Let's have a reasonable debate about gun control for once

I support all the amendments that Americans enjoy, but some are long overdue for a serious overhaul. I would like to specifically discuss how to effectively change the 2nd Amendment.

The 2nd amendment should be changed to specifically say which arms Americans have a right to bear. There are no reasons for ordinary citizens to own assault weapons or weapons with a clip size larger than 10 bullets. 10 bullets should be more than enough for hunting or self defense purposes. You do not need a gun for anything else.

I would like to see the second amendment specify a minimum age for gun ownership. Something in the range of 25-30. Guns are deadly tools and only a fully mature adult should have access to them. Most mass shooters are in their early 20s. We would be able to prevent a lot of gun crime with a minimum age for gun ownership.

Add something to the second amendment that gives the government the right to repossess anyone's firearm for any reason. It is the government's job to look out for our best interest, and it would be a lot easier if they had the ability to take guns away from potentially dangerous people.

Again, I am a 2nd amendment supporter but I think it is long overdue for some changes to account for it being 2017 and not 1791 anymore.

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IT'S NOT ABOUT NEED

Ban selling guns to minorities.

>Add something to the second amendment that gives the government the right to repossess anyone's firearm for any reason. It is the government's job to look out for our best interest, and it would be a lot easier if they had the ability to take guns away from potentially dangerous people.
This is literally the antithesis of the second amendment. The entire point of 2A is protection against government tyranny. Not safety, not defense, not hunting, but protection against government.

You cannot add a clause that lets govt take away guns without completely scrapping the entire second amendment.

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Slide thread, don't reply anymore.

When did white people turn into such cucks? You guys used to be all about fucking the government but now all white people suck on the government cock asking the government to fuck them in their boi puccy and choke them. Fucking pathetic. I'm glad where people are going extinct.

SHALL

Im all for the 2nd but why the fuck do we let mentally ill people own weapons?

>inb4 shall

same mentality as the people who take the bible literally and think man walk with dinosaurs

no such thing as slide threads stormfaggot

watch as they all ignore pic related

IT'S CURRENT YEAR!

Fuck right off faggot

The majority of gun deaths are suicides.
The vast majority of what's left after suicides are gang violence.
The vast majority of that gang violence is performed with shitty throwaway pistols.
A good deal of deaths after that above are accidents. Tragedies to be sure but nothing distinguishable from falling from a ladder or hitting the gas pedal instead of the brake at the wrong moment. There are more guns in the U.S. than people, of course there are accidents.
And then, at the very end, are mass shootings. Not even a blip on the radar, just white noise. Just the expected number of deaths from a country of over 300 million who abandon mental treatment facilities for the unstable.

Pic related. This is where gun control takes you. Obsession over a gun that never killed anyone. A country quaking in fear over a level action rifle using the incredible technology of the late 19th century.

NOT

>The majority of gun deaths are suicides

Is it true that everyone who commits suicide via gun would commit it regardless? Is this something anyone could even prove?

There's no need for talk about any kind of gun control as there's a amendment, the second to be specific that explains everything you need to know.
I will even provide the exact wording for you my mentally challenged friend:
>A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Now that you learned something, show us your leaf and then fuck back to rebbit.

No you don't support the 2nd amendment
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

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>but some are long overdue for a serious overhaul
Agreed, states should be reorganized into urban and rural areas that have their own gun laws.

But maybe you are concerned about actual gun deaths. And the damned NRA won't let you win in Congress. What would you do instead that would show that what you care about is actually saving lives?

You should support subsidized suicide recognition training for gun stores employees.
You would encourage a national 'cultural conversation' about male suicide and why its important to understand the different causes behind it.
You wouldn't give a damn about ammo capacity, since a pistol with one bullet allowed will allow you to commit suicide just as well as a pistol with a capacity for ten bullets.
You would create incentives like tax rebates for gun safes to promote safety.
You would create a system that pays individuals 150 bucks, like a gun buyback program would, for attending a class that showed basic gun safety.
You would consider all anti-gang efforts to be anti-gun violence efforts and would act accordingly. You would be proposing education bills and job promotion bills to get kids engaged with a real paycheck instead of wanting to be a thug.
You wouldn't give a damn about rifles becausce their impact is so low. You'd focus on pistols.
You'd support the Hearing Protection Act to allow access to suppressors that reduce hearing damage like every other country in the world does. You'd think of that as a "common sense" measure to improve people's daily lives.

But that never happens. The actions taken on gun control are not related to preventing deaths. It's about politicizing those deaths for the purpose of ending gun ownership. In what reasonable world is a piece of string considered a machine gun?

>This is literally the antithesis of the second amendment. The entire point of 2A is protection against government tyranny. Not safety, not defense, not hunting, but protection against government.
No it's not, the amendment still allows for people to own guns, just for them to be better controlled
>When did white people turn into such cucks? You guys used to be all about fucking the government but now all white people suck on the government cock asking the government to fuck them in their boi puccy and choke them. Fucking pathetic. I'm glad where people are going extinct
Has nothing to do with being "cucked"
It's about keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of irresponsible people

Exactly this Nope, one death is too many
They would have time to calm down, thus lowering the total number of suicides
Forgot to mention the part about "well regulated" Cletus

Caetano v Massachusetts led to a SC ruling that the second amendment has prima facie, meaning that individual restrictions on firearm types are unconstitutional unless the intent of the amendment is disproven

Let the CDC study guns and mental health of gun owners. Then make a decision. The NRAs blocked them.

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>Let's have a reasonable debate about gun control for once.
>But I'll start it by shitting all over you with this leftist straw-man comic.
Go fuck yourself.

>Maybe if I make my flag an elephant, they won't figure our that I'm a constitution-hating leftist kike shill.
On second thought, go kill yourself.

Probably not. Part of the huge disparity between male and female suicides are the use of a gun. Men use guns and are therefor more successful at killing themselves. Women scarf down pills.

When a suicidal person uses a gun to kill themselves though it's not the gun that's the actor. The gun is not the sickness. The suicidal desire is the killing sickness. Literally hundreds of millions of american own a gun and don't use it to kill themselves all the time. Every single day that gun doesn't cause them to want to kill themselves.

But if someone loses their job, is rejected by their family, is distant from their friends, feels their mind slipping away from them, or has significant serotonin production problems in both their ability to intake and their ability to produce well then that's the source. And if what we cared about was the death itself we'd address the problem. We'd see gun control acting on mental health as "we support life improvement programs and greater social acceptance for men to pursue mental health treatment". And we'd see them distinguish between suicidal or violent tendencies and "I have a sleep disorder." Instead they just use "Mental health" as a screen to cover as many people as possible. The insomniac is to be just as banned from owning a gun as the suicidal violent psychopath.

Besides, in a country where suicide by doctor is illegal, suicide by gun is the most humane means of killing yourself available. If a man is 80, feels himself slipping into dementia and decides "No. I will not go this way. I will die with dignity and at a time and place of my own choosing" well then that death is honorable. It is far better than wasting away or lying in front of a train or stepping in front of a truck.

>Add something to the second amendment that gives the government the right to repossess anyone's firearm for any reason

lel

One death happens literally all the time. From everything. Everywhere. To pursue a world without death is to pursue absurdity. It's a world where books have protective plastic coverings to stop a paper cut from accidentally bleeding out an old person who can get help while also having a protective cover on that protective cover in case a child chokes and dies on that plastic. And so on, and so on, and so on.

A line must be drawn somewhere. It is drawn where our right to self defense lies. That line is immutable. It can be violated by government, but it can never be eliminated a right all men have.

Now tell me, at the time of writing, what did the phrase "well-regulated" mean. Did it mean
A. Burdened by cumbersome government regulation to the point of being barely effectual.
or
B. Effective and in good working order. Like a "Well-regulated watch"

dumbass

You're being baited, dumbass. Only women are for gun control, and women don't post on Sup Forums.

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neck yourself subhuman scum.

Bait. Sage. What's going on with that Azerbaijan arms sales data dump?

oh yeah. it's obviously bait. It's the same shit copypasta with just a few modifications.

But I believe that every time this thread happens and someone responds seriously it helps equips new people to fight those terrible ideas. It reminds them they are not alone and it helps equipment them with the arguments and understanding they need to reject that bait when presented to the in real life by serious people. There is value not in taking bait but in eviscerating it.

And it's a great excuse to post cute girls with guns.

And there is no reason for any American to be able to use Assault language. Internet usage should be restricted to those licensed by the State. And language used should be restricted to "literature purposes". Also there is no need for any citizen to make more than 10 statements a day and each of those statements must fulfill a literature purpose...

Do you see how ridiculous you sound?

Release restrictions on all automatics.

All states become shall Issue CCW Permits with state standardized approved CCW safety and theory class accessible the day you turn 18 (make these cheap as possible, subsidies or a one time tax benefit for anyone who takes the course)

Otherwise at 15 you should be able to own any firearm under the sun you can afford.

These rights are inalienable to all lawful citizens barring the following:

Convicted of any violent non lethal felony or accidental manslaughter, snubbed after 5 years of lawful conduct post conviction.

Murder Conviction in the 2nd or 1st degree: permanent loss.

Medical diagnosis of significant mental disorder that can be linked with a greater than nominal risk of the above two exceptions, snubbed after 5 years of examination and further non criminal or violent behaviour.

Despite my flag, I yearn to be free.

Don't forget. Secession is legal user. The prairies are better positioned to join the U.S. and Quebec would be given greater self determination under U.S. law.

It's good to be always free.

We don't want to change it.

Fuck you I'm a socialist lefty and I think all guns should be legal and as available for the working class as possible. Not all of us have fucking round the clock security. The one thing I'd propose would be a manditory 3-4 hour class for CCW just to dispel a bunch of myths that people have about guns like "shotguns don't miss, you don't have to aim" "AR15s overpenetrate, use a fuddy five instead" "if you get in a bar fight, shoot up in the air, this will solve all your problems" "I'll just stuff my gun in my waistband without a round in the chamber so it won't go off, then when I need it I'll charge it for psycological impact" and other dumb shit people believe from hollywood. The class would be focused on explaining the states various gun laws to people, the basics of when to draw and not to draw, and basically advise people to avoid fights, buy a damn good holster and keep one in the chamber at all times. The class should be no more expensive than the cheapest hi point and have flexible hours.