What does Sup Forums think of Maoris (in relation to other non-whites)?

What does Sup Forums think of Maoris (in relation to other non-whites)?

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If you have to ask you've obviously never been around them.
I'll take abos over them any day of the week.

Based and brotier when stood next to a Slav

Pretty based.
The only stone age people to beat the most powerful military tactics of their day. Forced the British empire to let them keep their rights.

Imagine a stone age people broke the bayonette charge. Fucking impressive

Ive always found the women pretty ever since I saw Once were Warriors. Ive never met one.

and this is what they used to break it. their own aerodynamic force maximising, weight reducing stone age design. a shaped stick.

Who wins? A shaped stick or the bayonet charge?

The stick. Stick always wins.

forgot pic

To be fair, this is mostly due to their superior strength. I still haven't met a smart one to this day, but my god if they aren't all fucking bodybuilders.

Thats a pool cue with a spearhead at the end.
They didnt have lathes. Would have been even more primitive.

literally retarded savages

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>he thinks maori are from the stone age
They showed up about 800 years ago dude
Also they didn't force the British to do anything -- the British fully cucked them and translated the treaty in such a way that made it seem like they would be retaining their sovereignty and property while in reality they wouldnt

They've been arguing about it for 150 years

>some french merchants show up in a boat
>go on sacred land
>retarded savages angry
>kill 27 french
>french retaliate, kill 250 maori
>maori literally beg the british to claim sovereignty over nz to protect them from the french
>british happily oblige
you know nothing

nah it's seriously because of the stick.

quarterstaff, bo etc primary weapons until the advent of gun powder. english quarterstaff masters who wrote in the 16-1700's consistently remark that as a weapon it is superior against a sword. As swords got lighter it became viable against 3 swordsmen.

Buddist monks carried bo staff because they could keep themselves safe without killing.

Maori's just flatteneed an end and used the thin end to crush skulls. Back in the day it was still muzzle loaders, so once the army had fired off it's volleys it had the choice of advancing in a bayonet formation or reloading. Mostly they advanced.

A muzzle loader with a bayonet is sort of just like a taiaha, but much heavier and clumsy with all the trigger guards and shoulder stocks.

The maori taiaha weighed between 250g and 500g ( less than half a pound ) so strength was not the deciding factor - the weapon is so destructive on impact because of the thin edge and because it is made of very hard wood. Speed gives the momentum, thin edge does the rest.

Maori bayonet was simply superior, and maori staff weapons training was also superior. This was the deciding factor.

They've all got terrible genetics because they started eating western food so late so they've got a huge propensity to be fat. If a Maori woman could keep her weight down she'd be gorgeous as they look remarkably like Europeans, only with tanner skin, but unfortunately they all look like shit. Oh well.

stone age people. they used rock scrapers (nephrite). the scrapers gave the shape. then they used sandstone for sanding, and finally hard trees or stones for the polishing.

apparently it took a long time to make. so long in fact that it became a valuable item in it's own right.

its a fascinating weapon, shows stone age is a term about the technology set, not the sophistication with which the technology is applied.

>tfw stone age aerodynamics was used to crush skulls more effectively.

Image to further my point.

>nz wars rage for nearly 20 years
>maori only manage to kill ~750 people including defenseless women and children and 17,000 British soldiers
>like 4% casualty rate
>over 2000 maori deaths out of 5000
>nearly 50% casualty
>decisive victory for British
>results in huge portions of maori land confiscated
lol

They don't necessarily have bad personalities, but they're dumb as shit.

dont get your hopes up

meant to say ~750 people out of 17,000 soldiers not that they killed 17000 british soldiers -- and many were not even soldiers, they were women and children

>>he thinks maori are from the stone age
They showed up about 800 years ago dude

You don't come 'from the stone age'.
You are stone age if the technology set you have is based in stone and wood. You are stone age if u have no concept of metal working and u dont have non stone tools.

Stone age is not a term that applies only to antiquity, it is a term that describes a cultures technology framework. It doesn't mean 10-5000 years ago everywhere. Bronze age for instance is a technology set that flows out of the near east about 5k years ago, but doesn't get to northern europe until thousands of years later.

at least they got the treaty mate, almost everyother place indigineous people didn't even get that. they got genocide or complete subservience.

LOL don't talk about things you don't know about johnny appleseed

Respect their self-respect

i would if i could find it

yeah, you miss the point.

they got treaty, which regardless of what you may think about it, judged by the standards of the day was unheard of. you seem to be making standards up as you go. but by the norms of the day it was fucking awesome for them.

so based on what you say, and i do not question your facts, the british gave away something to an indigenous people that they had never done before. and this because they had such an overwhelming victory.

it seems the global empire got cucked mate, small ineffective stone age people get treaty from global empire against global empire's wishes.....

if it's brown
flush it down

Thay aren't the only ones to defeat the imperialists.

Based maori brothers.

My girlfriend is just one eights Maori Anglo, but she still look ethnic as fuck. Gets drunk pretty quick and her less diluted family members fit Russia well with their no fucks given aggressive attitude

you're welcome

Maoris are the Niggers of the Asian world!

who is dat? google keeps giving me spanish.

I don't think about them. They can stay in their native islands.

You sure you know me?

LITERAL FAILED RACE. My gran lives in NZ and she fucking HATES maoris for being a drain on society and living off government aid and welfare. She says that they're the worst part of living in NZ, worse even than the asian immigrants that pour in more and more every year.

They're not abos though at least.

You're not a Mapuche any more than a Mexican is an Aztec.
This is like Americans with their 1/32nd Cherokee nonsense, except you lot get away with it since you're already brown and nobody except autists like myself cares enough to contradict you.

Why are they in Russia?

See here's what I don't understand the Europeans knew the savages were using melee weapons so why not outfit their soldiers with chainmail or plate armour? They would have suffered almost no casualties

>This is like Americans with their 1/32nd Cherokee nonsense

but they have much more amerindian admixture? that's exactly why they're brown?

Clue me in, why are there no qt Maori porn stars?

>look up maroi weapons
>Stone cricket bat
>Whalebone cricket bat
>Quarterstaff
>Wooden cricket bat
>Jade cricket bat
Lol

costs. average brit trooper was as expendable as a maori warrior to the maoris. a british empire serviceman was not a well treated thing, it was something taught to march forward and stab and be blown to smithereens and stabbed in return.

add to that a sense of 'who cares we empire now' and some crazy sense of superiority and you have all the makings of an upset.

She studies Russian, Slavic languages and culture, her brother came by to get into medical school (good quality, low price)

thats not cricket mate

I admire the fact that they bothered to explore shit
Fuck em for being cunts though

>doesn't actually know anything about the treaty
A bunch of actually illiterate chiefs were tricked into signing a document they didn't understand which forfeited their sovereignty. The Maori fucking hate it and have been trying to get their shit back since 1840. There is an 1877 case called the Wi Parata case which ruled NZ was actually claimed as terra nullius under the english common law doctrine of discovery which effectively rendered the Treaty null and void.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

If it ain't white then it ain't right.

I have no issues with them.

Spent a few hours next to a family of maoris on holiday in Japan, and they were pretty chill people. The older women were all squat and fat, the younger women were all hot, and the guys were fucking massive. Seriously, even their granddad looked like he could still ruck with the best of us, and one of the young dads was carrying a baby up and down, but he was about 7ft and barely able to stand in the train aisle properly. They kept handing out sandwiches and drinks to people around them.

here is the judges ruling:

>So far indeed as the Treaty purported to cede sovereignty [...] it must be regarded as a simple nullity. No body politic existed capable of making cession of sovereignty, nor could the thing itself exist

This means that the Treaty is not valid because the Maori were not actually sophisticated enough to lay claim to New Zealand -- meaning that the English were able to claim sovereignty through simple discovery in keeping with the Law of Nations.

This is still being argued every day in court. The Treaty means nothing and in fact the courts will not hear Treaty based arguments unless it has been incorporated into a specific legislation you can reference which are very few in number. The Treaty is fucking useless m8

Maoris stole the land from the indigenous Celts that were living in New Zealand.

it's funny you should say this because they actually did steal it from the indigenous Moriori peoples who were pacifists who refused to fight when the Maori showed up one day. Despite this the Maori cannibalized them and decimated over 95% of their population.

This is what makes it so audacious that they should shriek about how the British stole their land.

Hahah, you really think that person is even 1/16th Maori if any at all?
Sorry America, the truth is much uglier, smellier, obnoxious and annoying.
In fact, a true Maori would tell that woman that she owes them money for using Maori designs in her tattoos (assuming that's no just shooped on).
They're disgusting, greedy creatures who contribute nothing. They're too stupid and naive to integrate into modern society. Still.

I didn't know anything about that.
Can you send me some links to resources or terms to search so I can learn more about the null-nature of the Treaty?

sure sure. I get all of that.
seems like you are pettyfogging tho with a single aim - that of undermining the outcome. the outcome for them was not as it was for others.

the treaty may not be fit for purpose, but that is a separate issue all together - except as evidence of the english character - dishonest and and lacking in integrity.

I have looked around in southern african history for similar treaties - I have yet to find a treaty that the english signed that they did not break. EVERYTIME.

Most recently, they broke treaty with zimbabwe in 1997. And this was a treaty they signed in 1979-80.

English, the lowest of the low.

have you ever seen a pure maori woman?
they are ugly
the pic you posted is European mixed

I guess just search something along the lines of what is the legal status of the Treaty of Waitangi -- it starts with the initial acknowledgement of Maori sovereignty by the mere creation and signing of the Treaty in 1840 which then led to the NZ Wars as you know because the Maori got cucked and were pissed off.

Then you have Wi Parata v Bishop of Wellington in 1877 which rules that NZ was terra nullius and the Treaty is therefore null and void -- it was referred to in this case as a "simple nullity"

Then in 1941 you have Hoani v Aotea District Maori Land Board which establishes what we call the statutory rule or the orthodox rule which states that the Treaty MUST be incorporated into a piece of legislation for the courts to hear Treaty based arguments -- this is still the rule today

In 1975 you have the Treaty of Waitangi Act which establishes the Waitangi Tribunal to enquire into Maori Treaty claims

...because of the 1941 statutory rule, incorporating the Treaty into legislation becomes the norm for important legislation in order to get around it beginning with the Conservation Act in 1987 (the 80's being a big time for "Maori rights") -- it's also incorporated into things like the RMA and LTMA to name a couple

Nowadays the Treaty is really sitting in limbo and the only claims that have been honored have been way the fuck down on these tiny islands off Stewart Island because the only way for Maori to claim ownership is to prove "continual use of such land since 1840" which is borderline impossible in all but the most remote parts of NZ -- this was ruled in 2016 in a case called the Tipene case

Long story short, the Crown holds sovereignty over all the land and the Maori get nothing -- the only way for them to get anything is basically for NZ to become a republic and to have Maori land rights enshrined in a constitution which would probably be the case since everyone is a lefty fuckwit these days

you understand that the New Zealand Wars started AFTER the signing of the Treaty because the Treaty fucked the Maori so hard right? So as you said before "the global empire got cucked, small ineffective stone age people get treaty from global empire against global empire's wishes" is wrong. The British WANTED the Treaty because they saw it as the least shady way to gain sovereignty over the land -- the Maori then realized how hard they got fucked and started fighting us. They lost and then the Treaty was essentially rendered null and void anyway.

The Maori lost in every single way.

>What does Sup Forums think of Maoris (in relation to other non-whites)?
if you clone them they will make a great army of child soldiers

i read an excerpt from a study done in the 1930's and i believe that maori had an average iq of 90, which is the low end of normal, so pretty decent for a non east asian or european.

I wish those fucken sheep shagging New Zealand cucks would stop bending over backwards to appease them because they're giving our black cunts ideas.

Yeah except they originally came from the area around Taiwan and East Asians have an average IQ of 106 so clearly something went terribly wrong with their development.

They're stunted.

Either that or we are to East Asia what Australia is to England - a fuckin prison colony. Except our country was filled with just (literal) dumb niggers taht weren't good enough with the abacus.
Jesus NZ is so fucked. I can't believe how many faggots take the Maori seriously.

I wouldn't bother with him, is just salty about the empire and trying to find any excuse to say we somehow lost. He doesn't want to accept that the English, once again, crushed the natives, because of his own personal grudge or something

They're fine I guess. Maori culture is fun to study actually.

>hurr durr the mountain is a person
>the river is a person
>the island is a person
>everything is a person
>nobody owns anything
>lets all stick out our tongues and shriek at each other
kys

that shit with all the military guys ooga-boogaing and dancing for their dead comrade who died in the middle east was actually pretty neat.

Maoris are one of the few bro-tier non-white indigenous people in the world today.

it's called a haka and it seems a lot less special when you know that they do it before every single rugby match and make the other team watch while everyone rolls their fucking eyes

The mapuche nation existed as such until the first half of the XXth century, with a close border and no mixing, even now, there's full mapuche areas, this aren't reservations but recovered territory, I'm as mapuche as I want to be.

Aussie knows. Lived there for a few years and the Maori are parasites and wannabe gang members.

i'm assuming that whatever went wrong for them is the same thing that went wrong for south east asians and polynesians.

>implying abos can think

what is your opinion on the suppression act, do you think that i could have worked? The maori who grew up under it seem to be better people than the maori of today.

They can't! That's why you need to stop!
>monkey see monkey do
>"ay bruddah dem Newslanders wrote in dere constution bout dem black fellas, we need change consttution brudda, like dem newslanders"

I think it should never have been repealed. The question of sovereignty over NZ isn't easily answered -- under the law of nations, a state can lay claim to land three ways: discovery, cession, or conquest. The best explanation is that the Crown gained sovereignty over NZ through all three of these avenues.

There is no reason to maintain any of the "old ways" of a conquered people -- it will necessarily lead to division and conflict in any society which establishes itself on that conquered land. There was no reason to make Maori a national language, there is no reason to have Maori electorates (which establish disproportionate Maori representation in the House), there is no reason to allow any sort of Maori customary law to exist alongside the common law and there is no reason to continue to pander to these communities. A unitary state is unitary not only in its governance but in its social expression -- a general cohesiveness is required for us to advance as a society in any meaningful way. Pandering to conquered native minorities is counter-productive and honestly it's harmful to the Maori people.

>salty about the empire
nice pejorative. Why would I be salty about the empire? It's a fact init?

I just am keen not to glorify it, nor to give it accolades it never earned - such as being honourable or forthright or anything resembling something I would want to sit down and have drink with.

It's fair comment - and it's accurate comment - call it salty if you will, but that really speaks more about you than me.

>mapuche
Ahh thanks. Today I am less ignorant. i will do some reading on Mapuche. I love early human culture stuff.

thanks.

it's actually flat like some kind of primitive wooden sword. and i think the spear head looking bit might have been just decorative and not used in combat.

Why do you think so many US Americans are that sort of 'off-white' colour?
Its not a tan, mate, they're more heavily mixed with natives than people think. The 1/32nd meme has caused them to neglect/underestimate this for the sake of not looking retarded.

On average Chileans are more mixed than average United Statians, but they don't speak native languages and they don't follow native traditions, they speak Spanish/Portuguese and have Christian traditions, using the image of natives as a sort of 'fuck you' to European conquerors.

k den
Pretty mundane explanation desu phram.

>as I want to be

Then so am I.
How do, fellow Mapuche? Remember how we cucked the Spanish? Good times.

>In fact, a true Maori would tell that woman that she owes them money for using Maori designs in her tattoos (assuming that's no just shooped on).
>too stupid and naive to integrate into modern society

That's a great trick, and I bet it works like magic.
Seems to me as though you are having trouble integrating into postmodern society, while the Maori are battering on.

there is some disagreement from what I've read as to whether it was used for stabbing with the hope of penetrating. some say yes some say no.

for me it's a bit too much decoration. if u look at the pouwhenua, surely a more primitive/lower class weapon much like the taiaha, the idea is that the pointy end does some stabbing.

She's beautiful. They should be given the space to cultivate whatever culture they love, just as all races should.

>they look remarkably like Europeans

>some kind of primitive wooden sword

this is a spot on comment. if you look arount the fechtbuch jobbies written by joachim meyer and talhofer etc you see that the stick is the basis for teaching all the other weapons - i.e. before you become sword master u must be stick master.

i am continually amazed how all the weapons we had up until the gun powder age were effectively glorified sticks. Even kylie's (karli ) are sort of like this, something than can be thrown and wielded and offering some kind of melee and distance action.

most of stick fighting stuff, while remaining stick fighting stuff is applicable to things like spears, halberds (obviously - stick) and also to double handed weapons such as great sword etc.

the stick. the stick is mighty.

Bad points:
>stupid as fuck
>chronic substance abuse issues
>chronic obesity
>women are uglier than the men
>haka at the drop of a hat
>quick to anger
>stink like melting plastic and deli meats
>gibsmedats parasites
>convinced they are gangstas from Inglewood or Chicago
>rugby is a terrible sport
Good points:
>can assimilate into western society (though almost entirely low/felon class)
>good fighters
>better minority group than most

tl;dr I've yet to meet a maori that wasn't a massive stereotype ala Kev da maori

>rugby is a terrible sport
youre just saying that because you suck at it m8

Actual kiwi joining the party lads.

They killed all the original blonde inhabitants of New Zealand then tried to cover it up to get welfare.

Typical wewuzers.

> On holiday to New Zealand
> Pretty excited
> Been a long flight but finally we land on the Tarmac
> All the New Zealanders on board starting doing the Haka in celebration
> Wtf.avi
> Whatever, it takes over an hour to get into the terminal because some Maori elder has to bless the shuttle bus and luggage carts
> Each blessing includes a Haka
> Hang around in luggage collection for what feels like forever, bags are only arriving on the carousel once every few minutes
> I swear I can periodically hear chanting coming from the hatch the bags come from
> Finally get out of the airport and into a cab
> Before it can drive away some Maori elder starts blessing the thing
> I tell the driver to just go but he accuses me of "offending his people"
> He's as white as me
> The elder is hanging around with his hands out
> I chuck him some change and we start driving
> I ask the driver where he's going because I hadn't given him the hotel address
> "Lord of the rings museum"
> I'm too tired to argue so I ask him to turn on the radio
> It's the Haka

Someone get me out of this hell

this thread is reminding me of that thread over on /x/ a while back where user's crazy aunt was always defending her house out in the NZ wilderness from grudge holding spirits and cryptids who were pissed about something their family did to them decades earlier.

>tfw this is a true story

But Europeans usually cancel mixed people from their ingroup so halfies, quarter and one eights Maoris are pretty legit
What's the point though?
>pretty mundane
Might be the Scandinavian genes that lead to being practical. Well, she always had fascination with Russia, Poland and Slavic culture, history, arts and diplomacy, so she enrolled her nice brown-ish ass into university in my town. we met in the park and I offered her to smoke some pot and enjoyed the craft beer I made, that I had in my remarkably fashionable backpack. She agreed and we had a good time talking about history, politics, surfing and sex. After 4 month of dating her brother finished the high school and decided to study in Russia since she advertised it to him and he liked it here when he was visiting it 5 years ago.

>pol fell for the hori meme

top lel

Barely exaggerating.

Arent the maori people statiscally more prone to be carriers of the "warrior gene" ? Just like blacks

I know they're statistically more prone to carry the fat lazy cunt gene

>maori
>based
youtube.com/watch?v=8umturIehMk

Fucken based!
youtube.com/watch?v=jOr2afXQk9w

Pretty much like the blacks again

>they'll fukken witness me

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