Very bad weekend for altright Molymeme fans. First he gets btfo by Kraut and Tea and now even Destiny has btfo his last book with complete 1st grade logic.
Altright mass suicide when?
Very bad weekend for altright Molymeme fans. First he gets btfo by Kraut and Tea and now even Destiny has btfo his last book with complete 1st grade logic.
Altright mass suicide when?
Molymeme on suicide watch
I'm very happy to have no idea what you're even talking about
This seems to be an issue of semantics.
>Kind people are socialist
Its unclear whether this means all kind people or most kind people. I will give it to destiny sure, if its all kind people it is in fact a true statement.
The problem is he goes right below this to...
>All men are immortal
>Socrates is a man
>Socrates is immortal
He claims this is false, which is exactly the same example of the one above. The statement would indeed be true by his reasoning.
This is clearly destiny ad-hoc attacking Molymeme for views. He contradicts himself in under 20 seconds. The only possible explanation is that Destiny deems logical to mean realistic. Otherwise it just looks like a plainly contradictory statement.
>premiseses
Wow Steven the second of the Bonnell dynasty is such an enlightened intellectual
annnnnd its fucking nothing
the only reason this video exist is because he doesnt like him right off the bat. you should see how he listen religiously to contra point shitty videos and agrees with all of it like a drone even though he videos are childish and intellectually bankrupt only because he's ''on his side''
you really should find yourself other figures to look up to than a divorced league of legend player
>Kraut and
Stopped reading, next
>destiny
That guy who got his face caved in by holocaust-denying lolbertarian Jew-Hater injun Ryan Dawson?
That Destiny? The one who went two hours without making a single point in his own defence with a guy who thinks Israel runs the US government?
Destiny's opinion is painfully low IQ.
>didn't read any philosophy, ever
>claims he knows more than molyneux
His problem right there. His presupposition was that he's a step above molymeme when he's multiple steps below. Every critique he had is addressed right there on screen.
molymeme cocksuckers
Remember when Destiny said the US should invade and carpet bomb Mexico?
That's the only good thing he said.
And he didn't even say it on purpose
So molymeme got one tiny thing wrong in his book? Whats the big deal?
They are both retarded and have never studied discrete mathematics
Remember when Destiny got his shit pushed in by Metokur? I 'member
Its unforgettable
Hot take: Molymeme is a laughable lolbertarian and Destiny is a cucky manlet. Both are trash-tier.
>e-celebs: not even once
...
Why should anyone care about this e celeb drama?
@140107948 thx for the you
>molyneux doesn't know the basics of deductive reasoning
that's pretty retarded
no he's talking about "soundness" which is actually an important term in deductive reasoning
read this iep.utm.edu
>got one tiny thing wrong
nigger this is some very important basic shit about the entire foundation that logic is built on
a lot of people ITT seem to have never followed a Logic 101 course, but this is a really bad mistake on Stefans part
I don't even like Destiny, he's a cringy cuck, but on this he's absolutely right
1) Kind people are socialist
2) Bob is a kind person
3) Therefore Bob is a socialist
This is literally the same example as the swimming one. How deep in cognitive dissonance is destiny that he doesn't see it
He literally read it "All kind people are socialist"
fucking twice
ITS IN FRONT OF HIS FACE
what the fuck destiny
what?? Mr. Redditur got BTFO by Destiny
at least refute their arguments
Then he reads
"all people are immortal > Socrates is immortal"
which is valid since all people all immortal
And spergs out again
no, the first premise is reversed
it would be the same if it was "All socialists are kind people"
yes it's valid, but molyneux says it's sound, which it isn't
not really
the structure of this example is
if k in Kind(set relation), k in Soc
B in Kind
therefore B in Soc
which is a perfectly sound deductive argument
the first one on the other hand is
if p in Plumb(set relation), p in Swim
B in Swim
therefore B in Plumb
which is reversed and wrong
I don't like this starved homo but he is right here
>perfectly sound
NO
it's VALID
sound is when an argument is valid and the premises are true
...
yeah I meant sound in the informal way aka valid
the whole thing was just ryan educating destiny on basic history
can you explain how
>Destiny, he's absolutely right
Who is this lanky nerd and why should I care?
can you read my previous posts?
Stefan reverses the definitions for valid and soung arguments, in a book titled "art of an argument"
>Very bad weekend for altright Molymeme fans. First he gets btfo by Kraut and Tea and now even Destiny has btfo his last book with complete 1st grade logic.
Shaun and Jen also BTFO of him the other week too. Top kek, Molymeme really has lost the plot recently. Why do you think this is is? Has the fame/success just gotten to his head?
>lanky
destiny is a midget
Nobody cares who any of those people you just named are. They are faggy youtubers. Worth absolutely nothing
at 2:46 he completely loses it, and claims that something he just read out, is not actually in the book lol
So it's a debate of semantics between the meaning of the word sound vs the word true, and this is supposed to invalidate the whole book?
>shaun and jen
come on, son
1. nowhere did i say the entire book was invalid
2. if you write a book on arguments and you don't know your definitions surrounding arguments, you're a fucking idiot and people should point it out
It didn't say ALL kind people are socialists.
Destiny would have failed philosophy.
...
this destiny guy is so passive aggressive I can't handle it. He must be the product of a single mother.
lol what a meme
so a bunch of delusional lefties and (((skeptics))) are trying to tear down the molymeme machine
god leftypol is pathetic, do you guys have even a modicum of self-awareness?
Is this a joke ? This guy on the video dosne't understand the point the guy that wrote the book was trying to make..
Man, americans are so fking dumb lmao.
Molymeme is clumsy and destiny is stupid
which has nothing to do with deductive reasoning and is a completely retarded thing to say
god why are these pseudo intellectual youtubers given so much attention?
who cares
If you dont get the difference between those two, i dont think theres help for you
destiny is trying to bait molymeme into an argument
destiny would get absolutely BTFO so i hope it happens but moly generally has better people to talk to than some washed up edgelord
can SOMEBODY stop this madman?
What are you even talking about, there coudnt be anything more elementary
agreed XD le uboat ftw!
>my wife's son dwarf btfo anyone
stop this threads destiny nobody cares about you
not an argument
oh i thought you highlighted the one above that, i read over it
the problem with your comparison is that in the first example, Bob is being compared to the later part of the implication, whereas in the second example he's compared to the first part
if all kind people are socialists, and bob is a kind person, he must be a socialist according to the argument, making the conclusion valid.
that's the problem: it's not logically sound, it's logically valid
it would be sound if the premises were true
This is like arguing with one of my friends who is die-hard climate scientist believer, he says I don't believe in science because I don't believe in climate change even though many times I point out how there's not enough statistics to prove their theory.
He thinks climate science is all sciences.
Meanwhile he spends his days drooling over owning a fucking Tesla which he can never afford since he still owes $30k on his BMW 328i which he got suckered into financing for 7 years.
Literally who ?
>30 yo video game addicted manchild doesn't understand basic philosophical works
color me surprised
>destiny is a midget
nice meme
destiny got destroyed by sargon hes a joke
MOLYMEME HAS BEEN...
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>the comments on shaun's videos
jesus these people are pretentious, and don't seem to realize they're just as deep into a cult as they say the molymeme fans are
its amazing how much it triggers lefties that people are able to accept completely different axioms from them
He says the structure is logically sound, not the argument.
He doesnt say all kind people, are you Destiny? he seemed to add words to suit his argument too
his point is that moly main criticism of the first 3 points was not the incorrect deductive logic as much as the fact that the first premise is wrong, so you can't argue that molymeme doesn't understand logic101
you can argue that that fragment of the book is badly written and ambiguous and the chapter's title is misleading and i would agree
Destiny is the most legit youtuber.
In terms of debate he pretty much shreds any of the others.
wow a youtube thread how interesting
how's little nathan doing? don't see him much anymore do you? lmao desu
this
It did imply that though, all is just something that would reaffirm it.
when you say "kind people" in an argumentative claim, it's not so crazy to assume you're saying "all kind people", especially considering the context
even if he meant "some", his mistake is not explicitly saying that
>he says the structure is logically sound
BUT IT ISN'T
READ
TL;DR a sophist who does not know what Sophism is.
>This is the state of mind of the liberal.
Ffs can we go one hour without a destiny circlejerk session, he's a worthless bearded sack of shit.
>shaun and jen
Destiny has really opened my eyes to how uneducated, misinformed, and idiotic most alt-right/right-wingers really are. He has won every debate against all the famous right-wing advocates he has come up against and even made most of them salty as hell, like Jim and Ape. He even managed to stop Naked Ape in less than 30 minutes in his debate and has shown how immature Ape really is. Really? Shut up, shut up, shut up? Pathetic. Now I'm back to being a Leftie, because it is the logical, rational position to take, thanks to Destiny. Sup Forums is just a bunch of cucks with the illusion of rationality, morality, and sanity.
Destiny is fucking based I don't know what Sup Forumss problem with him is
wtf Im with her now
i expect a 45 minute video response from moly
Ah yes steve 'lets send sorties into mexico and carpet bomb them to deal with the cartel to help their economy' bonnell
In philosophy it's not about implications. You can't add in words that aren't there to make a valid argument. It's there or it isn't. Destiny doesn't know what he is talking about. That's the worst part of pseudintellectuals because it spreads to all of his followers. At least he prefaces it with not having taken a logic class.
Maybe it will help you to understand
If it was written this way:
Socialist are kind people
Bob is kind
Bob is a socialist
I would argue its the exact same thing molymeme said
I know, I'm by no means a fan of their content.
Not an argument. Take a break from posting, you're here 24/7/365.
Nice shill thread shariablue
"i would argue"
well you'd be fucking wrong wouldn't you
which one is the redditor though
are they both reddit boys?
>liberal cuck.
>"Is incest wrong?"
>also, manlet supreme. The Munchkins from Wizard of Oz tower over this guy.
look at those fucking arms jesus christ
How much do you get payed to shill for this irrelevant nigger?
sage
>destiny is a midget
Who is this guy exactly, what is his origin story?
nice edit
5'7
when will they learn
Can someone honestly explain why anyone should give a single fuck about what Destiny says
In other words, it basically says that being a socialist is part of being kind.
Now if somebody is kind he can also be other things too in addition that's true but the person would have to be a socialist.
>some gamer btfos moly
>b-but he's short!
kek