This thread is for discussion of property rights, natural order, right-libertarianism and the PHYSICAL REMOVAL of COMMUNIST FAGS from our board of peace. Reminder that this is the Libertarian RIGHT General. Left-Libertarians, Cosmopolitan freaks, Open borders cucks and other assorted libertine degenerates need to fuck off.
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Just dropping a friendly reminder that xenophobia is inherently authoritarian
Jonathan Brown
>Open borders cucks Come on, as right libertarians we should be for an open border. Now with having an open border that would mean the welfare state needs to be smashed and destroyed. You cannot have both. Why the fuck would any self respecting libertarian on the right want to keep the cost of labor high and make the barrier of entry to a job harder?
for the recommended reading list I would also include more Austrian economists, Irving Babbitt, Frank Meyer, Wittgenstein, Augustine, Aquinas, and Julien Benda's 'treason of the intellectuals'
Parker Brown
How would you deal with all the niggers (and in America, spics) that are going to flood in? Yes, even without a welfare state they will pour in, to do crime or to beg. Just let society turn into full-blown hyperviolence?
Caleb Murphy
Because we believe in free association, we must not be forced to intergrate those who we wouldn't like to associate with, regardles of the illegitimacy of the states territory.
I suggest you have a listen to good ol' Lew Rockell for our position on borders.
propertyandfreedom.org >The 2017 Annual Meeting of the Property and Freedom Society will be held from Thursday, September 14, 2017 (date of arrival) to Tuesday, September 19, 2017 (date of departure), in Bodrum, Turkey, at the Hotel Karia Princess. That's pretty cool.
Joseph Smith
A great talk here. check it out. The goal of libertairianism is SELF DETERMINATION, not utopian cosmopolitan idealism.
Private land proprietors would be very happy to invite hard-working foreigners to employ them and so on. Without welfare there is no need to fear foreigners.
>Just let society turn into full-blown hyperviolence? Fortunately we have the natural right to self defense. We already have anarcho-tyranny where the government cannot even maintain the few things it's supposed to do but somehow can regulate and legislate to a degree to make life terrible
>Because we believe in free association, we must not be forced to intergrate those who we wouldn't like to associate with, regardles of the illegitimacy of the states territory. Yeah there is a case to be made about property rights with open which I'm very sympathetic to that argument. But we do have the right of free association (which still needs to be strengthened and expanded in scope). Personally I'll take more taco trucks in my city than having government authority expand an inch further. We are the ones after all who believe and embrace the idea of the "Burkean Platoons" of our select communities that we live in. I live in a very leftist city and I don't have to integrate with anyone I don't want to. I freely associate with those of my own political leanings and culture/religion. But pragmatically since the welfare state isn't going anywhere soon, I would say we have to tighten up the border
Christian Jones
Sure there would people happy to take on a foreigners. I would never prevent them from their free association and their property.
Many people also don't want to see their community become replaced by a foreign population, and they would choose a proprietor who had loyalty to his people.
Do you afford me the same freedom of associtaion? would you prevent me from joining a white community with force?
Cameron Rivera
>Fortunately we have the natural right to self defense. So? Even if you have all the fully auto AR-15s in the world it's still going to be a society of hyperviolent chaos when thousands of feral niggers are flooding across your borders everyday.
Justin Davis
I already live in a city with a hyper violent black community. They're the majority by a wide margin. The problem already exists with crime. If this is going to be the state of things I would like to be able to defend myself but unfortunately even pepper spray is illegal. Compounding with the fact that US law says that the police are not obligated to stop crime
Brayden Evans
The extent we are ALLOWED, by the state to freely associate is an absolutely horrendous violation of our natural rights, Simply being able to discriminate against who can sleep in my bed is not the height of what I advocate for, its simply not enough.
and dont be so quick to say "we" its very clear to me we have different priorities, I would in all likelyhood, given the choice not live in taco truck land.
Oliver Johnson
you're not looking at the problem just right.
Even if you could defend yourself from a certain amount of these people, foreigners are entering the country at a steady flow, to a point of having higher replacement rates that of the our population, its a loosing game no matter what gun you have. they will replace us and we should have a right to prevent that, and protect our population from this demographic replacement.
Eli Williams
>niggers are going to behave without welfare lmao
Colton Gomez
having higher replacement rates than that of our population.*
Lets also make it clear that this land we are talking about does not belong to the foreigners, it is WE who homesteaded our land and we are the rightful proprietors.
Nicholas Garcia
The "we" being those of us who hold the same epistemology on the nature of man. In a free society, no one would stop you from living in community and associating with others of your choosing.
>Simply being able to discriminate against who can sleep in my bed is not the height of what I advocate for I remember someone brought up the thought experiment of being a hooker/prostitute and the government saying you cannot discriminate in the work place/freedom of association. A lot of hookers say "no blacks", which is there choice, but according to the government you cannot discriminate. So technically the government could make you sleep with someone against your will (rape) simply because there is an exchange of money. Which is highly evil and I don't think the left thinks that far or its implications when it shits on the right of free association, which you stated correctly is a natural right
Xavier Cruz
Daily reminder that we would have tons of private high-speed rail if public roads weren't around to make it totally unprofitable. Ending road socialism is the only way to let the free market fix mass transit.
Chase Roberts
>free association, which you stated correctly is a natural right.
I'm glad you agree, so now would it not follow that because of civil rights legislation (anti discrimination legislation), and the construct of state "public" property, opening of the central state to allow any and all foreigners in, force me not to discriminate when hiring, serving, or even choosing a school for my kid that adheres to my values not a massive violation of my right to association?
That is why I am against opening the borders, it is public policy that violates my right to self determination. I deserve a choice.
Ryder Phillips
If we take the existence of the state as granted, then border control is one of the few things that actually NEED to exist, and be enacted harshly.
The libertarian mindset needs to be seriously reformed in favor of border control and limited migration.
Brayden Rivera
Daily reminder that really the only way to reduce the number of cars on the road and stop global warming is to privatize the roads. Public roads constitute a subsidy on cars and commuting.
Camden Edwards
This is why I try to make a clear and honest case that open borders amounts to an opening to the central state, and a massive violation of property rights.
Zachary Miller
fucking this.
t. big city american- i shudder to think what'd happen if the government checks were late.
Julian Garcia
The man
Hunter Richardson
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Gabriel Powell
both of you stop confusing ancap with libertarian
Logan King
Nigs would just starve to death without the welfare state
Blake Bennett
amen
Daniel Davis
Yes which is a weird problem the gov has created. My question would be for you, if you freely associate or not associate would you be fine with open borders? I'm all with that you should be able to discriminate against anyone for any reason. Personally, I just think that the welfare state needs to be addressed and I''m not in favor of open borders at this time while the bloated welfare state exists and having weak right of association.To be fair, open borders is not my hill to die on. There is other policy battles worth fighting over in my book.
Jeremiah Collins
well, in a libertarien order you would be able to shoot at the first property violation, so I guess that would solve the nigger problem. Perhaps the nigger problem would be entirely solved this way, knowing that 1/4 of Blacks go to prison, and would probably be killed in self defence or in retaliation, so the population of Blacks would decrease very quickly
Nathaniel Collins
And I don't even talk about private racialist charities funded by nigger haters that would offer sterilization to Black women and men in exchange of some KFC purchasing power
Xavier White
If I had free association "open borders" would not be a thing. "open borders" is not a condition exists in a fully privatized society unless the property owner explicitly desires that. i believe everyone would discriminate at some point. were you choose is up to you. you may disagree with my racial opinions however it is important that we respect each other choice.
May I make it clear that I believe CHOICE is the goal of libertarianism, not universal openness and inclusivity.
Charles Wright
I ment this to go to
Oliver Gomez
libertarian is a term that applies to minarchists and AnCaps alike.
Josiah Myers
G'night folks
Brody Thomas
This is a good infographic, but I think it should emphasize that they'll mostly be join stock companies, traded on a road stock market with locals owning as many shares as they desire. They'll contract with road management companies who may or may not own any roads themselves.
I personally think Walter Block's idea of distributing road stock to every citizen (more to landowners obviously) is as fair as you can get. I think people have this big hangup over having their roads owned by others and this suggestion puts that to rest.
Jaxson Rivera
Haupstürmfuhrer Pepe if you're in here you're literally a brainlet, if you honestly think a %40 or under white capitalist society would be better than a %97 white communist society you are deluded.
Joshua Carter
False premise, whites are too smart to attempt a communist society.
Hudson King
yeah I figured that was meant for me lol. But yeah absolutely in a truly privatized society there wouldn't be open borders. A person would have seek permission to a property owner. Yeah I fully believe that everyone discriminates on some level, it's impossible to say no one discriminates. We make discriminatory choices every day.
William Kelly
>be op >post libertarian thread >it's actually just authoritarian alt-right ideology lite really makes you think
Jordan Cooper
Please Jeffery Tucker, remember when you used to write about how Lincoln was the devil? What happened to you?
Lucas Wright
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Kayden Long
>what is the soviet union The difference between the two in the analogy is that the former survives the struggles of communism the latter dies of the plagues of "civic nationalism"
Lucas Brown
Thanks, I'll update it soon. I'm about 2/3 through the book now, so I'll add whatever else I find as well (and probably find a better background image).
Jaxson Evans
Fucking Jeffery Tucker, guy is too pretentious and I met him a few times at YAL meetings
Benjamin Howard
>Implying there wouldn't be all-white private covenants
Alexander Ortiz
It isn't bait though. I believe in a society where personal achievement and skills trumps all, where everyone has very high economic and personal freedoms, and the government is extremely small and governed by the people. The rest of the people in this thread believe niggers are subhuman, the state should deploy militaries to stop immigrants/kill commie dissidents, and there's a natural order to society other than that of the skilled triumphing over the retards.
Jason Ramirez
>Implying they wouldn't be massacred by the non-white majority coalition
Gibs me dat whitey
Adrian Hernandez
>communist federation of turks, slavs, mongols, and georgians >white
Logan Perez
The Soviet Union was a different ethic group, you off all people should know, also why don't you take at the founding fathers views on race and Nation. It was explicit that America was too maintain a European population.
Zachary Cox
That's why you create a convenant in majority white areas like Europe and the United States retard.
Andrew Watson
Jesus my phone posting grammar is shit.
Juan Reed
Russia is only %10 Turks, Mongols, and Georgians, its %90 white.
Hudson Ramirez
Isn't that the burden of loving liberty and freedom? We have to defend people who we might find reprehensible in their choices simply on principle alone. I'm just happy there is still threads like this that are not completely filled with Stormfags who think the only way to combat the left is to grow the state and use it as a weapon against political enemies
Michael Lewis
So you mean collectivize and form a white ethnostate? ;^) sounds pretty gommienist desu
>The Soviet Union was a different ethic group, you off all people should know Yes I do know this, I also know that the ethnic Russian survived the communist Jew takeover. I also know this, that the European will not survive a capitalist Jew takeover for much longer.
David Russell
That's a complete stawman, we do not back state coercion. My views on race are irrelevant. Free association means I choose who I associate with, that's the bottom line.
Cooper Bailey
This is much better than most of the board, honestly, and I can forgive the desire for border controls (there are plenty of valid reasons for wanting those), honestly more aggravated that it seems so many people in this thread value race > actual achievement. And I get it 'lol you're just a nigger cuck' or whatever other bullshit people throw at me, but this is just my honest opinion and shit [spoiler]also you're the real cucks for needing to attach yourselves to the achievements of a race/culture rather than having achievements or skills of your own to take pride in[/spoiler] sorry
Carter Russell
>slavs >georgians >not white k shill.
Joseph Scott
Didn't mean you specifically, meant that it seemed like the majority of the thread was one way, desu. Apologies.
Oliver Bell
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Anthony Cook
Yes, collectivize by voluntary association. This is valid by the most hardcore interpretations of property rights and non aggression. You're just butthurt that you got tricked into using the statejew to do something you can do without it.
And I assumed you were implying whites created a white communist society when you said 97% white communism. My bad.
I'm a regular here, I'm very familiar with the views expressed here. We're not authoritarians just because we hold conservative and race realist views.
Grayson Wood
Are you Haupstürmfuhrer Pepe?
Joseph Robinson
I disagree with the hyper individualist angle so much, Libertarianism is not about pushing your cultural agenda down everyones throats. It is infact because we don't believe we know what's best for every individual that we are Libertarians.
Respect self determination, not abstract individualism or collectivism.
Anthony Gray
No, but If seen his name around before.
Tyler Young
Getting sleepy, gonna try to sleep now so I don't lose what's left of my sanity, but first, I'll leave you with this. m.youtube.com/watch?v=g9dwTSXkiII
