What do you think the minimum wage should be?

What do you think the minimum wage should be?

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Minimum wage laws are socialist, there should be no such law

$0 the market will decide the minimum wage.

It should not exist

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If you want more money, make yourself worth more to an employer.
Those who can't will subsequently starve themselves to death slowly, be unable to raise a family, and therefore be bred out.

Low enough to dissuade anyone 25+ from working there except if you're a real and good manager.

Low enough to pay for slurpee's and video games, but nothing more.

Increase minimum wage, but cut employment regulations.

I personally think it should be $25

There shouldn't be a minimum wage. If you're incompetent, then you deserve to get paid a shit wage.

Found the libertarian who forgot about post civil war America. I'm sure you would just love pinkerton armies and company stores too.

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wow, theres actually some reasonable ppl here

kek
M = [Current minimum wage]
I = [Ideal minimum wage]
X = [Whatever the progressives think is a livable income]
I = M + (X - M)

And yes, once the equation has been solved, it remains true. So it's recursive. They will never stop complaining, so we just keep running it until they shut up. Which they never do.

I honestly don't understand idiots like
who unironically think people should be paid NOTHING for a job. Fucking retards

for anyone who is actually interested in what kind of people are working minimum wage jobs instead of getting their info from meme infographics

bls.gov/opub/reports/minimum-wage/2016/pdf/home.pdf

6 gorillion shekels

I can never tell if this level of same fagging is intentional, next level troll shit, or if it's faggot shills, or if it's just idiots.

>raise minimum wage to $15
>everything is now more expensive
>companies invest more in automation, eliminating minimum wage jobs
>actual jobs drop entire economic tiers because of raised prices (i.e.: $35 an hour is now lower class)
>doesn't impede illegal workers because they never got minimum wage anyway

How about we make the minimum wage zero dollars and you fuck off back to Trudeauland?

>In all of human history, wealth was never created before governments mandated a minimum wage

$15/half hour

so I=X you dumb ass?

-$0.99

They should be paying me for valuable work experience to put on their résumé and for just work experience in general. I fucking hate having to pay all these people who are either mentally ill, manchildren, or teenagers who're probably just gonna spend it on crack.

Eliminate the minimum wage and establish a basic income.

Yeah, but you're missing the point if you simplify it.

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The only reason that the average age of someone working for minimum wage is 30 something is because of really old people looking for a part time or supplementary job. The minimum wage takes opportunities away from low skilled workers who are disproportionately minorities or youths and gives those opportunities to people who are more likely to be better off. Low skilled workers are rarely worth, for instance, 15 dollars an hour and so will find it more difficult to climb the socio-economic ladder if a higher minimum wage was put into place. Moreover, economic mobility is more important than a high minimum wage.

> pic related
In all seriousness it should be $10.00/hour

>everything is now more expensive
how? you're literally getting more money from jobs
>companies invest more in automation, eliminating minimum wage jobs
why would they?
>actual jobs drop entire economic tiers because of raised prices (i.e.: $35 an hour is now lower class)
no, it raises economic tiers. $15 becomes middle class
>doesn't impede illegal workers because they never got minimum wage anyway
lol nice racist comeback
>How about we make the minimum wage zero dollars and you fuck off back to Trudeauland?
how about fuck you idiot for thinking its okay to pay $0 to someone to work
no, it was created before govts mandated a minimum wage. it was just that there were so little people that were wealthy because people were paid minimum wage. if you get paid more for a job then you get more money.
idiots
samefag

0. Abolish it.Our high minimum wage is slowly killing France.
please save us we literally have to import electricity now that's how fucked our country is

>who unironically think people should be paid NOTHING for a job. Fucking retards

Zero minimum wage doesn't mean they won't be paid anything! It means the employer won't be required to pay a minimum amount. The employee will take the job if they both agree that it's fair pay, simple as that.

If we make it a million dollars an hour then there will be no more poor people!

No minimum wage, what are you a commie?

>>doesn't impede illegal workers because they never got minimum wage anyway
>lol nice racist comeback

He's absolutely right though, it's an obvious financial incentive to hire illegals.

this, no minimum wage means the globalists can charge their own price for labor

1. I think the min. wage should be enough to cross the poverty threshold, at least.
2. Adjusting for inflation, some states' min. wage is above the rate.
3. If we abolish min. wage and have a free-market style negotiation, I do fear that it'll be a race to the bottom by corporations and cuts out certain populations [teenagers, specifically] from gaining experience since a desperate adult can/will undercut them.

> checks flag
Opinion discarded come back when you learn about economics

If people don't get paid living wages (~12-15 dollar/hour), what is their incentive to get a decent legal job? They will become drug peddlers, whores, anything outside the law, etc.

A million dollars is obviously incredibly stupid, but paying people such low amounts that they need government handouts or illegal activity to be able to live is just as retarded.

killing france? you guys are being paid more for a job. how stupid are you?
>be in the middle of nowhere
>the only job you can get is at this one store
>this one store pays its workers $0.01
What about this case? Now employees (or in this case literal SLAVE OWNERS) can pay their workers for literally nothing, and they are forced to work in that place. udder idiots these days i cant believe it
oh look, another idiot
see, these people get it.
>hurr durr i dunno how to refute his argument
>ill just point to his flag lol what an argument
what a fucking retard. what ""books"" about economics have you even read?

>Commies think that no regulation of minimum pay means no pay
Work existed before government said so, you know.

>Being this unaware of economics
People work to create things.
Those things have a value
The value is based on the work necessary to create them, and the other material costs
If you increase the cost of work, the total cost of the product also increases
If this happens to all work, all products' cost increases
This causes the cost of raw materials to increase as well, as it takes work to extract and process them.

You might have noticed that candy bars are now ~$0.80. 10 years ago they were only $0.50. That raise in price happened for a reason. The reason is inflation, and raising the minimum wage is one of the most direct ways of causing inflation.

your problem is mostly the vacation laws, higher minimum wage won't decrease national productivity but massive striking and vacation times sure will.

you realize until about 350 years ago a middle class didn't even fucking exist right?
it was litterally rich royalty and nobles and dirt poor people everywhere else.

Government handouts create more low paying jobs

On the other hand, it might incentivize people to become legal because they can get paid so much more. It works both ways.

I'm glad we agree.

there is no economic mobility you idiot. the rich have only gotten fewer and number and richer over the years. the most anyone can hope for is to land a good degree and know someone who can get you into a good job

>Minimum wage laws are socialist, there should be no such law

minimum wage will go up by itself when the illegals are gone.

There should be no minimum wage.

Good Lord this board is turning into a socialist nightmare.

>how? you're literally getting more money from jobs
>why would they?
>lol nice racist comeback

this is subpar trolling

but allowing employers to set the price of labor won't work either, unless collective bargaining is allowed. Minimum wage is essentially people collectively bargaining for higher wages via government (demanding with votes instead of strikes). Labor needs to have the ability to enforce their desires, in order to keep labor as a consuming class and a producing class, instead of falling into the gilded age trap of basically serfdom. Productivity increases when there is a spending middle class

It should be raised but only with all blacks and all illegals being removed from the country violently or otherwise

minimum wage is cancer, you over value jobs and undervalue others, if it's too overvalued then youre unemployed

except in reality corporations already own the market and theres no one else who can afford to give higher wages because theyre struggling to compete with all the bullshit that comes from being a little guy. theres no fighting power that doesnt come from socialism and unions when it comes to worker negotiation for wages. it doesnt exist.

What I love about threads like this is all of the white nationalist types come out and defend shit wages and corporate enslavement. Then they'll go one thread down and piss and moan about how white people are being phased out. Nothing sucks the fertility out of people like higher wages. The more money you spread around to anyone, the less they reproduce. They instead spend all day thinking about how they can fuck each other over in the workplace and climb the corporate ladder.

You hate them niggers and spics? Give them a suit and tie and tell them to hump a desk job for more money and watch how quickly their families start to shrink. Play the long game. Truth is though, you're not really worried about these other people coming in and taking their jobs. You're worried that once you lose your niche, there wont be another opportunity for you because the economy is weak. Want the economy to be stronger? Demand livable wages, strong government, regulate properly and stop sucking the dicks of your corporate masters.

>>be in the middle of nowhere
>>the only job you can get is at this one store
This is just an unrealistic situation that the *only* job you can get, even in the middle of nowhere, is to work at one fictitious business.
>>this one store pays its workers $0.01
>What about this case?
Well, if the worker thinks that the value of their work is 1 cent per hour, then go for it.

Your whole scenario is completely contrived and faulty.

You might not like it, but this is what peak retardation looks like

No minimum wage =\= zero wage you dumb ass commie

Exactly 0$

yeah and before government regulation most of that work fucking killed you in 20 years making shitty mercury clocks for people more rich than you could even imagine

>t. commie

well guess what? whats gonna stop the greedy employers from making the products even expensive despite that? retard
idiot
no it isnt. im pretty sure there are places like that everywhere. But what about this scenario then? What if every fucking company only offered to pay people one cent? retard
comming from a jew

You have to track individuals over their lifetime. Most people move up the economic ladder over their lifetimes (sometimes in only as much as 10 years).

Just because there are rich people doesn't mean individuals within classes don't move around. This is part of the reason older people are more represented in the upper classes.

>"...Think people should be paid NOTHING for a job."
>Should be paid NOTHING for a job.
>Paid NOTHING for a job.
>Paid NOTHING
>Paid
>Communist flag.

What are you bitching about, faggot? Your ideology would literally abolish wages, EVERYONE would do be stuck doing a job for no pay!

Relative to the price of living cost. The issue with things like minimum wage is that they only increase it with inflation so that ultimately real wage doesn't actually go up with it.
With immigrants and females being added to the work force without bringing in more jobs you find yourself with an overabundance of low-skilled workers and not enough jobs leaving your government to foot the bill.

Force females back into the kitchen and remove the free trade of labour and in theory businesses would actually have to pay a decent amount to the men working since there is no longer such a large excessive of low skill workers.

Feminism was an economic mistake.

>I didn't pay attention in history class
It was absolute fucking carnage and hell on earth when we didn't have a minimum wage. The US will literally turn into a third world country.

Not being a literal slave.

1 billion dollars so we can all be filthy rich! What could possibly go wrong?

>except in reality corporations already own the market
This is only true if a worker can't think of a way into the market on their own.

The problem with the current minimum wage is that folks are working full time and still qualifying for social programs such as SNAP and TANF. These business are socializing the cost of labor onto the taxpayer. Raising the minimum wage in which that a full time employee could never qualify for such programs would rightfully place the cost of labor back onto the business and off the taxpayer.

yeah but for now im taking one steps at a time. better to be a socialist than some fucking capitalist
besides in a communist society we would get everything we need from our government.

I don't know shit about the US, but a minimum wage might be the average basic rent + monthly food prices (based on 5 servings of vegetables, some meat, grain and milk products).

The point of a minimum wage is not one that should be actually PAID to people, it should be something against which salaries are indexed in order to prevent a grey job market/unemployment/etc.

Those saying its cancer are living in fantasy land, the LARPers who are probably NEET or had mommy/daddy money to survive on, or those who have secured a job for themselves and don't care if others die (even if those others dying would cause market instability that would eventually affect them).

In turn, those saying a minimum wage should be some mythical "living cost" (which usually includes fucking money to spend freely) are living in a similar fantasy LARP land where humans have a motivation to survive when survival is guaranteed (lel). And they have never seen how businesses actually work.

I'm a business owner and I DO NOT mind a decent minimum wage. That way young people can get into the job market smoother and easier and I would have more and better employees to choose from, in addition to MANY other benefits. It would also boost internal consumption, which would give me a lot more domestic opportunity. On the other hand, if the state butts in and gives me a shittingly high minimum wage I will probably collapse and hire less people, in addition to hiring people in the black or finding loopholes. My profit margins, losses, turnover CANNOT be adjusted if I pass a fucking law.

All men should make their own deals.

> (You)
>no it isnt. im pretty sure there are places like that everywhere. But what about this scenario then? What if every fucking company only offered to pay people one cent? retard
How stupid are you? Feel free to re-read all of that again. If it still makes sense to you, then kill yourself.

Increase minimun wage, reduce tax on companies and force unions to democratize

no minimum wage, people should negotiate their wage themselves based on the merit they feel they have or bring and the standard wages will set themselves and the economy could actually become stable for once

>comming from a jew
Which knows a thing or two more than you bong.

Of course collective bargaining would be allowed. You could strike, and if no one replaced you, your employer would be forced to listen.

Work a job with any amount of training or skill and you'll have that power easily.

Competition stops higher prices. If you sell candy for $2 and your competitors sell for $1, guess who sells more?

>The reason is inflation, and raising the minimum wage is one of the most direct ways of causing inflation.

Since the guy you're arguing with is a retard, I hope you realize this is a fallacy. Inflation has little to do with minimum wage. This is backed up by the fact that, at least in my country and probably in yours, inflation remains at a certain level regardless of minimum wage increases, and is more strongly affected by other factors. It's also backed up by the fact that in both our countries, minimum wage is actually less now than it was decades ago, when you take into account inflation, despite minimum wage increases.

>killing france? you guys are being paid more for a job. how stupid are you?

This literally has to be the most retarded comment I've EVER read on here. Figures a Communist doesn't know a thing about basic economics.

>There should be no minimum wage.
This, plus strict border control.

>strong government
no, what we need is decentralized government so there isnt a one stop shop to buy out our institutions for corporations. also, corporations should not be considered people unless they could be arrested like people can be.

Are you retarded?

Our economy has been slowly dying for years. Our GDP Growth rate is is 1.1% and it's been decreasing as time went by. Our unemployment is 10% and it continues to rise.

I sincerely hope you're trolling kek

I swear it's staggering how dumb these commies are. Then I remember that they're actually 17 year olds that aren't even old enough to remember 10 years ago when it was impossible for low skilled workers to get a job (due to shit econ and min wage), making it impossible to gain entry to the job market.

Seriously do you commies even understand economies?

>well guess what? whats gonna stop the greedy employers from making the products even expensive despite that?
the free market, retard
if the price increases the demand will decrease and they will lose money
This is why raising the min wage is not only stupid it's also pointless

God damn. Genius level.

There probably shouldn't be any minimum wage. I've read plenty of arguments for and against minimum wage and the libertarians are simply right. Minimum wage is bad.

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if you stop being retarded however, and track overall wealth by total wealth ratio, it becomes absolutely obvious that money is being sucked out of the minimum and middle classes and being held by the super rich.

>2 degrees, 1 stem 1 business
>know several programming languages
>several internships

Unemployed for 6 months, can't land an interview

I'm definitely worth more than most potential employees

The system is broken

Even $0 is too high. Minimum wage should be negative infinity. Theoretically if someone wants to start a business where employees pay to work there, and employees are willing to do so, then that's their business. Not the government's.

no its not you fucking retard because one jew owns every fucking store so they are all basically one store and he sets the price, nice going goy, I sure to love keeping all my money and paying you shit

You need to relocate.

Literally in the middle of Seattle

Whatever your labor is worth

no you are
if you are that qualified and you're not getting a job on your country you are likely too autistic to get hired

Good talk. Enjoy getting cucked for the rest of your life by "the blacks". You're not equipped to stop what's coming.

>no, this is how you stop corruption and make government strong
Stop talking like we disagree with each other, stupid fuck

you have to know someone on the inside, start making friends immediately any way you can in your industry, nepotism is the only way when the left and right have both given up on the working class.

>no don't bring us your resume directly
>apply online
>never hear back, not even rejections

Broken. System.

Work as a temp

lol, poorfags in denial who are against minimum wage

"hehe when I become rich, I don't want to share the sweat of my brow"

spoiler: they remain poor for their entire life