The Free Market has Never Been Tried Before

Why do Libertarians claim the free-market in the US "ended in 1913" when the Federal Reserve was created? Do they think there were markets free from tariffs, legal monopolies, or regulations before that? Are they lying or just ignorant of history?
>Railroads created by Act of Congress
Lolberg: b-but the free market made that!
>Standard Oil created by patent monopolies and political patronage
Lolberg: b-but the free market made that!
>US Steel and JP Morgan's fortune
Lolberg: f-free m-market...!
>US Airline industry
Lolberg: f-free m-
>ATT
Lolberg: m-m-...
>inb4 Kowloon Walled City
Even Kowloon was made possible by government and organized crime, a de facto regulatory and governance regime.
Lolbergs BTFO

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great thread.
sage

wat? sage.

You have 0 fcking clue about what free market is.

Little faggots can't argue so they squeal "REEE SHUT IT DOWN!" -- the absolute state of this board...

Reminder that true, REAL free market has never been tried.

the free market isn't real you dipshit

its a libertard fantasy that cant exist

who ever said the us had a free market? no one.
hence, sage.

>snowflakes

>who ever said the us had a free market? no one.
lurk moar newfriend
>hence, sage
Keep violating Global Rule 3 newfag scum

Kek, Kowloon kills the lolberg

We can do this all day.
We've got plenty of memes.

I was 8 years old and had sex with a prostitute in 1992 in kowloon.

REMEMBER, FREE MARKET FIXES EVERYTHING

OK, I'm not a libertarian, but these seems like a thread with potential, so I'll play devil's advocate. What about black markets -- wouldn't those be the ONLY kind of free market possible outside of pre-historic, paleolithic era "free trade"?

Because the Rothschilds own the Federal Reserve.

Those are often heavily influenced by organised crime, so there is some kind of regulation. And independent parties can find them in a crossfire from criminals and police forces.

what about black markets from piracy? Wasn't the West Indies a free market in the golden age of piracy?

>Why do Libertarians claim the free-market in the US "ended in 1913" when the Federal Reserve was created?

because it created a fuckton of regulations.
its not even the taxes dude, you literally have no economic freedom, every regulation or permit takes fucking weeks to settle.

Jesus christ china, have a minimum of fucking common sense
1973 was still acceptable

All that is true, but the nation becoming "more regulated" doesn't mean it was "completely unregulated" before. There are no examples of free markets in history.

To a degree yes, but pirate havens had their own governance and regulations. Also, many sold their goods to traders who helped to fence the items, or simply privateered for their nation's navy and sold the loot legally.

What is agorism, a counter-economic revolution

Are agorist societies "truly free markets" then? Are there any historical examples of agorist societies?

bump

Who gives a fuck about Railroads and steel? The government could have smoked dope and just stole money like most countries, and things would have been better or worse, but railroads and steel? Fucking retarded example dude, must suck when you have to shill for your shekel praising retarded government.

>>inb4 Kowloon Walled City
>Even Kowloon was made possible by government and organized crime,

This tired argument is even below shilling. Kowloon walled city was a steampunk Utopia, which the government had to forceably evict the free citizens from. Who would willingly leave glorious freedom, for taxes, police, regulations and tyranny of the total state?

No fucking person that's who. Collect your shekel and kill yourself.

>tl;dr triggered lolberg noises
>can't name a single fucking free market
I guess that means "True free markets have never been tried before", huh?

agorism is essentially grey and black markets in the modern day

If you break the law (ie driving over the speed limit while working, purchasing illegal drugs) that you view to be a hindrance or otherwise an unconstitutional law (even if for just a moment) you are practising agorism in some capacity.

Agorism is quite literally you just not caring what the law states in relation to economic action. It doesn't mean that committing theft or violence is agorism. While people may say that you are committing theft against the state for not paying taxes (ie via bitcoin or through general black/grey market practices) you're ultimately just going about life economically your own way.

Agorism doesn't believe that we can achieve libertarianism through elections or government policy. Instead of going to the established table we instead create our own.

If you are interested: youtube.com/watch?v=o534kQv4-aE

youtube.com/watch?v=Cynd4AINc70

If you have a lot of free time then check out Agorism from the guy who founded it: youtube.com/watch?v=mMUxsQjfZKo

The idea of agorism can work, but it essentially needs a lot of people to actually participate in it. Just like free markets in general. Part of the reason we have the mess today with socialist/crony capitalist practices is that people prefer getting freebies through political actions. While beneficial in the short term, prove disastrous in the long term.

Thanks, this is a really interesting idea.

I only heard of it in the last few days. It is a very enticing concept that if taken to task without serious thought can lead to terrible consequences.

You essentially run a dual life in some capacity, a front for the general of society and the grey/black market practices that slowly take over how you go about life. Until either: a) you get busted by the state or b) enough people also begin the practice to the point that it no longer become a grey/black market practice.

I have no delusions that this will work as it requires a lot of participation and belief by the people at large. Still, purchasing goods at a farmers market (or any ground level market in general with cash exchange/alternate currency) would be a practice of agorism the more I think about it.

Kowloon walled city.

And just compare West Germany (Controlled capitalism) to East Germany (Socialism command economy)

Compare Chile to Venezuela, then leap off a building.

I can't see either why wouldn't anybody live in that steampunk utopia-

> The Free Market has Never Been Tried
My physics professor was sayin some dumb shit about the "velocity of a perfect sphere falling in a true vacuum", when OBVIUSLY this has never happened!!
CHECKMATE PHYSICS!!!!

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What's with all these kawloon city posts lately.

>compares more regulated to less regulated
But your task was to provide ONE FUCKING EXAMPLE of a historical free market, and you fucking blew it over and over.

>muh free markets can't exist in this universe
>true free markets only exist in a conceptual realm but I still think we need free markets

pathetic, kys

It triggers lolbergs

Lolbertains are just want to be intellectuals who want to think their ideas would work in a society that isn't predominately White. It doesn't. The third world doesn't care for your lofty ideology; they care what and how much they can take from you for themselves.

>Kowloon
>It triggers lolbergs

Why should it? Kowloon walled city proves to a perfect fact that ZERO GOVERNMENT is much much better than any government at all.

Walled city was built without a single licensed, registered architect. The walled city never fell, there was never a collapse, meanwhile in China and Korea, dozens of "government supervised, licensed buildings collapsed due to complete total incompetency. With massive loss of life.

they had to knock walled city down it was so solid. Same people who knocked down walled city, now have to pay you to defend their retarded imbecile actions. Collect you shekel Schlomo.

Also couldnt you have major cooperatives of folks willingly banding together work in this kind of system to create protections of sorts?

Can we have a cross sections thread...

No good point. Been seeing lots of pics and posts vaguely referring to it. Sometimes it makes me wonder if everything we think we are doing independently has actually been tailored by perfectly conditioning an enviornment for every individual and we are all actually following somebodies script.

>Kowloon had zero government
It existed in a grey area created by Hing Kong law, ie, created by the surrounding government. Internally, it was governed by organized crime (triads). Sorry lolberg, you're still too brainlet for this thread.

You can't say that just because there are some regulations that the market isn't for all intents and purposes free, and the private railroads did better than the government backed Ines anyway

>free
>market
Fake and gay

That is only the retarded SJW libertarians. And if they even believed the retardation they spouted, they would move to Somalia the black freedom Utopia.

Libertarians with IQ above 70 realize that no free society with shitskins can work, unless the lower races are controlled. For ex see the greatest Libertarians the world has ever known the founding fathers.

white men--- No laws no limits do what you want and no taxes.

Non whites-- Locked up in chains, sold as property.

>implying a regulated market is ever free
So, you're saying "true free markets have never been tried before"

Nice projection about being a brainlet faggot

>I'm going to give a stupid definition that I've invented and you need to find an example of my definition otherwise you're stupid

Kys

I find it funny how they can't really prove their point about their lartopia when faced with the reality of a more-or-less unregulated market.Or maybe we misunderstand them and they want to live in filth and squalor.

>That is only the retarded SJW libertarians.
Is that not the majority of them at this point? Am I suddenly misremembering a certain convention during election season where some fat fuck actually came on stage wearing a banana hammock?

Garbage, all of them.

>replying angrily to a post directed at another ID
So, you're saying "true free markets have never been tried before"?

You could, again it really requires that initial movement of people committing to the initial idea and not straying from it by going back to the state. They'd follow the rules of agorism/libertariansim of NAP. By engaging in practice of positive and negative liberty simultaneously.

A commune like system can work to this end, but being a free market system instead of a socialist haven.

Which I have no problem of so long as it is voluntary both in joining and leaving. If the socialists were to allow people the ability to leave their system (outside of death or gulag) at their leisure I wouldn't have such a problem.

Unfortunately if people are free to leave they generally will anyhow.

What kind of retard actually thinks like that? Are you severely autistic by any chance?

>there's no such thing as freedom because people have to follow basic laws like don't murder, lolbertarians btfo

I will save these your posts, as key examples of how utterly stupid a person has to be, to be a statist.

>There was no government there,
>Therefor that is a government.

Collect another shekel Schlomo, who cares if your posts are idiotic like the rest of (((your pals too)))

Walled city was glorious, awesome.
The free Libertarian/Racialist America of the founders was awesome. Then totalitarian governments took over, and ruined everything.

>What kind of retard actually thinks like that?
So, you're saying "lolbergtarians are retards" then?

>"I will save these your posts"
>being this butt-devastated
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>be an area designated by the government
>be ruled by mafia syndicates
>lol no government

He's right though. Freedom is a delusion.

The Libertarians with IQ above 70, all shifted from Ron Paul, to Don Trump for the 2016 election.

Gary Johnson was just an idiot SJW who went around screaming that Trump was a racist. Trump campaign probably paid him a couple million and told him what to say, to more better steal all the votes from the other libtard running besides him, Hillary.

Anybody who thinks Libertarianism/freedom can work with blacks, just ask them why aren't they already in Somalia, the black Libertarian Utopia?

>Freedom is a delusion
>digits end in 1776
wew

DESIGNATED FREE MARKET STREETS

This exactly what the free market looks like with no regulations.

Very convincing "victory" comrades. I can see another big win for you in 2020 just like you won in 2016/ IM WITH HER!!

>you are either a lolbertarian or a communist

This is what reddit does to people

>DESIGNATED FREE MARKETS
That's a brilliant meme, describes these brainlets perfectly.

>being this eternally devastated
So, you're saying true free markets have never been tried before -- excepted in designated Kowloon streets?

>Crafted cherry-picked images.

I'm sure the Chinese people much prefered to leave free walled city to the much better life under police control and taxes. oh wait no they had to be kicked out with force.

>lolbertarian again fails to realize there are more then two ideological beliefs

>I'm sure the Chinese people prefered to leave free walled city to the much better life under police control and taxes
People who didn't want to live in designated shitting streets ruled by Triads and junkies did. I would bet a large sum of money you grew up in a sheltered household, in the suburbs, and never once visited the third world to see what it is your asking for with your ancrapistan fantasies.

>Can't English grammar.

Speaking of living in third world shitholes? You wouldn't be shilling for the State Department from some poo in loo bangladeshi sweatshop would you Akbar?

I know that the spark of freedom will remain forever lit, if the only ones trying to put it out, are staggeringly stupid idiots like you. See you in 2020 retard.

How would you like the freedom to starve in the gutter? Or the freedom to attempt to survive in the wilderness?

>runs down list of "people who say mean things" to accuse me of
>can't name an example of a true free market
Remind me again how lolbergtards aren't just like commies, waiting for you "true utopia that has never been tried before"...

This is the best the US government can hire. A fucking complete retard, with crafted in some Soros seminar anti-freedom "memes"

Thank God the left sucks so bad at memes.
(and you're all stupid)
(and we have so many guns, in case anything changes)

Thanks for the laughs you fucking total imbecile.

>EVERYBODY WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS WORKING FOR SOROS

i can just smell r_thedonald from here

>y-you're a government shill...!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm btfo, kek. See my flag, cuck?

>crafted cherry picked
Read "City of Darkness", you literal nigger, I know it's hard to read a book for the first time, but you should try it for once. Also, it has lots of pictures.

lolbergtardians eternally btfo

>How would you like the freedom to starve in the gutter? Or the freedom to attempt to survive in the wilderness?

I already have that right now. In my country, white men are second, not even second, absolute lowest class citizen (First are jews, then blacks, then latinos)

White males are not eligible for any kind of assistance or welfare (assuming they're normal and not able to scam up some assburgers ploy to get money)

So I'm already free to starve to death, and to make it more likely that I will, the government taxes the crap out of me, (to give my money to the people with power and status, the jews, blacks, latinos.

Throw me in a walled city with no police killing me, no taxes and no regulations please Uncle Remus.

>all this lebbit spacing

I don't know how we'll ever recover, but thank God, uncle Soros pays me well. The tears of butthurt are also a nice extra.

Founding fathers, were more natsoc than Hitler ever was. You won't find any of those SJW Libertarians on this website, so you are arguing against a wall, or yourself.

US Founding fathers, were all Libertarians. They were like KKK/Libertarian Nazi hybrids.

By any modern standard, if you brought George Washington from the past to the present, he would be thrown in jail, or killed, just for his views and principles today.

Very convincing Soros shill.

>Literally posting leftist 'memes'

As I said, your side memes are amazingly bad, laughably so. Why do you think you lost the election so hard Shillbot?

Dear Lord-- Thanks for at least making my enemies retarded

And lets say we remove all regulations and welfare nets when for you when the colored population gets even higher and start rejecting you from your current job applications, what will you then do? Are you going to be homeless for the next year while you find a job?

>Founding fathers, were more natsoc than Hitler ever was

is this bait? If so its amazing

>Boo-hoo, yuo is a shill and Hillary supporter, yuo is dumb.
You literally brought less arguments than a Drumpf btfo post
Also, /comfy/

>Soros shill
How to defeat a "Soros shill" in one step:
>name a historical example of a truly free market
80 posts into this thread, and you haven't named one yet. You're working harder for Soros by looking retarded than anyone else ever could. If I worked for Soros, I'd just sit back and try not to interrupt you while you utterly BTFO yourself and anyone like you by association.
>makes you think is a leftist meme
wtf I totally love communism now

At this point the t_d/ptg crowd are a hardcore cult. Anyone who disagrees with them or triggers them by making them look wrong in any way "must be a government agent working for Clinton even though Trump won". What the fuck kind of mindfuck contradictory delusions are these? As the months go by they get more and more emotional and incoherent.

They are the same type of people as the other side, just with right wing views, that's it. It shows, just as you said, that they are governed by emotions and not facts, and since their world is a very simple one, they point to the most high profile enemy they were pointed out.

>You wouldn't be shilling for the State Department from some poo in loo bangladeshi sweatshop would you Akbar?
No Tyrone McShekelberg, I'm literally shitting on you from your own backyard, you idiot.

>the most free market country
>hurr lolbergs say US was 100% free market

brainlet thread confirmed

sage

So, truly free markets have never been tried before?
>sage
Go back to if you want a fucking hugbox, announcing sage is a rule violation here. This isn't your fucking hugbox you underage b& faggot.

>muh safe space

Seems like I invaded yours, brainlet. :^)

Wtf is this shit-tier debate style? It seems we triggered the 16-yo. edgy fags.

>being this triggered by simple facts
I can't believe what a salt farm this is.
>Seems like I invaded yours
Then I guess it wasn't a safe space was it pinky?

;-)

>can't name a truly free market
That's like 0 for 65 attempts now...
>REEEE brainlet thread sage sage sage
Just name a free market, wtf is so hard about that?

>pic
>homogeneous white society with mandatory military service
Yeah sure, it's just about the number of weapons. That'll fix Detroit, more weapons. Context matters.

if you left the Kowloon Walled City by itself for another 20-50 years, basically a generation or two. You would have seen massive wealth and a modernized city in its place. The Yakuza would have become a functioning municipality instead of a criminal gang syndicate and the Kowloon Walled City would have just turned to the Kowloon City and be one of the richest and free-est place in China.

Maybe, but since that didn't happen, it's just another libertarian fantasy.

bump so see if a truly free market has ever existed

>chinks happy to live in hive

Unsurprising.

>tfw you will never live in cyberpunk dystopic kowloon walled city

> Railroads
AAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA
We talk of sliding scales & nuance you talk of assertions and absolutes lacking context. You sir are kind of a piece of shit.

>the ultimate lolbergtard happily-ever-after LARP scenario

>still can't name a truly free market
So, "true free markets have never been tried before" then?