Putin and Musk, the two most dangerous men in the world

I am really concerned about Russia and electric cars, /his/.

In the current world order, every big actor has a good reason to keep it going, because everybody is profiting big way. Western Europe and the USA are getting cheap labour and cheap products from 3rd world countries like China, while China is getting access to western markets and technologies. The western nations are still growing despite already having emassed obscene amounts of wealth, while China gets to build and modernize its country.

But this world order is not working for Russia. Russia does not have a competetive economy and all initiatives to make it more competetive have failed. Its economy is being kept afloat by oil- and gas-money, which worked reasonably well from 2000-2008 when oil prices were skyrocket high. But since then oil prices have dropped to below 50$ a barrel and Russia's economy is basically stagnating (sanctions might have added to this, but it's pretty obvious the main reason is the low oil price). Due to this economic crisis Russia is becoming increasingly aggressive.

Now this is where electric cars come in. Elon Musk and his Tesla-cars are potentially the single biggest geopolitical disruptive force this century has seen so far. More than half of the consumed oil is going into transportation, e.g. fuel for your car. Even if just 20 or 30% of the cars 10 years from now are going to be electric, the price for oil will fall so much that it will probably going to ruin the russian economy.

We are already seeing the collapse of governments run by oil money. Libya was not able to cope with the sharp decrease in the oil price following the financial crisis of 2008 and fell into a internal crisis that led to the civil war that ended Gaddafi. Next on the line was Venezuela whose government is currently struggling for survival.

There are also other countries that might fall. Iran, arabian countries, some african countries,... but those are relatively small and don't hold the potential to disturb the world order.

Russia though is different. They are already in a state where they are dissatisfied with the world order, because it is not working for them. While every other big actor is growing, expanding and developing, Russia is not. Now add to that that Russia might face a real existential crisis due to the electric car imploding oil prices, and you end up with the most dangerous scenario for the 21st century.

Russia has a huge nuclear arsenal and the second most powerful military in the world. It is also in a geographic position where it could invade western europe realtively easily. So what is going to happen, when 10 years from now Tesla cars took off, 20% of the global cars are already electric, and the oil price is below 5$ a barrel? The russian economy will look like Venezuela's right now, or like Libya's shortly before civil war broke out. So what is Putin, whom I assume will still be in power 10 years from now, do in that situation? Will he try to use Russia's only threat, it's military and nuclear might, to secure Russia's position in the world by trying to invade europe, or will he just accept that Russia is fading into irrelevancy, and potentially civil war?

Also, what if the Kremlin is already anticipating these developments, and they have decided to take action now. What if things like Brexit, the election of Trump, the "sudden" leaps in north korean ICMB technologies are all due to Russia trying to end a world order, that is already not working for them, and that is threatening to fully destroy it? They could try to lure in america into a big war in Korea, hoping it will bankrupt the USA and further divide the NATO.

>being afraid of electric cars
Are you scared of being turned straight by accident, OP?

Musk is a small, irrelevant player in the electric cars market. The traditional car manufacturers will usher the electric cars age in.

Yep. Musk could have had a strong hold on the market by being the first one to do it well, but he's too interested in running a bunch of other companies poorly to have the time to run one of them well.

Musk is irrelevant you dumb nigger

Latin America holds the lithium and Elon has a habit of making promises and failing on them

Oil is not going anywhere.
The price slump is 100% because of the shale oil boom in the US and other countries, not from electric cars.

For instance, modern industrial farming is completely dependent on fossil fuels for harvesting equipment, fertilizer manufacture, transport, storage, and so on. I don't see our oil dependency dissappearing overnight.

That is not to say Putin is not a dangerous man (he is) but I don't see him gambling everything as long as he can hold onto power. Russians should be afraid of him the most.

>More than half of the consumed oil is going into transportation, e.g. fuel for your car.
Not for cars. For trucks, ships, and airplanes. Electric personal vehicles are practically irrelevant.

>russia invading europe
>electric cars replacing oil
>not seeing biggest threat in US empire trying desperately to keep asian from sinking the petro$, US economy and kicking their navy out of the pacific

Didn't read but Tesla needs to stop being anti-union.

You can look up what oil is used for everywhere on the internet. 50% of it goes into fuel for private transportation. So lets say in 10 years 10% of the cars will be electric. That means 5% less demand for oil.

Doesn't sound like a lot, but note that the great oil crisis in the 70s was caused by the Arabs throtteling the oil production by 2%, and the sharp fall of the oil price post-2008 crisis was caused by a demand shrinking by around 1%. The shell-oil is also increasing the overall oil supply by a tiny amount.
So you can imagine how eruptive a drop of 5% will be. And that is only for 10% electric cars. Make that 50%, or at some point 100%, and the oil price will drop to material the barrell is madeof will be more valueable, than the oil it holds.

That picture is actually indeed a good proof that Russia wants war. All the NATO bases surrounding Russia are there because pretty much every nieghbour of Russia is afraid it will invade them. Eastern europeans are begging for NATO troops being stationed there.

Russia is not an oil-only country.
It also has bunch of other resources it can sell, plus it has a strong military which it can use to protect other countries in return for influence, which gives them money aswell
So yeah, while low oil price is gonna hurt Russia, by no means will it kill the country

Russia is most definitely aiming to destroy current global order, which is led by USA.
Since they can't hope to replace USA, they envision a return to great power politics of past.
But...Russia is not Venezuela, and despite the fact that a large part of their GDP is oil and gas, it doesn't mean Russians are incapable of doing anything else.
There's a good reason why their economy didn't diversify, because oil and gas brought huge profits, so money went there. Extracting oil and gas isn't exactly easy you know.
But if they are forced, they will diversify. They have huge resources, relatively big, educated population, and despite the brain drain they still have a lot of smart people.
Russian government for all it's faults provides a very important thing to a society that left several decades of communism following centuries of autocracy. It provides stability and a chance for society to grow, and Russian society is indeed doing that.

In short, you wrongly assume Russians are desperate actor, and they aren't, and you seem to have bought ''Russia=decaying hell'' propaganda. It's not even propaganda really, it's just a lack of knowledge about subject.
Westerners generally know little about Russia and Russians they come in contact with are very often fanatic anti-Putin liberals. See Masha Gessen as one example. Does that person look trustworthy to you?
But back to geopolitics, Russians are doing smart thing. They understand correctly that they'll always be inferior partners to USA at best and that strong Russia is the worst fear of the Americans. So they aim to undermine American power. There's nothing desperate or evil about that, just your usual geopolitics.

Yes, Russia is not as depended on oil as Venezuela or Libya, but they are still very depended on it. They might survive with 50$ a barrel, while that was already enough to kill Venezuela and Libya, but the next big disruption on the oil market is already coming and it's Musk and his electric cars. So how will Russia be able to handle an oil price of 20$, or even less than that?

Nork ICBM development is because Ukraine sold them ex-soviet stuff because Russia's put them in a crisis.

> The western nations are still growing despite already having emassed obscene amounts of wealth
Except us of course, we still 3rd world even here in fucking Milano

This isn't /his/

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fuck i hate pol these people are too dumb for this kind if discussion. thanks for ruining my thread his mod.

>public figures
>most dangerous men in the world
WEW

Russians exporting products to countries where west cannot set foot. They are not agrressive but they will be very soon.

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You can always tell when something is going on with TSLA stock when Musk threads start popping up on Reddit and now here.

Sage.

Iktf

Ukrainian manufactured rocket engines were most likely supplied from Russian stocks.

You are talking about dumb people here. But you are literally clueless.
>So how will Russia be able to handle an oil price of 20$, or even less than that?
It will not be 20$. Electric cars disrupting the oil prices are just your wet dreams. Commodity prices will only go higher and quite substantially.

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shh, you wrote too much and your analysis is faulty

musk is a threat because he's a shifty fuck. he's probably making ai robots instead of his cars, and probably working with putin

Reclaim your board. Don't shit up others.