆G

Not every person gets it. It would go by your monthly income what percent of UBI you receive.
If you work part time you wouldn't get the full amount.

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Also, sorry I may be off a bit on my calculation.
I checked it out a few days ago, I don't remember the exact numbers I came up with.
21 is being generous, I know many have said 18, but I've heard 21 as well.
When I came up with it, I accounted only for welfare (social security, medicaid, etc), not food stamps.
After looking up food stamps, that plus the cost of welfare was lower.
Also I'm horrible at math not involving powers of two, or subnetting, so good chance I could be off.

How does spending create prosperity?

>or subnetting
so you're basically a tech nerd version of those communists who advocate for an honest to god comeback of the soviet union on the basis that they would (of course) be a card carrying member of the party?

Leftists who just want to do drugs all day

check out the formula I wrote and try to recall your basic macroeconomic variables

>Keynesian macroeconomics
No thanks.

so the idea is to abolish absolutely all existing social programs and government gibs and replace it with UBI exclusively? and this is funded entirely by taxation of whom?

dumb as bricks, UBI is literally slavery.

UBI is the final step before the culling. The masses grow complacent and fat addicted to their daily entertainment. They lose their hardiness and willpower to fight. A people that will be trivial to cleanse from this Earth

Africa is basically UBI-land today, if only their goverments weren't so corrupt and hoarded the money, half of Africans would have stayed at home and died childless

Definitely not a communist faggot.
I've just been trying to read up on arguments against UBI, and the Internet hasn't offered strong enough arguments.
I don't know much about economics, but I know a freer market benefits my line of business.

i'm not saying you're a communist, i'm saying that you're assuming that UBI is just something that you can advocate, with the assumption that you're not going to be affected by it. i see this with a lot of tech faggots, they all seem to think that since they know C++, they're never going to lose their job due to "automation", so they can sit back and laugh with indignation at all of the "brainlets" that are going to lose their jobs and live in poverty.

Idk, same reason that porn is all of the sudden like 50% incest vids.
There are agendas at work.

funded by debt of course ;^)

the only that you should know is that you will be dependent on the state. and being dependent on someone else is a big no-no

Isn't universal basic income essentially welfare and food stamps?

If you need a handout it should be for food and utilities. That is it.

UBI is a way to "even the playing field" for idiots, that can't take control of their own lives, or take care of themselves.

Urinary back infection

Gotcha, no I'm not saying that at all.
I'm just curious about it. I know full well that I can be affected by automation.

but it's egalitarian, and they will probably give out "bonus money" for those we need a quick buck, expect they will have to work like slaves. and what do you think will happen to all the niggers and spics who can't fathom the future? it's literally slavery for the stupid

who need*

You are referring to a short-run solow model. Long-run growth is not sustained by capital investment or increased savings rates.
Long-run growth is determined by the Romer-style models that incorporate the growth in ideas and knowledge as the driver of long-run prosperity.

Because minimum wage and welfare either cause a welfare trap or constitute price fixing that harms the economy by increasing the price of labor without decreasing the supply.

Satan, please, I don't want communism

Damn, women would be better served as property...

yes, but the LHS is the independent variable and the RHS varies

There are two kinds of people in this world - people who work because they have to, and people who work because they want to, and the former vastly outnumber the latter.

The argument I hear most often from supporters of UBI to suggest that it's even a viable concept is that it would be a supplement, rather than complete welfare (see ). People who work part time or even full time at a low enough wage would be compensated by a certain percent or whatever. But this argument completely ignores human nature with regards to the two groups mentioned above: If people who want to work don't have to work, they'll still work. If people who have to work don't have to work, most will probably choose not to, which means even if UBI is intended to only be a supplement, it will invariably become total-welfare. More and more people will leave the workforce, which ultimately puts a heavier burden on the people who actually want to work.

Some are indeed well-meaning idiots, who because they don't yet understand where money comes from (having been indoctrinated by the culture of gibs) sincerely think it could work.

Most are advance minions for the Faceberg 2020 campaign, which is itself part of the Zionist push to have the 2024 Presidential election be Zuckerberg vs Kushner - thus ensuring a President who is Jewish, Israeli, Zionist.

Think of UBI as the piece of bacon wrapped around the poison pill of slavery. Most dogs haven't yet figured it out.

So you're saying SkyNet is going to bribe us instead of fight us?

You're not wrong...

But still, it seems unlikely. I mean, if it got to the point where people would surrender autonomy to a program or something artificial, that would remove their status and make them a number? It's playing chicken.having that much control would take away the ability to exert it, no?

cry more because hitler was a failure. its sooooo good to watch

You completely missed the point if the post. I'm jewish.

in what part of a slice of bacon do you put a pill?

i know you put yours on the tip of your dildo before plunging your asshole, but the dogs...?

dude free money lmao

BTFO

Most people are happier with a purpose not just check. And figuring out how to give everyone a purpose is going to be very hard in the automation revolution.
Ubi will only work in a post scarcity world.

People like to steal shit. They like it even better when someone else steals it for them.

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>Can anybody give me solid arguments against it?
>I know that obviously it will cause inflation, and that over time it will likely make no difference, but beyond that I can't find a whole lot.

Useless and expensive what more do you need?

>culling
This is absolutely the right word.

"Culling" is probably the most important word and concept humanity can learn right now - since once the Zionists have final and complete control the Great Culling will indeed begin.

so quit your bitching and move?

Fuck you capitalist dog, someone has to pay for me. You will be enslaved mongrel!

Wrap a pill in bacon or sneak it into a treat. Easiest way to give a dog medication. For cats, mix meds in with a can of wet food or diffuse liquid meds into a bowl of milk.

UBI would balance out the income distribution inequality in the US. Per capita GDP PPP is 57K which is almost first in the world, not including microstates and heavily taxed countries like Norway or oil middle east places, but its median household income is only 44K, pretty much on par with every country in Europe and Canada. Americans could have 10Kmore per person than anybody from the western countries if UBI were implemented.

Move where? It's all the same, that's exactly my point, that there is no hope. They won. It's over. Liberals and its puppeteers are hell-bent in destroying culture.

>Can anybody give me solid arguments against it?

1) Everyone gets an extra $1,000 a month.
2) Businesses increases prices in response.
3) Literally nothing happens except more money in circulation.

Whoever you're arguing may then suggest that the gov't force businesses to not increases prices, lol.

>gadsen flag
>low IQ post
I hate both but you're genuinely stage 4 mentally retarded for conflating the two.

Yep. There had better be zero low-end jobs left that need doing, because literally no one will sign up to shelve Irish Spring at CVS for 8 hours a day when they've got a monthly government check that covers everything.

Then think of the class resentment that's going to result from this society. The different voting blocs will essentially be waging soft warfare on each other.

culture is a term used to define the human interaction regarding achievement. quit crying and realize that not all concepts fit your flawed finite ideaology

>UBI is literally slavery
Yes. "Universal Basic Income" is what owners give slaves and animals.

UBI is intended to breed people who cannot feed themselves, and must thus follow the orders of their masters...or starve.

>culture is a term used to define the human interaction regarding achievement.

what did he mean by this

>different voting blocs will essentially be waging soft warfare on each other
Divide and rule changes costume but never form.

Remind them that UBI was, at first, only meant to get some safety net going without high upkeep associated with safety nets. Since the beginning it was about replacing "traditional" welfare, while not raising the costs of it.

The advantages of it were as follows:
>administrative costs of UBI in comparison to other welfare forms are low
>it performs wealth redistribution thing(the rich will pay more taxes but UBI will be relatively small sum, while the poor, paying less taxes will receive the same sum that for them will be relatively larger)
>it creates safety net without creating welfare queens - there is no way the money you get through it will be enough to let you live on a decent level with it, but if you accidentally lose a job you aren't going to starve or go bankrupt because of it - giving you some time to get your shit together.

The obvious disadvantage is(assuming the idea of having some sort of welfare isn't enough of a disadvantage for you) is that as soon as you'll introduce you, human trash will start complaining that they can't sustain themselves with just UBI(as in - that it's working as intended).

So 4 trillion a year, from a government that generates 1.5 trillion in taxes is acceptable?

Not to mention that you have to pay for other stuff outside of UBI like roads and military.

I guess it's pointless to argue with the kind of person that is to blame. Enjoy the future I guess.

Businesses have no reason to increase price because they're not getting their costs increased. What you've said works for minimum wage.

UBI is only supposed to be enough to keep people from being homeless and hungry.

The idea is that a lot of people will still choose to work, just maybe not as many hours.
People can definitely find purpose in hobbies, charities, etc.
Most people don't like their boring, menial jobs anyway, so they don't exactly get a sense of purpose from it.

I admit it won't work until automation/robotics is a lot more advanced than it currently is though. We'll be lucky if it gets sufficiently advanced in our lifetimes.
That or we could just go back to nigger slaves instead of machine slaves.

If you think the elites are going to give away free money instead of letting people starve to death you haven't been on this planet long.

I mean who's going to lend you that kind of money. Would you lend money to someone who is like "Yeah dude, my I earn 30k/yr, but I can totally pay you back in the next 10 years if you give me 9 million dollars"?

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niggers going to spend it in five days and then they will have to slave away in factories for cents

wish you could too.

They do the same with other welfare so... yeah.

More accurately, it's pointless to argue with a shill. Learn to recognize disinformation and not waste energy on it.

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>poland knows economics?

Jokes aside thats preaty much on point.
The point of UBI is not to give gibs to everyone but to replace the stupidly retarded welfare system with something simple and as unabusable as possible.
Who ever argues for ubi over the current welfare is a commie. who ever argues to replace all welfare with UBI is not.

yeah lol, but this time they will have to do it voluntarily. it will solve also the drug problem to a degree and violence because these niggers will have to actually work for a living. chimping out won't help them forever, the jews don't take kindly to disobedient slaves

The primary reason that UBI might make sense to some people is that automation is eventually going to replace most, if not all human jobs. There's a lot of people out there too dumb to do anything other than manual labor or service jobs. It's not really their fault either. IQ is a bell curve, so as George Carlin has quite astutely pointed out, "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." Jordan B. Peterson gave a great lecture on the kinds of problems we might see with all of the low IQ jobs disappearing, and I'd recommend you'd watch it:

youtube.com/watch?v=fjs2gPa5sD0

Now, when you start to realize that maybe half of the population is going to be incapable of working because a robot can do their job better, while simultaneously realizing that this is going to eliminate a lot of scarcity, it's easy to see why people might argue UBI might be a good idea. Unfortunately, we don't have any studies that could show how effective this might actually be (it could very well make the problem worse).

how is the whole ignorance is bliss thing working?

Thanks for the article, I'll give it a read.

why would state give universal basic income if the state can subsidy some products so they effectively cost $0 ?

is it just to piss off paleo-capitalists?

its disappointing that you would say all culture is dead and you cant live anywhere. have you ever lived in other countries? some are really nice in places.

fpbp
now they're saying "GIVE EVERYONE FREE MONEY AND WATCH THE ECONOMY GROW"
same old soup reheated, really

dependance on the state is the greatest power they have. one of the reasons why china is building all those cities and almost literally burning wepons every other day

The point is that people too stupid to work are few, so we can afford to give them a free living, but an UNIVERSAL free living? In an utopian future where machines do all the work maybe, but not now, not here and not before at least half a century.

UBI fags don't advocate for free living in 50 or 100 years, they are asking for a free living right now.

the idea is that instead of having a huge bureaucracy that administers money where its """""needed""""" on an individual basis you could just hand it out indiscriminately
the sad part is that the current system is so wasteful this might actually be true