Not religious, nor do I give a fuck about what some dick munching beta does in his spare time. But the way I see this little conundrum is as follows:
1. When legislation is passed for the benefit of a minority whilst infringing on the belief structure and values of the majority, how can we call ourselves a democratic nation?
2. What self respecting homo would want to be acknowledged and married in an institution and before they eyes of a god that despise them and wish them ill will?
3. Where the fuck does it all end? We let them adopt children, child molestation statistics potentially go through the roof? Domestic abuse against children in dyke households?
4. When are (((they))) just going to come out and advocate for cheese pizza and children to have intercourse providing it's consensual? Do these (((cunts))) ever stop with the degeneracy?
Millennials draw no distinctions between discrimination protections that should be afforded gay and lesbian people, on the one hand, and transgender people on the other. More than seven in ten (73%) millennials support legal protections against discrimination in jobs, public accommoda- tions, and housing for gay and lesbian people. A nearly identical number (72%) of millennials say they favor these same protections for transgender people.
While no significant racial or gender differences exist on either question, there are large religious divides in support for expanding nondiscrimination legislation. Roughly eight in ten black Protestant (80%), white Catholic (82%), Hispanic Catholic (81%), religiously unaffiliated (83%), and white mainline Protestant millennials (78%) favor laws that would protect gay and lesbian people against discrimination in jobs, public accommodations, and housing. About two-thirds (66%) of Hispanic Protestant millennials also favor such laws. White evangelical Protestants are closely divided on this issue, with a slim majority (51%) favoring laws that would protect gay and lesbian people against discrimination, and 47% opposing them. Among religious groups, the pattern of opinion about non-discrimination legislation protecting transgender individuals is nearly identical.
Farr, R. H. (2017). Does parental sexual orientation matter? A longitudinal follow-up of adoptive families with school-age children. Developmental Psychology, 53(2), 252-264. dx.doi.org/10.1037/dev0000228
12th of September I think was the scheduled date, I believe they're going to be doing an envelope vote to gauge the response.
Please. Refer point two.
Ryder Gomez
Civil marriage.
Christopher Murphy
All of your questions are easily answered!
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THIS SOCIETY ANYMORE. But stay invested pal. The left needs it cuckservatives who will 'lose with grace'.
Josiah Rogers
Marriage is and always will be a Christian ideal in Western nations. What good is getting married if it's not in the traditional sense?
>But stay invested pal. The left needs it cuckservatives who will 'lose with grace'.
Who says I'm on the left?
Camden Thomas
Go away bot
Michael Campbell
Civil marriage is not religious. Are you denying it even exists?
Jayden Garcia
Typical right wing cuckservative who assumes anyone opposing his views is a lefty. >You can't just walk away from this country! Watch me. >But someone has to lose to the leftists! I'm not legitimizing them anymore with my participation.
Cooper Barnes
>Are you denying it even exists?
No, I'm stating, what is the fucking point?
Kevin Moore
They can already adopt in Australia. Htf does this misinformation continue to be raised.
Leo Edwards
Are you fucking insane?
Tyler Phillips
You are stating that there are no civil marriages? So I cannot go to a courthouse and get married without a belief in God?
Xavier Harris
>You are stating that there are no civil marriages?
No I did not, get the cock out of your fucking mouth and focus on what you're reading.
James Russell
First point is retarded. A "minority" can already block laws with the power they're given in the Senate. It's why Lib/Lab need the okay of Greens/Independent sometimes.
Caleb Turner
So you admit that marriage can be a contract between two adults and the state, having nothing to do with religion?
Chase Turner
Of course it fucking can, but what's the fucking point. It's like buying a Toyota and slapping a fucking Bentley emblem on the bonnet. It's not a fucking Bentley.
David Williams
To get legal rights.
Kevin Martin
Nope. Just don't buy into the current paradigm anymore. I would die for a christian, predominantly white ethnostate if one emerges but I don't give a shit about Australia.
May I ask why you are still invested in multiculturalism and multicultural societies?
William Robinson
>Gays on the cusp of gaining equal marriage rights >Thinks a White nationalist state is going to emerge
How out of touch can you be?
Noah Jones
Such as? That is the point of this thread after all.
>May I ask why you are still invested in multiculturalism and multicultural societies?
Because I live here and I'd rather not see it descend into a worse state of degeneracy and children dressed like fucking hookers. I'm just hanging on in the hopes that National Socialism will emerge and we can get this party started.
Angel Cook
>How out of touch can you be?
The thing is, gay equality does not concern people now, but when your groups start sucking dick in the street and waving your degeneracy in front of families, hatred will come your way.
Tyler Martinez
I think gay marriage is a good idea. This way we will have a ready made register of poofters complete with addresses to use when the time comes.
POOFTER PURGE NOW
Tyler Sullivan
I would suggest no. As soon as they did it here, the left used it to personally attack christians via lawsuits. There is a high amount of conservative/libertarian gayfags on Sup Forums but the majority of LGBT despise christians and any thing else that is western establishment. They will use the new laws to go after those pillars of western society.
Xavier Ramirez
The right to have your marriage recognized out of country. Consistency across the rules of various states if you move. The dignity of being able to legally call yourself married and say your kids are not bastards.
Gay equality does concern people now, just not you.
Nolan Ortiz
I don't care if I'm 'out of touch' or not; your opinion of me dose not matter to me. I am following my own moral code, not yours. The only chance of national socialism (or something similar) emerging is if society falls apart.
Jackson Hill
You are nowhere near consensus and when a majority of people agree on something, and every poll in AU has showed majority support for same sex marriage in the past 10 years, it tends to become the rule of law.
Tyler Taylor
Don't forget the inevitable hate speech laws so that they can't be insulted for sucking dick on the street
I. DON'T. CARE. You can have Australia and make whatever faggy laws you want. Go nuts.
Eli Lewis
Nationalism should only be used as a means to protect a racial people. The moment it develops policies that are against the original founders of the nation, the state becomes void in my mind and anything necessary should be done to preserve the original inhabitants.
If Western Nationalism celebrates the destruction of ourselves to absorb non-whites, even for economic gains, then it is void. It's short term profiteering at the expense of demographics.
This is why all through the 19th and early 20th century immigration from non-white countries was barred. At that time we still had a sense of ourselves.
The greatest trick the Jews ever played on us was convincing us we never existed as a people, and that our culture is non-existent and should be subjugated by non-whites and jews.
Samuel Richardson
>They will use the new laws to go after those pillars of western society.
These are the concerns of myself and a few close friends, it seems to be just the beginning of the end. I'm not Christian but I can appreciate the strength it can give a society.
>The right to have your marriage recognized out of country.
This is fucking retarded, this would require gay marriage to be legalised throughout the world for it to be worth anything.
>The dignity of being able to legally call yourself married and say your kids are not bastards.
But you can't biologically have children, consider yourselves lucky they're referred to as bastards rather than orphans. At least bastard implies that the child is yours.
>Don't forget the inevitable hate speech laws so that they can't be insulted for sucking dick on the street
I doubt this would ever happen here, ragging on poofters is a pass time for the average Australian.
Hunter White
You can have kids through surrogacy, adoption, or from prior heterosexual relationships. Why should those kids not be allowed to be raised by married parents?
Ethan Morris
This, the whole thing falls apart because of the based High Court.
Asher King
>Why should those kids not be allowed to be raised by married parents?
Why should children be raised in a household without a mother and father being present? You're literally arguing against the natural order of humanity and the biological system set in place to ensure our survival.
Nathaniel Ortiz
>The only chance of national socialism (or something similar) emerging is if society falls apart.
Australia was practically National Socialist before Hitler ever came to power. The White Australia policy was a rebuke against the free market-movement of people that categorized the British Empire of the 19th century.
Once this housing crash happens, and it WILL happen, whatever party is in power will be discredited. A period of turmoil will ensue and whoever can blame rightly the Chinks and foreigners for pushing up prices will do well at the polls.
Farr, R. H. (2017). Does parental sexual orientation matter? A longitudinal follow-up of adoptive families with school-age children. Developmental Psychology, 53(2), 252-264. dx.doi.org/10.1037/dev0000228
1) Imagine the butthurt and salt from the leftists 2) Learn this fucking thing already. When you give SJWs a hand they'll take a entire arm. It won't stop with just gay marriage.
Justin Barnes
>the state becomes void in my mind Exactly. I'm just explaining to the leftists & faggots trying to shove 'laws' and 'government' down my throat that I don't give a shit anymore.
They can make all the fucking laws they want. None of them nullify my free will or the free will of other family minded, heterosexual, anti-degeneracy, racially aware, white christian males. And the liberals wonder why we want an ethnostate....
Parker Adams
Nobody wonders why you are trying to stack the deck when you are losing the game given fair odds.
Kevin Scott
>They can make all the fucking laws they want. None of them nullify my free will or the free will of other family minded, heterosexual, anti-degeneracy, racially aware, white christian males. >And the liberals wonder why we want an ethnostate....
All good and well until they throw you in fucking jail.
>Science on gays as parents:
Fuck off with your bullshit cherry-picked biased as fuck articles.
Andrew Carter
So you won't even try to engage with the overwhelming majority of science?
Parker Barnes
>So you won't even try to engage with the overwhelming majority of science?
Science, homosexuality is a mental disorder. Why should I entertain it further? You enjoy the sight of dick and taking dick in the ass, that's your business. But don't infringe on others when you're a minority.
Would you accept the idea of Christianity being banned in Australia because it offends the Muslim minority?
Robert Nelson
2 Man cant have kids Or 2 woman So, theres no bastard problem! And no, no adoptions Just keep your sex inside bedroom as anyone else, and all is Fine for everyone
Justin Hall
Muslims are not the ones opposing gays though in Westernized countries.
Surrogacy, adoption, children from prior relationships. Gays will have kids whether you "let them" or not.
William Ward
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Mason Jones
when are you cunts getting western oz liberated
i want to move there it could be like mid 90s south africa
Caleb Mitchell
. Most of the pizza celebs are straight. Stop embarrassing yourself.
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Aaron Morales
No, because this is just another thing they are saying they want do it for one reason, while the real reason is just the further deconstruction of traditional society.
Once gay marriage is legalized they will further be able to ask, "what is marriage anyway?"
The same way they no say what is an Australian or what is Art, the prior forms have been deconstructed by totally alien immigrants and post-modernism respectively.
Carson Murphy
I don't care what you think. I would consider myself a political prisoner.
Look I don't hate you liberals, I certainly don't hate other races. I just want to live in a christian predominantly white, non-degenerate society. I wish you all the best in whatever kind of society you are trying to build, good luck. But I won't help you with your project and will support an predominantly white ethno-state wherever it crops up. So we will be parting ways now, ok? Will you shake my hand and wish me good luck in the type of society I wish to establish and live in? *Extends hand*
Jose Rivera
Only in Islamistan do we get the your beliefs affect mine bs.
Chase Lopez
>i want to move there it could be like mid 90s south africa
Fuck mid 90's South Africa, you'd witness the beginning of the great decline, I'm from SA.
>Muslims are not the ones opposing gays though in Westernized countries.
Nah, Muslims will just stone you to death.
>Once gay marriage is legalized they will further be able to ask, "what is marriage anyway?" >The same way they no say what is an Australian or what is Art, the prior forms have been deconstructed by totally alien immigrants and post-modernism respectively.
I agree with all of the above, it's a stepping stone to complete and utter Communist rule.
Jaxon Wright
>Look I don't hate you liberals, I certainly don't hate other races. I just want to live in a christian predominantly white, non-degenerate society. >I wish you all the best in whatever kind of society you are trying to build, good luck. But I won't help you with your project and will support an predominantly white ethno-state wherever it crops up. >So we will be parting ways now, ok? Will you shake my hand and wish me good luck in the type of society I wish to establish and live in? >*Extends hand*
I'll send you a come home card when we've established a great nation.
William Young
Stop confusing all gays with bolsheviks.
That's literally your only argument.
Cameron Lewis
>The dignity of being able to legally call yourself married and say your kids are not bastards. They will still be bastards.
Alexander Myers
should have said mid 20th century, i actually though i typed 80s
Angel Green
We just need to begin killing homosexuals. Degeneracy is a metastasising cancer. The only way to save the patient is to cut out and destroy the mutated cells.
Zachary Edwards
>When legislation is passed for the benefit of a minority whilst infringing on the belief structure and values of the majority, how can we call ourselves a democratic nation? So your argument is: >You can't get married because you are offending my belief system >also muh democracy That is literally a leftist argument. That is how their reasoning works. This shithole board becomes worse every day, and you don't realize just how much you sound like the very people you complain about.
Faggots getting married is not a problem. Nobody cares what your 'beliefs' are, just like you don't care what theirs are.
Trannies forcing their shit down childrens throats (sometimes literally) is a problem. Mudslimes forcing their ideology on a brainwashed population is a problem. Gays performing acts of blatant degeneracy in the streets in front of children is a problem. Who cares if they can get married? why pick the smallest non-issue and blow it up? Focus on something worthwhile user.
Jaxson Ramirez
So because I'm not calling for the mass genocide of fags, I'm a leftist? Fucking settle down cunt.
>Focus on something worthwhile user.
This will be a worthwhile topic in six to twelve months if the legislation passes in their favour.
Parker Anderson
gay rights movements have always historically been anti-western and jewish styled utopian movements; including the current one that is closely linked with the feminist movement and cultural marxism.
Dominic Adams
You have a much better grasp of what is occurring. Whats happening 'on the ground' & 'in the streets' has completely overshadowed any irrelevant law they might implement.
Nathaniel Lee
>So because I'm not calling for the mass genocide of fags, I'm a leftist? Fucking settle down cunt. And now reading comprehension is gone as well.
You are not a leftist, you are using leftist logic though in your argument. You are letting your personal beliefs and feelings dictate what others can and cannot do.
Marriage is a right that everyone should have. Shaking your arse in the street in front of kids is a right that nobody should have, regardless of gay or straight. And forcing others to pander to your beliefs (which is exactly what mudslimes are doing by the way) is unenforceable and morally wrong.
Christian Jackson
>Marriage is a right that everyone should have. but redefining "marriage" is not; that is violating several hundreds of years of western tradition.
Luis Ortiz
I dont think people who want to set up these protections realize they're digging their own grave. No such discrimination protections exist for classes like "straight white males," so when they're the minority they're totally fucked. Fags, niggers, spics and bulldykes are not going to be gracious to us in the same way we have to them.
Jayden Clark
>Not religious, nor do I give a fuck Stop right there cunt, you're the main problem. Without widespread nihilism and complacency, fags, trannies and other degenerates could've never gained so much influence in the first place.
Luke Anderson
Please see below. >but redefining "marriage" is not; that is violating several hundreds of years of western tradition.
Isaiah Nelson
>Not religious, nor do I give a fuck
Don't take me out of context fuckwit, pull your bloody head in. I support Christianity, I just don't believe in it myself.
What I actually said:
>nor do I give a fuck about what some dick munching beta does in his spare time.
Jordan Baker
>Please see below. >>but redefining "marriage" is not; that is violating several hundreds of years of western tradition. Traditionally, 7% of a generation wasn't openly gay. If you're going to argue from tradition, you'd need to advocate a crackdown on minority rights, which no one is going to go for. No, what Australia needs is many, many more black people, like in California when they tried to pass Prop 8.
Brayden Ramirez
Christians are protected, sex is protected, race is protected. So out of all of those, being straight is the only thing not protected. I cannot refuse you service for being White, or a male, but I could say I am refusing you service for being straight.
Daniel Rodriguez
>I doubt this would ever happen here, ragging on poofters is a pass time for the average Australian. Yeah and calling people niggers used to be a pastime in the U.S., if you want to continue being able to rag on pooftas you need to vote no on anything involving gay rights. Even if there isn't a law against it, they'll become so ingratiated in your society as to be unassailable.
Joseph Sullivan
>Traditionally, 7% of a generation wasn't openly gay.
I call fucking bullshit on 7% mate, I know some poofters, but they certainly don't make up 7% of my acquaintances.
>Christians are protected, sex is protected, race is protected. So out of all of those, being straight is the only thing not protected. I cannot refuse you service for being White, or a male, but I could say I am refusing you service for being straight.
This argument is absurd, and it's really quite simple. Take your business and jam it up your arse if that's your standing, I'll go elsewhere. Not very difficult is it?
Jace Fisher
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Aaron Clark
>Yeah and calling people niggers used to be a pastime in the U.S.
This is true, I already know that I'm voting no for marriage equality. I'm trying to find some good points to either change my standing, or further my standing so that I can inform friends and family of the potential outcomes that other countries have faced.
>7% of a generation wasn't openly gay that is a false number. gays rarely break 1-2%. LGBT in total rarely breaks 5%. You'd need to include all the weirdo non binary crap in a specially selected sample group to even approach that number.
Zachary Harris
>hundreds of years of western tradition. You realize Christianity (which is the specific definition I presume you are referring to) did not begin in the west right?
But let's ignore that anyway.
Civil partnership in UK is not religious, and it allows the gays the same rights as us without compromising on "muh church".
But your problem is specifically involving the church right?
Does the church serve the people or do the people serve the church? If the former, then the people have the right to redifine whatever they want. If the latter, then your church sold you out, not the gays.
Hunter Cruz
1% lesbian, 2% male homosexuals, 4% bisexual. No meme sexualities. PRRI quality data.
Parker Morales
Look around you. Look at every other nation that has legalised it. Look how quickly their society nosedived down that slippery slope. Look how quickly the queers started to openly try to corrupt the youth in America. Look how quickly they tried to legalise grown men showering with little girls. Look how quickly they tried to normalise cutting the genitals off of children and block their natural hormones. Do not make this mistake. You have a chance to stop it. Take it.
Nicholas Butler
Carefully picked test group, this does not prove anything other than you being an idiot for taking it as gospel.
>Civil partnership in UK is not religious, and it allows the gays the same rights as us without compromising on "muh church".
And look how completely fucked your once glorious country is now. T. Poofter.
Gabriel Russell
>POOFTAHS FUCK OFF
Aaron Long
>Carefully picked
How exactly?
Chase Stewart
he American Values Atlas (AVA) is a project of PRRI. All demographic, religious affiliation, and political affiliation data are based on approximately 50,000 bilingual telephone interviews conducted over a period of 52 weeks across a single calendar year. Beginning in 2014 and moving forward, the AVA will also include a set of issue questions comprising a subset of the total sample (roughly 40,000 interviews) covering a variety of topics.
Roughly 1,000 interviews are completed each week, with at least half the interviews conducted among respondents on their cell phones. In each week, interviewing occurs over a five-day period, from Wednesday through Sunday. The selection of respondents within households is accomplished by randomly requesting to speak with the youngest adult male or female currently living in the household. Interviewing is conducted by professional interviewers under the direction of SSRS.
Data collection for the AVA is based on stratified, single-stage, random-digit-dialing (RDD) sample of landline telephone households and randomly generated cell phone numbers. The sample is designed to represent the total U.S. adult population (age 18+) from all 50 states, including Hawaii and Alaska. The landline and cell phone samples are provided by Marketing Systems Group.
William Davis
The weighting for AVA is accomplished in two separate stages. The first stage of weighting corrects for different probabilities of selection associated with the number of adults in each household and each respondent’s telephone usage patterns—telephone usage refers to whether respondents have only a landline telephone, only a cell phone or both types. In the second stage, sample demographics are balanced to match target population parameters for gender, age, education, race and Hispanic ethnicity, region (U.S. Census definitions), population density, and telephone usage. The population density parameter was derived from the latest available Census data. The telephone usage parameter comes from an analysis of the most recent National Health Interview Survey. All other weighting parameters are derived from an analysis of the most recent version of the U.S. Census Bureau’s American Community Survey.
The sample weighting is accomplished using an iterative proportional fitting (IPF) process that simultaneously balances the distributions of all variables. Weights are trimmed to prevent individual interviews from having too much influence on the final results. The use of these weights in statistical analysis ensures that the demographic characteristics of the sample closely approximate the demographic characteristics of the target populations.
Aaron Gray
Just show them the salon dot com article about how "Im a pedophile baby-sitter, but i would mever touch a kid!" Works like a charn for me, especially with women. Even the most leftist of women want to protect kids. You can also cite American Bureau of Justice stats about homosexiality and pedophilia if you want to. Sam Hyde has a really good video about it from a twitter comedy festival where he gets up and just reads facts and articles by gay men until everyone walks out. They did the math, and according to the crime stats, fifty-fucking-five percent of gay men are child molesters.
Sebastian Adams
How many people in the UK are gay, lesbian or bisexual? The Office for National Statistics reckons it's 1.5% while the Kinsey report says it's 10%. Who's right?
It's all fucking bullocks you dipshit, go outside and talk to people, if you talk to one hundred of them and not one is a homo, it's likely they don't make up 7% of your population.
Luis Williams
yes in the general population. but for millenials, the article posted earlier in this very thread cites 7 percent.
even before the church, the west never fell for the false notion that there could be a same sex union equal to that of a traditional union upon which a society could be based
Ethan White
I think survey data is ideally collected a bit more carefully. Young people are less likely to lie about not being gay because they fear judgement.
Brandon Brown
>And look how completely fucked your once glorious country is now. T. Poofter. And you think that a few faggots getting married caused this?
You are highlighting my original point. Everyone is too concerned with shit that DOES NOT MATTER.
The reasons my country is going to shit are: >mass surveillance >politicians more interested in self-image than doing their jobs >mudslime invasion, the those who pander to it >low-energy politics >complete disarmament of the people >complete empowerment of the state >gibs, gibs everywhere >police doing the security work of private corporations (TV licence, on buses checking tickets etc.) >whenever people get passionate, it is over non-issues >(((them))) To name but a few. Some dick gobblers getting married hasn't affected anything, and it won't there either.
Even with that data, young people are still far more likely to say they are gay or bisexual:
Those aged between 16 and 24 were by far the most likely to say they were gay, lesbian or bisexual - 2.7% of them did - a proportion that steadily declines as you inch up the age scale.
Wyatt Rodriguez
and this will change in the future as confused millenials age and are less concerned with virtue signalizing
Adrian Powell
>They did the math, and according to the crime stats, fifty-fucking-five percent of gay men are child molesters.
This is my biggest concern, I don't know if I'd agree with 55%, that would mean that more than half of my queer mates would fuck kids. But, I'd be quite rope-able if legislation passed that could potentially increase child molestation stats. The risk is too high.
>I think survey data is ideally collected a bit more carefully. Young people are less likely to lie about not being gay because they fear judgement.
It's all fucking selected carefully you fool, unless you survey every single person within the nation, you'll never get an accurate findings. I'll go to a fag bar tomorrow and come back with 98% of Australians are gay as a statistic.
>Even with that data, young people are still far more likely to say they are gay or bisexual:
