A ridiculous bait-thread made by clown-ass user earlier this morning stated that we 'lost' the Iraq War and I'm just making this because, regardless of that being a bait thread, it is still a common meme that the US was 'losing' in Vietnam and 'lost' the Iraq War. That we 'lose' is a fake meme made by them to black pill us.
it is not true.
Although both wars were dumb, based on mostly bullshit and served no purpose, we were not 'losing' in Vietnam and we did not 'lose' in Iraq. In Vietnam, we had 1/10th the casualties that the enemy had. We were grinding them all the way into dust. The American people ultimately decided to end the war due to MSM pro-communist propaganda. We were not 'losing'. You can say it was a dumb war, fine. But we were not 'losing'. If we continued, we would have eventually won.
In Iraq, the US hung Saddam, assraped his regime and destroyed all of his forces within about 2 weeks. He was literally hiding in a hole.
So fuck off with these communist anti-American lies.
I care about facts faggot and the dissemination of the truth. And I explicitly said "both wars were dumb, based on mostly bullshit and served no purpose" CAN YOU NOT READ?
Michael Phillips
I would win inside her colon.
Hudson Cox
Let's be honest here, Democrats lost us Vietnam.
Aaron Phillips
"We teach our boys to drop fire on people but they are not allowed to write Fuck on their airplanes." -Col. Kurtz
America lost the wars before a single shot was fired. America lacks the will to seek ultimate victory. We will win in every single engagement. But we lack the strength to do what must be done to ensure totality of triumph.
Lucas Young
Im here just for the sauce.
Angel Myers
This is true but people who hate America won't believe history. if it means they can win an argument on an online messaging board.
Dylan Richardson
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Zachary Bennett
She is like pumped up version of Lauren Southren
Luis Sullivan
beth lily makes me so hard FUCK
Camden Carter
You couldn't possibly have won Vietnam without starting WW3.
Noah Moore
Bullshit on Vietnam, the search and destroy tactics would have never worked. Tell me how America could have won when after capturing an area they'd fuck off back to base, just so charlie could come back a few days later to retake the land. Completely unopposed.
Aaron Perez
Lauren looks like *that*?!
Ryder Gray
video cant be real
Jaxon Smith
Finally Jethro coming through with the name.
Grayson Gray
You make a comment like this but provide no facts to back it up. + ur a Communist faggot. What a surprise.
Levi Harris
>In Vietnam, we had 1/10th the casualties that the enemy had. We were grinding them all the way into dust. Using this logic, you could say that Rhodesia won the Bush War.
Grayson Ramirez
We did win vietnam, dumbass. N. vietnam surrendered to us, meeting all of our terms. All of them. We made a deal with S. vietnam for a 1:1 replacement of all equipment that they used or lost. The dems refused to fund it, after we left. When N.V. saw this, then they invaded the south. 2 Years after we left. We did win.
Jace Fisher
Because strangely enough, when you just keep bombing enemies in enemy territory with no fear of them ever invading your own lands, they eventually run out of people.
John Clark
No tattoos ok Clean canvas ok All natural? Doubtful...
>We were grinding them all the way into dust. The American people ultimately decided to end the war due to MSM pro-communist propaganda. So, we did lose. To communists.
Anthony Wood
Invading the north with US ground troops was the only way your nation could win but that would lead to China and possibly even the Warsaw Pact intervening which would start WW3.
Lincoln Moore
Exactly.
In the Vietnam war, everytime America took a strategic checkpoint from the enemy, the commanders were told to let it go. The ONLY goal was to kill as many people as possible, and they succeeded. I'm not sure why the elites/bankers/kikes wanted to do this, nor do I care.
Iraq was a swift win. Saddam didn't want to use the American dollar, and that's americas biggest export, printed money. So they killed him.
Adrian James
comparing the size and raw economic power you didnt win either
Nolan Miller
If Charlie is dead he isn't coming back to life brainlet. This isn't the walking dead, this is real life. You kill the enemy till they are gone or what's left of them submit completely to you. There isn't an unlimited supply of the enemy either. This defeatist GAY black pilled attitude is common amongst britcucks these days. With all that estrogen in your nuts you guys will be growing titties and vaginas pretty soon.
Hudson Jenkins
>objectives not completed
Samuel Adams
It's called attrition. Grant won the Civil War in the same way, it's also why Sherman did his march. The goal of attrition is to make the war so costly and politically untenable as to cause a surrender. We lost 58k men KIA and about 150k wia, the NVA lost 2million kia and another 3 million wia
The Vietnam war couldn't be won by the US. The entire point of it from our side was to inflict maximum casualties and pull out. The US lost around 60,000 and inflicted anywhere between 600,000-1,000,000 deaths, so they did "win" by accomplishing what they set out to do. Here's the redpill. Recently declassified MAD reasoning of the time indicated they were concerned with a huge flaw with the general system. Communist adversaries could do "death by a thousand cuts" movements that, while violent, would never rise to the level where MAD kicked in, rendering it largely useless for this type of scenario. Everybody knew that fairly major conventional conflicts would not trigger a nuclear war.
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Andrew Martin
>In the Vietnam war, everytime America took a strategic checkpoint from the enemy, the commanders were told to let it go. The ONLY goal was to kill as many people as possible, and they succeeded. I'm not sure why the elites/bankers/kikes wanted to do this, nor do I care.
You can find out by watching YouTube.
> LBJ consented to JFK's murder. > Domestic culture war begins immediately alongside Vietnam War. > LBJ used to choose over breakfast what bombs our guys could use. > LBJ used to signal the Viet Cong about impending bombing runs through the Swiss Embassy. > Unpopular LBJ sneaks out of office so Nixon can get blame. > South Vietnam still held under treaty when Nixon pulled out. > North Vietnam breaks treaty, Democrats won't let Nixon provide air support to the South's troops. > The Democrats wanted America to suffer.
William Clark
That makes sense.
But why not just "win" the war? I can see it in the civil war etc.... but against Vietnam, they could have just overtaken them, which they were doing. Or are you saying after America would have taken the land, the Vietcong would have just kept causing problems by yeti to still fight in the region?
Isaiah Evans
ITT: Butthurt Merkin man is proud of his cuntries colonial ambitions - even when they failed. Dismally.
Don't sweat it m8 - you guys always win the War on Drugs and we were breddy Shocked and Awed for a while....
Isaac Brown
That is not how wars are won. If you actually took the time to learn about the tactics used during the Vietnam war you'd understand how and why America got btfo. The yanks were using the most retarded tactics, Prehaps they could have won if they did the most basic thing like, idk. Keeping troops on captured ground. Like your a burger you should know about Hamburger hill. I mean really dude you seem proud of your ignorance.
Jaxson Wood
> Invading the north with US ground troops was the only way your nation could win
You fail to explain WHY. You just keep repeating the same stupid ideas and a typical communist retard. There is no reason we had to invade. And even if we did we choose to invade we would have ripped China a gigantic gaping new asshole. We were by far superior to them in every conceivable way at that time.
Brody Allen
You 100% lost the Iraq war, Iran runs the whole country of Iraq now from Basra to Mosul. Also because of you invasion of Iraq, Europe will be converted to Islam. The flow of Muslims to Europe will only increase. If you think you're winning the war look at the NYC skyline again. Remember your place as cowards, until u acctep Allah alhamdulilahiwabbilallameen then you are worthless infidels on the side of Satan. FACE IT! The only hope you have is in infinite mercy of Allah.
Jack Young
Interdasting
Michael Moore
>Killing gooks and sandniggers is an achievement Thanks America for creating al Qaeda and Isis from the ashes of Iraq leading to millions of deaths. Purely for (((wmds))), you are the good goyim of the world and won't be stopped until they have used you for your petro dollar.
Jace Diaz
The US was particularly concerned about the following strategy from Communist or Socialist movements: slow simmering proxy conflicts funded by USSR/China that slowly creep and surround US interests. These movements would grab hold in Asia and South America and over several decades would starve the US of allies and operating space around the globe.
Even if a MAD party were to fight a war or proxy war to a decisive win, at the point where the USSR/China/USA would be directly invaded, well, nukes would become fair game again. So basically, there's no real winning possible because to truly win a conflict implies that the root of the conflict would be resolved. Because the roots of the conflicts were MAD parties, the best that can be done is conventional deterrence.
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Kayden Adams
Fuck you faggot Stop a skinny fat dicklet bitch
Nathan Gutierrez
Yeah, if you kill your enemies, they win.
Chase Ortiz
Just a reminder you will get to die an infidel but later generations will not have that option.
Zachary Howard
> The Vietnam war couldn't be won by the US.
This is black pilled faggot talk.
Aiden Adams
>we would have ripped China a gigantic gaping new asshole >what is nuclear war? Why are Americans so retarded?
Tyler Lewis
I can't believe that faggot let her follow through with marrying him. He should have done the right thing and broke up with her and then killed himself.
Sebastian Ramirez
This is an over 18 board.
Lincoln Wood
War isn't an fps game, you don't win a war by having a better k/d ratio. Look at the eastern front the Nazis killed way more soviets yet the soviets won that war. I mean shit user this is real basic stuff.
Nolan James
you do know the christian population in some middle east countries is slowly rising
John Watson
Will contribute to discussion, but first: Hot damn, beautiful girl! I keep a file with great girls sorted, and I prune it clean of vapid whores (because even cuteness cannot offset coalburning and virtue signalling for me). Who's that?
Ian Martin
>If you actually took the time to learn about the tactics used during the Vietnam war you'd understand how and why America got btfo
They didn't you retard. I already explained that we killed 10x as many people as they did. Does that sound like being BTFO'd? If you fought against ten people and beat the shit out of ten of them before you dropped would you say you were 'BTFO'd'? fuck off.
And The reason America CHOSE to leave Vietnam is because of blue pilled brainwashed faggots like you.
Camden Bennett
Sure, if you're the head of Lockheed-Martin, then you won the Iraq war.
Blake Stewart
yeah whatever mudslime
Owen Martinez
If you run away as fast as you can screaming and crying and falling off the top of your own embassy as you clamor onto the last helicopter leaving the country you win. Arrogant fool, you will spend eternity in hell with you Yid masters lol.
Noah Reyes
The US "Lost" Vietnam and all its "Reconstruction wars" because they are antithetical to the Western model of warfare > Overwhelming force > Rapid mobility > Decisive maneuver.
There is nothing that was accomplished in Afghanistan after 2002 that couldn't have been done exclusively with small commando units. It was and is not America's place to reform Pashtun culture "for their own good".
Iraq went to shit for similar reasons - the NeoCohens running foreign policy decided that deconstructing the Ba'athist regime was a higher priority than replacing its leader with a more agreeable one and thereby co-opting it. For comparison, consider that the roots of the South Korean government were in the Colonial Japanese administration: they were all collaborators and admirers of Imperial Japan, and copied its administration (and subsequent reconstruction) when rebuilding the country.
Grayson Lopez
he died a couple years later anyway
so everybody was happy in the end
Mason Cruz
>dude we won wars lmao >becomes 42% white face
What a fucking burger faggot you are.
Ian Phillips
The eventual conclusion the US reached was that the only to avoid this was to jack up theoretical costs in the game theory of these types of conflict. If you are planning on fighting a simmering, low-intensity proxy war, that's one thing. However, if there is a credible chance that the US shows up, completely wrecks your shit, salts the fucking earth (agent orange), and pushes directly right back towards your doorstep, that changes the calculus dramatically for these types of conflicts.
Regardless of what everyone says, at the highest levels, the US knew that they could not truly win the Vietnam war. They had to pretend like they could, and make the other parties believe it, but they knew they could not. But they knew that they had to fight a few of these types of conflicts to deter other of the same types of conflict, and to make US threats of violence in small-scale Commie/Socialist "revolutions" credible.
Brandon Miller
Burgers lost Vietnam wars tho, and got rekt by talibans in Iraq wars.
Cooper Hughes
Do you really think China could have defeated the USA? That's the most laughably absurd thing I have ever heard of. They probably couldn't win in a war against us today for fucks sake.
Bentley Harris
Both of those wars were lost because no political objectives were achieved. Having a higher kill/death ratio than your enemy doesn't mean you "won" a conflict.
Christopher Hughes
kek you've been BTFO so hard in every recent war look at how many of your faggot soldiers have PTSD now
Nicholas Torres
>The American people ultimately decided to end the war due to MSM pro-communist propaganda. Wrong. The Tet Offensive, while a disaster at first, spooked the Americans into thinking the goods had a fuck ton of man power to throw at the south. It felt endless even though we were so close to ending it.
Julian Cooper
Beth is such a bitch thought. She is hunting down every site on the planet that uploads her older topless pics. All because she wants people to pay for her whore site.
Landon Baker
You're a shit tier troll
David Howard
Nobody would have won WW3 dumbass, everyone in the northern hemisphere would be nuked to the fucking stone age.
Nicholas Smith
HA!
He purposely overdosed on heroin, google it infidel. He killed himself in a disgusting humiliating fashion like 25 of your Long War vets do every day. Remember your place as a godless infidel.
Julian Scott
Name is Bethany Lily
Camden Baker
>you do know the christian population in some middle east countries is slowly rising
Hudson Scott
lel
Jace Perez
Lmao, ok. You just keep letting your soldiers die without killing people and see how that works out for you.
Also:
Dylan Allen
That's what happens when some of your forces actually SURVIVE, you filthy little fucking sand nigger.
Robert Ortiz
>the US knew that they could not truly win the Vietnam war
Is this misinformation or ignorance? I just told you that the US won the Vietnam War and the Democrats scuttled the victory.
Chase Ross
Yeah your completely unable to fourm and argument because you don't actually know anything about Nam. In a war you needn o capture areas you don't just win by killing as many as you can. I think your ego is somewhat built on the idea that America is invincible because you yourself haven't accomplished anything.
Like read up on this shit before you try arguing your dumb point because all your doing is looking stupid. Your only argument is no cause i say so, kek you Americans are so oftenly childish.
Kevin Ramirez
>winning >the historical ignorance race
Luke Wilson
>burger mocks other countries military >people mock his military >cry
>won the iraq war >half the country is now a staging ground for an anti-american terrorist caliphate
thanks fat retards
Anthony Miller
top kek
Lucas Hill
The VC were numerous and more than willing to die. You have no idea. I mean what was so good about American tactics during that war, please tell me how America could have won..
Carter Garcia
t. neocuck LBJ was the one pushing for the war to the point it reached by '68, but around that time he decided it was a lost cause and started the ending of American involvement basically. Nixon took credit for it and pretended it was all him for ending American involvement. There was no communist propaganda and it wouldn't have mattered anyway cause the American people don't democratically decide on wars dumbass. The war wasn't as unpopular as it's made out to be anyway. Iraq was just unpopular and unwarranted, Saddam's regime was what was stopping the spread of radical terrorists like Al-Quada and later ISIS from springing up. American involvement in the middle east has only worsened the problems there. The closest thing to a vested interests in Iraq was oil, masqueraded by the justification of alleged WMDs. washingtonsblog.com/2013/03/top-republican-leaders-say-iraq-war-was-really-for-oil.html
Carter Smith
Our "Godlessness" is why we are able to rule the world and subjugate Muslims. Until you stop believing in fairy tales, you will be oppressed.
Connor Lee
> You 100% lost the Iraq war
The STATED GOALS of the Iraq war were to toppled Saddam's regime in order to prevent it from getting access to weapons of mass destruction. There were no other goals.
Within about a week those goals were accomplished. I'm not saying they made sense or that we should have done this, but those were the goals and they were accomplished.
So WTF are you and these other faggots even talking about?
> Iran runs the whole country of Iraq now from Basra to Mosul.
That has nothing to do with the Iraq war imo and is related to the events that followed the ACCOMPLISHED MISSION of the Iraq war. The Iraq War was not a perpetual never ending thing, it happened and ended. We won.
If Iran owns it now, it's due to the faggot Obama withdrawing our troops because a bunch of stupid communist leftists were whining for years about withdrawing troops like it was another Vietnam.
> The flow of Muslims to Europe will only increase. If you think you're winning the war look at the NYC skyline again.
This has nothing to do with THE IRAQ WAR, which is what I am talking about you stupid towel head. It's obvious Islam has made advances in the west due to our weak gay liberal leadership. Nobody disputes that.
> Remember your place as cowards, until u acctep Allah alhamdulilahiwabbilallameen then you are worthless infidels on the side of Satan. FACE IT! The only hope you have is in infinite mercy of Allah.
Go back to your goat muhammed and suck that urine out of the cow.
Benjamin Young
And yet Nixon ran a campaign on ending American involvement in Vietnam and actually succeeded in pulling out, even though he was falsely taking credit for something LBJ started doing just before Nixon was elected.
Aaron Walker
that's big talk for someone whos capital isnt even fucking white lol
Wyatt Scott
Numerous people in this thread have just told you how you're wrong, idiot.
Brayden Lopez
I'd like to pull up that skirt just a tad and enter her from the rear.
Julian Hill
D.C. isn't majority white desu. It hasn't been for decades. >According to 2016 Census Bureau data, the population of Washington, D.C. was 47.7% Black or African American, 44.6% White (36.4% non-Hispanic White), 4.1% Asian, 0.6% American Indian or Alaska Native, and 0.2% Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander. Individuals from two or more races made up 2.7% of the population. Hispanics of any race made up 10.9% of the District's population. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.#Demographics
Wyatt Morgan
>The STATED GOALS of the Iraq war were to toppled Saddam's regime in order to prevent it from getting access to weapons of mass destruction. There were no other goals. You are an idiot of the highest order. These were the PUBLICLY stated goals, not the actual objectives of the war you dumb fuck.
Landon Gomez
READ MY POST BRAINLET. I clearly states: "both wars were dumb, based on mostly bullshit and served no purpose". This is verbatum in my original post.
If you can not read my post in it's full detail I won't read your response. So I'm not reading your turd response.
Carson Bell
Material devastation of the enemy (eg, lives, money, guns, etc) is not the terminal goal of wars; they are at most a means to various ends. The goal of the Vietnam War was to contain communism. This was not achieved, and communism actually spread throughout SEA. This did not change until domestic forces, geopolitics (specifically, fear of China), and time made Vietnam more open to good relations with the US. The Vietnam War was therefore a loss in every meaningful way.
David Bell
The goals of those wars was to go more into debt to the (((federal reserve))) while at the same time killing as many young right wing americans.
Going to war meant you lost, look around you. Communism and 20 trillion debt.
Liam Evans
>the actual objectives of the war Israel won the Iraq war.
Michael Campbell
Iraq was less than useless but Vietnam did stop the spread of Communism in Asia.