Give me what is truly wrong with socialism pol, I need the redpill

Give me what is truly wrong with socialism pol, I need the redpill

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Nothing.
Can you swallow it?

the fact that white people would have to live with niggers who suck up everything good about socialism

It depend on many factors, the place the race and technology.

I don't trust in a totally socialised society, but some sector must be socialised for being more efficient. If you like your people and nation of course.

The economic calculation problem

Sharing done by threat of force is theft

>sharing
>forced distribution
I fucking hate socialists

Some people don't feel like sharing, and forcing them to is tyranny, not utopia.

It's literally just another form of oligarchy

>Sharing
>Government with force of a gun takes your income from you
sure jogs the ol noggin

Socialism rewards people for nothing, so someone can easily get by without producing anything. Capitalism has many pitfalls, especially since it needs careful balanced regulations in place to keep it working, but it does force people to produce things at least.

>taking away anything you have by force, gunpoint, jail time, fine or taxes
>sharing

no

Socialism
The radical idea of forcing someone to share at gun point.

FIXED

taking power from the strong and capable to give to the weak makes the society weaker overall

It's essentially fully devolved to just another identity movement.

As Maggie Thatcher said, it works great until you run out of other people's money. Reprimanding merit and rewarding sloth is a one way ticket to starvation until the population is small enough to make bread lines work.

Yeah, sharing of hunger

mandatory sharing is not something i approve.

more like

>Socialism: the radical idea of "sharing" your stuff with me.

>sharing
You can't make this shit up.

PS: I share all the time. Willingly.

It's based on these false assumptions about human nature, which psychology has consistently debunked:
>we aren't violent
>we naturally want to share
>greed is a product of society
>we don't have parental instincts
>we don't have a preference for our group
>all people are equal (tabula rasa)
>people are motivated without compensation

Socialism isn't "sharing", it's the government taking your stuff by force and distributing how they see fit, no matter how wrong they are.

Socialism is very good when you share with the people you have racial, cultural bonds with. It is called National Socialism.

>Everyone gets the same amount of money
>Do less work than everyone else
>Still get the same amount of money
>Everyone else catches on and does the same
>Becomes a nation of idle and hedonism

It's that easy to exploit

National Socialism respects private property

Socialism: the radical idea that the government should manage all of our lives because some people are still poor

Its not sharing if you have nothing to contribute.

sounds like Cuba tbqh

socialism is sharing with people without discrimination
every communist ive ever met hated more people than most nazis here
i dont see why theyed willingly have their money spent on bettering them
now in a perfect country with no crime and communist faggots you might have an argument

corrupt government

Socialism rewards weak and stupid people who don't contribute much to society. It's good for well-being of people but bad for the country overall - weakens the military and economic potential in the long run.
Japan, Korea, China, all these countries started blooming then they introduced capitalist reforms. China hasn't much business regulations and now they're worlds 2nd superpower.
Western Europe, eg. Sweden, UK, are becoming more and more socialist and bureaucratic. Now EU is riddled with different crises.
Socialism is not the answer.

>the radical idea of no refunds
thanks for the free beach house senpai

>Becomes a nation of idle and hedonism

Oh I see, your flag is the cause you have so much semen inside your brain.
Let a third worlder educated you "first" worlder:

>everyone stops working
>the ones who work or own a business go bankrupt
>bread lines
>Becomes a nation of poverty, hunger and death

tldr, venezuela

Nope. I'll take Fascism over Nazism every time.

>Work hard
>So others benefit

Check my country history, especially around our second republic. Once you know about what happened to us when we tried socialism you wouldn't want to touch it even with a stick from afar, like water to a rabid animal.

Sharing is charity.
Forced redistribution is socialism.

Why can't you socialists get that through your thick fucking skulls? Oh let me guess, it's justified because consensual trade is 'exploitation', right?

Fuck off.

why tho. why should I give my stuff to you? and what if I refuse?

> people are motivated without compensation

Add 'in a population greater than a Dunbar number' and you've got it.

do not forget and the mass killings and oppression

*forcing people who work for a living to give half their earnings to people who don't, and who don't deserve any

It's easy to be generous with someone else's money

like Hitlers Germany, that was National Socialism

Excellent! "You get more of what you subsidize (the poor) and you get less of what you punish (criminals)" G Gordon Liddy.

Socialist Critique of Capitalism:
> Organizing power in the hands of a small number of people is bad
Socialist Solution:
> Organize all the power in the hands of a small number of people via the government.

Its the idea of Force or Coerced "Sharing"

aka: Altruism.

>t. civic cuck
Fascism is right about a lot of things, but it doesn't go far enough. Blood and soil is how you ensure the survival of a nation.

Everything.

Do your own fucking work. Don't expect anyone beyond your immediate family to give a fuck about you or help you out in a jam for free.

I have everything you need right here friend.

Here is the Gulag Archipelago on audiobook explaining how Socialism's final resolution defacto leads to authoritarian power that punishes success for the action of equality of results (rather than equality of opportunity) and gets violent to make independant individuals not be "greedy"

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But surely the Kulaks deserve it, right?

fuck you

sharing is a dumb idea

why the fuck should i share what i have with you

>b-b-because it's nice

fuck you

"nice" is code for "submissive"

why the fuck should i be submissive

sure, i'll share with my blood

but sharing with some faggot strangers just because you think being submissive is a virtue?

fuck you

>b-b-but sharing makes the world better

you're fucking retarded

how the fuck is the world going to turn into the gay orgy that you want if i decide to share and be a huge submissive cuck

go tell the motherfucking heart-eating child-killing african warlord to share

see how he feels about your bullshit

you can only peddle this submissive shit among other submissive faggots like yoga instructors and broke-ass single mothers

wanton sharing is abject weakness

you want to prostrate yourself before random people because you think debasing yourself like that is a substitute for actually having good character

fuck that

i don't need to share my shit with random assholes to know that i have strong character

>if everyone had stuff, t-t-then there'd be no violence

what a gay pipe dream

you can share material goods, but you can't share the birthright of strength

the world boils down to strong vs weak

if you're weak, you're fucked

if you're strong, you fuck

giving up anything that makes you strong is stupid and counterproductive

why the fuck would i willingly give up assets to voluntarily get fucked

this is the problem with communist shitheads

they truly believe that getting fucked is virtuous behavior

they think that if everyone gets fucked, we'll all be better off

you're all fucking insane

fuck you

get the fuck off my lawn

>mr coconut man collects coconuts all day long
>he gets really really good at it while others suck at it
>he creates a machine or employs people to pick coconut in exchange for coconut
>lazy people who collect no coconut get hungry and starve
>ask coconut man for coconuts and he says no
>they get upset and steal coconut mans coconuts and kill him
>deplete supply of coconuts and everyone starves again
>But this time no coconut man to save the day

Thats whats wrong, alot more take than what they give.

>I need the redpill
Road to Serfdom by Hayek. No one put arguments against socialism into words better than him.

The only real crime is theft.
Murder is theft of life. Rape is theft of sexual sovereignty.
Socialism is theft. Ever heard of the 80/20 rule? If you take most of the wealth/income of the top percent you are taking money away from the most productive people. Removing their incentive to be productive.
Our whole species, our whole civilisation is hanging on a knife edge. We need huge amounts of technological innovation to happen FAST. And you want to remove incentive from innovation?
Not only is socialism theft from the wealthy. It's theft from all of us.

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Just watch some JP. He dismantles it quite handedly.

Is there a reason they do that? It honestly just looks like shit.

People forget the context in which soicalism was originally founded. During the industrial revolution, workers had virtually no rights and probably lived more miserable lives than hunters and gatherers tens of thousands years ago.

Vacations and week-ends are seen today as a given, but it had to be earned by socialists. With that said, socialism solves all problems of life with more state power. In many cases, it ended up with a totalitarian state that butchered its own people to the tune of millions.

Anacho capitalists I would say, are the opposite of socialists. They believe that government only makes thigns worse. Sure, free markets, on the long term, do igve better goods and services. But the downside is that it allows for the existence of pointless suffering. Say a service provider is acting irrational (humans are known to do that), and discriminates against a certain group, or does some sort of unethical behaviour. Certes, under a free market, that service provider would eventually be replaced by a competitor or realize that their behaviour is costing them money. But still, during that period of adjustment, during this period where an actor in the free market is acting subparly, there is undue suffering happening.

My point is, the role of goverment is to have social policies sufficient to alleviate its people's from preventable or easily defendable natural or economical distress. And ideally, provide tools for its citizens to reach their potential in the market.

TL;DR: The free market's priority is making money. Making money can sometimes be done on detriment of the population. The role of goverment is to prioritize the well being of its people and limit the market when it is detrimental

I'll czech em.

its a ponzi scheme

this guy gets it

It very

annoying

to read

that's why

I stopped

midway

you literally made the same point as he did

Nothing so long as it's coupled with nationalism.

bro i'm actually from myspace

i'm even typing this on a blackberry

great argument bro

cool memes

Soil, yes, blood, makes no sense in the USA. We're a nation of mongrels including "white" people who have blood of slavs, germanic, aryans, etc. I still hold on to the melting pot theory. Assimilate or GTFO. Helicopter Libertarianism is the way to go.

Someone who's never been able to maintain wealth in a free society will squander it once it's been redistributed from the more competent. They will continue this trend until everyone is left destitute.

I love phone posters

>muh sharing
Sharing other peoples stuff isn't sharing. It's stealing.

Sharing is great if you're a useless poor person but not so great if you're the guy with his shit together. I have some faggit neighbir that wastes his money on all kinds of dumb shit but never has a fuckin wrench. He's always trying to borrow mine and gets all pissy when I tell him no. This is the problem with socialism. Some people just suck at managing themselves and now it's everybody else's problem that my fuckface neighbor never has a wrench but has two jetskis he's used twice in four years. It's my fault he doesn't have a wrench according to socialists. Fuck them.

Man I forgot all about this shit. I knew a dude at work who donated like $2000 to Bernie and had like 7 bumper stickers on his car. Too funny.

try to contain your enthusiasm

i already have a main girl

you can be my side bitch tho

The USA was segregated until not too long ago and it flourished like that. What's wrong with segregation?

Socialism: the radical idea of sharing other people's stuff because you're ineptitude prevents you from earning it yourself

Marxism. Marxism is the aspect of socialism that divides the population, encourages theft over altruism, and eventually leads to communism. Remove the oppression lens that encourages the (((international workers))) to overthrow all government based on the fact that there are wealthy people, and replace it with the fascist desires of self improvement and national pride, also with a homogenous society. Socialism can work when there is a high degree of trust and a ubiquitous ethic of hard work and self improvement. Marxism encourages acceptance of everyone for who they are, faults and all. Marxism denies you the ability to criticize other cultures. (((Marxism))) is a cancer that leads to communism no matter the government.

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Could not have put it more eloquently myself

Shut your ass up tyrone.

Sharing at gunpoint*

>Take from the nation and reditribute it to whomever

It's incomplete. It rejects national protectionist concepts. Therefore it's nothing but a drain on the people.

We need to legitimately help the nigs, and by that I mean not just exchange gibs for votes. I'm not arguing for widespread miscegenation, but we can't continue to maintain a class of unproductive people for purely political reasons. We need a cultural change that values skills and jobs, and the blacks need to be included. They have to have a stake in society, otherwise they have no reason to not be niggers.

haha cool meme dude

you had it saved on ur PC and everything

had no idea a meme champ was in this thread

>socializing the production of the West and the poverty of the 3rd world
We have to jump ship, this shit isn't going to end well

>Getting this asshurt
Reddit is bad for your brain

Socialist want to enjoy sharing fruits, not the labor needed to grow them. End of story.

Communist can work on a local scale, where you know people.
But as soon as it gets to a level where unknown people have to make decisions about how things are shared is where you get your usual tyrant leader.
It will never work for nations.

Venezuela. that's all you need to know.

Lol totally false, a socialism work is EVERIBODY do their job, and share the time necessary.

No one values things they don't own.

same with democracy tbqh
the failed gods of the 20th century

The radical idea of saying yes to everything because too beta to state your ideas.

Came here to post this.

It's time for the dead God of the 20th century to reawaken...

Also, an overpowered state such as communist Russia represents a cruel inversion of how power is usually shared in humans societies.

The norm is that the patriarch of a family of humans holds power within its family. Then, the leader of a small town still has power over that town, but much less so than the way a father has power over its children.

In deeply socialist societies, the state has more power over children than their own parents.

I think that the defacto hierachy of who rules over a person, in an ideal world should be something like:
The person itself > its family > its community >its city/region > its country > aligned countries > the world at large

The problem with the EU for example, is that the supranational level is having more power over people than it should, as a result many see it as illegitimate (because it is) and oppose it.

I think the UN is a better model as it really does not hold much power, it is just some sort of fingerwagging at whatever state is behaving badly. Beware of anyone willing to relinquish power to a higher level of goverment. Power should always be relinquished to a smaller/more local level, not the other way arround.

Socialism precludes sharing because it is done at the point of a gun.

But that's not REAL socialism :^))))))

great analysis freud

whered you get your psychoanalytics degree

PS: im from AOL startpage breh, don't get it twisted

indeed

>Bottom left
We used to laugh this off

Why need them at all? What exactly do they provide?