I've noticed a growing amount of tradcon vs. MGTOW arguments on this board. I've noticed that most members of both groups can agree that modern dating and marriage are misandrist and seem to diverge entirely on what to do with that information. Tradcons think that modern trends are reversible and that you just have to model the change you wish to see in the world, while MGTOWs think that the force of progress and the social institutions that guide it are too strong to be fought.
Tradcons, what (if anything) would convince you that these trends aren't reversible? MGTOWs, what (if anything) would convince you that these trends are reversible?
Why should I feel real change can happen in a democracy where women can vote? They'll just vote for more wealth transfers from men to women until the entire system crumbles, blame everything on men and then demand we fix it.
Luis Green
By your logic, men can just vote for fewer wealth transfers. Also, men are more likely to vote than women.
Nicholas Williams
>tradcon vs. MGTOW no you're actually just seeing roasties shilling themselves mostly. there's naturally some retard nu-male virgins larping as tradcons, but the supposed "tradcons" are mostly just roasties who plan on becoming born again virgins after taking 100 cocks when they hit their midlife crisis at 35. they need a dumb fuck to actually believe in "church girls".
mgtow is basically the dominant and entirely invincible philosophy. there's just some delusional idiots who refuse to accept reality. if you want accelerationism, race war, or actual change then you need lots of men who aren't tied down with marriage, children, and other responsibility. men with nothing to lose and lots to gain is what revolutionaries NEED and WANT. if there's 10 posts talking about making babies then 8 of them are actual women shilling cause they believe their vagina is magic and how to save the world. the last thing married men with children want to the economy collapsing and a race war when they've got a 1 year old to feed.
here's the thing, even basic logic will tell you that actually closing your front door so your neighbors can't come into your house is a better strategy than having babies as foreigners invade your house. kick them out and close the door. there's no baby or people shortage. it's just roasties who want everything to revolve around their womb.
Ryder Ross
this is backwards. more women vote and women live longer than men so there's more of them voting as well. women shouldn't have the right to vote at all. they didn't build society and are a fifth column trying to subvert it. patriarchy has another name and it's human civilization. there's no such thing as a female civilization because they're incapable of doing it
Thomas Myers
If the divorce rate was actually at 99% like MGTOWS imply.
Jace Roberts
Yeah, that's a big problem I have with MGTOWs. They're basically just inverted SJWs; they never stop with the narratives.
Jack Ramirez
I suspect a lot of it is feminist shills LARPing as tradcucks. Notice their excessive use of feminist buzzwords ("loser," "neckbeard," "virgin," etc.) when talking about MGTOW.
Angel Rodriguez
I figured feminism had finally come full circle and was now traditionalism.
Cooper Watson
Yeah. Of course there is a risk when marrying that you will divorce (rate here is 43%) but there's also a good chance you wont. Then of those divorces what is the actual percent that truly fucks men over in the way mgtows imply? They don't want to take that risk because they're scared of failure, whatever they can do what they want, but I wish they'd stop pushing their narrative and skewed bullshit on others in the same way I wish fags would stop pushing their fag agenda, feminists stop pushing their misandrist agenda ect.
Evan Allen
Wow, that's low. The divorce rate here is 50%, but the high divorce rate among second and third marriages is a lot of what's driving it up.
Liam Richardson
Simple women should be viewed as property get over it.
Adrian Morales
Women voters outnumber men voters. Men die off earlier, and old women won't vote to get rid of their gibsmedats.
Charles Price
As a trad, I think men particularly in the West should protect themselves in this social environment as though their lives depended on it, because in all too many ways they do. Until women lose the right to vote and quit their jobs to become homemakers I stand by this belief. I would need to have sustained first-hand experience with both partners before I would begin to recommend marriage to such. Be careful!
Hudson Sanders
The solution here is obvious: Move to South America for a year to find a wife.
Argentina is 99% white.
Source: guy with that exact plan, has already traveled SA extensively
Thomas Butler
>Argentina is 99% white. Sure thing Jamal, now show your real flag please.
Julian Williams
Why do both sides think marriage is either not about economics or a net drain on personal resources?
We are the most underpaid generation since the days of the robber barons. Two income households are the only reliable way for us to afford houses and homeownership is the single best determinant of long term financial stability.
Brayden Lewis
The actual divorce rate for anyone that has ever married across all ages and demographics is about 45%. The divorce rate for a college educated person that married over the age of 25 and both parents are still together is like 23%
Camden Parker
I hope every man advocating marriage and being a wagecuck get dragged ass first through the court system. You fucks are the problem. You enable women to do this shit. I hope your wives fuck Tyrone in your bed you conceived your children in, divorces you, gets half or more of your money and assets for life, custody of your kids with mandatory child support at rates when you were making the most money in your life, and then you inevitably kill yourself. The suicide statistics aren't high enough.
Jose Russell
>full circle and was now traditionalism all this means is they got all the legal advantages and the ability to force men on their whims through the courts and instead of being strong womyn they now want to become the princess. they plan on keeping all the perks from feminism and the ability to destroy men though. so it's not traditionalism at all. it's just them finding a new way to lie and manipulate men who refuse to date/marry strong womyn. they're simply snakes changing their skin
it's asia. the high iq place where they've had actual civilization outside of colonization.
Isaac Long
Daily reminder: if you are concerned about the survival of the white race and want me to contribute just let me fuck your wife. You guys are such great dads. You'd be better than me so you can raise my offspring as your own. Problem solved.
Carson Ramirez
The modern white Western female is too far gone (pic related) I for one welcome the foreign hordes. Not the refugees but the immigrants who actually bring their families. Second gen Muslim immigrants are never devout but still retain their sense of traditionalism. All of the Asians, Muslims, Latinas, Indians, etc -- they all prefer white men and are almost all traditional.
Faggots on Sup Forums who spew their 14/88 nonsense are fucking retarded. Historically, invading forces rape all the women, even in the animal kingdom. Why? Because the goal is to BREED OUT their inferior genes with your own superior genes.
Surely we have to put a stop to the millions of male refugees who are clearly designed as an invading force to rape OUR women -- but the standard model of selective immigration is a great benefit to us.
Julian Butler
Marrying a college educated woman over the age of 25, KEK! How many cocks do you think she's had by then? Those guys are betas that wifed up a post wall roastie, and the only reason they aren't getting divorced is because the guys are too desperate and feel like they'd never find someone else, while the woman likes the high income her college educated husband provides.
These are also the couples where the woman suddenly gets the idea to open the relationship once her 40's are getting closer, and she uses the latest feminist talking points to convince her beta husband that the only way they can have true equality is if she can fuck Chads on the side.
Ayden Butler
>Tradcons, what (if anything) would convince you that these trends aren't reversible?
There would have to be no good, single women left in the world. Might be rare past a certain age but it's not impossible. MGTOW is a sad ideology in my opinion, I can't imagine just wanting be alone for my entire life.
Lucas Cruz
White women have essentially taken themselves out of the gene pool. They have fought hard for decades for the right to become non-committal sluts and they have gotten their wish. Used but never retained.
They are slowly starting to understand the error of their ways and I would guess that within one generation -- maybe two -- we will see a dramatic revival of traditional family values among white women.
Kevin Torres
Until then, get to work cucking the foreign men and breeding the savagery out of their women.
Benjamin Collins
>MGTOW is going to further the human race >posts MGTOW faggots on the couch playing vidyas
I'd say that covers MGTOW pretty well. Self-satisfied degenerates who think they are doing the world a favor by playing video games and MGTOWing on the internet all day.
seriously just remove yourself from the gene pool and kill yourself already.
Matthew Watson
>we will see a dramatic revival of traditional family values among white women. Yeah I'm sure we'll see that and not just women doing exactly the same thing they're doing now but with the bonus of fake political values.
Caleb Sanchez
MGTOW "men" harbor a lot of resentment and you can see it seeping out of every post they leave. Clearly they're unhappy with their lives. Who centers their entire life around the notion that they don't need something? Do we see non-golfers going their own way, eschewing any expectations that they may golf at some point in the future? Do we see non-pet owners decry the unjust nightmare of having a pet that one must feed and take care of and ultimately be responsible for? It sounds ludicrous but somehow it's happened with such a natural and universal thing as pair-bonding between human males and human females. "Sour grapes" comes to mind.
If I had to draw a major distinction between MGTOW and trad-dads it's that trad-dads and trad-couples see a broken world and make an honest attempt to fix it, which is the opposite of what MGTOW do. MGTOW just give up and try to make everyone else miserable as well under the guise that they're truly enlightened and just see through traditionalism.
The important thing to note is that MGTOW hate traditionalism and Western values. They see them as pussy-worship. Anything that benefits women over men is seen as evil and anything that is detrimental to women is seen as just and moral. It's an extremely sadistic and self-centered philosophy rooted in hatred and inhumanity. Is it any wonder when MGTOW men lack masculinity when they eschew responsibility for the weaker sex and refuse to provide for them? They don't know how to be men and put women in check, they don't know how to care and love them, they don't know how to raise children or instill proper values in them because they're children themselves. Instead of starting families, they play video games and jerk off.
MGTOW is only viable as an option in modern society. At any point in the past, you could only get your dopamine fix by actually going up to women and talking to them or actually doing something with your life. Internet porn and video games have rid us of that necessity.
Not if you actually talk to girls once in awhile. don't tell me you just pay attention to all the meme bullshit and fake facebook accounts made by MGTOWs to push their narrative.
Jeremiah Clark
Tradcucks are literally feminists. Traditional Europe is the ultimate form of female supramcy. Think about it, women never had any duties or responsibilies but all the privileges. Women's lives were valued over mens on the titantic. Look at this beta cuck European bowing down before a fucking WOMEN, he would have voted for Clinton.
Christian Walker
Also Asia.
Not a fan of the slantwise pussy personally but no problem with the positive cultural facets that are found in many East Asian cultures.
Fuck PajeetLand, though.
Jordan Perry
Not only this, but women display a very strong in-group preference and will almost always vote for policies and politicians that give free shit and more power to women, no matter what.
Men are happy to throw other men under the bus. (See tradcons trying to shame MGTOW)
Nathaniel Ramirez
>Self-satisfied degenerates who think they are doing the world a favor by playing video games and MGTOWing on the internet all day.
>seriously just remove yourself from the gene pool and kill yourself already.
Are you being ironic or retarded?
Charles Harris
See? Funny how it's the diametric opposite of feminism: "WOMEN WERE ALWAYS THE SLAVES OF MEN!"
Juan Roberts
That is because people saw women like children because that is what they are
Aiden Rodriguez
People who have kids and families are selfish freaks
Exactly my man, welcome to truth.
Landon Gonzalez
Tradcucks aren't trying to fix shit. Your taxes will continue to support single mothers. After all the bullshit you guys have been promising for decades you have done nothing to reverse the degeneracy in our society. It's only getting worse.
MGTOWs at least realize there is no way to fix the current system from within. So long as women can vote they will never vote to take away their own benefits. It has to be taken away from them by force, and that can only happen after a collapse. Our goal should be to accelerate that collapse, not continue to prop up a broken system.
Benjamin Collins
It's almost like a rag-tag group of disenfranchised Westerners can't fight big multi-national corporations and lobbying groups by themselves. You're a fucking teenager. Go get laid.
Luis Clark
>date woman >decide it's not worth the trouble
>play golf >decide it's not worth the trouble
Jackson Rodriguez
Women didn't have "all the privileges" you fucking moron. They didn't work, which meant they didn't have an equal same in family matters. I can't tell if you're a paid shill, or you are so hateful towards women because they don't want a 23 year old greasy, 285 pound man-child who lives with his mom and works at Arby's and masturbates to cartoons every night while spending his money of Pop figures and Asian cam-girls.
Jordan Walker
bump
Andrew Johnson
The problem with "reversing" MGTOW is women. For all the talk about feminism being a jewish trick and whatnot, what feminist has done is merely unmask what was always there when it comes to women's nature. It hasn't changed them, they're all feminists and always have been. You can talk about restoring headship for men and traditional boundaries for women, but it's hard to "unsee" what women truly are. I can't blame men who don't want to associate with them after seeing their true nature. Quite frankly, far too often the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
Colton Taylor
You forgot
>Make a username like "NonGolferGoingHisOwnWayGOLFINGSUCKS69" >Make a bunch of posts on YouTube whining about people who golf and golf itself >Dedicate an inordinate amount of time to bitching about how bad golfing is
Adrian Jones
This.
People today simply can't imagine how much men in the past just totally ignored what women wanted or their "opinions."
People treated women like precocious 10 year olds or something. They treated them with kindly condescension because this was the best policy to have towards them.
There was little hatred towards women like you have today with mgtows and redpill dudes because women couldn't really ruin your life quite the way they can now. Sure they cheated on guys. Sure they nagged men like hell. But they were not full people and so they were considered incapable of making sound judgments about their own future let alone society or the country as a whole.
Men adored them then as now, but loving women =! treating them as equals.
Eli Cooper
ask yourself if MGTOW is being pushed to minorities and brown people or is its audience primarily young white males??? you should always protect yourself legally but in the end MGTOW is (((cancer))) pic related
Eli Garcia
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Blake Green
>they're all feminists and always have been. No thye are just followers The problem is men refuse to lead and just let (((them))) do it instead
Dylan Parker
your brain can't comprehend long term planning. if men can decide to go fight and die in wars then they can easily enjoy themselves in comfort for accelerationism to accomplish their goals.
this is why you roasties are just so fucking worthless. i'll spell it out for the retard roasties reading this. since men can die for what they believe in then men will revolt against a stupid whore like yourself parading around us and dancing like you're the emperor. you know all those wars and the hundreds of millions of men who died in them? that means men won't always bow their head cause pieces of shit like you are pressing it. there's no battlefield where guns are blazing so instead they're just kicking back while everything you value collapses and after it's gone they'll come back and rebuild.
women are worthless and any shit society where you garbage are placed on a pedestal of worship should burn. you aren't entitled to anything. you're to be subjugated instead. women and children first? women are going to get tossed overboard head first for the fun of it.
Carson Parker
>they didn't work Meaning they didn't have to labour under the sun and instead enjoyed the fruits of not working, you fucking moron. Here's the thing bro. Sex is a fundamental human right and need according to the Maslows pyramids of needs, and the fact that women are depriving me of that by only dating Chad and Tyrone is a violation of my rights.
Ayden Cooper
Listen you uninformed moron, MGTOW doesn't mean celibacy, it means do not commit long term to a woman under the current gynocentric legal system. Marrying a woman, paying taxes, and being a good little worker bee goyim in todays environment will not change anything. Most of the guys who could be classified as MGTOW today aren't even aware that is what they are, it's just an inevitable reaction to a biased system. We are making an impact as can be seen by the news articles bemoaning a lack of marriageable men, or asking why guys won;y man up and marry used up sluts. If we were just a rag-tag group of disenfranchised westerner teenage incels, then why does out existence frighten the powers that be so much?
Hunter Reed
>implying what women say has any bearing on what they do
Evan Clark
MGTOW is not a real movement. It is a group of /r9k/ tier men who feel completely powerless in our society. By going "MGTOW" they feel like they have some power over women by claiming to reject them. They are so sexually frustrated they have given up on women
you're talking with a roastie whore shilling for her sisterhood.
that's where you're wrong bitch. you see men can just opt out of society and never marry you whores and not do partake in traditional society so all of that shit you love collapses. if men aren't marrying you and aren't paying tax for your tyrone baby then how the fuck are you going to get what you want? you won't. that's why you're a roastie in a mgtow thread crying about mgtow so much cause even if you're a stupid fucking child without the least bit of brains on an animal level you comprehend the danger. you know mgtow is gonna destroy your princess fantasy so you're screaming and shouting. too bad all the "men" who care what a roastie says are nu-male liberals on reddit or have killed themselves.
mgotw is invincible on Sup Forums. no matter the amount of whores who come here and shill against it men will keep following its philosophy
Henry Mitchell
>all these triggered tradcucks trying to shame MGTOW >"JUST GO YOUR OWN WAY AND STOP TALKING ABOUT IT GOD DAMMIT"
The reason why we keep talking about it is to expose more men to it, which creates more MGTOWs. The trend will not reverse, it will only grow.
Jaxon Mitchell
You're an idiot. I'm MGTOW and celibrate.
Nathaniel Evans
>When this is definitely a troll but I'm bored as shit
Women didn't work, and instead they stayed home, cared for children, kept the house clean, and read a book or two. They were submissive, as in they looked up to their husbands. The fact that MGTOW don't strive for that, which is something I'd think they'd want, makes no sense.
Oliver Walker
Does black or brown people's culture pushed by (((them))) glorify marriage and family values, or does it glorify degenerate hedonism? Their rates of single motherhood shows you the answer that question.
Nolan Murphy
What convinces me as a mgtow that these trends are irreversible?
Nobody has come back from a fertility rate of 1.3 or lower...really, the only logical way to reverse it is to take away women's rights, putting them back into the role of building a family.
The west will fall without western people, just remember that women's rights is a sham
Jaxson Bennett
All the hurricanes. Oops
Blake Reyes
Hispanics have 10x more family values than middle/lower class whites
Juan Jenkins
> No thye are just followers
Much lower level. They're self-absorbed solipsistic entities ruled by fleeting emotion (which, in their case, is mostly hormones). Anything above that (such as them being more often just followers) flows directly from their base nature. That's when you understand that they'll never love you (they simply can't), they can never be trusted, and their beauty is so fleeting that the average modern man barely has a whiff of it before it goes away forever (since they slut it up and marry in their 30s these days). Can you still lead them, have a family, and raise the next generation? Sure. Can't blame those who say "fuck that" tho.
Jacob Martinez
>mgtow virgins hate women and chad
>chad slayers love women and hangout with other chads
hmm.....wonder which group is pudgy, unkept, and suffering from their own introversion?
Jackson Wood
bump
Ian Lopez
That's your choice. But nowhere in the MGTOW philosophy does it say you must be celibate to be MGTOW. It just means abstaining from long term relationships with women under the current system. You can even move to a foreign country that isn't gynocentric and marry a traditional woman and still be MGTOW.
Juan Mitchell
The powers that be honestly believe in feminism and all this other degenerate shit. They're not trying to suppress our little movements, they're just providing counter-points. Their intolerance towards our ideas as seen in mass-censorship is just their thin-skin shining through.
Aside from that and your general childish and combative tone, gynocentrism is to a large degree inborn. If we're intent on stomping it out we need to stomp out part of our very nature and our history. It is man's innate instincts to protect and provide for women. MGTOWs make a lot of fuss about what they see as pussy worship but what they don't know (because feminism never teaches any of this) is that the English book of common prayer recorded traditional wedding vows thusly: The woman, "I, _____, take thee, _____, to be my wedded Husband, to have and to hold from this day forward, for better for worse, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love, cherish, and to OBEY, till death do us part, according to God's holy ordinance, and thereto I give thee my troth."
The man, upon placing the wing on his bride's finger. Pay attention! "With this Ring I thee wed, with my body I thee WORSHIP, and with all my worldly goods I thee endow: in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen." MGTOW men are not for returning to a traditional world where men are responsible for women and even adore them to the point of worship, they simply want to return to a world where they are obeyed and they can sleep around and beat women! They want to be obeyed AND worshiped simply for having a cock!
Hudson Diaz
when did niggers ever marry or raise their children moron? tell us about how niggers are on their getting married. as for what spics do who the fuck cares. mgtow isn't about race
what reddit boards do you visit? you're some dyke from reddit for sure. a good article and you link philly talking about bourgeois culture? you couldn't get anymore reddit if you tried roastie
Brody Allen
The blackpill on this though is that being in a relationship with a woman who doesn't like you fucking sucks, betas just put up with marrying the local beached whale in the past because society strongarmed them into doing it.
Basically monogamy is essential to society but soul-crushing to both men and women. For men it always always always sucks not to be Chad in any era for different reasons. Civilization and monogamy can paper over some of these but biological reality is cruel and unforgiving. It always has been.
Jacob Nguyen
Middle class whites have low divorce rates
Joseph Ramirez
>what reddit boards do you visit? you're some dyke from reddit for sure. a good article and you link philly talking about bourgeois culture? you couldn't get anymore reddit if you tried roastie Back to your containment board
Joshua Hughes
Spamming out children doesn't make you have "more family values'. Please elaborate.
Luis Baker
Then why is the rate of single motherhood by hispanics higher than that of whites or Asians in the US?
Aiden Harris
no they don't. that's just a liberal meme dumbfuck. mexico is the 2nd most dangerous country in the world. nobody who has family values has homicide rates above all other war zones except the syria.
why don't you tell us about how women are our equal too
Caleb Morgan
Because MGTOW supports traditional marriage. MGTOW is anti-sex/degeneracy not anti-family
MGTOW IS JUST ANOTHER WHITE GENOCIDE SHILL METHODOLOGY...
>HEY WHITE MEN, STOP BREEDING ...
OBVIOUS GENOCIDE IS OBVIOUS
Aaron Lopez
Yes they do. You see few hispanic women running around screaming for feminism. If you tell a hispanic women you want her to be a housewife, she will say ok.
Josiah Young
i tried telling them , but /pol is too jaded
Ian Collins
>chad slayers love women t. Someone who has never hung out around Chads
Actual Chads are more blackpilled than you think.
Lucas Ramirez
They have a lower divorce rate. "Family values" is subjective I admit, but if you want anecdotal evidence I will give it.
Jackson Hughes
Yeah, the man should be 25, and the woman should be 22 or 21.
Christian Clark
your graph shows whites and asians lower than spics. spics don't even get past grade school education in their own countries and are the homicide capital of the world. you're a fucking retard spic roastie it seems since you're shilling so hard for your subhuman race. you animals don't have values let alone family values
Jayden Hall
post your voice on vocaroo. i want to hear how high-pitched and shrill it is when you scream like a little faggot
Sebastian Taylor
Proud virgin
No they aren't. Chads love the future.
Ryan Parker
they aren't screaming for feminism cause they're animals who are getting killed like dogs and don't even have clean drinking water or plumbing. when you're living societies equal to africa then you don't worry about feminism retard.
spics aren't more family oriented than whites.
Jaxon Howard
The marriage rates are also dropping fast. So of course divorce rates are declining, since the only people getting married these days are a successful people who already have lower divorce rates. But even then, divorce is still around the 40 percent range. If we had higher marriage rates, divorce would be above 50 percent.
Feminists and tradcucks love using this fact as proof that things are getting better, yet they ignore the fact marriage rates are at their lowest point in modern history which is skewing the divorce rates.
Jose Brown
People call it shallowness, modern degeneracy blah blah blah but the reality is that women are INCREDIBLY sensitive not only to the differences in attractiveness between two men, but in increases and decreases in the level of attractiveness within the same man. Hormones and shit are deeply involved.
Exercise every day, sleep well, eat nutritious food and in six months you will get oodles of female attraction because of your improved health looks and confidence.
Lose your job? Get a drinking problem? Slack off at the gym? Get a few years older? Women will start to hate you practically overnight because not only do you look like a loser, you act like one too.
The essential insolvable problem is that attraction is 100% instinct. Men want relationships to be orderly, negotiated affairs, but they can't be. Sure you can make a society with rules where women have to obey society and to an extent you can make it work... well enough.
But that won't fix dead bedrooms, it won't stop women cheating, and it won't make people happy. Happiness is a Chadian privilege and always has been. Beta dudes will always get fucked over one way or another. Get sent to wars. Get cheated on. Have to marry an ugly fattie. Get nagged. Shit sucks but that's humanity
Jose Sanchez
What does magic cards have any thing to do with this
Wyatt Howard
i'm sure you want to slick at all the verbal abuse i'm throwing at you, but i'm not interested in helping a roastie get off. fuck off to /soc/ for your attention
Carter Scott
>women do the party life thing >realise it is empty and meaningless by the time they are 30 >they are lonely and miserable and their biological clock is screaming at them to have a baby >men want nothing to do with them >all the men instead go for latinas, asians, etc >white women wonder why >oh shit its because they are actually traditional >change their ways
Cameron Stewart
>Because MGTOW supports traditional marriage. MGTOW is anti-sex/degeneracy not anti-family. Then why do mgtows constantly go on about "mgtow doesnt mean no sex, you can still fuck as many women as you want we just don't marry them or give them kids which they can use to destroy you."
Josiah Bell
Just look at those trend lines. Once they start leveling off they never turn sharply downward again. Women born in 1990 are going to finish off somewhere around a 70-75% unmarried rate.
Matthew Hall
MGTOW is the symptom of this degenerative society- it's a great decision for oneself given the current climate, but it does nothing to actually solve the problem.
Tradcons seek to go against the tide and the odds to revive relationships the way they once were, and those who are successful will go on to raise children (if they're truly tradcon, they'll have lots of kids) and raise them properly. They are doing more than the MGTOW could ever imagine to fix society.
Neither alone can solve society. I agree with the MGTOWs insofar as that there will be no fix until western society receives a complete reboot. That said, if we were to all go MGTOW, and not have children, then who would be around upon the reboot to ensure the right men will be there to rectify the problems that face us now? Only through the work of Tradcons (specifically, having children and raising them to follow the Tradcon lifestyle) will we be able to actually rebuild society properly.
Easton Harris
They don't. I'm MGTOW and a 25 year old kissless virgin and don't plan on changing that
Jonathan Perry
>Chads love the future They might love the future but they sure as fuck don't love women. Hell, Chads are one of the few groups of people that see how shit women are on a daily basis the only difference for them is that they take advantage of it. I've heard Chads say shit about women that could come off of /r9k/ , the only difference is that they aren't losers.
Ayden Lee
what verbal abuse? sorry i didnt read any of it
Logan Wilson
MGTOW wanna pretend they arent just permavirgins
Thomas Ward
>change their ways No they'll just pretend to be trad/born again virgins because they realize that's what men want.
Carson Adams
The only thing that would convince me otherwise would be my wife fucking me over
