Fuck it... libertarianism failed (Paul)... conservativism failed.. Trump is a disappointment... the Democrats are shit...

Fuck it... libertarianism failed (Paul)... conservativism failed.. Trump is a disappointment... the Democrats are shit, the Republicans are neocons... I think it's time we give Marxism-Leninism a try. Who is with me, comrades?

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>libertarianism failed
gr8 b8 m8 no (you) for you.

Liberalism is shit.

fuck drumpf and fuck white people
the future is BLACK

>Liberalism is shit
No, what constitutes as liberalism today isn't liberalism. Collectivism and Statism are shit, classical liberalism is life

True Collectivism and true Statism has never been tried

Every communist country has failed and either collapsed or reverted to capitalism.

communism is literally demon possession

whoa... really makes you want to give your kid hormone blockers

Read this.

That was not TRUE communism.

SOMEBODY didn't get paid by CTR yet.

The new working class character of the Republican party that Trump introduced with his populism is ripe for radicalization. They're highly critical of much of capitalism already, and only need class consciousness to see the necessity of revolution.

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>True Collectivism and true Statism has never been tried
I too am a blind idealist who believes in a kumbaya world and that no one will resist it....

I wonder if there are connections between CTR shills and Verrit

Good post.

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all fucking commies must fucking hang
>in all fields

The only good that communism brings is that it kills millions of communists whenever it is attempted.

Nah, I like food to much; and I don't want my region to turn into Venezuelababwe.

>CTR
>calling Democrats shit
???

Full Marxism is degenerate and self-defeating.

National Socialism is the answer to all ills.

>They're highly critical of much of capitalism already, and only need class consciousness to see the necessity of revolution.

No they're critical of globalism + corporatism not capitalism. The irony is that if they did want a revolution is that it would be to get rid of the leftist shits and the corrupt shits not to implement psychotic marxist shit.

That's for correcting the record.

News are still fake, and they are especially fake when discussing socialism. They literally have every reason in the world to lie to you about it.

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Go home leftypol

>lists things that 'failed'
>come on guys lets try communism
no.

maybe 30 years ago. but lately they've been shilling socialism pretty hard.

it seems like they never hated communism, they just hated russia. i smell jews.

btw, Obama and Killary are to be hanged and establishment Democrats and Republicans, along with the Pentagon and alphabet soup are to be dumped in a mass grave

They argue for the workers to seize the means of production?

Niggers + maximum leftism = shit, every time.

I'm not a capitalist cuck, I realize that certain corporations and (((oligarchs))) are detrimental to the nation, and need to be executed with pneumatic, tungsten-carbide guillotines. However, I don't want to eliminate the capitalist system and property altogether; because it creates the most GDP, and prevents rule by retarded proles/their appeasers.

I'm a NatSoc. I love nationalism and ethnocentrism too much to ever become a nihilistic globalist Marxist.

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>Implying the Soviet Union didn't fail
Let's try National-Capitalism

Commies can't bantz. The difference between capitalism and corporatism is that capitalism and capitalists stay in their sector and not get involved in influencing government whereas corporatists get involved in every level of every sector.

tl;dr

Capitalism = Free market doing it's work
Corporatists = Shits who try to force the market in their favor by gaining control of other sectors

No shit, useful idiots always get it in the end. The hilariousness is that you guys don't even have any power though, no army, police force or public to back you up. You'd literally have to get a foreign army to back your shit because you have so few people on your side and so few weapons.

>National Socialism is the answer to all ills
>Wanting bigger government because it fits your ideology

This is why we can't have nice things.

NatCap/NatSoc can't succeed unless we eliminate the treasonous (((bankers))) and other globalists.

There are too many kikes in Trump's admin,, and he's Zionist as fuck. We need a leader more like David Duke, ideally.

i literally see dumb college girls on tinder who say "seize the means of production" in their profiles... they're not reading it in books, i can tell you that much.

i'd settle for collective bargaining rights for workers.

>claims to not be a cuck
>immediately follows up with the most classcucked thing he can say
Like clockwork.

Nah, they are liberals LARPing as socialists. Do I really need to explain how liberalism functions to Sup Forumsyps?

>Conservatism failed
If by that you mean failed to stay popular sure, but when in effect it creates a very successful and happy society. Hippies and their deliberate deconstruction of culture destroyed it all.

Feh, fascism promotes class collaboration. No thanks.
They are against individual elements of capitalism, they just haven't assembled those elements together in a coherent way to understand that everything they are opposing is connected.

>hated failure
>DAE WANNA TRY THE MOST-FAILEDEST IDEOLOGY XDDDD
Sage

probably for the best - commies are delusional. every commie i meet thinks that all scarcity is just a product of "capitalist profit seeking"

... as though capitalists invented scarcity to keep the proletariat down.

you people are barely-coherent lunatics.

Is that Ice-T?

Bigger government is necessary in some cases to prevent Marxist subversion. For instance, the Google CEOs are clearly leftist cucks, and they use their billions of shekels to support leftist, anti-white causes. I would liquidate their company and execute their CEOs if I were Fuhrer.

Also, the open borders libertardians are self-defeating; because keeping your borders open just lets-in more 3rd-world niggers that vote for Marxism, rob/kill whites, and erode our culture while replacing it with theirs.

"You have built your economy and investments on Usury. As a result of this, in all its different forms and guises, the Jews have taken control of your economy, through which they have then taken control of your media, and now control all aspects of your life making you their servants and achieving their aims at your expense; precisely what Benjamin Franklin warned you against"

>being so autistic that you can't support class cooperation, even when it's more efficient

Okay, so nigger street gangs (anarcho-communism) or dystopian bureaucracy (North Korea), take your pic. Both have shit-tier GDP, and both crush culture, and will lead to you be surrounded by niggers that hate you no matter how hard you cuck for them.

No shit dude.
What? You think any form of government that involves the status quote of the entire base of the American system could work?

We still haven't tried pic related.

Funny, every capitalist I've met thinks that all scarcity is only a problem of technology, and that there is potential for INFINITE economic growth. They're cornucopians.

There's a difference between current scarcity situation, and scarcity as a concept. The US Government literally pays farmers NOT to grow food, so the commies have you beat on the issue. The De Beers situation should've been a massive hint.

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Per capita GDP doesn't actually mean anything for the working class. Class cooperation is only efficient at producing profits.

Agriculture subsidies don't reflect the entire economy.

Bigger government is what has allowed Marxist subversion how do you think they spread their shit? Our education system is one giant cesspool for Marxist shilling not the market. Google's and Facebook's obvious political groupings have become more and more outgoing and recognizable and because of that people (and the Market) are already going about fixing itself/things by creating new services. When companies become politically biased they almost always lose business, in the case of FB or Twitter that's become a lot easier as for Google people might have a hard time but there are more and more services out there competing with google than others may know. In the end they're digging themselves into a hole.

>Also, the open borders libertardians are self-defeating; because keeping your borders open just lets-in more 3rd-world niggers that vote for Marxism, rob/kill whites, and erode our culture while replacing it with theirs.

That's why leftist libertarians run the LP and why Rothbardian, Von Mises, Rand, Friedman, Hayek types have almost entirely left the party and are just independent. The LP and Leftist Libertarians and fucking jokes and like the Dems and Marxist shits, they feel more than they think.They play checkers when they should be playing chess or fucking Shogi for that matter.

Wow, even among the non-commie countries the whiter they are, the better off they are. Its like perfect correlation.

i mostly hear that line of reasoning from the "automated luxury socialism" tards... most of the self-described capitalists i know recognize that we're actually fighting wars for oil and that there's no free lunch

>government handouts = capitalism because the US does it
didn't FDR start that program because his jew overlords commanded him to?

Well, we're talking about "scarcity" here, so food, and its distribution are a major issue.

Go suck a nigger dick commie

In most cases it does, though. Finland has half of Hungary's population, but has a much higher HDI. Years of cuckmunism made Hungary shitty; not to mention that the Soviets literally bulldozed and dynamited several of their beautiful historical landmarks for being "too nationalistic".

Also, are you an anarcho-communist, or a Leninist vanguard dictatorship type?

Get fucked desu

They honestly think that it is capitalists fault that people around the world are starving and not the fact that cultures and civilizations develop at different rates. or that the reason some people are still starving or living in squalor is because people keep chucking charity at them instead of actually teaching people how to care for themselves.

Ironically once again their virtue signalling time and time again is causing more harm then good. They've created people dependent on others intervention.

Losers choose communism, then they make their country more shit.

>That's why leftist libertarians run the LP and why Rothbardian, Von Mises, Rand, Friedman, Hayek types have almost entirely left the party and are just independent.

I admit that I respect Hans-Hermann Hoppe for being de facto nationalistic, and subtly admitting that white nations would be the best for libtertarianism.

Capitalism is absolute cancer, but I'm not convinced that socialism is the only alternative or solution, there has to be something else out there.

I dont hate rich people.

I do hate white champagne socialists who think that they can bring about a stable communist society with 100% social trust and cooperation through divide and conquer identity politics. At this point, all races/religions/sexual orientations hate each other so much the only way a communist society could even function is an ethnostate of some kind because you el tardos have ratcheted social alienation into the stratosphere.

And when all the spics start beheading you with chain saws en masse because non-hispanics are a threat to the revolution, you'll cry that it's not real communism. Fuck leftists.

Something like...Third Position?

I find I hilarious that you 'socialist' believe you can co-exist with Marxism. Why don't you read up on the Soviet Union and how they sent you fucking rat's to the same Gulags as the 'bourgeois' when the dusts settled.

you've come to the right place

I literally never see Venezuela on the news outside of right wing YouTube stars

You know, Fascism actually works. You don't have to become a Marxist.

That pic is extremely racist, insensitive, and hateful. Please post a trigger warning next time, shitlord.

They're too busy talking about Russia. :^)

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Die

No Jew, we won't be doing that. You'll be the oven instead.

Vice is pretty leftist, and they have several videos of the street protests there.

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Communism is for weak pussies literal cuckolds of the state. It's the opposite of being German a true German loves capitalism because it's a strong and it makes people strong! Deutschland!

Most US leftists don't support literal state-controlled economies and totalitarian cronyism a la the Soviets/Venezuela's current government/North Korea, believe it or not. Lack of civil liberties counters the core of most US liberals' beliefs.

Communism already failed desu, try and keep up.

So what are you then, an anarcho-communist?

Hoppe is right about some things and wrong about others but he generally has it correct. I wouldn't say he's really nationalistic in the sense of nationalism or patriotism as viewed by extremists (left or right) but instead agrees with the fact that a nation works best when they share a culture.

>subtly admitting that white nations would be the best for libtertarianism.

I don't think he was doing it in a Nazi or ethno-state way but instead saying that the best countries at the time that could actually do it would be European countries because of how well they've actually been able to develop. For instance I'd say that Japan, while being highly advanced and highly innovative wouldn't be able to have as well as a transition to a libertarian society as well as Korea could for instance. The history of Japan has been full of class systems and a culture of doing everything for their Daimyo's, counties, provinces, villages etc. whereas Korea's history is full of invasions by China and Japan creating enough of a sense that they should stick together as Koreans but otherwise the people should be able to be individuals and work as they see fit.

Asian countries and Asian cultures have developed in similar ways to European and the big reason that European countries are more often considered to be better for Libertarianism is because of the ideas of a Democracy a Republic and Classical Liberalism all came from Europe. While Europe was creating these ideas and philosophies of freedom and individuality Asian countries were still being controlled by overreaching governments. China's Emperor's, Japan's Emperor's and Shogun's, Mongolia's Khanate etc. almost every country in Asia suppressed the ideas of freedom and individuality whereas in Europe even if the rulers didn't like it they allowed it to be philosophized, they didn't actively suppress it. Individualism, Democracy, Classical Liberalism; they're core tenets in Western Societies beliefs and values.

Translation: they don't stand for anything and have no consistent principles, but they are really good at criticizing everything they don't like about society as it currently exists

Jesus fucking Chirst, poor bate faggots. National Socialism didn't fail, but communism has failed repeatedly.

No just a centrist who agrees with certain ideas across the breadth of the spectrum. I can support strong border security while still hating Trump. I can support that people with gender dysphoria should still be treated with basic human dignity while still hating Tumblrinas and SJWs. Etc. Ideologies are useless in and of themselves.

Someone post the antifa image guide about shilling here on Sup Forums
This here is a shill thread, by the way

The media is literally controlled by Marxists and Jews, socialism is misrepresented by the mainstream media, but not in the way you think.

Can't argue with that, desu.

>Most US leftists don't support literal state-controlled economies and totalitarian cronyism a la the Soviets/Venezuela
True and yet they still support governments nationalization of certain industries and regulating the ever living shit out of the free market. They somehow believe that opening up the market on a global scale will create work for people outside the US that will help develop their nations. They look at small populated nations like Norway who have a huge GDP because of their oil industry and think that the US could do something similar, they think about immediate stuff they don't think long term and their feelings help block out thinking long term. The annoying thing that I've found is that they are correct about what's wrong with things but they are so blindly idealistic that they don't seem to understand that the policies they want won't fix anything but will just create more problems.

I'd argue that whites also have a genetic predisposition for intelligence, dedication to work (low time preference), and individualism itself. White culture has also been laced with elements that promote individualism and capitalism as well, such as the Protestant Work Ethic, that made the UK, and later the US, such industrial powerhouses and places of invention.

It's also been shown that nonwhites, especially nigs, keep voting for gibs and Marxism, and don't want to pursue high-effort job careers; even when they live in a high-HDI Western country with many opportunities to make wealth.

tl;dr - there's a racial/cultural element that both the left, and the "libertarian right" don't want to acknowledge.

>I can support strong border security while still hating Trump.

Well Trump, and a few Republicans from Texas and Arizona are the only ones doing anything meaningful for border security.

That's a great idea! Or maybe we can all fly to Guyana and make a town there!

About the only real skill you gain with a liberal arts degree these days is learning how to poke holes in someone's arguments. Leftists have always been extremely good about criticizing. What makes them dangerous is that's all they know how to do is destroy. Everything they create is absolute dipshit, but they are amazing at convincing normies to take a hammer to all of their values and beliefs by pointing out the legitimate flaws of their thinking. What they leave behind is a bleak, empty nihilism.

>tl;dr - there's a racial/cultural element that both the left, and the "libertarian right" don't want to acknowledge.

Because the racial and cultural element makes little to no sense in some cases. If it were truly correct then the Asians and the Jews would far surpass us because their IQ average is higher then ours because their culture advocates for working ridiculously hard and to promote working with and for and literally promoting each other before that of a non Asian or a Goyim.

I also find the whole, "Whites" thing funny because if it weren't for the Greeks and the Italians we wouldn't have half the shit that we have today. Historically they set the precedents that our nations have built off of and people time and time again on here don't call them white. I am pro European but not pro-white. (I do think though that it is important that "white" people have the right to exist and for their cultures to exist though but I don't believe that the way white nationalists or ethno nationalists are currently going about it will change things in a long term manner)

>It's also been shown that nonwhites, especially nigs, keep voting for gibs and Marxism, and don't want to pursue high-effort job careers; even when they live in a high-HDI Western country with many opportunities to make wealth

That kind of goes along with my rant as to how non European countries didn't develop the ideas of individualism or even adopt them as core beliefs. They believe in community/collectivism more than anything. Not all of them of course but it is a core belief held in their communities.

tl;dr You're right and wrong, it's very complex. European progress and success can easily be attributed to our core beliefs of the individual before the community and of our individual ambition to succeed.

I am an Archaeology student (Subsect of Anthro) so this is a subject I am really interested in but it really is very complex.

Economies are very complex behemoths. Some forms of globalization are good for business and the public and some forms are bad. Some regulation benefits society and the economy and some is insane bureaucratic red tape that strangles large and small businesses.

I agree it's fallacious to look at countries like Norway and assume we can just easily move to a system like that. If Bernie won, most of his policies likely would either fail spectacularly, or he would have to shift to much more moderate policies to be remotely effective.

But that said, you can't blame liberals for envying the quality of life in Scandinavian countries, even if the logistics of getting there is brushed over.

I try to combine liberal idealism with capitalistic pragmatism when I consider policy decisions, personally, and it's difficult for me to identify with any political party or movement.

Like everything else, it's nuanced. I can think border security is important while also not thinking it's *so* important that a multi-hundred-to-trillion-dollar wall is preferable to spending that huge amount of money on other things. Illegal immigration isn't something that should be tolerated, but I've seen no evidence that it's currently hurting our country to the degree that it needs such an insanely extravagant solution that probably won't provide much extra defense other than symbolism.

Much less money could be spent for the same gains by giving border patrol more funding and drones and sensors or whatever and then spending the remainder on things that are in more dire need of funding.

Make it Ernst Junger's National Bolshevism, and I'm game.

Exactly, which is why for me when I first heard Bernie I thought "Damn this guy knows what he's talking about." and then he got to talking about policies on how to go about fixing things and I laughed my ass off. I've struggled recently with Hoppe's criticism of democracy, it's true that it is essentially mob rule and that today we have a higher rate of politically and economically uneducated people of voting age, so to me they are a huge danger to the progress of individualism and liberty and at the same time I feel that attacking democracy as a tool that enables the will of the stupid is like attacking a core belief in western civilization. I think that Hoppe is right and wrong. Democracy isn't a problem when the government is limited but when it is a large and overreaching monster like most governments in the west today, then it is a dangerous tool.

No.

We need pan-humanism and the abolishment of the racial identity.

Start sending my stipend. I'll quit my job, stop paying taxes, and will gladly sing the praises of collectivism. Let's make everyone parasites like me and we can sit in meetings and convince each other that we are aren't applying communism correctly when it doesn't work.

>insanely extravagent
>multi-trillion

LMAO. The wall would cost literally less than 1% of the US budget. Meanwhile, the US government spends over 3 trillion each year on Medicare and Social Security.

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